From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Monday, November 16, 1998 6:34 PM To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #184 krnet-l-digest Monday, November 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 184 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 06:27:04 -0500 From: "R.W. Moore" Subject: Re: KR: Turbo wastegate/Posa carbs Posa Carbs was owned by HAPI. Maybe Viking Aircraft has information The person will be Partick Taylor. RWM - -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 10:50 PM Subject: Re: KR: Turbo wastegate/Posa carbs >Tom Andersen wrote: ><<< Unfortunately, they have not caught on in aviation because the >aircraft engines can't take it except for normalizing. The structure of >the average aircooled engine is too weak for the higher cylinder >pressures and crankshaft torque which can be obtained with >turbocharging.>>> > > >Well actually that's not true,....I think what you will find if you look >back to the days when the gasoline piston engine was king, almost ALL of >them were either turbocharged (yes with boost) or supercharged (again >with boost) or both. (I am talking 400hp or more here) Certified type >engines are incredibly overbuilt. > >What killed the development of a better piston turbo-supercharged engine >was a thing called the TURBOPROP! There just isn't a demand for a >sophisticated, high HP to weight ratio, water-cooled, light aircraft >piston engine. Anything that needs more than 400 hp is powered by a P&W >PT6 or a Garrett Grenade (and almost anything with a profit margin needs >more than 400 hp). And sadly the demand for engines below 400 hp is >almost nonexistent so why bother? > >I have heard Continental is developing a turbocharged 2 stroke diesel >that will someday replace the engines in the 150 to 300 hp range but who >knows when that will become reality? > >As far as running boost versus normalizing I think you can run the Piper >Seneca up to 42 inches and I think that's a little more than just >normalizing! :o) > > >I think its up to eXperimentors to tinker with car engines and make them >work in airplanes because the business world just doesn't see a market. >Even when a eXperimentor comes along and builds a nice powerplant from >an autoengine they charge prices that are nothing short of ridiculous. >I hate to say it but anyone who would pay $10k for a 1983 Subaru engine >should have their head examined! Heck the whole car didn't cost that >much in 1983. I look at this just the way most people (unjustifiably in >my book) look at certified type engines. Every time you turn around you >hear some dude say "Lycomings and Continentals cost too much" and it >just aint so. Sure a brand new one is priced in the stupid range but I >don't know how many complete engines I have come across since I bought >my 290 for less than $1000! Dr Dean got a complete RUNNING O-290 for >less than,.......well I better let him tell you! :o) So what if you >bought a C85 or an O-200 with only 500 hours left on it? Heck for most >of us that's about 5 years worth of flying. > >You are right about one thing and that is at one time I was all fired up >about a turbo Subaru or even a VW then I thought back to something I >told myself when I first started. I said self "If your gona build this >flying machine and haul your kids and your wife around in it don't go >bolting a car engine to the front of it". So far I have to say going >with a certified type engine is without a doubt the best way to go. I >don't have to re-engineer anything! I buy a part and bolt it on because >it is MADE to go in an airplane and not a car. If I have to pay a little >more for piece of mind then so be it. Yes I have begun to collect spare >parts for if and when I crack a cylinder but I would do that no mater >what engine I was running. > >Oh yeah, before I forget. I don't think there is a source for Posa >carbs except the used market. > >Also just because I had to make the choice that using a certified engine >was the way to go for ME doesn't mean I think its for everyone. We all >do what we have to do to make the dream come true. I fly behind a VW >all the time and I like it. But in MY plane I wanted something else. >Sitting behind (or beside) the drone of a Lycoming or Continental for >over 4000hrs with out so much as a hiccup may have helped me with that >decision. > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 05:35:04 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Cert. Engines >For example, a set of reused jugs on a Continental that had been >inspected, measured, Magnafluxed, etc., by an A&P before being >returned to service probably is more reliable than a set of brand-new >VW jugs from Great Plains, but don't kid yourself that they're >automatically more reliable if this has not been done. I would argue that. 600 hundred hours ago at tbo we had that done on our Archer and this week after its annual its getting 4 new jugs ($4K) because 3 of them had low compression due to "bad welds" if the A+P had told us that the jugs were welded in the first place we probably would have bought new ones then. 2 guys next to us with a mooney just paid $36K for their annual and 5 hours later had the side of a jug depart the aircraft. (They are looking at another $25 -35k) I think new parts (VW or cert) that havent been shock cooled, repaired etc are going to be much more reliable. These are days when I'm happy to have partners. Rich Parker ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 05:40:34 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: >That being said we sure had fun today farting around with the 1835 VW on >the front of Allan's Dragonfly. We were trying to squeeze another 100 >rpm out of it to help improve the climb rate and found that his ignition >was advanced too much. We retarded it today and his max static RPM cam >up about 150. This resulted in a rate of climb increase of about >250fpm! Wouldnt that be sweet if it was over the whole power range? 