From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Friday, December 18, 1998 12:10 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: December 17, 1998 KR-net users group Digest for Thursday, December 17, 1998. 1. Re: T-88 2. Re: Turbocharging article 3. Re: Motivation at an all time low! 4. Sky Pig Fly-In 5. Re: Motivation at an all time low! 6. Re: Builders Logs 7. Re: Turbocharging article - NOT! 8. Lack of Progress 9. Re: Turbocharging article - NOT! 10. Re: Turbocharging article - NOT! 11. Pc sims 12. Re: Turbocharging article - NOT! 13. Re: Sky Pig Fly-In 14. Re: Flight Test Area 15. Re: [kr-net]Builders Work habits 16. Re: [kr-net]Builders Work habits 17. Re:Builders Work habits ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: T-88 From: William Thelen Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:51:37 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1 One word of caution on the radient heater. It works great for glue joints but should NOT be used to heat a workshop for glassing. I did this on a canoe I built. Very bad things happen when hot spots occur. Good thing I wasn't building a wing. Just my 2 cents. Thanks, Bill Thelen Ross Youngblood wrote: > Trent, > I know that for oak flooring they want you to keep it in the house for one > week > to adjust to the new environment before laying the planks. Don't know if this > applies to spruce. > > I would buy a RADIENT heater. I purchased one of these for about $70.00 > and it kept the temperature of the shop warm enough overnight to keep the > curing going. For HEXEL structural adheasive, they say remove clamps > in 24 hours, but doesn't develop full strength for 7 days. > > > T.Flemming wrote: > > > I am fixing to epoxy my center spar caps together. The temp range according > > to T-88 is above 50 F. The temps here have been around 60 F during the > > afternoon, but getting down to about 35 F at night. Does anyone have a > > suggestion on how long the Temp needs to stay above 50 F before using T-88. > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Turbocharging article From: "Mark Langford" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:24:50 -0000 X-Message-Number: 2 >I recall seeing the article Dan D wrote on flying his turbocharged VW a number >of years ago. I would like to locate a copy. Does anybody have it posted on >a website? Randy, That article is on Mike Mims' web page, or at least it was not too long ago. Check for it there. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Motivation at an all time low! From: "Richard Parker" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 04:45:14 PST X-Message-Number: 3 >In a message dated 98-12-16 02:56:32 EST, you write: > ><< On a positive note the temps are supposed to be up in the 70s this Saturday Those temps would be real motivating for me. I'm not going to see those temps again until May! 19'F and about to snow here. My tail is glassed and I was hoping to do the decks before it got cold. Looks like this boat is going to remain a boat for another 5 months. I'm digging into engines to stay motivated. The socket wrenches sure are cold though. Mike, if I ever get around to sending you that landing gear will it do anything to pick you up? Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Sky Pig Fly-In From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:56:47 PST X-Message-Number: 4 Oh baby! I can see it now: the new logo for the Sky Pig Fly-In will be a red pig with an apple in its mouth, with wings, screaming down out of the sky. Just take the existing logo and 'morph' the red KR into the new caricature! Robert Covington did the elaborate artwork on the now-ubiquitous logo, so I can't help with the new one except to dream. I do want to announce to one and all that my cashier's check was received in Florida by Tom Andersen, and that he has carefully crated up an 1835 VW to send to me, complete with KR mount, baffling, exhaust pipes, carburetion, etc. etc.- in complete and running condition built up from a Great Plains conversion, and with about 5 hrs. running time on it. Am I stoked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep your 290, Mike! Now I will have my very own engine to listen to. Ordering a prop _now_ so I can do some test stand running. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Motivation at an all time low! From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:18:12 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 Ace Aircraft, Inc. is looking for an A&P machanic. How about comming to live in NE Georgia Call Bill Wood President 706-886-6341 or email @ aceair@toccoa.com Please repost. R. W. Moore -----Original Message----- From: Jaccoo@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 5:07 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Motivation at an all time low! >Mike >I wish I had your problem. I've been here on the side reading the mail for >about two months and this is the first time I've replied to any mail. I'm at >the point of dreaming, hoping, planning, and trying to find another job so I >can afford to order plans and materials to build a KR-2S. I havent even flown >since 1985, when I was medically grounded by the Army. I was flying Cobras >and Hueys then, although my 4400 hours is almost equally divided between fixed >and rotary wing. Ever since I was grounded I have thought about flying again >but never very seriously until recently when I got an opportunity to bootleg >an hour of time in a Blackhawk (Army UH-60 helicopter) simulator. It was new >experience for me, never had I flown a Blackhawk nor had I flown a visual >simulator, but it lite a spark and gave me new motivation to get started >flying again. I've always wanted to build an experimental high performance >plane so picking up a Kit Plane and cruising the internet, I came upon the >KR-2 and this net which also keeps me fired up. I'm 54 years old and no time >to waste. I think what you need to do is to fly in a KR as soon as possible >to get fired up again. You need to finish Sky