From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 12:08 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: January 03, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Sunday, January 03, 1999. 1. Foldong Wing Kit 2. Re: Hours 3. RE: Composites 4. Re: Foldong Wing Kit 5. Re: Hours 6. FS: Foam kit for KR-2S 7. KR vs. Sonerai (formerly "Rats") 8. Re: Composites 9. Re: Foldong Wing Kit 10. Re: Foldong Wing Kit 11. RE: Composites 12. Re: Foldong Wing Kit 13. Re: Foldong Wing Kit 14. Re: KR vs. Sonerai (formerly "Rats") 15. Re: FS: Foam kit for KR-2S 16. Re: FS: Foam kit for KR-2S 17. Re: FS: Foam kit for KR-2S 18. Engine mounting 19. FS: EA-81 block 20. KR1 21. Re: KR1 22. Re: FS: EA-81 block 23. Re: FS: EA-81 block 24. Re: FS: EA-81 block 25. KR2 Kit 4 Sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Foldong Wing Kit From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 03:17:17 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1 I have a Folding Wing Kit. Sells for $295.00 +5% SH R. W. Moore -----Original Message----- From: Steven Welebny To: KR-net users group Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 10:43 AM Subject: [kr-net] RE: Rats >Mike, > >One of the reasons I'm on the KR list asking the questions I'm asking is to >learn what's involved with the care and feeding of building a composite VW >powered craft.( I hope my questions have remained on topic enough, and are >not wasting too much bandwidth, I appreciate the list's patience, let me >know if I stray. ) I'm very interested in learning more about the >construction process from people actually building, but I'm also thinking >long term also. Storage in some places is a problem, or at least a large >long term expense. There are a few VW designs that can fold their wings, >allowing you to share hanger space or even drag the thing home. A new >design, utilizing somewhat similar construction comes to mind which can be >seen at > >http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ > >Along with considering the KR I have considered a Sonerai, which looks like >it can 'easily' be folded. However this aircraft would require entirely >different skills that I don't have as it is metal tubing and aluminum wings. >It too is VW powered and within the realm of ordinary folks both to afford >and learn the skills necessary. > >Steve Welebny >Avonlea Farm NH > >> > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hours From: "Richard Parker" Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 06:23:58 PST X-Message-Number: 2 How do you log all those sleepless nights laying in bed thinking about what to do next or all that time at work researching materials and methods. I've easily got 2000 hours and bags under my eyes to prove that. This project is costing my company a fortune. I guess I know never to hire someone who takes on a project of this magnitude. Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm Jaffrey, NH >From: KR2616TJ@aol.com >Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 07:34:21 EST >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Re: Hours >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > >In a message dated 1/1/99 10:59:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, jeroffey@tir.com >writes: > ><< Fellow netters, I just came in from my shop and totaled the hours that I > worked on my project last year (1998) and was surprised to find a total of > 112.25 hours. > > John Roffey >> > >I posted this idea probably a year/year and a half ago but for all you new >guys, if you really want to keep track of your building try this: Go to your >nearest farm supply and buy a Hobbs meter (it's cheaper than aviation >catalogues and is the same unit), build yourself a small box with an AC/DC >convertor with a single throw switch. Leave it at the entrance to your work >area along with a log book and simple "throw the switch" when you start >working. I stuck in an outer marker light to show when it was on. >Anyway, after you have finished your bird, stick that Hobbs meter in and >you've got your 40 hrs.(plus:-). > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Composites From: "Richard Parker" Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 06:51:57 PST X-Message-Number: 3 >Steven Welebny wrote: > >> <<> glassing?>>> Steven I use West Sytems epoxy because it has no odor, can be used on styrofoam, ($8 a sheet locally versus $50 plus shipping a sheet urethane through AS+S) is available locally and will cure down to 40 F although I dont like to glue below approx 55-60 Your basement is warm enough for that. I dont have a basement and have to use my 1 car garage with either a portable heater or I leave the kitchen door open. With no odor my wife doesnt mind. Room is tight and I'll have to move the fuselage out to build the wings so I'm planning on doing the wings last. The beautiful thing about this design is you only need a minimum of space if you plan well as it will fit through a standard garage door. I plan on driving the fuselage with only the stub wings over to a friends hanger or garage when its time to put the wings on. I believe it was Dana Overall who had some fun with his neighbors "flying his boat" I think you need to come visit. I'll make you a "KR-Addict" I dropped my engine off yesterday. Sorry I didnt have time to stop by. I'll make it when I pick it up and show you the finished product. I'm really beginning to love this EA-81 Subaru. I found out that there is a 400w 110V engine heater that screws right in to the block for about $23. I'll never have to wait for my engine to warm up and wont have to wear a snowmobile suit when I fly. Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm Jaffrey, NH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Foldong Wing Kit From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 10:14:32 EST X-Message-Number: 4 Is it posible to get some literature on this kit. Maybe some pictures? Don Clarke ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Hours From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 09:28:38 -0600 X-Message-Number: 5 Richard Parker wrote: > How do you log all those sleepless nights laying in bed thinking about > what to do next or all that time at work researching materials and > methods. I figure it's about a 2:1 ratio, if you get as "creative" as I've been. Lets see. 1800 hours in the log book, and about 3600 of research and redesign time. Yep, 5400 hours is about right! And I'm already 55% done! I guess this would be a pretty powerful argument for building by the plans, if you can decipher them... > I found out that there > is a 400w 110V engine heater that screws right in to the block for about > $23. I'll never have to wait for my engine to warm up and wont have to > wear a snowmobile suit when I fly. You must've bought controlling stock in an extension cord manufacturing company. Oh, maybe that's what the water is for! Just kiddin' there. My next project is to rip the aircooled engine out of my Karmann Ghia and put in midship aluminum V-6, primarily because it will give me a heater, air conditioner, and most importantly, a defroster. And oh yea, MORE POWER! I figure I'll have plenty of heat and airflow in the KR though. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: FS: Foam kit for KR-2S From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:06:44 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 4 Sheets 2" tan urethane foam in 24" x 96" sheets. 12 Sheets 1" tan urethane foam in 24" x 96" sheets. This amount of tan urethane foam is what the KR-2 or KR-2S requires for the wings and tail. It cost $340 from AS&S including FREIGHT shipping of about $70(85lbs with packing). Make offer. -Tom Andersen Orlando FL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR vs. Sonerai (formerly "Rats") From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael C. Taglieri) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:12:14 EST X-Message-Number: 7 I've considered the Sonerais, which do not seem to be as popular as the KR's maybe because they don't fly as fast (or at least don't claim to fly as fast. It might be that the Sonerai is just more honest). The thing that really bothers me about the Sonerai is that you have to solo from the back seat. I was wondering if having two positions for the battery (one very far back near the tail) could compensate for the shifting center of gravity and let you solo from the front. Other than that it seems like a pretty nice design, and when flying two-up each person would have more room than on a KR. Concerning skills, you learn the ones you need. I don't know about glassing, epoxy safety, etc., and learning these wouldn't be much different from learning how to weld. The only thing that bothers me about the Sonerai construction is that the Wicks materials kit includes nearly 2000 rivets. I assume these are for the wings, but this would be a yet another different skill to acquire with expensive equipment and creating a tremendous amount of noise (unless they mean pop-rivets!) I haven't seen the plans of these planes, but it might be possible to build the wings of foam and glass.... Mike Taglieri >One of the reasons I'm on the KR list asking the questions I'm asking >is to >learn what's involved with the care and feeding of building a >composite VW >powered craft.( I hope my questions have remained on topic enough, and >are >not wasting too much bandwidth, I appreciate the list's patience, let >me >know if I stray. ) I'm very interested in learning more about the >construction process from people actually building, but I'm also >thinking >long term also. Storage in some places is a problem, or at least a >large >long term expense. There are a few VW designs that can fold their >wings, >allowing you to share hanger space or even drag the thing home. A new >design, utilizing somewhat similar construction comes to mind which >can be >seen at > >http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ > >Along with considering the KR I have considered a Sonerai, which looks >like >it can 'easily' be folded. However this aircraft would require >entirely >different skills that I don't have as it is metal tubing and aluminum >wings. >It too is VW powered and within the realm of ordinary folks both to >afford >and learn the skills necessary. > >Steve Welebny >Avonlea Farm NH > >> > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: miketnyc@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Composites From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael C. Taglieri) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:12:14 EST X-Message-Number: 8 >I don't know about