From: jfdewet@intekom.co.za[SMTP:jfdewet@intekom.co.za] on behalf of KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 6:20 AM To: 'KR-net users group' Subject: RE: [kr-net] South African KRGuy KR-net users group Digest for Friday, December 11, 1998. 1. Re:South African KRGuy 2. Re: Tools List for Beginners ... 3. Re: Tools List for Beginners ... 4. Re: Tools List for Beginners ... 5. Re:Donation mail address & New KR items for sale 6. Re: KRNet $$ 7. FW: Re: prop and valve adjustments 8. RE: South African KRGuy 9. Re:South African KRGuy 10. Re: Tools List for Beginners ... 11. Re: Tools List for Beginners ... 12. Re: Tools List for Beginners ... 13. Re: Tools List for Beginners ...(joke) 14. Re: Tools List for Beginners ...(joke) 15. Re: prop and valve adjustments 16. Re: Info on COMPU-FIRE 17. clamps 18. Mims' web page URL 19. Re: Tools List for Beginners ...(joke) 20. RE: stick article 21. Re: KR-2S Spars 22. Re: Mims' web page URL 23. Re: KR2S Plans 24. Re: Tools List for Beginners ... 25. Clamps and saws 26. Re: Clamps and saws 27. Re: Clamps and saws ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:South African KRGuy From: Robert Covington Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 02:43:36 -0700 (MST) X-Message-Number: 1 >Folks: > >I think we have a new builder joining us soon. Ko Bus, how about sending him >a howdy. I think he is in your neck of the world. > >Randy Stein >Soviet Monica, CA > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ><To: BSHADR@aol.com > >Hi Randy > >My name is Dene Collett and am living in Port Elizabeth South Africa Ah, that's just Dr. Dean on vacation. ;) >>"Dean Collette" << Couldn't help but notice the 1 degree of separation there. :) Robert Covington ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tools List for Beginners ... From: "Richard Parker" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:05:57 PST X-Message-Number: 2 So far all I needed to buy was dozen 2.5 inch jaw opening spring clamps from the harware store at $2.00 each. I used rubber bands and a stapler to put in the gussets. Make sure you hit Mike Mims page as well. I think his pics show you pretty much what you'll need for each element. Austin Clark also made up cam clamps from scrap wood and drywall screws for laying up the side member on the table. I used that idea and it worked great. you can make up 4 or 5 dozen in half an hour If you have a scroll or band saw. (if you dont have one get one) my scroll saw has been a godsend. I used it to cut all the 5/8 x 5/8 stock,gussets, Mahog ply, airfoil templates etc. Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm >From: "Albert Pecoraro" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Tools List for Beginners ... >Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:26:53 EST >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > >Netters, > > I am preparing to start my KR2-S project and I am taking an inventory >of the (basic) tools required for the project. The main concern I have >is with clamps: how many different types of clamps and how many of each >type should I have at my disposal (i.e. C-clamp, Spring, Long-bar, Vise, >etc)? I am using the list in the info-pack as a general guideline but I >would like to have a more detailed and enumerated list. I don't want to >be caught in a situation where I'm halfway through gluing members >together and I turn around to reach for a clamp and end up with a >handful of air! ;-) Nor do I want to go on a silly spree and buy more >than I adequately need. I want to keep the project "economical" but not >sacrifice "quality", if you catch my drift. ;-) > > I have seen some photos of people using cement bags & sand-filled >plastic bottles for the application of weight during certain phases of >construction ... I think that is clever, so I think I'm going to do that >also (very economical!) > > If anyone knows of a Tools List that may have circulated in the past >or if anyone can offer suggestions on my "Clamp" concern I would greatly >appreciate it. > >Thanks in advance! > >Albert Pecoraro > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tools List for Beginners ... From: "Richard Parker" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:08:30 PST X-Message-Number: 3 Geez youre gonna scare people off. I did all that with a tenth of the tools you've got. Rich parker >From: HAshraf@aol.com >Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:28:04 EST >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Re: Tools List for Beginners ... >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > >Albert, > >You can never have too much clamps. That being said I share with you my >experience. I am 75% done with the boat and have planned out my spars. My >inventory of clamps is as follows. > >C-Clamps > Type Number > 1.5" 8 > 2" 6 > 3" 2 > >Bar clamps: > >Similar to Jorgenson clamps but