From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Saturday, January 02, 1999 12:08 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: January 01, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Friday, January 01, 1999. 1. Re: Scramble the KR's, Buddy is in trouble - was Motivation 2. Re: Wheel Location 3. Re: spinners 4. Re: Link Permissions ... 5. Composites 6. Aileron play (was working too carefully) 7. RE: Composites 8. RE: Composites 9. New Inexpensive caliper brakes 10. RE: Aileron play (was working too carefully) 11. Hours 12. Re: Posa needles 13. Re: Composites 14. Map HTML Page ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Scramble the KR's, Buddy is in trouble - was Motivation From: "Richard McCall" Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:31:34 -0600 X-Message-Number: 1 Steve, If I had known that when I was out in San Diego in Nov., I would have gone to help out. Did get to the airport and visit a little, but forgot my address book for all KR builders in that area. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Steve Bennett To: KR-net users group Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 2:10 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Scramble the KR's, Buddy is in trouble - was Motivation >Steven Eberhart wrote: >> >> Scramble the KR's, a buddy is in trouble. All flying KR's within flying >> distance of Chino are here-by notified that a fellow KR builder (even >> if he calls it a Sky Pig) is in dire need of the motivation only supplied >> by KR fly in. We will let him rest during the Holidays but in January >> there definatly needs to be a KR Fly In at Mike Mimms' hanger in Chino. >> This Fly In is here by called the Mid Winter Motivational Fly In. Oscar, >> we need a special logo for the event, I don't remember who did the >> KRNet logo but can you coordinate that with him? Now that I have gotten >> the ball rolling - Mike, all you have to do is pick the dates. I will >> contribute the first $10 for the beer fund. Maybe a pig roast would be >> appropriate - the white meat kind not the spruce kind :-) >> >> Steve Eberhart >> >> On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Mike Mims wrote: >> >> > OK netters I come to you seeking motivation! I haven't worked on the Sky Pig in >> > over 2 months and to tell you the truth I still don't feel like working on it! >> > Believe it or not I have actually considered selling it! I doubt that will happen >> > but you never know. I cant explain it but I just flat have no desire to work on >> > it. Could be the cold weather, could be I don't even miss flying all that much, >> > could be a lot of things I guess. then again it sure would be nice to be able to >> > jump in the SP an fly over to visit Jeff Scott. I guess I am at a point where I am >> > tired of building and just want an airplane! All it would take is one last push and >> > I would be taxi testing but that last push is eluding me at the moment. Missing the >> > gathering this year didn't help matters much also the lack of discussion on the net >> > about completion's or at least sub completion's is de-motivating also. So builders >> > what have you done in the last weeks? I have played hockey and attended Lamaze >> > classes. :o) >> > >> > On a positive note the temps are supposed to be up in the 70s this Saturday and I am >> > free until 5:00pm. I will be at the hanger bright and early and I will work on >> > something! :o) >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >> > Micheal Mims >> > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now >> > mailto:mikemims@home.com >> > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >> > Aliso Viejo Ca >> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: gpasc@earthlink.net >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >from lots of personel experience. 2 types of builders. those that like >to build and those that like to fly. building for flyers sucks. steve > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rmccall@oz-online.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wheel Location From: "Richard McCall" Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:37:10 -0600 X-Message-Number: 2 Doug, Didn't know we had someone on-line from Germany. I spent a number of years over there with civil service, in fact, my wife is German and from Karlsruhe. What are you building? I'm in the middle of a KR2S XWL (highly modified). Good luck! Richard McCall Junction City, KS -----Original Message----- From: doug peyton To: KR-net users group Cc: kr-net@telelists.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 11:59 AM Subject: [kr-net] Wheel Location >Dear Mr. Diehl, > > I received your letter and went out and checked my situation. My >wheels were only 3-1/2" ahead of the front surface of the main spar when >down and locked, AND NOT 7" FORWARD as you had stated they need to be! >I figure I need to mill a 5/32" champfer off one corner of the >spring-bar, and 5/32" off the top surfaces of the three bracket castings >holding the 1/4" pivot bolts; these are those big castings which are >bolted to the front of the main spar. Of course, I'll also have to >reconstruct the gear-down locking mechanism and possibly that handle in >the middle for pulling down the gear. > > I got out my plans book and carefully rechecked all the >measurements for constructing the landing gear assembly. I soon found >my error: I had drilled the 1/4" pivot holes in the small brackets, >those bolted to the spring-bar, 1/8" closer to the spring bar than the >KR plans called for. It beats me how I could have done that - I always >recheck everything several times. Guess a person just can't be too >careful. > > I surely do thank you for your letter. I have been in a funk for a >couple of years over this apparent nose-heavy condition, and as much as >I worried about it and mulled it over, it never crossed my mind the >wheels were not rotating out to the fully extended down position. >You've revamped my interest in this project. Guess this incident just >goes to show how important it is to have someone look over your shoulder >from time to time. > >Kindest Regards, >Doug Peyton, >Stuttgart. > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rmccall@oz-online.