From: owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com[SMTP:owner-krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com] Sent: Friday, November 27, 1998 11:46 AM To: krnet-l-digest@lists.teleport.com Subject: krnet-l-digest V2 #188 krnet-l-digest Friday, November 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 188 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:42:08 -0500 From: Darren Brigman Subject: KR: unsubscribe Hello, I need to be dropped from the list at least for now. Thanks, and happy landings! Jeffrey E Scott wrote: > On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 05:32:13 PST "Oscar Zuniga" > writes: > >Anybody know if a mechanical tach drive can be adapted to the VW engine? > > >For a setup with no electrics at all, the options for a tach are rather > >limited, especially if you don't want to use a digital readout type or > >one with a limited-range sweep but are looking for a > >conventional-looking aircraft tach with 270 degrees of arc. > > > >Mechanical drive would be the standard square-hole/shaft drive type. > >Thanks. > > > >Oscar Zuniga > >Medford, Oregon > > > > How about a pulsed tach drive. I have one on my Continental that has a > rotating magnet and two wires wires that go from the pulse generator to > the tach. You could just as easily use a set of magnets most anywhere to > generate the pulses. > > Another option is to use a pulse driven tach that uses the pulses from > the points or "P" lead. No battery power needed. I think I have one of > those sitting out in the garage although it isn't the full sweep version. > Seems to me that I saw some full sweep versions in the Westberg > Instruments Catalogue. > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html > http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:20:28 EST From: Willard561@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: tach drive In a message dated 11/24/98 6:33:46 AM Mountain Standard Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: << Anybody know if a mechanical tach drive can be adapted to the VW engine? For a setup with no electrics at all, the options for a tach are rather limited, especially if you don't want to use a digital readout type or one with a limited-range sweep but are looking for a conventional-looking aircraft tach with 270 degrees of arc. Mechanical drive would be the standard square-hole/shaft drive type. Thanks. >> Oscar: look for a copy of the September 1966 Sport Aviation ( I am not 100% sure of the date) There was a Neuport Replica on the cover, there was an article on VW conversions that show how to graft a 90 degree gear box on to a Bosch distributor base Bill Higdon Willard561@aol.com ps If I can find my copy I will post a scan of the drawing ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:56:10 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: tach drive >Oscar: look for a copy of the September 1966 Sport Aviation ( I am >not 100% sure of the date) There was a Neuport Replica on the >cover, there was an article on VW ...... >Bill Higdon >Willard561@aol.com 1966 ! are you sure that wasnt a real Neuport and not a replica? Rich Parker ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 06:37:23 EST From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Buying a Plane? In a message dated 11/24/98 7:57:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, rossy@saber.slb.com writes: << OK Gang... help me out.... I have this uncontrollable urge to shop for a 4 place spam can. >> Ross, think about it. I have 172 that we use for family trips and it's worth owning it...............................but.............................every time I walk to the mailbox there's potential liability in an AD (and they ain't cheap), nor was my $1200.00 exhaust stacks at last annual. Something to think about. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 05:04:12 PST From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR: Buying a Plane? ><< OK Gang... help me out.... I have this uncontrollable urge to > shop for a 4 place spam can. >> >Ross, think about it. I have 172 that we use for family trips and it's worth >owning it...............................but.............................every >time I walk to the mailbox there's potential liability in an AD (and they >ain't cheap), nor was my $1200.00 exhaust stacks at last annual. >Something to think about. > >Dana Overall You got off easy. my most recent annual cost $5K (thats a lot of KR) Rich Parker ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:19:07 -0400 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR: Canopy Hello friends; I had a canopy built for me here in New Brunswick,by a local plastics fabricator. He will build you a canopy for $ 350. canadian. He builds them out of lexan at 3\8 inch thickness rather than the 1\4 inch that RR sells. If you would like to talk about this let me know. Regards; Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Donald Reid To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: November 16, 1998 11:10 PM Subject: Re: KR: Canopy >Richard Parker wrote: > >> I checked into the canopies. The dragonfly canopy is the same as used on >> the Vision, Pulsar, and 2 place Lancairs. Looks like the place in >> California will be selling us $20 worth of acrylic for $425. >> >> Again I'm in the wrong business > >If you have ever tried to make one from scratch, then you begin to >realize that $425 is a bargin. > >-- >Don Reid >Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com > KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 06:32:14 PST From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: KR: Great Plains engines Yo, netters- Check out the Great Plains web page for new stuff. Steve has a brand new catalog out- you'll have to get one. He has new instruments, brakes, and of course the Type 4 drive info. Check it out, and by all means get a catalog; it's money well spent. Website is at http://www.Greatplainsas.com No, I don't get a kickback. This is one outfit that supports KR builders with KR-specific products. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:13:00 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: Canopy 3/8"?? Isn't that kind of heavy??? Also, I wonder what the tarrif is to import such parts from Canada.. WD At 10:19 AM 11/25/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hello friends; I had a canopy built for me here in New Brunswick,by a local >plastics fabricator. He will build you a canopy for $ 350. canadian. He >builds them out of lexan at 3\8 inch thickness rather than the 1\4 inch that >RR sells. If you would like to talk about this let me know. Regards; Jim >-----Original Message----- >From: Donald Reid >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Date: November 16, 1998 11:10 PM >Subject: Re: KR: Canopy > > >>Richard Parker wrote: >> >>> I checked into the canopies. The dragonfly canopy is the same as used on >>> the Vision, Pulsar, and 2 place Lancairs. Looks like the place in >>> California will be selling us $20 worth of acrylic for $425. >>> >>> Again I'm in the wrong business >> >>If you have ever tried to make one from scratch, then you begin to >>realize that $425 is a bargin. >> >>-- >>Don Reid >>Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com >> KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm >> Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html >> > Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:36:38 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Buying a Plane? Ross Youngblood wrote: > > OK Gang... help me out.... I have this uncontrollable urge to > shop for a 4 place spam can. My wife says I can only have > one airplane. Uggh! If you have the resources, buy one! - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:47:58 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Canopy Jim Sellars wrote: > > Hello friends; I had a canopy built for me here in New Brunswick,by a local plastics fabricator. He will build you a canopy for $ 350. canadian.>>> Is there anyway you can post a picture to the net or email a picture to someone who can? That would ba a great price for a Dragonfly type canopy. Is it a Dragonfly type or is it shaped like the old KR2 bubble? - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:51:12 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Canopy "Wayne DeLisle Sr." wrote: > > 3/8"?? Isn't that kind of heavy??? > > Also, I wonder what the tarrif is to import such parts from Canada.. > > WD > Hey even if the tariff is $100 that's still a great deal considering the exchange rate. Help me out here my friends from the Great White North but wouldn't that only be about $200 to $250 US? - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:43:23 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: RE: Great Plains leonard wrote: > > I believe you have the wrong address sorry. Leonard my man, you are on a mailing list and will get a copy of ALL the post to the list. I don't think it has anything to do with having the wrong address! :o) - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:29:17 EST From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: Re: KR: Canopy - ----Original Message Follows---- Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:47:58 -0800 From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Subject: Re: KR: Canopy Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com Jim Sellars wrote: > > Hello friends; I had a canopy built for me here in New Brunswick,by a local plastics fabricator. He will build you a canopy for $ 350. canadian.>>> Netters, I am from the Great White North and the easiest figure to use for the current exchange rate is $1.00 USD >>> $1.50 CAD, or if you prefer, $1.00 CAD = $0.66 USD. So, $350.00 + 100.00 (tariff) = $450.00 CAD >>> $297.00 USD (shipped) For approx. $300.00 USD you still have a great deal on a canopy. *** You may want to confirm the tariff on purchases from Canada. If I am not mistaken, there shouldn't be tariffs on aircraft parts. You may be required to pay Provincial Tax (varies) and Federal Goods and Services Tax (7%) on your purchases, but I think the Tariff Schedule for Importing/Exporting Aircraft Parts doesn't apply for US/Canada. Albert Pecoraro ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:35:09 -0600 From: "Robert Sauer" Subject: KR: Filler What is everyone using to fill the low spots on the tail, wing and upper fuselage fiberglass parts in order to sand to a smooth finish prior to final fill and sand? Any comments on wheel/brake assembly packages would be appreciated. Does anyone make an aluminum fuel tank in the 20 gal. range to fit under the foredeck? Bob (KR2S) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:58:00 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Filler Robert Sauer wrote: > > What is everyone using to fill the low spots on the tail, wing and upper > fuselage fiberglass parts in order to sand to a smooth finish prior to final fill and sand?