cooler looking (and too expensive to be worth >it) with yellow plastic cover over jaws. > > Type Number > 6" 2 > 8" 2 > 12" 2 > 36" 2 (used only one. one is still packed) > >Spring clamps (all plastic) > > Type Number > 2" 4 ($1.98 at Home depot) > 3" 6 ($4.95 at sears) > >Spring clamps (metal with plastic tips) > 2" 12 (really cheap $0.50 from 'Tool Man' at Sun&Fun. I >wish I had > bought more) > >Then, I bought some 3/8" threaded rod and hard wood (Oak) and made some >myself. I already had a tap and a matching drill. These are: > > 36" 2 > 24" 4 (can be used as two 48" clamps with a coupler) > 12" 4 > >I also use assorted carriage bolts and regular bolts to fasten stuff together >with 2x2 wood pieces. > >I stapled all the skins and they came out fine. Uptil now I did not have to >use any weights. > >Buy a compound electric miter saw. It will save you a lot of time. If I had an >option of buying only one power tool I would have bought that ($115 at >builders square). > >Haris Ashraf > > > > > > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tools List for Beginners ... From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:22:24 -0800 X-Message-Number: 4 HAshraf@aol.com wrote: > > Buy a compound electric miter saw. It will save you a lot of time. If I had an > option of buying only one power tool I would have bought that ($115 at > builders square). > > Haris Ashraf I think this miter saw would be a MUST have item (Having not had one on my project...) -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Donation mail address & New KR items for sale From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:25:36 -0800 X-Message-Number: 5 thomas_marcella@uml.edu wrote: > > i am looking at a picture of the reece daniel kr2 in the > march 1994 issue of kitplanes. it looks as if it has a one > piece flap which extends under the fuselage. am i seeing > right? Does anyone have any knowledge of this aircraft? > also, where do i send my $10 krnet membership fee? > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com Thomas, Whoops. I thought I put the address in the "Welcome" message. Send your $10 donations to: KR-net users group c/o Ross Youngblood 1109 NE Burke Pl Corvallis, OR 97330 We are paid up until next year, so the whining for donations won't start until next summer. Also Warron Gray just sent me an example KR wings pin and a KR pendant. These are terrific. I hope to get photos taken and put these up on the web so folks can purchase them through me or Warron on KR-net. A portion of the purchase will support the net. Warron, in your package you didn't say how much these were to be sold for... -- Ross -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KRNet $$ From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:36:55 -0800 X-Message-Number: 6 BSHADR@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 98-12-11 00:41:40 EST, Thomas wrote: > > << where do i send my $10 krnet membership fee? >> > > Ouch! A live one. Quick Ross, hold your grubby palm out. > > Thomas, send your generous donation to: > > Ross Youngblood > 1109 NE Burke Place > Corvallis, OR 97330 > > Ross is one hard working dude, not to mention his two assistant den mothers > Brian and TP Oscar. > > Thanks for the donations. > > Randy (Whinemaster) Stein > Soviet Monica, CA > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: FW: Re: prop and valve adjustments From: Kobus de Wet Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:39:59 +0200 X-Message-Number: 7 William Shakespeare said. "Neither lender nor borrower be". I did not listen and now my manual is with someone else. But if remember correctly the setting for the hydraulic valve lifters are you turn the lifter adjustment until the touch the valve and then one quarter turn back. Kobus de Wet Cape Town, South Africa GMT + 2.00 http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ ---------- From: Kobus de Wet[SMTP:jfdewet@intekom.co.za] Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 23:11 To: 'KR-net users group' Subject: RE: [kr-net] Re: prop and valve adjustments I run a 2Lt. type V and have a book on the set-up of the hydraulic valve settings. The book is in the workshop at the moment (23:10 local) tomorrow I will get the book out and send you the instructions. Regards Kobus de Wet Cape Town, South Africa GMT + 2.00 http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ ---------- From: DClarke351@aol.com[SMTP:DClarke351@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 19:29 To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Re: prop and valve adjustments I was instructed by my wooden prop maker to torque it from 10 to 14 ft lbs. If your engine has hydraulic lifter it is not supposed to be adjustable. Hop-e this helps --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jfdewet@intekom.co.za To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: South