From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 6:59 PM To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #180 krnet-l-digest Wednesday, November 11 1998 Volume 02 : Number 180 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:21:36 -0500 From: mike cochran Subject: KR: engine case Can anyone tell me if you have sealed the engine case with silk string and aviation #2 sealer like Continental does on their cases. Mike Cochran ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:36:59 EST From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael C. Taglieri) Subject: KR: Re: first flights >>I am still teacing myself how to land the thing. I allready went >through one >>nose gear and prop. But it is still a fun plane to fly. I have no >problems >>with the takeoff and flying just getting it to slow down enough to >land >>decently. Don Clarke >> > > >Don, Slow it down on the downwind. I know it is hard to go that slow >but >just - Do It. > >Your Friend, > > Bobby Muse > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX It's a lot easier to do it on any plane if you practice first at 3000' AGL. I got a lot more confident flying a Cessna 152 at 60 kph on final after I discovered I could actually fly the thing at about 35 kph at altitude. Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:50:56 -0800 From: "Ronald R. Eason Sr." Subject: Re: KR: PIOs This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE0CFC.93E98840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree Bob, builders often get burned out, and life happens during the process. Dedication To The Goal without making time a factor of your completion. The project will wait on you to complete it. Ron - -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Muse To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 8:24 PM Subject: Re: KR: PIOs >At 11:34 PM 11/6/98 -0500, you wrote: >>The ratio of >>completed airplanes to plans sold is probably the lowest in the industry and >>I think there are some very well founded reasons for this. >> As for myself, I spent a lot of time speculating on what to build. I had >>criteria I had to address in the selection that included cost of >>constuction, ease of building, initial outlay to get started and speed bang >>for the buck as well as builder support and number of completed airplanes >>flying. >> I really wanted a Lancair but the initial outlay would force me to borrow >>money for the kit and borrow money to build. I would need a lot of help >>building it. The financial picture was what took it out of consideration. >> After looking at a lot different possibilies, the KR2S came into the >>picture. >> The key here and probably the underlying reason for the low completion rate >>is the reputation of the KR as a "twitchy" aircraft that the plans buyer has >>not been exposed to until he gets into the KR "loop" as we are here on the >>mail. I know that it wasn't until after I made the decision to build the >>thing, and bought plans, that I was exposed to the reputation. >> >>jeroffey@tir.com >> >> > > >You are paying too much attention to KR builders and not enought attention >to KR pilots! > >The real reason(in my opinion) that there is a low completion rate is >because of the same reason you decided to build a KR, the initial outlay to >get started, then followed by the lack of ability to complete their dream. > >It is hard to finish a project that takes years to compete. The KR is 1/2 >plans built and 1/2 dreams built. You have to be very creative and focused >to complete a project such as the KR. > >I have a lot of respect for anyone who has a goal and is working hard to >obtain that goal. > >It is easy to give up when you get confused or feel alone. This KRNet is >the best thing going for those reaching out for help to obtain their goal - >Building a Airplane - Building a KR. > > Bobby Muse > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > > > > - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE0CFC.93E98840 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Eason Sr.;Ronald;R. FN:Ronald R. Eason Sr. ORG:J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd.;Engineering TITLE:C.E.O., President NOTE:Appartment Veranda House, 100 W. Lincoln ST., Tullahoma. TN. = 37388, House phone 931-455-7033, Fax 931-455-9335, Aptmt.#308, phone = 931-393-3165. TEL;WORK;VOICE:816-468-4091 TEL;HOME;VOICE:816-468-4425 TEL;PAGER;VOICE:816-989-9692 TEL;WORK;FAX:816-468-5465 TEL;HOME;FAX:816-468-5465 ADR;WORK:;jrlkc@mindspring.com;7333 North = Brooklyn;Gladstone,;MO.;64118-2329;U.S.A. 