varnishing (what wood parts are gonna show?) but >the tarp >would certainly block the UV. Maybe you should think about the >folding wing >option, but then you'd be in hock for a garage, which I'll bet is >considerably more expensive than a tie-down in NY. Tarps over the >wings and >canopy should certainly get the job done. UV blocker on the wings and >tail >will supposedly work too, so now you're just in for a canopy cover. >I've >seen some pretty neat ones laid up out of fiberglass before the >acrylic >protective layer was removed from the canopy. Fit's like a glove! >Dana can >put you on the trail of the Smooth Prime folks, who do the ultimate UV >block >/ prime kit. I wasn't worried so much about damage to the fiberglass or paint as I was about dry rot in the wood from being stored around piles of snow at high humidity levels, perhaps for weeks at a time in the winter. I read somewhere (maybe here) that at a high enough humidity, varnish on wood will eventually fail even if the water is not touching the wood, and rot can then set in from moisture condensing on its surface. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------------------------------- "May your life be full of lawyers" -- Mexican curse ------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Foldong Wing Kit From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:21:54 -0500 X-Message-Number: 9 I will be glad to supply photographs on the folding wing kit. If any one can tell me how to send them on this computer. I do have a flat bed scanner If any one would like to call me @ 706-779-3446 some mornings (EDST) and walk me through as to how to send photographs. I will be taking the photographs tomorrow and it will take about a week to get them back. This will be the new latching system. I am also looking for some one to make a wed pages fro me on the Folding Wing Kit and the "MISSING LINK" vacuum pump drive system for VW powered airplane engines. This system has 140 hours @ 4200 RPM's on the test stand and uses the standard 211CC vacum pump with out any changes to the pump. What I have tryed to do is destroy the systen and the pump with more the the RPM's of the pump. The max pump RPM'S is 4000. At some fly-ins the system has run over 8 hours with out stoping. The system is listed in Aircraft Spruce 1999 Catalog on Page # 312. Sincerely, R. W. Moore -----Original Message----- From: DClarke351@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 10:15 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Foldong Wing Kit >Is it posible to get some literature on this kit. Maybe some pictures? Don >Clarke > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Foldong Wing Kit From: CruzJ12@aol.com Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:41:56 EST X-Message-Number: 10 do you sell the plans for the folding wing? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Composites From: CruzJ12@aol.com Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:44:25 EST X-Message-Number: 11 where are you located? .....Joe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Foldong Wing Kit From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:53:44 -0500 X-Message-Number: 12 Yes. I am now having the plans drawn on a computer with the new latching system. I do not have a price at this time. The price depends on how much it cost to have the plans drawn. Sincerely, R. W. Moore -----Original Message----- From: CruzJ12@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 1:43 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Foldong Wing Kit >do you sell the plans for the folding wing? > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Foldong Wing Kit From: CruzJ12@aol.com Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:58:22 EST X-Message-Number: 13 Thanks...... let me know when they are avail....thanks Joe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR vs. Sonerai (formerly "Rats") From: "Larry Jacks" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:20:03 -0700 X-Message-Number: 14 I used to own a Sonerai I project many years ago before career and family pressures forced me to sell it. The Sonerai design is well proven with over 20 years of history, rather like the KR-2. The rivets are indeed pop rivets. They are countersunk, so there's a fair amount of labor involved in setting each one. 1. Drill a hole slightly smaller than the rivet. 2. Use a cleco to keep your parts properly aligned. 3. Debur the holes (a drill bit works fine) 4. Countersink the holes using a simple press in your rivet puller 5. Dip the rivet in zinc chromate to prevent corrosion 6. Set the rivet. 