African KRGuy From: Kobus de Wet Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:20:40 +0200 X-Message-Number: 8 Done. Kobus de Wet Cape Town, South Africa GMT + 2.00 http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw/ ---------- From: BSHADR@aol.com[SMTP:BSHADR@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 09:27 To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] South African KRGuy Folks: I think we have a new builder joining us soon. Ko Bus, how about sending him a howdy. I think he is in your neck of the world. Randy Stein Soviet Monica, CA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <> --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jfdewet@intekom.co.za To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:South African KRGuy From: "Dean Collette" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:33:28 -0600 X-Message-Number: 9 >>Hi Randy >> >>My name is Dene Collett and am living in Port Elizabeth South Africa > > > >Ah, that's just Dr. Dean on vacation. ;) > >>>"Dean Collette" << > > >Couldn't help but notice the 1 degree of separation there. :) > >Robert Covington > It can't be me on vacation - 'cause I never get a vacation! Just going by name alone - I bet he is good looking, very smart, and the ladies swoon at his feet . . . Dean (I guess I'm not the only one) Collette. drdean@execpc.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tools List for Beginners ... From: "Albert Pecoraro" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:16:22 EST X-Message-Number: 10 Haris, Thank you for sharing your experience regarding the clamps and the special tools. This will really help me when budgeting for this purchase ... thanks for itemizing everything! ;-) Albert Pecoraro ----Original Message Follows---- From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:28:04 EST To: "KR-net users group" Subject: [kr-net] Re: Tools List for Beginners ... Reply-To: "KR-net users group" Albert, You can never have too much clamps. That being said I share with you my experience. I am 75% done with the boat and have planned out my spars. My inventory of clamps is as follows. C-Clamps Type Number 1.5" 8 2" 6 3" 2 Bar clamps: Similar to Jorgenson clamps but cooler looking (and too expensive to be worth it) with yellow plastic cover over jaws. Type Number 6" 2 8" 2 12" 2 36" 2 (used only one. one is still packed) Spring clamps (all plastic) Type Number 2" 4 ($1.98 at Home depot) 3" 6 ($4.95 at sears) Spring clamps (metal with plastic tips) 2" 12 (really cheap $0.50 from 'Tool Man' at Sun&Fun. I wish I had bought more) Then, I bought some 3/8" threaded rod and hard wood (Oak) and made some myself. I already had a tap and a matching drill. These are: 36" 2 24" 4 (can be used as two 48" clamps with a coupler) 12" 4 I also use assorted carriage bolts and regular bolts to fasten stuff together with 2x2 wood pieces. I stapled all the skins and they came out fine. Uptil now I did not have to use any weights. Buy a compound electric miter saw. It will save you a lot of time. If I had an option of buying only one power tool I would have bought that ($115 at builders square). Haris Ashraf --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: apec97@hotmail.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tools List for Beginners ... From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:04:19 EST X-Message-Number: 11 In a message dated 98-12-11 11:02:15 EST, you write: << Geez youre gonna scare people off. I did all that with a tenth of the tools you've got. Rich parker >> You are right in that there may be an overkill here. My problem is that I can only work on my airplane every other weekend. Weekday drive is 3 hours both ways. In mild desperation I keep buying these tools to make my time more efficient and the project go more faster. In all fairness to me if someone goes to Mark Langfords home page, which I consider required reading for any new builder, s/he will see way more clamps then I had listed. Coming back to to my tool chest, I think I forget to mention the electronic calipers that measure 0.0001" and laser level that is accurate to 1 arc second:-). That would be really scare people off. Pun aside, my experience is that having more clamps will make things easier and more accurate. Haris Ashraf ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tools List for Beginners ... From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:08:43 EST X-Message-Number: 12 You are welcome. Do not hesitate to ask any questions that might arise later. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tools List for Beginners ...(joke) From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:05:06 EST X-Message-Number: 13 In a message dated 98-12-11 12:52:54 EST, you write: << I think this miter saw would be a MUST have item (Having not had one on my project...) >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tools List for Beginners ...