Pig so you can give others a >reason to move on with their projects. Who knows in a year or two I may need >a ride in your plane to fan the fire again. Can anybody on the net get mike a >ride in a KR or at least buss his hanger? > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Builders Logs From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:16:33 -0700 X-Message-Number: 6 Hi, Does anyone have or know someone that has a Cont C85 or 0-200 builder engine for sale. Please contact me Thanks, Rod Kelso rbk@orci.com ---------- > From: Jeffrey E Scott > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Builders Logs > Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 8:10 PM > > I faithfully wrote in my builders log as I went to bed every night. Upon > inspection, they DAR didn't even peek at either the builders log or the > photo album. He listened for me to mention the magic 51% statement, gave > the plane a decent inspection, spent a fair amount of time reviewing FAA > paperwork with me, then split with $$ in hand. > > Of course the details are up to every individual DAR, but I have never > heard of anyone getting hung up over the lack of builders logs or > building documentation. Their prime concern is with the required > papaerwork you'll get from your local FSDO or GADO office. > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html > http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > > On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:39:52 CST "Rex Ellington" > writes: > >G'Day Netters > > > >Time for me to catch up on paper work. > > > >What have you found to be the best approach as to a > >Builder's Log, in dealing with FAA and inspectors. > > > >Does it require any more than what I did, when, and time spent, > >supported by drawings and lots of pictures???? > > > >Rex Ellington > >Rex T. Ellington > >ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu > > > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jscott.pilot@juno.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rbk@orci.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Turbocharging article - NOT! From: BSHADR@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:14:50 EST X-Message-Number: 7 In a message dated 98-12-17 07:29:14 EST, Mark Langford wrote: << That article is on Mike Mims' web page, or at least it was not too long ago. Check for it there. >> Mark: Thanks, I looked there first but no joy. Anybody have other ideas, or have it and can scan and send on to me? I wrote to Mike a few days ago, but he has not answered. Then this lack of m*tivation think hit. Soooo, I figure Mike doesn't want me to spend too much time ragg'in on him to get the Pig flying. I live about an hour away (20 mins by EZ) I suppose Michelle is keeping him diverted too. I baby on the way does tend to change your focus. I will schedule an operation "Constant Whine" soon to try and help Mike see the light...errrrr, lightplane in his future. Randy Stein ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Lack of Progress From: EagleGator@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:37:14 EST X-Message-Number: 8 Greetings all, Mike Mimms' request for motivation made me take a look at my own progress lately - all of about 45 hours in the past year - and gave me the needed kick in the butt. I think it was Bobby Muse who offered the sage advice last year to "spend an hour with your project every day", even if you just spent that hour cleaning the shop, fixing tools, or rubbing your chin as you look at your project wondering "what next?" It was the inspiration I needed! I now have the shop the cleanest it has ever been, all of the tools are clean, sharp, and where they belong, and I have a plan for what I am going to accomplish on the airplane tonight. This is a tough time of year in the midwest for homebuilding, but I'm going to devote my one hour a night and keep this project rolling. No work on the test plan lately, but hope to have it in final draft by the Gathering. By the way, I believe I reserved the last available cabin last month, but there were still lodge rooms available. I'm already looking forward to seeing everyone there! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Turbocharging article - NOT! From: "Tom Cummings" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:34:17 -0600 X-Message-Number: 9 Dear Sir, Is this article you are looking for on the folloowing site ? < http://pw2.netcom.com/~mimsmand/turbo.html> Tom ---------- > From: BSHADR@aol.com > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Turbocharging article - NOT! > Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 12:14 PM > > In a message dated 98-12-17 07:29:14 EST, Mark Langford wrote: > > << That article is on Mike Mims' web page, or at least it was not too long > ago. > Check for it there. >> > > Mark: > > Thanks, I looked there first but no joy. Anybody have other ideas, or have it > and can scan and send on to me? > > I wrote to Mike a few days ago, but he has not answered. Then this lack of > m*tivation think hit. Soooo, I figure Mike doesn't want me to spend too much > time ragg'in on him to get the Pig flying. I live about an hour away (20 mins > by EZ) I suppose Michelle is keeping him diverted too. I baby on the way does > tend to change your focus. > > I will schedule an operation "Constant Whine" soon to try and help Mike see > the light...errrrr, lightplane in his future. > > Randy Stein > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomlc@communique.