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: spinners From: Mike Mims Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:50:25 -0800 X-Message-Number: 3 dan469@aol.com wrote: > << am working on my cowling and don't know how close it should be.>> Dan, this will depend on what brand and model of spinner you buy. They are all different. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Link Permissions ... From: Mike Mims Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:57:10 -0800 X-Message-Number: 4 KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > << if I'm here somebody). There already is just what you are talking about > there.>>> I have something similar at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/mapframe.html although it hasn't been updated in a while its a good starting point. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Composites From: "Steven Welebny" Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:23:52 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 My subject line had a typo! I wish it would go away. 'Deceased Equines' not 'a deceased Equines'. Oh well, either way it's probably not proper. Seriously though. I have some questions for which I would be very glad to get some feedback from builders. It involves the safety and use of materials in composite construction. The last experiences I had with fiberglass was back when I was a kid and used it to repair wood boats. It was kinda nasty stuff. My workshop is in my cellar. My questions to you builders out there is, what's composite construction like nowadays? From my studying of plans and construction, composites combined with wood understructures sure seem to give you a lot of bang for the buck in terms of ease of building, strength and smoothness. But at what cost, and can those factors be mitigated? Are you guys all wearing respirators and spacesuits? How toxic is today's goop compared to the stuff I used twenty years ago? Does anyone successfully keep their completed aircraft tied down outdoors? Does anyone do it safely with covers or other means of protecting the structure from light? I think you folks get the idea. Any input appreciated. Steve Welebny Avonlea Farm NH ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Aileron play (was working too carefully) From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 15:41:55 PST X-Message-Number: 6 I guess it's OK to have enough play in the hinges to prevent binding, but I don't know if 1/16" in there is OK. I think with the -2S and the new wing and the higher horsepowers being built out there, and 180MPH cruise and 200Vne the solid target, flutter gets to be a real concern. You sure don't need any 'stiction' or extra tightness in the controls, but too much free play at the hinges could be a problem. Just one netter's opinion. Oscar Zuniga aviation website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Composites From: "Mark Langford" Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:37:24 -0600 X-Message-Number: 7 > The last experiences I had with fiberglass was > back when I was a kid and used it to repair wood boats. It was kinda nasty > stuff. Steve, Forget your messy fiberglass childhood. That stuff is polyester and cures too fast and sticks to everything in sight before you get it where you want it. We use epoxy and if you get the right one (Aeropoxy, West, etc.) you'll have to stick your nose in it to smell it. It cures much slower, and gives you lots of time to put it where you want it. It's a joy to work with. I'm building mine in the basement, and other than the time I made the mistake of using vinylester for my fuel tanks, nobody's every wondered what I was doing downstairs. I open a window and turn on an exhaust fan just in case, but I haven't worried about a respiratior with Aeropoxy. I figure that clutch and brake dust that I inhaled as a mechanic, and the trichlorethane that I used to wash missiles with when I was in the Air Force is going to get me a lot sooner than this stuff will. Some folks store composite airplanes outside, but most don't (I would guess). Ultraviolet is bad news for the epoxy part of the composite structure, but there are now primers that supposedly block it and prevent damage. On the KR, the only "strutural" composite parts are the wingskins and maybe the tail feathers. You definitely have to paint them white to keep them cool. High temps kill composites too. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Composites From: Mike Mims Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 16:49:47 -0800 X-Message-Number: 8 Mark Langford wrote: > << guess). >>> I think your right about the storage of composite homebuilts. Almost all I have seen have been hangered and the ones I have seen that were parked outside sure look like the elements were quickly taking a toll on them! I guess this greatly depends on where you live and what the weather is like. The weather here is great but the airborne pollution ends up ruining the paint in nothing flat. I would think in a cold wet climate the KR would not fare so well. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New Inexpensive caliper brakes From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:06:37 -0500 X-Message-Number: 9 KR builders should check out http://www.greatplainsas.com/hydbrake1.html for an inexpensive and lighter alternative to Cleveland brakes. Great Plains is offering them for $219. -Tom ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Aileron play (was working too carefully) From: Ron Freiberger Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 21:33:43 -0500 X-Message-Number: 10 Oscar, the 1/16 was in the longitudinal direction, not fore/aft or vertical. The center hinge out to control sideways ( on the elevator ) and the other two ought not bind. It's hard to see hoe 1/32 more elevator on one side or the other would have any effect. Ron Freiberger .... enroute to FL and off the net 1/2/99--1/8/99 > -----Original Message----- > From: bounce-kr-net-17719@telelists.com > [mailto:bounce-kr-net-17719@telelists.com]On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga > Sent: Friday, January 01, 1999 6:42 PM > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Aileron play (was working too carefully) > > > I guess it's OK to have enough play in the hinges to prevent binding, > but I don't know if 1/16" in there is OK. I think with the -2S and the > new wing and the higher horsepowers being built out there, and 180MPH > cruise and 200Vne the solid target, flutter gets to be a real concern. > You sure don't need any 'stiction' or extra tightness in the controls, > but too much free play at the hinges could be a problem. > > Just one netter's opinion. > > Oscar Zuniga > aviation website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ > Medford, Oregon > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ronald.freiberger@mci2000.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Hours From: jeroffey@tir.com (jeroffey) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:58:24 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 11 Fellow netters, I just came in from my shop and totaled the hours that I worked on my project last year (1998) and was suprised to find a total of 112.25 hours. There were lapses in June and July due to work, yard, remodeling and family, but the project did continue. On January 26 (my birthday) it will be one year since I started the woodwork and the boat is almost done. The school year months (Sept-May) seem to be most productive. Now for a new and hopefully productive year. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Posa needles From: Bobby Muse Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 22:09:53 -0600 X-Message-Number: 12 At 10:32 AM 12/30/98 -0800, you wrote: >Well I guess everyone was busy, so I'll ask again really nicely if >someone knows (or could measure) the diameter of a #3 needle for a Posa >carb. If it's the same diameter as a #2 (but tapers differently) then >please let me know. Thanks Ed Janssen for the prior message. > >I'll send what I have on Posa tuning to Mark Langford, since he offered >to compile info for future builders. > >Paul M. >Ashland, OR > All Posa needles are the same except for the the taper. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Composites From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael C. Taglieri) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 00:03:44 EST X-Message-Number: 13 Rats! I'm moving closer to finding a space to build and now this? Here in the New York City area, the rental for a hangar -- if you could find one -- would be close to what some of you guys are paying every month for your mortgages. Should I consider building something other than a wooden plane, or would adequate varnishing make it OK to keep outdoors (probably under a tarp)? Mike Taglieri >Mark Langford wrote: > >> <<would >> guess). >>> > >I think your right about the storage of composite homebuilts. Almost >all I have >seen have been hangered and the ones I have seen that were parked >outside sure >look like the elements were quickly taking a toll on them! I guess >this greatly >depends on where you live and what the weather is like. The weather >here is >great but the airborne pollution ends up ruining the paint in nothing >flat. I >would think in a cold wet climate the KR would not fare so well. > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now >mailto:mikemims@home.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Aliso Viejo Ca >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: miketnyc@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Map HTML Page ... From: "Albert Pecoraro" Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 02:39:16 EST X-Message-Number: 14 Mike, Thanks for letting me know about your page. I didn't know that you had a map page on your web-site. I didn't see one on KRNet for some reason - I guess I didn't navigate the entire site! ;-) I have already defined 3 major maps (USA/Canada; Mexico, Central & South America; Europe). I am now developing the 4th map - Asia and Australia. I was going to use a similar layout (with frames on the side of the page). Do I have your permission to borrow the list of names from the link you gave me? This would be a great help ... and it would save me a lot of typing and cutting and pasting! ;-) Thanks Mike. Have a Happy New Year! Albert Pecoraro ----Original Message Follows---- Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:57:10 -0800 From: Mike Mims To: "KR-net users group" Subject: [kr-net] Re: Link Permissions ... Reply-To: "KR-net users group" KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > << if I'm here somebody). There already is just what you are talking about > there.>>> I have something similar at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/mapframe.html although it hasn't been updated in a while its a good starting point. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: apec97@hotmail.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com