>>> I have used micro (mixture of micro balloons and epoxy) in the past but I have since discovered Superfil and highly recommend it over micro. Its light, easy to mix, spreads easier than micro and can be sanded in 10 to 12 hours. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:37:57 -0500 From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR: Filler Robert Sauer wrote: > > What is everyone using to fill the low spots on the tail, wing and upper > fuselage fiberglass parts in order to sand to a smooth finish prior to final > fill and sand? If you want the cheapest solution, dry micro is the way to go, but only if you use the correct epoxy. I have been using AlphaPoxy for both dry micro and for making non-structural parts and some molds. It is relatively cheap, sands much easier than a structural epoxy and makes a decent micro mix. If you want a solution that is more expensive and a bit easier, SuperFil is a good produce. It weighs a tiny bit more than dry micro, but it is consistant and easy to work with. - -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:38:21 -0400 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR: Canopy You are right Albert, ever since the Free Trade agreement there are no tariffs on any aircraft parts, and there are no provincial duties due for exported products. That would be the case for all purchases now that the free trade agreement has been fully implimented. Frankly, friends in the US should consider that we in the north (your little brothers) have always spoken the same language, used the same currency names and calculations (only our dollars are littler) are very polite and friendly, and have property and the same techno skills as anyone else in North America. Fed Ex has it's international call centre in my town, as do many other companies. This represents a serious problem for me if I want to travel to the states because I must convert weak currency to strong. But for you who live in the states, it represents a huge advantage we don't resent. You are invited. Fresh air, friendly people, low cost, good fun. Maybe we should have the one after the next annual gathering in my part of the world. Regards; Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Albert Pecoraro To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: November 25, 1998 1:42 PM Subject: Re: KR: Canopy > > >----Original Message Follows---- >Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:47:58 -0800 >From: Micheal Mims >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: Re: KR: Canopy >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com > >Jim Sellars wrote: >> >> Hello friends; I had a canopy built for me here in New Brunswick,by a >local plastics fabricator. He will build you a canopy for $ 350. >canadian.>>> > >Netters, I am from the Great White North and the easiest figure to use >for the current exchange rate is $1.00 USD >>> $1.50 CAD, or if you >prefer, $1.00 CAD = $0.66 USD. > >So, $350.00 + 100.00 (tariff) = $450.00 CAD >>> $297.00 USD (shipped) > >For approx. $300.00 USD you still have a great deal on a canopy. > >*** You may want to confirm the tariff on purchases from Canada. If I am >not mistaken, there shouldn't be tariffs on aircraft parts. You may be >required to pay Provincial Tax (varies) and Federal Goods and Services >Tax (7%) on your purchases, but I think the Tariff Schedule for >Importing/Exporting Aircraft Parts doesn't apply for US/Canada. > >Albert Pecoraro > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:48:17 -0400 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR: Canopy Mike: This is a fabricator that could put ears on the thing if that is what you require. No charge. Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: November 25, 1998 11:58 AM Subject: Re: KR: Canopy >Jim Sellars wrote: >> >> Hello friends; I had a canopy built for me here in New Brunswick,by a local plastics fabricator. He will build you a canopy for $ 350. canadian.>>> > >Is there anyway you can post a picture to the net or email a picture to >someone who can? That would ba a great price for a Dragonfly type >canopy. Is it a Dragonfly type or is it shaped like the old KR2 bubble? > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:50:34 -0400 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR: Canopy Wayne: You're right it's not 3\8 it's 3\16 as compared to the 1\8 canopy thickness that is available from RR. Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Wayne DeLisle Sr. To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: November 25, 1998 11:32 AM Subject: Re: KR: Canopy >3/8"?? Isn't that kind of heavy??? > >Also, I wonder what the tarrif is to import such parts from Canada.. > >WD > > >At 10:19 AM 11/25/98 -0400, you wrote: >>Hello friends; I had a canopy built for me here in New Brunswick,by a local >>plastics fabricator. He will build you a canopy for $ 350. canadian. He >>builds them out of lexan at 3\8 inch thickness rather than the 1\4 inch that >>RR sells. If you would like to talk about this let me know. Regards; Jim >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Donald Reid >>To: krnet-l@teleport.com >>Date: November 16, 1998 11:10 PM >>Subject: Re: KR: Canopy >> >> >>>Richard Parker wrote: >>> >>>> I checked into the canopies. The dragonfly canopy is the same as used on >>>> the Vision, Pulsar, and 2 place Lancairs. Looks like the place in >>>> California will be selling us $20 worth of acrylic for $425. >>>> >>>> Again I'm in the