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Turbocharging article - NOT! From: "Mark Langford" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:29:22 -0000 X-Message-Number: 10 Randy, I got this from Mike Mims on the DD turbo article earlier, and have tried to send it to the list several times. It's on his old web site below: >Mark I am at work so I can not post to the KRnet but the DD article is >on my old site at: > >http://pw2.netcom.com/~mimsmand/turbo.html > >I may copy that HTML incase Netcom ever decides to remove old >subscribers from their server! :o) Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford -----Original Message----- From: BSHADR@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 9:42 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Turbocharging article - NOT! >In a message dated 98-12-17 07:29:14 EST, Mark Langford wrote: > ><< That article is on Mike Mims' web page, or at least it was not too long >ago. > Check for it there. >> > >Mark: > >Thanks, I looked there first but no joy. Anybody have other ideas, or have it >and can scan and send on to me? > >I wrote to Mike a few days ago, but he has not answered. Then this lack of >m*tivation think hit. Soooo, I figure Mike doesn't want me to spend too much >time ragg'in on him to get the Pig flying. I live about an hour away (20 mins >by EZ) I suppose Michelle is keeping him diverted too. I baby on the way does >tend to change your focus. > >I will schedule an operation "Constant Whine" soon to try and help Mike see >the light...errrrr, lightplane in his future. > >Randy Stein > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: langford@hiwaay.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Pc sims From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:26:53 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 11 For those of you who are alread pilots, you can do yourself a big favour and practice the MENTAL work of the IFR flying on your PC with any of the comercially avialable sims. While I was working on my rating a few years back I had a program called ATC that had every approach and every hard surfaced runway in the country on it. This was run on my old 386 machine and was slow to updade senery in turns but skunk the weather so there was no senery and the thing was right on. I flew alot of approaches on that thing and it did improve my mental flying and my scan.FWIW John Roffey BTW, I took all the games OFF my machine because I can't fly the computer and build an airplane too. Reading this list is all I do with this thing now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Turbocharging article - NOT! From: BSHADR@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:18:39 EST X-Message-Number: 12 In a message dated 98-12-17 17:11:38 EST, I wrote: << Anybody have other ideas, or have it and can scan and send on to me? >> KRNetters: Wayne was kind enough to send me the Turbocharging article. Thanks to him I can crawl back into my hole again. Now the only one who has to worry is Mike Mims. Randy Stein Societ Monica, CA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Sky Pig Fly-In From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:20:15 EST X-Message-Number: 13 In a message dated 98-12-17 10:09:06 EST, you write: << Oh baby! I can see it now: the new logo for the Sky Pig Fly-In will be a red pig with an apple in its mouth, >> Is another Chino Kosh in the works? Haris Ashraf ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Flight Test Area From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:45:16 -0700 X-Message-Number: 14 The DAR handed me my sectional and a marker and said to mark out my own flight test area keeping in mind that he prefered that I stay out of the mountains and out from above cities. He promised to trim the area down if I made it too big. He also wanted me to justify to him when and why I would use certain areas he was leary about me flying over. In general, the faster the plane, the larger area ours will allow. A friend with a Glasair had a test area with over a 100 mile range. The 25 NM range is a guideline that has been in place for many years, but it is only a guideline. Not cast in stone. The DAR can assign you a larger area at his descretion. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:03:41 -0800 Ross Youngblood writes: >Rex Ellington wrote: > >> G'Day Netters >> >> Time for me to catch up on paper work. >> >> What have you found to be the best approach as to a >> Builder's Log, in dealing with FAA and inspectors. >> > >I have heard a range of tales on this. One gentleman borrowed someone >elsesphotographs to make an album at the last minute. Seems that if you >are really >prepared, you will not need much, but if you are not prepared, you will find >you need somthing. I think it varies by the DAR. > > >Also... locally I am hearing that the FAA guidelines for a test flight area >have been changed/tightened up to be a 25NM radius from your home base. >This was confirmed by a couple of local EAA ers. Has this cropped >upelsewhere? > >Seems the interpertation guidlines for DAR's are spelling this out, can >someone confirm this? Just curious. > >-- Regards > Ross > >> Does it require any more than what I did, when, and time spent, >> supported by drawings and lots of pictures???? >> >> Rex Ellington >> Rex T. Ellington >> ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > >-- > Ross Youngblood > Staff Technical Specialist > Schlumberger SABER > Snail Mail: 1109 NE Burke Pl > Corvallis Oregon > email: rossy@San-Jose.ate.slb.com > Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Voicemail (800)538-6838 >x1632 > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jscott.pilot@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [kr-net]Builders Work habits From: jscott.pilot@juno.com (Jeffrey E Scott) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:33:50 -0700 X-Message-Number: 15 I have to agree with what Bobby and Rick say about spending an hour a day with your project. I made it a point to go directly to the garage to flip on the electirc heater and fire up the propane heater every night when I came home from work (during the winter). Then I went back in, to change clothes and grab a quick bite with the family before returning to a luke warm garage to work on the plane. It was my work habit and I managed to finish the plane in pretty reasonable time. I always close up the shop at 9 pm and went back in to spend an hour with the family before bed. When I went to bed, I updated my builders log with the accomplishments and new thoughts of the day. When I started the flight testing phase with the plane, every night I wrote out the days flight testing results and wrote a new profile for the next mornings flight. Once the flight testing was complete, I thought I was going to have to start a diary as I was so used to writing every night. :o) I thought the nightly builders log was motivational as it gave me a chance to see and review my accomplishments and to collect my thoughts every night. In my opinion, it is helpful to have the project at home where you can work on it every day. If I would have had to drive to the airport to work on the plane, I would still be building instead of enjoying boring holes in the sky for the last year and a half. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:37:14 EST EagleGator@aol.com writes: >Greetings all, > >Mike Mimms' request for motivation made me take a look at my own progress >lately - all of about 45 hours in the past year - and gave me the needed kick >in the butt. I think it was Bobby Muse who offered the sage advice last year >to "spend an hour with your project every day", even if you just spent that >hour cleaning the shop, fixing tools, or rubbing your chin as you look at your >project wondering "what next?" It was the inspiration I needed! I now have the >shop the cleanest it has ever been, all of the tools are clean, sharp, and >where they belong, and I have a plan for what I am going to accomplish on the >airplane tonight. This is a tough time of year in the midwest for >homebuilding, but I'm going to devote my one hour a night and keep this >project rolling. > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [kr-net]Builders Work habits From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:02:52 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 Thanks Jeff for the informational work habit thoughts. I thing I will start a ritual for working on the KR every day. Like you, building the KR2 at home is great, although my kids are grown now, the wife works with me and its cool having a helper and not doing it alone. Later, Rod Kelso ---------- > From: Jeffrey E Scott > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: [kr-net]Builders Work habits > Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 7:33 PM > > I have to agree with what Bobby and Rick say about spending an hour a day > with your project. I made it a point to go directly to the garage to > flip on the electirc heater and fire up the propane heater every night > when I came home from work (during the winter). Then I went back in, to > change clothes and grab a quick bite with the family before returning to > a luke warm garage to work on the plane. It was my work habit and I > managed to finish the plane in pretty reasonable time. I always close up > the shop at 9 pm and went back in to spend an hour with the family before > bed. When I went to bed, I updated my builders log with the > accomplishments and new thoughts of the day. When I started the flight > testing phase with the plane, every night I wrote out the days flight > testing results and wrote a new profile for the next mornings flight. > Once the flight testing was complete, I thought I was going to have to > start a diary as I was so used to writing every night. :o) > > I thought the nightly builders log was motivational as it gave me a > chance to see and review my accomplishments and to collect my thoughts > every night. > > In my opinion, it is helpful to have the project at home where you can > work on it every day. If I would have had to drive to the airport to > work on the plane, I would still be building instead of enjoying boring > holes in the sky for the last year and a half. > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213W construction and first flight at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html > http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm > > On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:37:14 EST EagleGator@aol.com writes: > >Greetings all, > > > >Mike Mimms' request for motivation made me take a look at my own > progress > >lately - all of about 45 hours in the past year - and gave me the needed > kick > >in the butt. I think it was Bobby Muse who offered the sage advice last > year > >to "spend an hour with your project every day", even if you just spent > that > >hour cleaning the shop, fixing tools, or rubbing your chin as you look > at your > >project wondering "what next?" It was the inspiration I needed! I now > have the > >shop the cleanest it has ever been, all of the tools are clean, sharp, > and > >where they belong, and I have a plan for what I am going to accomplish > on the > >airplane tonight. This is a tough time of year in the midwest for > >homebuilding, but I'm going to devote my one hour a night and keep this > >project rolling. > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rbk@orci.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Builders Work habits From: Robert Covington Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:21:17 -0700 (MST) X-Message-Number: 17 >In my opinion, it is helpful to have the project at home where you can >work on it every day. If I would have had to drive to the airport to >work on the plane, I would still be building instead of enjoying boring >holes in the sky for the last year and a half. > >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM Other things aside, the above is the main reason I haven't gotten as far as I would like, I think. Being far away from the project, and not having it staring you in the face every day for idea/motivation purposes does not help. Hopefully a move soon will alleviate this, and I can't wait to get remotivated. Or I will just buy Mike's. :) It speaks well for Mike's motivation that he can drive much farther than I have to and still get there. But I attribute that to his being a former Marine and having more discipline. ;) Robert Covington --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com