(joke) From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:06:20 EST X-Message-Number: 14 In a message dated 98-12-11 12:52:54 EST, you write: << I think this miter saw would be a MUST have item (Having not had one on my project...) >> Sorry for the empty mail. Joke wasn't good anyway Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: prop and valve adjustments From: "bennett family" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 98 11:54:39 PST X-Message-Number: 15 Jesse. Rocker arm clearance for solid lifters is .006". Type 1,2 and 3 engines used solid lifters as far as I know. If you have hydraulic lif= ters you must also have the compatible camshaft as you can't combine the = two. INSTALLATION OF WOODEN PROPELLERS. Check that the propeller fits firmly, without force being necessary. If the bolts are a tight fit, removal of finish in the holes may be all = that is necessary. The centre spigot, should be a firm fit. If too tight contact prop manuf= acturer. RECCOMMENDED TORQUE LOADINGS 5\16 bolts 125 - 140 inch pounds 3\8 bolts 200 +\- 10 inch pounds Torque bolts crosswise. Different torque up to 30 in lb may be used on one side only to correct = track which should be within 2mm at the trailing edge, 100mm (4") from = tip. Do not use any shimming material or paper to correct track. Check torque after first flight, after 25 hrs and thereafter every 50 hrs= . Divide torque values by 12 to get foot pounds. ---------- > Jesse, > Buy Steve Bennetts book for about $10 or so, it will have your > VW tune up specs in it. I have this, and also cross checked it > with the VW manual. As I recall the VW manual and the book agree > for the most part. > > I believe the rocker arm clearance is set COLD and is around .07-.08mm = > or somthing like that... Someone please confirm this stuff as I don't > have my VW stuff here... it's at the hangar. > > My memory thinks that the prop torque was discussed here a while back > and 12# was the number that sticks in my mind. Again, this is somthing > I put in my propellor log then promptly forgot. I wouldn't bet the far= m > on this. If no-one posts the correct answer, I will run out to the > hangar > and look them up. > > > -- Regards > Ross > > Jesse Klebsch wrote: > > > > Can anyone tell me how much to torque the wooden prop on my KR, it > > doesn't have a name, only the size written on it. > > > > Also, the rocker arms are adjustable and the lifters are hydraulic = on my > > 1835 vw, how are they supposed to be set? Please forgive my ignoranc= e > > as i'm rather new at this. > > > > Thanks, > > Jesse Klebsch > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-18278L@telelists.co= m > > -- > Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 > Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 > Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 > Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: benfam@picknowl.com.au > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Info on COMPU-FIRE From: "bennett family" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 98 12:12:36 PST X-Message-Number: 16 R.W Moore. The easiest and most simple Compufire available in my opinion is the Com= pufire 100. Simply remove the points and condenser from your Bosch 009 or 050 distrib= utor and replace them with a very small Hall effect type sensor which will trigger a 6v or 12 volt ign= ition coil. The only draw back is that a small blister is required on your top cowl, however you can = get 90 degree dizzie caps from Steve Bennett which reduces the vertical height considerably over the standard cap. = I have installed one in my KR-2 and virtually every person who has seen = it reckons that the tear drop style blister looks great. A friend of = mine is building a Dragonfly and is also fitting a Compufire 100 to his = engine. As he is not so far advanced with his engine he has fitted the = Compufire 100 into his beetle, he reports that it operates flawlessly. = The price was about $50 I think. ---------- > COMPU-FIRE has a web site, but if you do a web search you will only fin= d > some > VW and Harley applications for their products. > > They are engine electronics Inc in Southern California. However the = web > site > doesn't have much in the way of info, your best bet would be Steve > Bennetts > catalog or a couple of HOT VW back issues. However the HOT VW supplier= s > don't > mention the distributor extension kit and or the tach adaptor wiring > kit, which > you may need if you want to use a Tach, or mount the unit on the > firewall. > > Ask for these if you call a VW supplier, they may be able to get them > for you, > or you can contact Engine Electronics. (Sorry I don't have the phone = #) > > > -- Regards > Ross > > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > > R. W. Moore wrote: > > > > >Where do