250 Fpm for every 150 Rpm Thats 5000 fpm out of an 1835 VW turning 3000 Rpm Just dreaming Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 07:38:20 -0600 From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: KR: Foam for seats? Hey, foamheads, What's the name of the company that sells the various densities of special foam (different colors for different densities) for use in making seats? They probably have a website by now. They're a fixture at Oshkosh every year, but my mind has turned to mush and I can't find my latest "Oshkosh literature bag". :0) I know it's been used in KRs before - think it's been mentioned a while back - maybe Bobby M.? I'm a fixin' to build me a seat. Thanks. Ed Janssen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 11:19:29 EST From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: KR: KRNet Etiquette (repeat from September) It's been a couple of months, so based on the comments I received last time I'm posting this again. Please send all comments to EagleGator@aol.com. A few rules I use to "KRNet" by, thought they might be helpful to share: 1. "Me too" doesn't add value to the thread. If I don't have more than one sentence to post, I don't post, unless I'm giving a short answer to a KR- related question. 2. ALWAYS include a part of the post that you are replying to so that everyone else knows what you are talking about. NEVER include the entire text of a long post with your reply, just enough of it to put your comments in context. 3. Humor is great, but don't overdo it. Humor usually leads to a bunch of "me too" type posts. 4. Don't whine on the list. Just like everything else, this is a slice of America, and we are all different types of people. If you are offended by something someone says, take it up with them privately. KRNet is not a political forum. 5. Judicious use of the "delete" key on email with subjects you're not interested in will save you time and frustration. 6. It's OK to occasionally post an off-topic question, just be sure to ask people to respond to you privately. 7. Always include your "tag" line so that people know who and where you are, as well as how to reach you for more details on your ideas. Also, try to put your comments in context with your information source - "I built mine this way...", "Based on my experience, I'd do it this way...", "I read this somewhere...", "My opinion is...". 8. Never answer a post immediately if it has pissed you off. Think about it for a while, and then respond or let it drop. We will all thank you for it. 9. Thick skin is a virtue -- grow some and don't take things too personally. 10. Remember that we are here to help each other, and anything that we post that doesn't further that pursuit is wasted bandwidth. That's all I can think of right now, and you need to know that these are lessons/practices I have learned the hard way. If it appears that I'm pointing a finger at any one individual, remember that when you point at someone you have three fingers pointed back at yourself ... we've all been there. Now, let's get back to building and flying! Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 12:04:09 -0500 From: neil Rawlinson <100647.575@compuserve.com> Subject: KR: Unsubscribe Unsubscribe krnet 100647.575@compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 09:43:39 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re:Its a FAKE! Robert Covington wrote: > Tell me you aren't going to fair the gear legs like that, please. :) Looks like a Kenner Sport! > Yeah what's it to you? :o) Actually with the struts being 4 inches wide I don't have a choice if I want them to be faired properly. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:55:53 +0200 From: Kobus de Wet Subject: KR: Posa carb I was given a Posa carb by guy who has no use for it. As I know nothing about them and has never followed the information on the net regarding the type, Would somebody please inform me if this carb can be used with a 2 Lt. type IV VW and all the pros and cons regarding these carbs. Kobus de Wet Cape Town, South Africa GMT + 2.00 http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ Kobus de Wet Cape Town, South Africa GMT + 2.00 http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 17:34:06 From: Austin Clark Subject: Re: KR: Instrument panel height At 03:39 11/13/98 PST, you wrote: >I'm going to as well. I've already spent so much time thinking of >options that if I was getting paid for it I could have bought 3 > >However, i'm getting the price for a new Pulsar canopy as comparison >from Skystar. I looked at one last night and it is the same size as the >Dragonfly. (Its probably the same mold) If its cheaper I'll let you >know. > > Great! Let me know what you find out. I am ready to place an order. Austin Clark Pascagoula, MS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 15:35:52 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Posa carb Its junk Send it to me I'll get rid of it for you. Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH >From: Kobus de Wet >To: 'krnet' >Subject: KR: Posa carb >Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:55:53 +0200 >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >I was given a Posa carb by guy who has no use for it. As I know nothing >about them and has never followed the information on the net regarding the >type, Would somebody please inform me if this carb can be used with a 2 Lt. >type IV VW and all the pros and cons regarding these carbs. > > >Kobus de Wet >Cape Town, South Africa >GMT + 2.00 >http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ >Kobus de Wet >Cape Town, South Africa >GMT + 2.00 >http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 15:33:50 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: KRNet Etiquette (repeat from September) Come on - I've been on my best behavior since September. Rich Parker ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 01:30:05 -0600 From: rmccall Subject: Re: KR: N56ML instruments Mark: I am building my front turtle deck now and have added a big "hump" above where the instrument panel goes. It gives me 12" of instrument panel all together. I used that spray foam on top of my foam form for the front turtle deck, then sanded it down. The extra area will be good for instruments and switches (because of the tapering on the rear side of the instrument area. Rich Mark Langford wrote: > >What instruments are you going to install? > > > >Rich > > I'm going with the "Engine Instrument System" (I think) that costs about > $435 for a digital display of something like 11 different parameters. That > will eliminate the need for lots of guages, but I'll also need 4 more VDO > guages. the usal VFR stuff, plus a g-meter, a Skymap GPS (pretty large > display area) in the middle of the panel, engine intruments (EIS), flight > stuff (compass, airpseed indicator, Taskem digital altimeter, vetical speed, > and turn and bank)Terra com and transponder. The panel's built; it's 7.5 > inches high above the longeron, and 2" below. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 18:09:14 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: Instrument panel height Austin Clark wrote: > > > Great! Let me know what you find out. I am ready to place an order. > > Austin Clark The company that makes the canopies for the Dragonfly and the KR2S is in Long Beach just north of here. I think you can buy a Dragonfly canopy from him for $425 plus shipping. I believe that's where Jeff Scott got his but I could be wrong. I can dig out the phone number if anyone is interested. The canopies come in clear, green (Cessna tint), gray, and dark smoked (black). The one for the Dragonfly is a little thinner than the KR2S version but it will flex to accommodate many fuselage widths. The KR2S canopy is rather ridged and will only fit the plans built fuselage. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:27:41 -0700 From: Wayne and Kathy Subject: Re: KR: GCS Prop Kr2jm@aol.com wrote: > > Has any one heard of a three bladed ground adjustable wooden prop? One of our > EAA Chapter members saw one, and the only name he could find on it is the > letters "GCS." > > Jim Morehead > kr2jm@aol.com GCS.props are made in Vernon, British Columbia. They are of wood design with an alumunum hub. They come in 2 and three blade designs and a varity of lengths. A lot of people around Western Canada use them and they are highly regarded around here. I have one on RX-650 Beaver and had one on my CH-701 and think they are excellant value for the money. As soon as I find there address and phone number I'll publish it here. Wayne in Cold Lake. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:44:30 -0500 From: "Tom Andersen" Subject: Re: KR: Turbo wastegate/Posa carbs Steve, Is it a float-type carburetor? I thought the Posa has no float chamber, or am I mistaken? I don't know enough about them yet. I don't mind adjusting something with multiple needle valves. I prefer that to having something I have to re-jet at different altitudes, or worse yet, something with no needle valves at all. - -Tom - -----Original Message----- From: SRMAKISH@aol.com To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 8:28 AM Subject: Re: KR: Turbo wastegate/Posa carbs >I have a old posa super carb with a bunch of needles. If you are interested i >would sell it reasonable. Try able kit planes for great subaru intake >manifolds, at www.altimizer.com. >Talk to ron. >srmakish@aol.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:34:03 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: Turbo wastegate/Posa carbs Tom Andersen wrote: <<>>> Interesting web site but I have a hard tim believing their "Engine Specs" (see chart below). I don't know but something tells me that 1900ccs turning 3000 rpm should be in the 64hp range not 81 and that same something tells me that a 2400cc engine only makes 79hp @ 3000 rpm. Of course I am assuming these engines are naturally aspirated. To get the rated HP from their chart the engines would have to turn approximately 4000 to 4500rpm. Steve Benette has been at this a long time and I am sure he will tell you those HP ratings are slightly inflated. Size Bore x Stroke Horsepower Wt.