wrong business >>> >>>If you have ever tried to make one from scratch, then you begin to >>>realize that $425 is a bargin. >>> >>>-- >>>Don Reid >>>Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com >>> KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm >>> Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html >>> >> >Wayne DeLisle Sr. >Email:support@sestar.net > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:45:09 -0400 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR: Canopy You right Mike!! furthermore, there are no tariffs between Canada and the US ever since the free trade agreement. Regards Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: November 25, 1998 12:02 PM Subject: Re: KR: Canopy >"Wayne DeLisle Sr." wrote: >> >> 3/8"?? Isn't that kind of heavy??? >> >> Also, I wonder what the tarrif is to import such parts from Canada.. >> >> WD >> > >Hey even if the tariff is $100 that's still a great deal considering the >exchange rate. Help me out here my friends from the Great White North >but wouldn't that only be about $200 to $250 US? > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:55:21 -0800 From: Micheal Mims Subject: Re: KR: Canopy Jim Sellars wrote: > You are invited. Fresh air, friendly people, low cost, good fun. Maybe we should have the one after the next annual gathering in my part of the world. Regards; Jim>>>> Now that is something I would really like look forward too! Seriously I would be willing to fly my Sky Pig up north next year (2000). You guys (Canadians) should pool together and come up with something. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:49:18 EST From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Canopy In a message dated 98-11-25 10:20:19 EST, you write: << Also, I wonder what the tarrif is to import such parts from Canada.. >> You tell the customs guy that it is a non commercial once per lifetime import and they will let it in without any duties. Atleast thats what happened to me with spar wood. Haris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 06:21:28 -0600 From: Bobby Muse Subject: Re: KR: Buying a Plane? At 04:52 PM 11/24/98 -0800, you wrote: >OK Gang... help me out.... I have this uncontrollable urge to >shop for a 4 place spam can. My wife says I can only have >one airplane. Uggh! > >The canopy latch sits unmade in the garage... > >Woe is me. > >-- Ross > >-- Shop for new wife. Joking!! But you could join some type of aeroclub or share/cost arrangement. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:33:42 -0500 From: "Ron Brown" Subject: Re: KR: Canopy >>>>Hello friends; I had a canopy built for me here in New Brunswick,by a local plastics fabricator. He will build you a canopy for $ 350. canadian. Hello Jim, I would be interested in finding out more about the canopies. Is there some flexibility in the Manufacturing process to accommodate a wider fuselage. Please mail me off the KR net. Thanks. Ron Brown rjbrown@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:10:17 EST From: AeroManx@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Buying a Plane? Option ONE Keep the wife Keep the KR. Forget the spammer Option TWO Buy a second KR fuselage kit. cut your existing fuselage behind the front seat. insert the cockpit assembly from the second KR kit behind the existing cockpit. Use the canopy bubble from a Skybolt. Remove everything forward of the firewall (Including the firewall) and mount it on the left wing. Take the firewall assemble from the second kit and mount it on the right wing. (Add apporpriate instrumentation for twin engines) Redesign the cowling from the second kit to form a foredeck nosecone so your feet dont get cold (somethings has to replace that missing firewall) Now call Rand and tell them youve just created the KR2+2s twin and want a percentage of the sales. Option THREE Lancair Kit - It would probably be less expensive and time consuming than Option TWo (and a lot safer) and still give you the satisfaction of building a kit Steve Majercik Callsign MANX ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:49:22 -0800 From: "John F. Esch" Subject: KR: Happy T-Day Happy Thanksgiving Day to all KRneters, and remember, to help burn off that Turkey calories, build that plane! John F. Esch KR-2SSW Salem, OR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:23:44 -0400 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR: Canopy Ron; Yes this fellow would build the canopy to accomodate you. My experience with this company is that they could build it anyway you want. Furthermore, when I got mine it required trimming of course so I think that I cut off what you would leave on for your wider fuselage. Regards Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Ron Brown To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: November 26, 1998 9:32 AM Subject: Re: KR: Canopy >>>>>Hello friends; I had a canopy built for me here in New Brunswick,by a >local >plastics fabricator. He will build you a canopy for $ 350. canadian. > >Hello Jim, >I would be interested in finding out more about the canopies. Is there some >flexibility in the Manufacturing process to accommodate a wider fuselage. >Please mail me off the KR net. >Thanks. >Ron Brown >rjbrown@tir.