you but the Compu-fire and what do it cost? > -- > Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 > Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 > Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 > Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: benfam@picknowl.com.au > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: clamps From: "Mark Langford" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:46:10 -0000 X-Message-Number: 17 Haris wrote: >In all fairness to me if someone >goes to Mark Langfords home page, s/he will see way more clamps then I had listed. Can't have enough clamps. Happens only in the movies. I have about 12 of the large spring clamps (Pony, I thin), about 10 Pony pipe clamps, 6 Jorgensen clamps, and a few C-clamps, and a bunch of large binder clamps (I'm not proud). My other vote would be for the compound electric miter saw too. A band saw (or scroll saw) comes in real handy to for cutting out airfoil template and control fittings and hinges. Don't be afraid to borrow somebody's table saw and drill press when you need it. You just can't cut wing spars out with a band saw, circular saw, or jig saw. You can try, but you more than likely will be waiting on the UPS man when you get finished... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Mims' web page URL From: "Mark Langford" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:48:48 -0000 X-Message-Number: 18 I'm at work restoring a few Gigabytes of our project (after the inevitable server hard disk crash) and had a few minutes to surf rather than watching the cute little files float across the screen from one folder to another. I noticed that just about everybody that has a link to Mike's web page has his old link (me included). It's now http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ , so go fix 'em guys. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tools List for Beginners ...(joke) From: AeroManx@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:57:41 EST X-Message-Number: 19 I work in Bioengineering - a micro electronics field. Our running gag is that anything can be fixed witha Sawz-All (tm) and a Hilti(tm). Does the same thing go here? Steve Majercik, Ph.D. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: stick article From: "Richard Parker" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:24:30 PST X-Message-Number: 20 they are still huge. >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >From: "Mark Langford" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] RE: stick article >Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:35:01 -0600 > >I posted these URLs yesterday, and they somehow got screwed up on the way to >the server. They're crystal clear now, however, and worth the download >time... > >http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/stick1.gif and >http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/stick2.gif > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2S Spars From: Mike Mims Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:31:08 -0800 X-Message-Number: 21 Martin Mulvey wrote: > << cavities between the ribs.>>> > Not saying that it shouldn't be done (yes mine are drilled to vent) but I have had bags of chips, peanuts, cans of pop, etc. up to 15,000 feet and have not had a structural failure yet. :o) For some reason I have a hard time believing that the pressure differential at 10k feet will cause the spars to burst but then again I aint no engineer I only play one on KRnet. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Mims' web page URL From: Mike Mims Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:42:37 -0800 X-Message-Number: 22 Mark Langford wrote: > <<< I noticed that just about everybody that has a link to Mike's web page > has his old link (me included). > > It's now http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ , so go fix 'em > guys.>>>> That's where its at all right! My old ISP was supposed to keep my old site up until Jan. But I guess when I told them I changed ISPs to get better server access they took offense and cut me off on the spot! Maybe it was the comment I threw in about the new cable modem being so darn fast I need a new processor in my PC! Man this T2 really kicks butt. I downloaded Netscape 4.5 in about 30 seconds. Yee Haa! (Yes it was cached on the proxy but thats still fast) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2S Plans From: AeroManx@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:31:01 EST X-Message-Number: 23 I know you guys already have a set, but if you know of anyone who is looking for a KR2S plan set, I have mine for sale. I have had to abandon my KR project. Ill let them go for best offer over 200$ Thanks Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tools List for Beginners ... From: "WARRON GRAY" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:59:36 -0500 X-Message-Number: 24 -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker To: KR-net users group Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 11:00 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Tools List for Beginners ... Ijust made my wife hold the stuff together till it hardened, made for long separations ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Clamps and saws From: "Dean Collette" Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:26:01 -0600 X-Message-Number: 25 I agree with Mark - can't have enough clamps. Home Depot sells these black, plastic spring clamps made by Wolfcraft. The jaws open about 3 inches or so and the feet are angle-adjustable. These things are great. I have about 16 of them, and yes, I have used them all at once - several times. The best part about them is that they sell for about $2.00 each. I have a scroll saw and a band saw - the scroll saw sits under the bench collecting all of the sawdust from the bandsaw. The nice thing about the bandsaw is that is also cuts aluminum angle and channel very easily. If there is one tool in my shop that I would never part with, it would have to be the disc / belt sander. Mine is a Delta (about $115, uses a 6" disc and a 4x36" belt.) When it came time to make all of those little gussets - the disc part work like a charm. I tried to do 'em with the miter saw, but I spent more time horsing around trying to get the angles right then I did building the plane. The disc allows you to adjust those gussets so that they fit perfectly, and each one only takes a few minutes. I also made all of my scarf joints (spar webs,) angled (not taper) the HS, elevator, and VS / rudder spars, and smoothed the cut edges of all the aluminum parts, just to name a few things. Best tool I ever bought. Dean mailto:drdean@execpc.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Clamps and saws From: Robert Covington Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:28:27 -0700 (MST) X-Message-Number: 26 >If there is one tool in my shop that I would never part with, it would have >to be the disc / belt sander. Mine is a Delta (about $115, uses a 6" disc >and a 4x36" belt.) When it came time to make all of those little gussets - >the disc part work like a charm. > >Dean >mailto:drdean@execpc.com If the doom sayers in my EAA chapter are correct, your plane is going to fall apart because you stuck little particles of wood into the wood pores when you sanded them, and now the glue can't/won't hold. And I bet you didn't vacuum it out or apply tape to the wood to get it out of there either. :) If I had the luxury of building on my own without RV'ers and the EAA around to either kill my spirit or make me paranoid at every step, I would have had my plane at Mike Mim's stage long ago, and it would be plenty airworthy all the same. Can't wait to move, coming soon, probably in January, and look forward to going into the (private) shop like the guy in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, and coming out with my own Paragon Panther a short while later. :) I guess being an artist, I need privacy to create things other than paintings, too. Robert Covington "Vern, why you got 4 engines on that KR?" "3 are decoys." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Clamps and saws From: "Dean Collette" Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:08:19 -0600 X-Message-Number: 27 >If the doom sayers in my EAA chapter are correct, your plane is going to >fall apart because you stuck little particles of wood into the wood pores >when you sanded them, and now the glue can't/won't hold. And I bet you >didn't vacuum it out or apply tape to the wood to get it out of there >either. :) >Robert Covington Yeah, I had heard some of the same crap that you did. Everything got a shot from the air compressor prior to meeting the epoxy - just because it's easy to do, and I'd rather not argue with my Tech rep. BUT, if you read some of the old stuff (circa 40's and early 50's) they used sawdust for a filler like we use flox today. If you think about it a bit, it's not such a bad idea either. Sawdust is primarily cellulose and so is cotton flocking. They are a little different at the macro-molecular level - but not very much. In fact, the next time you have a little extra glue left over - throw some sawdust in there, and mix it up. Once it has cured the stuff is like cement. Technically speaking, if you floxed all of the joints, they would, in fact, be slightly weaker than if you just epoxied them due to the filler getting in the way of the bonds that form between the epoxy and the wood. But, it would take hundreds of test pieces to statistically prove the difference. The bottom line is that is really isn't worth worrying about (but I still blew them out!) Dean mailto:drdean@execpc.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com