7. Repeat about 2,000 times. Someone could probably redesign the wings to make them out of composites, but I doubt it'd be worth the effort. It'd probably cost more as well. Sonerai wings are simple and quite strong. As to soloing from the front seat of a Sonerai II, it might be possible by moving the battery as Mike suggests. However, don't forget to add the weight of the oversized battery cables if you have to mount the battery pretty far aft. Pounds are sneaky and multiply like rabbits. They add up pretty quickly if not watched carefully. The wings are easily removed for storage or towing. There are 4 tapered pins in the front spar and 2 smaller ones for the rear spar. Simply remove the pins with a wrench, slide the spars out of the attachment, pivot each wing panel nose down 90 degrees, then rotate the wing along the fuselage. There's a built-in pivot mechanism that weighs maybe a pound that makes it easy. To secure the wings against the fuselage, simply slide a rod into a hole in the fuselage and through the corresponding holes in the wings. The job will take a couple of minutes per wing panel. Great Plains sells prewelded fuselages for the Sonerais. That does add to the cost but it'll cut your construction hours by about 35% and you don't need to learn how to weld. They also sell other components, including wing ribs, brakes, canopies, etc. I'm still evaluating which project that I want to build. The Sonerai II LTS (stretched low-wing tri-gear) is still in the running, as is the KR-2S. Mike at Great Plains says that you can build a complete Sonerai II LTS including engine for well under $10,000 if you build it from scratch (and buy one of his engines). He says the price is still around $15,000 if you buy all of his prefab parts. Not to bad IMO. Larry -----Original Message----- From: Michael C. Taglieri To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 11:18 AM Subject: [kr-net] KR vs. Sonerai (formerly "Rats") >I've considered the Sonerais, which do not seem to be as popular as the >KR's maybe because they don't fly as fast (or at least don't claim to fly >as fast. It might be that the Sonerai is just more honest). > >The thing that really bothers me about the Sonerai is that you have to >solo from the back seat. I was wondering if having two positions for the >battery (one very far back near the tail) could compensate for the >shifting center of gravity and let you solo from the front. Other than >that it seems like a pretty nice design, and when flying two-up each >person would have more room than on a KR. > >Concerning skills, you learn the ones you need. I don't know about >glassing, epoxy safety, etc., and learning these wouldn't be much >different from learning how to weld. The only thing that bothers me >about the Sonerai construction is that the Wicks materials kit includes >nearly 2000 rivets. I assume these are for the wings, but this would be a >yet another different skill to acquire with expensive equipment and >creating a tremendous amount of noise (unless they mean pop-rivets!) I >haven't seen the plans of these planes, but it might be possible to build >the wings of foam and glass.... > >Mike Taglieri ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FS: Foam kit for KR-2S From: "Richard Parker" Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 16:49:59 PST X-Message-Number: 15 So why is it for sale Tom? Whats up your sleeve? Rich >From: "Tom Andersen" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] FS: Foam kit for KR-2S >Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:06:44 -0500 >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > >4 Sheets 2" tan urethane foam in 24" x 96" sheets. >12 Sheets 1" tan urethane foam in 24" x 96" sheets. >This amount of tan urethane foam is what the KR-2 or KR-2S requires for the >wings and tail. It cost $340 from AS&S including FREIGHT shipping of about >$70(85lbs with packing). >Make offer. >-Tom Andersen >Orlando FL ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FS: Foam kit for KR-2S From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:11:55 -0500 X-Message-Number: 16 Rich, Nothing up my sleeve, but since I bought the Diehle wing skins, and I'm going to buy the stub wing skins from RR and hotwire my tail surfaces from blue extruded foam, I have no need for the 16 sheets of urethane foam, so I'm selling them. -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 8:02 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: FS: Foam kit for KR-2S >So why is it for sale Tom? Whats up your sleeve? > >Rich > > >>From: "Tom Andersen" >>To: "KR-net users group" >>Subject: [kr-net] FS: Foam kit for KR-2S >>Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:06:44 -0500 >>Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >> >>4 Sheets 2" tan urethane foam in 24" x 96" sheets. >>12 Sheets 1" tan urethane foam in 24" x 96" sheets. >>This amount of tan urethane foam is what the KR-2 or KR-2S requires for >the >>wings and tail. It cost $340 from AS&S including FREIGHT shipping of >about >>$70(85lbs with packing). >>Make offer. >>-Tom Andersen >>Orlando FL > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomkr2s@t-three.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FS: Foam kit for KR-2S From: Ron Lee Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 18:17:54 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 As we should all know, you NEVER, NEVER, NEVER hotwire urethane. It apparently releases cyanide or other deadly gas. SAND urethane, Hotwire the blue stuff. Ron Lee At 08:11 PM 1/3/99 -0500, you wrote: >Rich, >Nothing up my sleeve, but since I bought the Diehle wing skins, and I'm >going to buy the stub wing skins from RR and hotwire my tail surfaces from >blue extruded foam, I have no need for the 16 sheets of urethane foam, so >I'm selling them. >-Tom > >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Parker >To: KR-net users group >Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 8:02 PM >Subject: [kr-net] Re: FS: Foam kit for KR-2S > > >>So why is it for sale