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:26:44 -0400 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR: Canopy Great suggestion Mike let me begin the thread to see if there is interest, look foreward to meeting. You would love a weekend or two in this part of the world in the summer, Regards JIm - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: November 25, 1998 8:06 PM Subject: Re: KR: Canopy >Jim Sellars wrote: >> You are invited. Fresh air, friendly people, low cost, good fun. Maybe we should have the one after the next annual gathering in my part of the world. Regards; Jim>>>> > >Now that is something I would really like look forward too! Seriously I >would be willing to fly my Sky Pig up north next year (2000). You guys >(Canadians) should pool together and come up with something. > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:29:21 -0400 From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR: Canopy Let me start the thread folks; If there is and interst in a Northern gathering I would highly recommend New Brunswick. Great lobster, friendly people, cheap as a consequence of the exchange rate.I would be honored to act as Host. Let's talk about it. Regards Jim - -----Original Message----- From: Micheal Mims To: krnet-l@teleport.com Date: November 25, 1998 8:06 PM Subject: Re: KR: Canopy >Jim Sellars wrote: >> You are invited. Fresh air, friendly people, low cost, good fun. Maybe we should have the one after the next annual gathering in my part of the world. Regards; Jim>>>> > >Now that is something I would really like look forward too! Seriously I >would be willing to fly my Sky Pig up north next year (2000). You guys >(Canadians) should pool together and come up with something. > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building ailerons and firewall now >mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Irvine Ca >Fax 949.856.9417 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:29:40 EST From: SRMAKISH@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Subaru NSI ignition failure If it is the electromotive system, I can get parts for it. srmakish@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 20:10:26 EST From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: KR: Re: Northern Gathering Netters, It's "Albert the Canuck" again. I'm originally from Windsor, Ontario, Canada (but I am now in Grand Rapids, Michigan on a work visa - thanks to NAFTA!) and I have to agree with Jim about his recommendation for a northern gathering in New Brunswick. Although I have never been to the maritime provinces I hear many good things said about the people you will meet and the places you can see. The East Coast of Canada has a rich history that goes back to the first French and English explorers to North America after Columbus' maiden voyage. The French from Brittany and Normandy settled quite extensively in that area as well as people from Ireland and Scotland. (Jim - Correct me if I am inaccurate). The geography and climate are also favourable for such an event as a KR gathering. And yes, you CAN'T beat the seafood from that area! Another thing - Jim mentioned friendly people ... most of what I heard about the maritimes was the warmth and hospitality of the people and how easy it is to make friends. So, netters, whaddya say about a gatherin' in New Brunswick, eh? Albert - ------ Let me start the thread folks; If there is and interst in a Northern gathering I would highly recommend New Brunswick. Great lobster, friendly people, cheap as a consequence of the exchange rate.I would be honored to act as Host. Let's talk about it. Regards Jim >> You are invited. Fresh air, friendly people, low cost, good fun. Maybe we should have the one after the next annual gathering in my part of the world. Regards; Jim>>>> > >Now that is something I would really like look forward too! Seriously I >would be willing to fly my Sky Pig up north next year (2000). You guys >(Canadians) should pool together and come up with something. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 10:28:09 -0600 (CST) From: norco-1@webtv.net (dick nordby) Subject: Re: KR: Re: Northern Gathering Please take me off your mail list. Thank you, Dick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 10:28:56 -0600 (CST) From: norco-1@webtv.net (dick nordby) Subject: Re: KR: Re: Northern Gathering I said, please take me off your mail list. Dick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 10:29:44 -0600 (CST) From: norco-1@webtv.net (dick nordby) Subject: Re: KR: Re: Northern Gathering What, are you fucking blind. I said, take me off your mail list. Dick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 08:52:47 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: Northern Gathering dick nordby wrote: > What, are you fucking blind. > I said, take me off your mail list. > > Dick Look dude you have to take yourself off the list! If you didn't keep your instructions to show you how then go to http://www.krnet.org/ and figure it out. You signed yourself up so take yourself off! This is a family mailing list so please do not use profanity. - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 08:59:42 -0800 From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR: Re: Northern Gathering dick nordby wrote: > > What, are you *&%$@#!