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He really worked hard to help everyone in > any way possable. > > Does he still fly a KR? > > WD > > > At 11:26 AM 11/10/98 EST, you wrote: > >In a message dated 98-11-10 07:50:19 EST, Wayne wrote: > > > ><< I have all of the old news letters from issue # 1 through DEC. 1984, I > >think. > > > > If anyone is looking for a particular article, I will be happy to look it up. > > > > I am going to try to get permission to scan them in and post them on my > > website. >> > > > >Wayne: > > > >Ernie Koppe gave us permission to copy, post, etc., any KR Newsletter he > >published. He felt the information was too important to not have in public > >domain. The current newsletter publisher does not, as far as I know, share > >this position. It seems he prefers the "dollar domain" over the public domain > > > >I was one of the primary whiners that induced Ernie to come to KRKosh '97 and > >speak one evening. In my opinion, it was a magic moment. Dan, Steve and > >Jeanette also spoke on the history of the KR. Geeze, that BBQ after dinner > >talk was an incredible sunset presentation, one I suspect that will not be > >repeated. > > > >Randy Stein > >Soviet Monica, CA > >BSHADR@aol.com > > > Wayne DeLisle Sr. > Email:support@sestar.net > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:14:35 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: KR2S controls Juss, I'm putting them in the mail to you. Rich 5253 wrote: > My address: > > Johan Pender > Vana Viru 9 > Tallinn 10111 > Estonia > > At 21:58 09.11.98 -0600, you wrote: > >Juss: > > > >Sure, just send me your address. They are hard copy and I don't have the > >capability to scan them in. > > > >Richard McCall > >1518 Holly Lane > >Junction City, KS 66441 > > > >5253 wrote: > > > >> Hi! > >> > >> Could I get a set of the drawings too? > >> > >> Juss > >> from Estonia. > >> juss@teleport.ee > >> > >> At 13:17 08.11.98 -0600, you wrote: > >> >Allan, > >> > > >> >Give your address and I'll send you a drawing and a picutre of my dual > >> >control. > >> > > >> >Rich > >> > > >> >Allan Horne wrote: > >> > > >> >> Has anybody have a drawing and parts list for the dual control. > >> >> > >> >> Allan Horne > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Johan Pender > ------------------ > GSM 372 5 048 958 > GSM post 372 5 3048 958 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:19:15 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: KR2S controls No Mike. It is different than the old one. Rich McCall Mike Mims wrote: > If this is the same control system that is in the old newsletters I > could dig it out and scan it. This is the same system the RR adapted by > the way. > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now > mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Irvine Ca > Fax 949.856.9417 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:20:44 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: KR2S controls John: I'm putting it in the mail to you. Rich McCall John F. Esch wrote: > John F. Esch > 533 Clarmar Dr NE > Salem, OR 97301 > > rmccall wrote: > > > Sure John. What's your address to mail them to. Can't scan ... all I > > have > > is hard copies. > > > > Rich > > > > John F. Esch wrote: > > > > > could I get a set of the drawings too? > > > > > > John F. Esch > > > Salem, OR > > > > > > rmccall wrote: > > > > > > > Allan, > > > > > > > > Give your address and I'll send you a drawing and a picutre of my > > dual > > > > > > > > control. > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > Allan Horne wrote: > > > > > > > > > Has anybody have a drawing and parts list for the dual control. > > > > > > > > > > Allan Horne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:17:49 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: KR2S controls Hi Wayne: Will send you a set to scan. Maybe that will help everyone out. (By the way, I'm originally from Spartanburg, SC). Rich McCall Wayne DeLisle Sr. wrote: > I also have a new scanner, just installed it this weekend. I would be happy > to scan anything for anyone. > > Just mail it to: > > Wayne DeLisle Sr. > 7139 Cedarbrook Dr. > Charlotte, NC 28215 > > I can be reached via > Phone: 704-545-7401 > E-mail: support@sestar.net > > At 11:19 PM 11/9/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Rich, I have a scanner, so if anyone needs a document put on the computer, send > >it to me and I'll do it. I have yet to have a use for this thing, and I'd like > >to think that I didn't throw my money away!! > >darren > > > >rmccall wrote: > > > >> Sure John. What's your address to mail them to. Can't scan ... all I have > >> is hard copies. > >> > >> Rich > >> > >> John F. Esch wrote: > >> > >> > could I get a set of the drawings too? > >> > > >> > John F. Esch > >> > Salem, OR > >> > > >> > rmccall wrote: > >> > > >> > > Allan, > >> > > > >> > > Give your address and I'll send you a drawing and a picutre of my dual > >> > > > >> > > control. > >> > > > >> > > Rich > >> > > > >> > > Allan Horne wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Has anybody have a drawing and parts list for the dual