From: jfdewet@intekom.co.za[SMTP:jfdewet@intekom.co.za] on behalf of owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Monday, November 02, 1998 10:37 AM To: 'krnet-l@teleport.com' Subject: RE: KR: What kind of proppellor? krnet-l-digest Tuesday, November 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 172 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:23:23 EST From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance I now have a 900 dollar door stop !!!! srmakish@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:32:51 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance Thanks Steve, that was the info that i wanted. I pretty much understand the situation now. I'll verify my suspecions when I tear my engine down and do some measuring. WD At 06:22 PM 10/31/98 EST, you wrote: >It was a scat forged (900 dollar) crank. It had Gilbert Duty's hub on it. Yes >they all broke at the same place. Diagonally, across the rod journal. I can't >recall what number cylinder it was, I have been working on subaru's too long. >It was on the front right. The only thing that kept the engine together was >the rod end. Very exiting at 3000 ft and 25 miles from the airport. But my >guardian angel was with me (that time) and it held together all the way to >shut down. Everyone that saw that engine said it should have grenaded. The >other cranks I noticed oil from the front seal while on the ground. The cranks >had cracked and were sort of orbiting around the front seal. I never ran my >engine hard. Cruise rpm was 3000- 3200. Max was 3500. I did make a lot of long >cross country flights of 10 hour or more at a time. If I can answer any more >of your questions, please let me know. >srmakish@aol.com > Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:31:43 EST From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance You are absolutely correct Mike. I know Dan Diehl broke one on his old blue. We both had 2600 cc t-4 basically set up the same way. If I remember dan,s also broke around the 200 hour mark. You would have to check with Steve at GP to confirm that. We all discussed various mods to the engine. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:33:58 EST From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance It depends which dealer you bought them from. I got 3 of them from street and sand toys here in ft licourdale. These guys are good friends of mine and give us great prices. srmakish@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:38:11 EST From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance I do not know if the last one broke. I sold the engine to another kr builder here locally and have not heard from him. The stroke crank (78mm scat) broke right in two pieces in flight. The hub was gilbert duty's conversion. I think Steve's Force 1 hub will do the job, I just wanted to try another type of engine and am glad I did. srmakish@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:41:26 EST From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance I was using a warnke prop ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:55:17 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: Gear Stance Thanks, that's the kind of info I was interested in. WD At 05:25 PM 10/31/98 -0600, you wrote: >Wayne wrote; >>As long as we are discussing Diel gear, I have a few questions. >> >>I'm looking at the Diel website and it says that the gear is madw out of >>3M Scotchply. Does anyone know what Scotchply is? >> >>Also, what is the physical dimensions of the legs, Hight, wigth, >thickness?? >> >>Thanks for any info. >> >>WD > >Here is the low down - >Sctochply 1002 is a non-woven fiberglass reinforced epoxy resin material >that is available in uncured pre-preg sheets or in preformed, post cured >panels. Fiber orientation availability is in unidirectional, or "Spring >orientation" (85% at 0 degrees and 15% at 90 degrees.) Panels are available >in 4x2', 4x4' or 4x8' with the thickness ranging from 1/8 - 1". > >The Diehl gear legs are not rectangular, but the overall dimensions are 24" >x 4" x 3/4". > >By asking these questions I take it that you are interested in building your >own legs. Well, here is some more info that you need before getting too far >into it. > >3M will only sell the stuff in the panels mentioned above. Since they only >make the panels every blue moon or so - you have to wait about 6 weeks, once >your order is placed. The problem is that to buy panels that big, without a >resellers account with 3M, it will cost you almost twice as much as just >buying the legs from Dan. (If I remember right, the 4x4' sheet is in the >$1200 neighborhood.) Getting a resellers account is easier said then done. > >If you figure out how to get the stuff cheaper - let me know. > >Dean > Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:56:49 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance At 06:23 PM 10/31/98 EST, you wrote: >I now have a 900 dollar door stop !!!! >srmakish@aol.com Ouch! Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:55:36 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: Anybody know how many wires would go to a tail mounted beacon 2 or 3 ? I'm going to put some wire in tomorrow. Rich ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:23:29 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Re: 133RM Yes, I believe Ron Lee's plane N133RM (built by Roy Marsh) does have a KR-2S canopy. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 02:36:48 PST "Richard Parker" writes: >Does Roy Marsh's plane N133RM have the 2S canopy on it? > > >Richard E. Parker >Jaffrey, NH >theparkers@monad.net >richontheroad@hotmail.com >http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:28:00 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Re: KR High Performance I discussed this with Clark Lydick of Performance Propellors when I ordered my prop. In his words, unless you are pulling more than 150 HP, three blades will be of little benefit to you other than looking cool. I suspect that may not be true of some of the props with very small blades like the warp drive props, but I didn't ask and I'm not an expert. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:40:17 EST AeroManx@aol.com writes: >Has anyone ever used a 3 or 4 blade prop on a KR? Any Ideas on how >that would >affect the performance either positively or negatively for this plane? > >Steve Majercik > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:20:39 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Re: beacon If it's a strobe type beacon, it should be three wires plus shielding from the power supply. If it is a rotating beacon or electric flashing lamp beacon, I would think two wires should cover it. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:55:36 PST "Richard Parker" writes: >Anybody know how many wires would go to a tail mounted beacon 2 or 3 ? > > >I'm going to put some wire in tomorrow. > >Rich > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:04:28 EST From: ECLarsen81@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Sonerai gear In a message dated 98-10-31 07:23:43 EST, you write: << Anyone know what the leg height is on the Sonerai II gear is? I'm assuming that its the same height as the Sonerai I gear just wider. >> 17.5 from fuse to axle. Ed Larsen ECLarsen81@aol.com Ypsi, MI ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 16:28:04 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: KR: Chuckle of the day Overheard two homebuilders talking: That T-88 sure goes a long way. I just completed my "boat" and I'm not even finished with the first bottle. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 17:47:00 -0600 From: N4DD Subject: Re: KR: Sonerai gear ECLarsen81@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-10-31 07:23:43 EST, you write: > > << Anyone know what the leg height is on the Sonerai II gear is? I'm > assuming that its the same height as the Sonerai I gear just wider. > >> > > 17.5 from fuse to axle. > > Ed Larsen > ECLarsen81@aol.com > Ypsi, MI If you are thinking of using the Sonerai gear on a KR-2 or -2S. I would recomend the 5/8" gear as the 1/2" gear gets wider with each landing on anything but the lightest airplanes. Been there done that. Jean N4DD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 18:29:07 -0800 From: "Ronald R. Eason Sr." Subject: KR: HEADS-UP DISPLAY ( H.U.D.) AND FUEL MANAGEMENT BOARD. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BE05C5.83052040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TO SEE THE H.U.D. I AM PLACING IN MY KR2 CHECK OUT jrl-engineering.com. IT WILL BE OFFERED FOR SALE AS SOON AS I COMPLETE QUANITY DISCOUNTS WITH GM DELCO. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED E-MAIL ME AT JRL. RON EASON - ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BE05C5.83052040 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Eason Sr.;Ronald;R. FN:Ronald R. Eason Sr. ORG:J.R.L. 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IF YOU ARE INTERESTED E-MAIL ME AT JRL. > >RON EASON > >Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\icw-internet connection wizard\eudora\attach\Ronald R. Eason Sr.3.vcf" > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 21:44:33 EST From: JKM001@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: HEADS-UP DISPLAY ( H.U.D.) AND FUEL MANAGEMENT BOARD. Seems to me that you guys are forgetting the real reason for building these planes in the first place. All this talk about HUD, and everything. Just build the airplane and enjoy flying it, these aren't F-16's. I don't want to sound like I have an attitude, i just like the basic instruments with a few bells and whistles. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 21:54:07 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: HEADS-UP DISPLAY ( H.U.D.) AND FUEL MANAGEMENT BOARD. At 09:44 PM 11/1/98 EST, you wrote: >Seems to me that you guys are forgetting the real reason for building these >planes in the first place. All this talk about HUD, and everything. Just build >the airplane and enjoy flying it, these aren't F-16's. I don't want to sound >like I have an attitude, i just like the basic instruments with a few bells >and whistles. One of the nice things about the KR planes, is that you can do it on the cheap, or you can go for broke, whatever turns your crank.. I personally, am going to try to do mine on the cheap. Although, after looking at the beautiful wings that Dan Diehl sells, I may just go for a set of those. Would likely save me months of time and work. WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 20:18:18 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: KR: Useless stuff in KRs (was HEADS-UP