* blind. > I said, take me off your mail list. > > Dick At least your first name fits! Look mister vocabulary you have to take yourself off the list. Go to http://www.krnet.org/ if you don't remember how and try to figure it out. Although I get this feeling you wont be able too. So Mr. "Dick" if you have anything else to say please send it directly to me and not to the list as this is a family mailing list and profanity is not an option. PS Gee wish I could have shared Thanksgiving in your household! - -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@pacbell.net http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Irvine Ca Fax 949.856.9417 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 10:00:21 -0700 (MST) From: Robert Covington Subject: Re: KR: Re: Northern Gathering >Look dude you have to take yourself off the list! If you didn't keep >your instructions to show you how then go to http://www.krnet.org/ and >figure it out. You signed yourself up so take yourself off! This is a >family mailing list so please do not use profanity. >Micheal Mims You tell em dude. Exactly. Web TV huh, maybe the internet isn't to be for the crude masses. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 11:43:32 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: KR: People complaining about being subscribed to various lists It would appear that someone is going around subscribing unsuspecting/uninterested people to various lists. 4 of the 5 lists that I'm subscribed to have got people asking to be unsubscribed, usually in a very nasty manor. WD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:15:14 -0500 From: msharkey@softarc.com (Mike Sharkey) Subject: KR: Building a Hangar >Dick There's one in every crowd! :( On another topic. I'm currently making plans for building my hangar/workshop in the spring. My original plan was to build it from scratch from a plan book. I scrapped that idea in favour of a "pre-fab" farm structure from the local hardware/builder supply outlet. It's a basic 42'x48' structure, tin sides, and galvanized roof. I intend on heating a fully enclosed workshop area inside. The remainder of the space, my intention is to leave uninsulated and unheated with the exception of perhaps a "jet" heater for when I'm actively working in the larger area (I'm in a somewhat Northern climate). My concern is with moisture, in particular, the possibility of contensation forming on the inside of the tin roof and dripping down onto my project and tools and stuff. I don't really know that much about these kinds of structures. Is this even a concern? Someone told me that this would be a potential problem. How do others solve this kind of problem? What I'm looking for is something I can do preemtively in order to avoid such problems in the first place. Thanks in advance. Mike Sharkey http://www.softarc.com/~msharkey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:36:13 -0500 From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: Re: KR: Building a Hangar At 12:15 PM 11/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>On another topic. I'm currently making plans for building my hangar/workshop in
>the spring. My original plan was to build it from scratch from a plan book. I
>scrapped that idea in favour of a "pre-fab" farm structure from the local
>hardware/builder supply outlet. It's a basic 42'x48' structure, tin sides, and
>galvanized roof. I intend on heating a fully enclosed workshop area inside. The
>remainder of the space, my intention is to leave uninsulated and unheated with
>the exception of perhaps a "jet" heater for when I'm actively working in the
>larger area (I'm in a somewhat Northern climate). My concern is with moisture,
>in particular, the possibility of contensation forming on the inside of the tin
>roof and dripping down onto my project and tools and stuff. I don't really know
>that much about these kinds of structures. Is this even a concern? Someone told
>me that this would be a potential problem. How do others solve this kind of
>problem? What I'm looking for is something I can do preemtively in order to
>avoid such problems in the first place.

Hello Mike,

If you run any combustion heater, you will have a condensation/frost problem, the
severity will depend on how much you heat, and how cold it gets.

My brother, who lives in SE Michigan ran into this problem with his first metal building.
His latest, he insulated with the foil faced roll insulation made especially for metal
pole buildings.  No problems with it.

WD
Wayne DeLisle Sr.
E-mail:support@sestar.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 12:46:06 EST From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR: Building a Hangar In a message dated 11/27/98 11:14:55 AM, you wrote: <> Some of the hangers around here (the prefab metal ones) use sealed battens of insulation held in place with chicken wire (designed specifically for prefab metal buildings). I think it's roughly 24 in. width and comes in large rolls. Any sort of insulation should solve the problem of condensation. Another cheaper option would be to use a "tent" of vapor barrier to protect the area directly underneath. You'd need to make sure that there was an unsealed airspace between the metal roof and the vapor barrier. Any condensation should simply drip from the roof onto the vapor barrier and roll down (assuming the metal roof has some pitch to it). A flat roof with very little pitch might cause pooling on the vapor barrier. Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:43:47 -0600 From: "Brian J. Bland" Subject: KR: Dick Norby is gone!!!! I just deleted Dick Norby off of KRnet. I am attempting to help Ross with some of the admin duties so I guess that was a good way to get started. Brian J Bland Claremore, OK Mail to: bbland@gateway.net http://www.flight2000.com/hangar/KR-2S/ ------------------------------ End of krnet-l-digest V2 #188 *****************************