control. > >> > > > > >> > > > Allan Horne > > > Wayne DeLisle Sr. > Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:31:13 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: KR2S controls Awesome, Thanks John rmccall wrote: > John: > > I'm putting it in the mail to you. > > Rich McCall > > John F. Esch wrote: > > > John F. Esch > > 533 Clarmar Dr NE > > Salem, OR 97301 > > > > rmccall wrote: > > > > > Sure John. What's your address to mail them to. Can't scan ... > all I > > > have > > > is hard copies. > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > John F. Esch wrote: > > > > > > > could I get a set of the drawings too? > > > > > > > > John F. Esch > > > > Salem, OR > > > > > > > > rmccall wrote: > > > > > > > > > Allan, > > > > > > > > > > Give your address and I'll send you a drawing and a picutre of > my > > > dual > > > > > > > > > > control. > > > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > Allan Horne wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Has anybody have a drawing and parts list for the dual > control. > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan Horne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:56:25 -0800 From: "Martin Mulvey" Subject: KR: Mazda Engines Hi All, To all those who may be interested in a Mazda engine, I spoke with Dave Atkins (Atkins Rotary) about his latest developments. Particular reference made to the KR2 type. He has a two rotor engine available. It produces 75HP. It weighs 115 pounds fitted with dual ignition, starter and alternator, belt drive reduction (2.0:1, 3.0:1) and is fuel injected. Although I am close by, I will not be able to see it until the weekend. As soon as I see it, I'll let all know. BRGDS Marty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:12:13 -0800 From: "Martin Mulvey" Subject: KR: Mazda Engines Hi All, I spoke with Dave Atkins (Atkins Rotary) about his latest developments tonight particularly as far as KR2 aircraft are concerned. He has now a two rotor, 75HP engine available for the type. It weighs 115 pounds fitted with dual ignition, alternator, starter and belt driven prop reduction (2.0:1, 3.0:1) drive. Cost or other particulars, I don't know. Although I am close by, I have not seen the unit yet. I will be seeing it over the coming weekend and will let you know then. He has a good product and this might really be promising. BRGDS, Marty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:13:06 +0200 From: 5253 Subject: Re: KR: they are here!! At 20:00 09.11.98 -0800, you wrote: >All > >thought I would pass on some good news. The twins arrived today!!!!!!!! > >Andrew 6 lbs 4 oz >Maggie 5 lbs 9 oz > >babies are doing great and mommy is recoverying ok > >John F. Esch >KR-2SSW >Salem, OR > Congratulations! If you don't have a hearing protectors, order it NOW from Sporty's Pilot Shop bla bla bla :-) juss from Estonia Johan Pender - ------------------ GSM 372 5 048 958 GSM post 372 5 3048 958 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:16:40 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: engine case In a message dated 11/10/98 11:27:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, mikec@admin1.southga.tec.ga.us writes: << Can anyone tell me if you have sealed the engine case with silk string and aviation #2 sealer like Continental does on their cases. Mike Cochran >> If you are referring to a VW case, Steve at Great Plains says the thread is not needed. I used to Loktite case sealer he recommends and do not have any case halve oil leaks. I don't recall the Loktite number but I'll look around and post it. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:18:55 -0500 From: "R.W. Moore" Subject: Re: KR: Canopy for 42" wide fus. A company in Ohio will make a canopy any size that you want. R. W. Moore N115RM - -----Original Message----- From: Wayne DeLisle Sr. To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 7:39 AM Subject: Re: KR: Canopy for 42" wide fus. >At 08:15 PM 11/9/98 -0800, you wrote: >>rmccall wrote: >>> >>> Mine is 44" in the shoulders. Same problem with the canopy. >>> >> >> >>The Dragonfly canopy will fit your fuselage width. > >I really like the looks of the D-fly canopy, How much do they cost?? > >WD >Wayne DeLisle Sr. >Email:support@sestar.net > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:52:57 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR: Case sealer The loktite number is 518. You can find it at your local auto parts store. If they don't have it they may have to order it for you. The stuff works great for sealing halves. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 06:01:03 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: CD-ROM update OK, OK- thanks for the gentle reminder. Progress on the KRNet Archive and Traveling Resource Library has been slow. I have everything, really I do, but I am short of time. But hey- I got the shirts rolling, didn't I? Only a year late! On the CDs- I have the complete list of all who expressed interest; I have the blank CDs and mailers, have the archived and scanned Newsletters KRNet archives; and other valuable information. In other words, the beans are in the pot and ready to cook- I just need to light the fire. I promise to dig into Adobe Acrobat and try to get the CD done as soon as I can. Thanks for the patience, guys. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:15:37 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Cowling pictures Mike Mims wrote: > > Cowling heads, I uploaded more photos of the cowling. Go see them on > the Engine II page at: > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/engine2.html Mike, you have probably said this, but I forget. Where did you get the nose bowl? - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 06:26:35 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Instrument panel height Can anyone tell me what the highest point there instrument panel is measured from the top of their upper longeron and also how far below the top of the upper longeron it extends to allow for leg room. I have a premade instrument panel from a Yankee that I've got to modify and I dont want it too tall or my forward deck will have too much angle to it. Rich Parker ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:43:57 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: CD-ROM update Hi Oscar, I'd like one of your CD's. How much will it cost?? WD At 06:01 AM 11/11/98 PST, you wrote: >OK, OK- thanks for the gentle reminder. Progress on the KRNet Archive >and Traveling Resource Library has been slow. I have everything, really >I do, but I am short of time. But hey- I got the shirts rolling, didn't >I? Only a year late! On the CDs- I have the complete list of all who >expressed interest; I have the blank CDs and mailers, have the archived >and scanned Newsletters KRNet archives; and other valuable information. >In other words, the beans are in the pot and ready to cook- I just need >to light the fire. > >I promise to dig into Adobe Acrobat and try to get the CD done as soon >as I can. Thanks for the patience, guys. > >Oscar Zuniga >Medford, Oregon > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:40:36 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Cowling pictures Donald Reid wrote: > Mike, you have probably said this, but I forget. Where did you get the > nose bowl? > > -- > Don Reid I think its part number MC-4 from AS&S, its for a T-18. I also looked at the one for the Tailwind (forget the part number) and if I were planning to use a Continental I think I would go with that one. The price is about $79 for either one. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:42:24 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: Canopy for 42" wide fus. Thanks for the information. I'll try to find them and see what the cost is. Rich McCall R.W. Moore wrote: > A company in Ohio will make a canopy any size that you want. > R. W. Moore > N115RM > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne DeLisle Sr. > To: krnet-l@teleport.com > Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 7:39 AM > Subject: Re: KR: Canopy for 42" wide fus. > > >At 08:15 PM 11/9/98 -0800, you wrote: > >>rmccall wrote: > >>> > >>> Mine is 44" in the shoulders. Same problem with the canopy. > >>> > >> > >> > >>The Dragonfly canopy will fit your fuselage width. > > > >I really like the looks of the D-fly canopy, How much do they cost?? > > > >WD > >Wayne DeLisle Sr. > >Email:support@sestar.net > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:15:28 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Canopy for 42 Let us know what you find out. Rich Parker NH >Thanks for the information. I'll try to find them and see what the cost >is. > >Rich McCall > > >R.W. Moore wrote: > >> A company in Ohio will make a canopy any size that you want. >> R. W. Moore >> N115RM >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Wayne DeLisle Sr. >> To: krnet-l@teleport.com >> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 7:39 AM >> Subject: Re: KR: Canopy for 42" wide fus. >> >> >At 08:15 PM 11/9/98 -0800, you wrote: >> >>rmccall wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Mine is 44" in the shoulders. Same problem with the canopy. >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>The Dragonfly canopy will fit your fuselage width. >> > >> >I really like the looks of the D-fly canopy, How much do they cost?? >> > >> >WD >> >Wayne DeLisle Sr. >> >Email:support@sestar.net >> > >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 98 10:00:34 PST From: "Tim Anderson" Subject: Re: KR: Mazda Engines Marty, See if he has any engines available in the 100hp range. TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Tim Anderson Stockton, CA