DISPLAY ( H.U.D.) AND FUEL MANAGEMENT BOARD) JKM001@aol.com wrote: <<>> > > Keith Your right on track Keith! I always get a kick out of prospective builders (Janette gives my number out for the local prospects) who ask me what I plan to do for avionics and instruments and I tell them "a King handheld and as few instruments as legal". There is always a long pause and then the question, "what if you accidentally fly into IMC conditions" Well guys I am here tell you don't ever "accidentally" fly into IMC conditions! If you got there you did everything that was required to get there (made stupid decisions). Trust me on this one! Keep it simple and forget about the stuff you will NEVER use. If you want an instrument that will keep you safe, build yourself a AOA gauge. There you go, incorporate a AOA into that HUD! :o) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 22:37:08 -0800 From: "Joa" Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance Was this a forged 4340 SCAT crank or one of their 10 series forged cranks (I believe they call these "Volkstroker II Pro- Street/Comp"? The 4340 cranks are about double the price of their Volkstrokers. Joa VP-2+ From: SRMAKISH@aol.com To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Saturday, October 31, 1998 3:32 PM Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance >You are absolutely correct Mike. I know Dan Diehl broke one on his old blue. >We both had 2600 cc t-4 basically set up the same way. If I remember dan,s >also broke around the 200 hour mark. You would have to check with Steve at GP >to confirm that. We all discussed various mods to the engine. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 02:13:48 -0800 From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Useless stuff in KRs (was HEADS-UP DISPLAY ( H.U.D.) AND FUEL MANAGEMENT BOARD) >Well guys I am here tell you don't ever "accidentally" fly >into IMC conditions! Actually, if you crash landed on a building that turned out to be the Bendix-King electronics assembly plant, you could then say you accidentally flew into instrument conditions. At least partially assembled ones. ;) Robert Covington ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 05:48:40 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Sonerai gear >If you are thinking of using the Sonerai gear on a KR-2 or -2S. I would >recomend the 5/8" gear as the 1/2" gear gets wider with each landing on >anything but the lightest airplanes. Been there done that. >Jean >N4DD How is that specified? is that the Sonerai 2 gear vs the Sonerai 1? Rich Parker ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:25:06 +0100 From: "Stefan den Boer" Subject: KR: What kind of proppellor? Hi folks, At this moment I am busy to buy an engine. The question I have is this. It is a limbach engine and it workes in cruise with 3000 / 3100 rpm .82 hp He wil also sell his proppelor, this one has a angle 0.90 meter when it turns arround one time. The KR-2 is 440 lbs lighter then the plane where it is coming from. Is it okee to buy this or shoud I buy an new prop whit more pitch. Thanks already Stef den Boer. Bad writhing dutch guy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 08:46:50 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: What kind of proppellor? Stefan den Boer wrote: > > The KR-2 is 440 lbs lighter then the plane where it is coming from. > Is it okee to buy this or shoud I buy an new prop whit more pitch. > Thanks already Stef den Boer. > > Bad writhing dutch guy Pitch has a lot to do with the speed of the aircraft. If the diameter of the prop is the same, and the aircraft from which it was removed has the same cruise speed you may be able to use the prop. I don't have my conversion utility handy but with the Limbach 82 hp engine you should be able to run 56 to 60 inch's of pitch. Maybe one of the guys with a type 4 VW on the list will share what pitch they are running and that will give you a good idea. Probably the thing you will want to keep a close eye on is your ability to turn the prop to at least 80% hp static. Personally I would buy a prop tailored to the KR (Sterba, Props Inc, Performance Props, etc.) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 08:51:44 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: KR: accidental IMC Robert Covington wrote: > > >Well guys I am here tell you don't ever "accidentally" fly > >into IMC conditions! > > Actually, if you crash landed on a building that turned out to be the > Bendix-King electronics assembly plant, you could then say you accidentally > flew into instrument conditions. At least partially assembled ones. ;) > > Robert Covington I thought about this for a while and considered the IMC Oregon like conditions outside the window. It occured to me that you could accidentally taxi into a fog bank at night, but that isn't flying. You could also easily fly into a cloud bank here in Oregon at night, which is, I believe, why the instrument rating is recommended for night flying. You could also easily fly into one of those granite clouds, if you get lost and are below MSL. One thing I noted from the Perry OK sectional was the following: 1) More airports/mile in the flat part of the US. 2) Fewer granite clouds. - -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 09:06:18 -0800 From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR: What