(lbs) Price 1.91 L 94mmx69mm 81 @ 3000 rpm 165 lbs. $5,970.00 2.27 L 94mmx82mm 105 @ 3000 rpm 170 lbs. $6,490.00 2.44 L 94mmx88mm 120 @ 3000 rpm 180 lbs. $6,890.00 By the way that carb looks an awful lot like the carb Edelbrock is selling for Hardly Davidson motorbikes. By the way if you remove the float bowl and install a mixture control you have a Revmaster Revflow. The mixture may not be automatic but the Revflow is a pretty good carb for the money. (about $225 I think). - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:50:47 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: Turbo wastegate/Posa carbs Tom Andersen wrote: >Try able kit planes for great subaru intake > >manifolds, at www.altimizer.com. > >Talk to ron. > >srmakish@aol.com Steve, any idea how they are getting "AUTOMATIC AND CONTINUOUS ALTITUDE COMPENSATION" out of this carb? - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:42:46 +0100 From: "Stefan den Boer" Subject: KR: Prop / flaps. Hai netters. From the Netherlands a smal sorry, I asked a question about the prop I can buy with a engine. I could not read the answers because my computer crashed. Yesterday he was again frendly too me and worked again. So thanks for the respons. I did not buy the prop, because the prop is realy expensif and second hand ( 1150 usd) . With your information it is better too look around for an other one with another tork (spoed,pits). And i have time left before fliyng it, ( 2 years from now) The flaps If you look on the drawing there are differend places where the gab or cut line from the flaps is coming. Also the point where the hinge from the flaps is coming. What did you do guys, are you following the upper cut line from the ailerons , or are you using the 7 inch line from the flaps behind. Maybe there is somebody who can gife me the outboard hinge point distens messered from the the aft spar. Thanks Bad writhing Dutch Guy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 03:39:25 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Re: Canopies Any body out there using colored canopies? pro's and cons? Rich Parker >The company that makes the canopies for the Dragonfly and the KR2S is in >Long Beach just north of here. I think you can buy a Dragonfly canopy >from him for $425 plus shipping. I believe that's where Jeff Scott got >his but I could be wrong. I can dig out the phone number if anyone is >interested. The canopies come in clear, green (Cessna tint), gray, and >dark smoked (black). The one for the Dragonfly is a little thinner than >the KR2S version but it will flex to accommodate many fuselage widths. >The KR2S canopy is rather ridged and will only fit the plans built >fuselage. > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 05:52:52 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: watch out for MoGas Just read a FAA safety advisory on MOGAS because of the clean air additives they are saying its not safe to use it even with an STC. Theres 3 formulations out there and they only recommend one. the other 2 are bad news. One of the problems is that your local gas station doesnt even usually know which ones they have. I'll post the whole article if people are interested. Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 06:58:31 PST From: "Edward Newbold" Subject: Re: KR: MoGas Hi Rich. >Just read a FAA safety advisory on MOGAS because of the clean air >additives. They are saying it's not safe to use, even with an STC. >There's 3 formulations out there and they only recommend one. the >other 2 are bad news. One of the problems is that your local gas >station doesnt even usually know which ones they have. I'll post the >whole article if people are interested. -Rich Parker- Interesting. Please DO post the article or a ponter to the reference so I can read up on it. The reason we *have* STCs is to provide safe ways to do different things, like using auto gas. If the FAA indicates it is NOT safe to use auto gas and then they ISSUE STCs to allow it, then something is drastically wrong. For the record, I've used auto gas in my old STC'd TriPacer for years with no adverse implications or reactions. So, as you might guess, this is highly important information for me. Thanks. Ed Newbold Columbus, OH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:59:51 EST From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Turbo wastegate/Posa carbs I LOOKED AT THIS THING AND ALL i CAN FIGURE OUT is that it is just a pressure differential between the ambient air and the air that is going trough the throat. It has a couple of sampling tubes going to the float bowl at a couple of different heights. I do know it works up to 14500 feet. I had my kr up last year and thought I would freeze to death. By the way, at 14500 feet my kr was still climbing at 300 fpm and indicating 120 mph. The mixture remained constant and my ratio meter hardly budged. It only moved when the carb did an adjustment. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:10:30 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: watch out for MoGas At 05:52 AM 11/16/98 PST, you wrote: >Just read a FAA safety advisory on MOGAS because of the clean air >additives they are saying its not safe to use it even with an STC. >Theres 3 formulations out there and they only recommend one. the other 2 >are bad news. One of the problems is that your local gas station doesnt >even usually know which ones they have. I'll post the whole article if >people are interested. Yes, please do. WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:20:36 EST From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Posa carb It worked real well for me. I had a pump and a 1 psi regulator. It ran on a 2400 cc t4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:20:16 -0800 From: David Moore Subject: Re: KR: Instrument panel height Hey Mike, Go ahead and post the PH# I'm certain there are a few others including myself who would like to find a D-Fly canopy. Dave Moore At 06:09 PM 11/15/98 -0800, you wrote: >Austin Clark wrote: >> > >> Great! Let me know what you find out. I am ready to place an order. >> >> Austin Clark > >The company that makes the canopies for the Dragonfly and the KR2S is in >Long Beach just north of here. I think you can buy a Dragonfly canopy >from him for $425 plus shipping. I believe that's where Jeff Scott got >his but I could be wrong. I can dig out the phone number if anyone is >interested. The canopies come in clear, green (Cessna tint), gray, and >dark smoked (black). The one for the Dragonfly is a little thinner than >the KR2S version but it will flex to accommodate many fuselage widths. >The KR2S canopy is rather ridged and will only fit the plans built >fuselage. > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > David Moore mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net Henderson, Nevada ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:21:23 EST From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Posa carb I used a 29 mm on a 2400cc t4 and it worked fine. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:14:38 -0600 From: "T.Flemming" Subject: KR: Cabin Width This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE1152.4C8C34C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been considering widening my cabin width. I know that some of = ya'll have done this already. Is there any other modifications from = widening the fuselage that must be done. I realize that a different = canopy and turtle deck will be required. Is there anyone flying a KR = with a widened fuselage?=20 Last question, anyone know what the cabin width of a Cessna 152 is, as = that would be my best comparsion for how cramped a 34" KR cabin is. Regards, Trent Flemming =20 mailto:tflemming@texramp.net www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098 - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE1152.4C8C34C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been considering widening my = cabin=20 width.  I know that some of ya'll have done this already.  Is = there=20 any other modifications from widening the fuselage that must be = done.  I=20 realize that a different canopy and turtle deck will be required.  = Is there=20 anyone flying a KR with a widened fuselage?
Last question, anyone know what the = cabin width=20 of a Cessna 152  is, as that would be my best comparsion for how = cramped a=20 34" KR cabin is.
 
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Trent Flemming   
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- ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE1152.4C8C34C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:23:21 -0600 From: "T.Flemming" Subject: KR: Western Aircraft Supplier This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE1153.84B402A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can someone give me a phone # or some way to contact Western Aircraft = Supplier? =20 Thanks =20 Trent Flemming mailto:tflemming@texramp.net www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098 =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE1153.84B402A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can someone give me a phone # or = some way to=20 contact Western Aircraft Supplier?
 
Thanks
 
Trent Flemming
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- ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE1153.84B402A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:09:00 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: MoGas I will scan it and post it. I think the problem is that when many airplanes received their STC's RFG's reformulated gasolines werent around. When the issue was reviewed after introduction of one type, it was found that the additive wasnt a problem. the problem lies in that there are now 3 different types of additives and the guys at the pump dont seem to know which one they have. I'll post the whole thing. I had never seen this particular magazine published by the FAA but it handles only safety issues from cover to cover. I'll publish subscription info also. Its called FAAviation News. Rich Parker >Interesting. Please DO post the article or a ponter to the reference so >I can read up on it. The reason we *have* STCs is to provide safe ways >to do different things, like using auto gas. If the FAA indicates it is >NOT safe to use auto gas and then they ISSUE STCs to allow it, then >something is drastically wrong. > >For the record, I've used auto gas in my old STC'd TriPacer for years >with no adverse implications or reactions. So, as you might guess, this >is highly important information for me. > >Thanks. >Ed Newbold >Columbus, OH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:25:05 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Cabin Width "T.Flemming" wrote: <<<<<>>>>>>> I think a C150\C152 is about 35 to 36 inches wide. (two adults cannot sit shoulder to shoulder in a stock KR2/KR2S, one must sit sideways) There are quite a few flying KRs with widened fuselages and I don't think there are any strange flight characteristics. As far as other required mods I had to build both turtledecks and my canopy but I would have done that regardless of fuselage width due to the cost of the pre-formed stuff. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:57:16 -0800 From: "Tom Kilgore" Subject: Re: KR: Cabin Width Acccording to Ron Wantaja's web site the C152 is 37" at the shoulder. The C172 is 40". The last KR I flew in was widened by 5" at the shoulder and two 200lb'ers fit comfortably side by side. For more info on homebuilt cockpit widths go to http://www.halcyon.com/wanttaja/avlinks.html#sizes Tom Kilgore Las Vegas, NV lvav8r@vegas.infi.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/1444/page1.htm __I__ _______( X )_______ o/ \o - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 10:35 AM Subject: Re: KR: Cabin Width > "T.Flemming" wrote: ><<<<<question, anyone know what the cabin width of a Cessna 152 is, as that >would be my best comparison for how cramped a 34" KR cabin is.>>>>>>>> > >I think a C150\C152 is about 35 to 36 inches wide. (two adults cannot >sit shoulder to shoulder in a stock KR2/KR2S, one must sit sideways) >There are quite a few flying KRs with widened fuselages and I don't >think there are any strange flight characteristics. As far as other >required mods I had to build both turtledecks and my canopy but I would >have done that regardless of fuselage width due to the cost of the >pre-formed stuff. > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:51:31 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: KR: Canopy Austin, I checked into the canopies. The dragonfly canopy is the same as used on the Vision, Pulsar, and 2 place Lancairs. Looks like the place in California will be selling us $20 worth of acrylic for $425. Again I'm in the wrong business Rich ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:29:32 -0500 From: Allan Horne Subject: Re: KR: Western Aircraft Supplier - --------------1574779BE6104E7CABA72758 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Western Aircraft Supplies phone number is 403-250-1955 Allan Horne "T.Flemming" wrote: > Can someone give me a phone # or some way to contact Western Aircraft > Supplier? Thanks Trent > Flemmingmailto:tflemming@texramp.netwww.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098 - --------------1574779BE6104E7CABA72758 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Western Aircraft Supplies phone number is 403-250-1955
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 Can someone give me a phone # or some way to contact Western Aircraft Supplier? Thanks Trent Flemmingmailto:tflemming@texramp.netwww.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098 
- --------------1574779BE6104E7CABA72758-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:23:55 -0700 From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Subject: KR: Re: Canopies Mine is the "Easy Green" shaded Dragonfly Canopy. There is little difference between it and clear except that it does filter quite a bit of the UV. Take a look at it in the web pages listed in my signature line. I routinely fly at night with my KR and think the night vision through this canopy is excellent. The manufacturer of the Dragonfly canopy says that their green, light gray, and clear canopies all meet the FAA specs for night visibility. Their dark gray canopy is for daytime only flying machines. I did buy my canopy from the manufacturer mentioned by Mike Mims below. The best deal is to purchase it through Viking Aircraft and they will ahve the manufacturer ship it to you. Don't overlook the shipping costs as it must be shipped via truck. It's too big for UPS. Long Beach to Northern New Mexico cost me $175 shipping. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Mon, 16 Nov 1998 03:39:25 PST "Richard Parker" writes: >Any body out there using colored canopies? pro's and cons? > >Rich Parker > >>The company that makes the canopies for the Dragonfly and the KR2S is > >in >>Long Beach just north of here. I think you can buy a Dragonfly >canopy >>from him for $425 plus shipping. I believe that's where Jeff Scott >got >>his but I could be wrong. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:24:14 -0800 From: "Ronald R. Eason Sr." Subject: KR: WEB PAGE This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE119F.14007880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THANKS!!!, LOOKS GOOD. RON - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE119F.14007880 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Eason Sr.;Ronald;R. FN:Ronald R. Eason Sr. ORG:J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd.;Engineering TITLE:C.E.O., President NOTE:Appartment Veranda House, 100 W. Lincoln ST., Tullahoma. TN. = 37388, House phone 931-455-7033, Fax 931-455-9335, Aptmt.#308, phone = 931-393-3165. TEL;WORK;VOICE:816-468-4091 TEL;HOME;VOICE:816-468-4425 TEL;PAGER;VOICE:816-989-9692 TEL;WORK;FAX:816-468-5465 TEL;HOME;FAX:816-468-5465 ADR;WORK:;jrlkc@mindspring.com;7333 North = Brooklyn;Gladstone,;MO.;64118-2329;U.S.A. LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:jrlkc@mindspring.com=3D0D=3D0A7333= North Brooklyn=3D0D=3D0AGladstone,, MO. 64118-232=3D 9=3D0D=3D0AU.S.A. ADR;HOME:;;7333 N. Brooklyn;Gladstone,;MO.;64118-2329;U.S.A. LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:7333 N. = Brooklyn=3D0D=3D0AGladstone,, MO. 64118-2329=3D0D=3D0AU.S.A. URL: URL:http://jrl-engineering.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:ron@jrl-engineering.com EMAIL;INTERNET:jrlkc@mindspring.com EMAIL;INTERNET:reason1@ficom.net REV:19981117T042413Z END:VCARD - ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BE119F.14007880-- ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #184 *****************************