tanderso@inreach.com - ---------- > > Hi All, > > I spoke with Dave Atkins (Atkins Rotary) about his latest developments > tonight particularly as far as KR2 aircraft are concerned. > > He has now a two rotor, 75HP engine available for the type. It weighs = 115 > pounds fitted with dual ignition, alternator, starter and belt driven > prop reduction (2.0:1, 3.0:1) drive. Cost or other particulars, I don't > know. > > Although I am close by, I have not seen the unit yet. I will be seeing = it > over the coming weekend and will let you know then. > > He has a good product and this might really be promising. > > BRGDS, Marty > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:06:07 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: Re: KR: engine case Mike, If your talking Continental, yes, use the silk string. I know an A&P that uses the silk string and some light silicone sealant rather than the aviation #2 sealer. I haven't seen any problems with the Continentals he has rebuilt. Porche (type 4) engine builders tell me that the silicone sealant will increase the clearance in the mains sufficiently to cause long term problems. As for the silk string in the VW cases, I'll defer to Dana and Steve on that. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:21:36 -0500 mike cochran writes: >Can anyone tell me if you have sealed the engine case with silk string >and aviation #2 sealer like Continental does on their cases. >Mike Cochran > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:31:22 -0600 From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR: Re: Kitplanes Lionheart article (off subject) Richard Parker wrote: >I just read it and it really sounded like "Mark Langford" is a name >known in all aviation households same as Bob Hoover, Barry Schiff or >Chuck Yeager. I didnt know you were so popular Mark. I'm guess I'm >privaledged. > Yep, me and Bob Hoover and Chuck Yeager. We're in the same league....me and my 120 hours of 172 time. I think the only one I'm popular with is Larry, cause I keep doing stuff for him for free. Anybody that wonders what a Lionheart is can check out http://www.griffon-aerospace.com . It's a modern day version of the Staggerwing, complete with 450HP radial engine. It's pretty awesome, if I say so myself. The web page shows how we designed the thing on the computer in 3D, by bsplining surfaces along all three axes to make a very aerodynamic fuselage, from which construction templates were created directly. I guess I am kinda proud of the work, but I'd have been flying my KR2S for years if I hadn't been sidetracked... I'm still in Wales for another two weeks, but will get some KR construction in over the holidays. It's time to order instruments and get serious with the engine!!!! Mark Langford langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:56:50 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: Re: KR: they are here!! Thanks I do have a set of DC and Flight Coms and a bunch of foam ear plugs. John 5253 wrote: > At 20:00 09.11.98 -0800, you wrote: > >All > > > >thought I would pass on some good news. The twins arrived > today!!!!!!!! > > > >Andrew 6 lbs 4 oz > >Maggie 5 lbs 9 oz > > > >babies are doing great and mommy is recoverying ok > > > >John F. Esch > >KR-2SSW > >Salem, OR > > > > Congratulations! > > If you don't have a hearing protectors, order it NOW from Sporty's > Pilot > Shop bla bla bla :-) > > juss > from Estonia > > Johan Pender > ------------------ > GSM 372 5 048 958 > GSM post 372 5 3048 958 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:11:22 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: Canopy for 42 Rich: I certainly will, as soon as I track the Company down and get an answer from them. I originally thought I would have to make my own and was planning to build a large box to heat the plexiglass over a form in. If I get away without having to do that, I'll be very happy to save the time and effort. Rich McCall Richard Parker wrote: > Let us know what you find out. > > Rich Parker > NH > > >Thanks for the information. I'll try to find them and see what the cost > >is. > > > >Rich McCall > > > > > >R.W. Moore wrote: > > > >> A company in Ohio will make a canopy any size that you want. > >> R. W. Moore > >> N115RM > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Wayne DeLisle Sr. > >> To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 7:39 AM > >> Subject: Re: KR: Canopy for 42" wide fus. > >> > >> >At 08:15 PM 11/9/98 -0800, you wrote: > >> >>rmccall wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Mine is 44" in the shoulders. Same problem with the canopy. > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>The Dragonfly canopy will fit your fuselage width. > >> > > >> >I really like the looks of the D-fly canopy, How much do they > cost?? > >> > > >> >WD > >> >Wayne DeLisle Sr. > >> >Email:support@sestar.net > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:13:20 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: Re: Kitplanes Lionheart article (off subject) What instruments are you going to install? Rich Mark Langford wrote: > Richard Parker wrote: > > >I just read it and it really sounded like "Mark Langford" is a name > >known in all aviation households same as Bob Hoover, Barry Schiff or > >Chuck Yeager. I didnt know you were so popular Mark. I'm guess I'm > >privaledged. > > > > Yep, me and Bob Hoover and Chuck Yeager. We're in the same league....me and > my 120 hours of 172 time. I think the only one I'm popular with is Larry, > cause I keep doing stuff for him for free. Anybody that wonders what a > Lionheart is can check out http://www.griffon-aerospace.com . It's a modern > day version of the Staggerwing, complete with 450HP radial engine. It's > pretty awesome, if I say so myself. The web page shows how we designed the > thing on the computer in 3D, by bsplining surfaces along all three axes to > make a very aerodynamic fuselage, from which construction templates were > created directly. I guess I am kinda proud of the work, but I'd have been > flying my KR2S for years if I hadn't been sidetracked... > > I'm still in Wales for another two weeks, but will get some KR construction > in over the holidays. It's time to order instruments and get serious with > the engine!!!! > > Mark Langford > langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:44:21 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Instrument panel height Richard Parker wrote: > > Can anyone tell me what the highest point there instrument panel is > measured from the top of their upper longeron and also how far below the > top of the upper longeron it extends to allow for leg room. > I have a premade instrument panel from a Yankee that I've got to modify > and I dont want it too tall or my forward deck will have too much angle > to it. I put the bottom of mine at the bottom of the longeron for the extra legroom. You actually have a lot more room at the top than you might think. I think you will be limited by the canopy more than the sightline. If you project a line from your eye to the front/top of the engine, anything below that line will not interfere with your vision. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:53:15 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: Cowling update At 18:39 11/9/98 -0800, you wrote: >Just wanted to pass along that the method that Tony Bingelis uses for >building a cowl works pretty good! Today was the first time at sanding >the spackle and it sands really nice. After some light sanding I >applied another layer (coat) of spackle and it should be ready for paint >after sanding. Believe it or not this cowling project is kinda fun. >-- Mike, I have not been very active on KR net lately, nor on my KR, but I have been following your progress on your cowling mold with interest. I built my mold following Tony Bengalis' example and then extended the mold to include the front deck. I have some pictures of it, before the final coat of paint, on my web page. I am ready to glass mine and am interested in how you plan to do your layup. I plan to use three layers of 6 oz BID with one layer of 1.45 Deck Cloth for the final layer. I am thinking of cutting the cloth in one foot wide strips across the width (60") and then lay the strips at 45 degrees to the mold. I plan to butt the edges and then overlap the seams of the next layers so that the seams do not line up. This is the only way I can figure to make the layup manageable. What technique do you plan to use? Gee, if it wasnt a three day drive to your place, I would come help you with yours so if you screwed up, I would know what not to do :) Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:02:07 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: Re: Sides At 23:33 11/9/98 -0800, you wrote: >Sounds cool,one thing I worry about is that the stapling pressure will >distort the boat out of square somehow or break something. > >That a problem for anyone who used this method? > >Robert Covington > I skinned mine after it was framed and had no problem with distortion. I used an electric stapler and had a couple of helpers for the sides, but did the bottom by myself. I also cut and scarfed the skin before I installed it, making sure the scarf joint fell on a spruce upright or cross piece. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:24:24 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re:front deck height Thanks, some panels seem too low and must be hard to get under. I'm worried about the line from the cowling to the canopy. I dont want the forward deck to be too steep or it wont flow smoothly off the cowling. Without the cowling or the canopy I've got to ball park it. Down the centerline, how much higher than the firewall would you estimate the back of the forward deck is if projected to the front of the front spar? Anyone else have dims? Thanks Rich Parker >I put the bottom of mine at the bottom of the longeron for the extra >legroom. You actually have a lot more room at the top than you might >think. I think you will be limited by the canopy more than the >sightline. If you project a line from your eye to the front/top of the >engine, anything below that line will not interfere with your vision. > >-- >Don Reid >Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com > KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:19:06 -0700 From: Adrian Carter Subject: Re: KR: Case sealer KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > > The loktite number is 518. You can find it at your local auto parts store. > If they don't have it they may have to order it for you. The stuff works > great for sealing halves. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ Have also tried the Loctite 518 but found that it still weeped at the seam until I lucked in to a product used by the guys at a BMW motercycle shop this is made by 3 Bond, 1211 Silicon Liquid Gasket. Maybe worth a try, I know I did not have any weeping after using this. No thead of any kind is needed. Remember that the VW cases work more than the others. Steve is probably the best authority on this. Good Luck. - -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:34:19 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: Instrument panel height At 06:26 11/11/98 PST, you wrote: >Can anyone tell me what the highest point there instrument panel is >measured from the top of their upper longeron and also how far below the >top of the upper longeron it extends to allow for leg room. >I have a premade instrument panel from a Yankee that I've got to modify >and I dont want it too tall or my forward deck will have too much angle >to it. > >Rich Parker Rich, I am using the same panel you are. Mine is 3-1/4 inches below the top longeron at the bottom and the top is about 10-1/2 inches above it. I modified my front deck profile to mate with the panel by molding a steeper angle starting at about 10 inches ahead of the panel. I built my cowling mold so that the angle is the same from the top edge of the spinner to that point, then rises to conform to the shape and height of the panel. It looks pretty cool except for the ugly color enamel I painted on the mold! I have some pictures of it on my web page if you would like to take a look. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:04:18 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re:front deck height Richard Parker wrote: > I'm worried about the line from the cowling to the canopy. I dont want > the forward deck to be too steep or it wont flow smoothly off the > cowling. Without the cowling or the canopy I've got to ball park it. Something to think about,...I am not sure what canopy you plan to use but the instrument panel is not necessarily the the piece you should use as a reference to build your forward deck. My Instrument panel could easily be 3 inches taller than it is. Just all depends how high you want to make it or how much of it you want in your field of view. You need to decide where your future windshield (or front of canopy) will meet up with the top of the deck and that's the area you need to build a bulkhead that will be used as a reference for shaping the deck. I think my instrument panel is 9 or 10 inches above the top longerons. Keep in mind my forward bulkhead for the aft turtledeck is over 6 inches taller than the stock unit and my firewall is 1 inch taller than it should be. There is lots of head room in the Sky Pig! :o) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:00:01 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: Cowling update Austin Clark wrote: <<<<<>>>> Well I been going over how I plan to do this and I came to the same conclusion you did. That is that I would have to cut the pieces in smaller sections to make it manageable or do it in two jobs. I plan to wet out the pieces on a piece of plastic film (all four layers) and then apply them to the mold. A friend of mine is a parts builder (using molds, male and female) for race cars and LongEZ parts and he said to use 3 layers of 10 oz bid and a top layer of 4 oz to make the finishing easier. One thing I have thought about and I think I will try it is to make the top half of the cowling first, trim it and then remove it from the mold. Then I could carve a joggle in the foam so the lip would be built into the lower piece. Without a doubt the lower part will be the hardest but breaking it up into two jobs may make it a little less of a pain in the a-s! I am off to check your web page. Keep at that project!!! - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #180 *****************************