kind of proppellor? Stefan den Boer wrote: > > Hi folks, > > At this moment I am busy to buy an engine. The question I have is this. > It is a limbach engine and it workes in cruise with 3000 / 3100 rpm .82 hp > He wil also sell his proppelor, this one has a angle 0.90 meter when it > turns arround one time. > The KR-2 is 440 lbs lighter then the plane where it is coming from. > Is it okee to buy this or shoud I buy an new prop whit more pitch. > Thanks already Stef den Boer. > > Bad writhing dutch guy Stefan, I don't know what .90 meters/revolution translates to in terms of pitch. I know that 1 meter = 100cm, 2.54cm = 1 in = 35" I'm not sure how propeller pitch is expressed. I was going to calculate the circumference of the propeller, but decided to leave it at this. The other piece of information I can yield is that a propeller runs about $300 US, and then of course you would have to pay shipping etc. -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:37:19 +0200 From: Kobus de Wet Subject: RE: KR: What kind of proppellor? That prop is a 35" pitch, which on a standard type IV is far below what is required. I am running a 52"/41" at the moment at sea level and that is under pitched as I only get 80 Knots at 2700 RPM Kobus de Wet Cape Town, South Africa GMT + 2.00 http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ - ---------- From: Ross Youngblood[SMTP:rossy@teleport.com] Sent: Monday, November 02, 1998 19:06 To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR: What kind of proppellor? Stefan den Boer wrote: > > Hi folks, > > At this moment I am busy to buy an engine. The question I have is this. > It is a limbach engine and it workes in cruise with 3000 / 3100 rpm .82 hp > He wil also sell his proppelor, this one has a angle 0.90 meter when it > turns arround one time. > The KR-2 is 440 lbs lighter then the plane where it is coming from. > Is it okee to buy this or shoud I buy an new prop whit more pitch. > Thanks already Stef den Boer. > > Bad writhing dutch guy Stefan, I don't know what .90 meters/revolution translates to in terms of pitch. I know that 1 meter = 100cm, 2.54cm = 1 in = 35" I'm not sure how propeller pitch is expressed. I was going to calculate the circumference of the propeller, but decided to leave it at this. The other piece of information I can yield is that a propeller runs about $300 US, and then of course you would have to pay shipping etc. -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 10:49:14 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: accidental IMC > You could also easily fly into a cloud bank here in Oregon at night, > which is, I believe, why the instrument rating is recommended for night > flying. >>> This is one area where I agree with the Canadians, all night flights should be IFR but hey people don't understand this rule until they have flown a true "night" flight. I will have lights on my KR but mainly to be used in the local area and or so I can sneak back in legally a few minutes after dark. :o) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 13:31:05 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: Sonerai gear The gear makes the airplane stand about 20" from the bottom of the gear. Steve Great Plains ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 13:51:33 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance oh contrar. the scat crank is the crank that we had trouble with breaking. the stock 71 or 66mm crank that we modify has not broken to date. steve gpasc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:01:08 +0000 From: Great Plains Aircraft Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance if a stock vw crank breaks at nose end, my own personal experience show that 1. over touqued, bad retaining washer or improper taper. I have not experienced a stock 69mm crank just breaking. steve gpasc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 11:49:32 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: accidental IMC >This is one area where I agree with the Canadians, all night flights >should be IFR but hey people don't understand this rule until they have >flown a true "night" flight. I will have lights on my KR but mainly to >be used in the local area and or so I can sneak back in legally a few >minutes after dark. :o) > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims If you've got the lights you dont have to sneak. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 15:14:00 EST From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: accidental IMC In a message dated 11/2/98 11:58:40 AM, you wrote: <> The rule of thumb we used to use in Ohio is if you were at 10,000 agl and lost your engine, you were within gliding distance of a runway. Lots-O-Runways up there. Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 13:03:18 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: accidental IMC Richard Parker wrote: > > If you've got the lights you dont have to sneak. > > Your right it was the wrong use of the word, I meant sneaking by the darkness not the FAA. The darkness can do things to you that the FAA can not. :o) Don't get me wrong here guys I LOVE to fly at night but when its REALLY dark and there is no horizon isn't that IFR? :o) Last time I looked out the windscreen of the BN2 on my way to King Salmon Alaska on a "VFR" night I was sure glad I had an autopilot. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 17:39:46 -0500 From: Allan Horne Subject: Re: KR: accidental IMC Night flights in Canada do not require IFR endorsment,to fly night VFR.All you need is a night rating. Micheal Mims wrote: > > You could also easily fly into a cloud bank here in Oregon at night, > > which is, I believe, why the instrument rating is recommended for night > > flying. >>> > > This is one area where I agree with the Canadians, all night flights > should be IFR but hey people don't understand this rule until they have > flown a true "night" flight. I will have lights on my KR but mainly to > be used in the local area and or so I can sneak back in legally a few > minutes after dark. :o) > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 949.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:50:30 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: RE: Mark Stephens High Performance At 01:51 PM 11/2/98 +0000, you wrote: >oh contrar. the scat crank is the crank that we had trouble with >breaking. the stock 71 or 66mm crank that we modify has not broken to >date. steve gpasc. Hi Steve, is this about the Type -4 engine? If so, what sort of mods are you doing to the stock crank?? Thanks for any info. WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:28:42 -0800 From: "Ronald R. Eason Sr." Subject: KR: Re: Useless stuff in KRs (was HEADS-UP DISPLAY ( H.U.D.) AND FUEL MANAGEMENT BOARD) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BE069F.61A01380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did you look at it? It is basic "Air Speed" indicator with alarms, just like your car. - -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Sunday, November 01, 1998 8:18 PM Subject: KR: Useless stuff in KRs (was HEADS-UP DISPLAY ( H.U.D.) AND FUEL MANAGEMENT BOARD) >JKM001@aol.com wrote: ><<<>> >> >> Keith > >Your right on track Keith! I always get a kick out of prospective >builders (Janette gives my number out for the local prospects) who ask >me what I plan to do for avionics and instruments and I tell them "a >King handheld and as few instruments as legal". There is always a long >pause and then the question, "what if you accidentally fly into IMC >conditions" Well guys I am here tell you don't ever "accidentally" fly >into IMC conditions! If you got there you did everything that was >required to get there (made stupid decisions). Trust me on this one! >Keep it simple and forget about the stuff you will NEVER use. If you >want an instrument that will keep you safe, build yourself a AOA gauge. >There you go, incorporate a AOA into that HUD! :o) > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BE069F.61A01380 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Eason Sr.;Ronald;R. FN:Ronald R. Eason Sr. ORG:J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd.;Engineering TITLE:C.E.O., President NOTE:Appartment Veranda House, 100 W. Lincoln ST., Tullahoma. TN. = 37388, House phone 931-455-7033, Fax 931-455-9335, Aptmt.#308, phone = 931-393-3165. 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Maybe the laws have changed or maybe they just didn't like the look on our faces? :o) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 22:02:43 EST From: JKM001@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: accidental IMC Night flights in the U.S. do not require an IFR rating either. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 19:33:14 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: accidental IMC JKM001@aol.com wrote: > > Night flights in the U.S. do not require an IFR rating either. Jesus Christ, I don't remember anyone saying they did! - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 07:08:28 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: 1999 Gathering I just got the contract back from Lake Barkley State Park for lodging. We now have the go-ahead to call and reserve your room for next years gathering. For those of you who don't know, the 1999 KR Gathering will be head at Lake Barkley State Park in far western KY. The dates for the gathering are Friday 9/24 and Saturday 9/25. This state park offers other activities other than us KR guys swapping lies at the airport. They have, on site, golf, tennis, boat rental, fishing, hiking trails, miniture (sp) golf, with a breakfast/dinner buffett bar in the lodge. Lodging will consist of rooms in the newly renovated lodge (we have 88 rooms reserved) for single $48.45 plus tax, double 56.95 plus tax and the cottages (8 no 7, I got a cabin :-)) for 1-6 adults for 127.50 plus tax. The lodge looks over the lake and the cottages are set back in the woods overlooking the lake. Now here is the kicker, and I'll keep reminding you. Unused accommodations will be released on July 25, 1999. Reservation requests received after this date will be filled if space is available. Trust me, Kentucky State Parks are nothing but nice and fill up regularly a year in advance, expecially the ones with airports on site. Get your reservations in early. Guys, I plan on this being a kickass gathering with something for everyone from interested builder to builder to flier so plan on being there, it'll be worth it !!! Phone number 1-800-325-1708 mention it is for the 1999 KR Gathering for your discount. See ya Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #172 *****************************