Tom? Whats up your sleeve? >> >>Rich > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Engine mounting From: "Richard Parker" Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 17:19:16 PST X-Message-Number: 18 Anyone have any recommendations on how low I can put my prop shaft in reference to the upper longerons? Does Bingelis have anything to say on it. I dont have "Firewall Forward" Mike how low is yours? it appears to be lower than the inch that someone on the kr-net previously recommended. Since your firewall is an inch higher maybe its a mirage? Are there any recommemded rules of thumb on placement? I need lots of head room for that big Edelbrock intake manifold and 900 CFM holley Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm Jaffrey, NH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: FS: EA-81 block From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:27:54 -0500 X-Message-Number: 19 I have an unrebuilt Subaru EA-81 for sale if anyone's interested. You can see it at http://www.t-three.com/200MPH/EA81.htm . Four pictures and more details are posted there. -Tom P.S. Anyone have an EJ-22 for sale? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR1 From: "Tom Cummings" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 20:26:53 -0600 X-Message-Number: 20 Two questions about the KR1 please. 1. Where can one obtain the 4 rubber firewall/engine mounting bushings? They install on the firewall and hold the two rectangular beams that bolt to the Vw case. 2. Are preformed wing skins available for the KR1? Tom ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR1 From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 18:37:27 -0800 X-Message-Number: 21 Tom Cummings wrote: > Two questions about the KR1 please. > 1. Where can one obtain the 4 rubber firewall/engine mounting bushings? > They install on the firewall and hold the two rectangular beams that bolt > to the Vw case. > 2. Are preformed wing skins available for the KR1? > Tom Tom, I think most people go with the 4130 tubular motor mount for the KR1, 2 and 2S these days. As a matter of fact I have never seen a VW engine mounted in the fashion shown in the plans. You can get the mount from RR or build it yourself. Also I don't see any reason you couldn't use the KR2 wing skins from Dan Diehl on your KR1. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FS: EA-81 block From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 19:24:48 -0800 X-Message-Number: 22 Tom Andersen wrote: > I have an unrebuilt Subaru EA-81 for sale if anyone's interested. > -Tom > P.S. Anyone have an EJ-22 for sale? > Tom are you sure you want to run the EJ22? From everything I have read, heard the EA81 is a much better engine for running direct drive. There is concern the crankshaft on the 22 is to light for DD without some sort of support for the prop end. Also the EJ22 is considerably heavier than the EA81. Not to mention the Turbo Direct Drive EA81 has a much longer track record than the 22. I guess you have this all figured out but unless things have changed on the EJ22 in the last year I think your selling the better of the two engines! :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FS: EA-81 block From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:26:57 -0500 X-Message-Number: 23 Mike, The engine I'm selling is unrebuilt, I don't have the time to rebuild it and then convert it (develop it) for aircraft use. If I were to go the DDTS route, I'd start by ordering a rebuilt engine anyway. I know my limits, I don't want to fly behind the first engine I've ever rebuilt. I haven't heard about weakness in the EJ-22 crankshaft. Eggenfellner has a direct drive EJ-25 with EJ-22 heads that is 198lbs without radiator, fluids, or oil cooler, so I figure it's 230lbs not including mount and prop. This engine is rated at 100hp at 3300rpm which I think would fly the KR fast with a properly pitched 54" Warp Drive two or three blade prop. The turbo EA-81 is going to be rather complicated for this first time builder and low time flier. The things I like about the 2.5L Eggenfellner conversion is that it uses fuel injection and the ECM unit, thus eliminating carburetor icing (one less system and control required), mixture control (another control not required because the oxygen sensor is retained, although some guys want to mess with it anyway), is naturally aspirated thus no wastegate control, has far less plumbing and for about the same cost as the turbo engine's parts, I can get the professionally converted and rebuilt engine by Eggenfellner for $5900. Additionally, it runs on auto gas which makes it even more economical. So with one control (like in a car) I can control the engine without carb icing problems. Fuel consumption is supposedly 5 gph at that 3300rpm setting. I still have to check out the Eggenfellner engine some more but I believe he has an outboard bearing like on his PSRU'd conversions. -Tom ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FS: EA-81 block From: "WARRON GRAY" Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:27:57 -0500 X-Message-Number: 24 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Andersen To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, January 03, 1999 8:30 PM Subject: [kr-net] FS: EA-81 block WHY? working with the soobs ,i have to agree with mike mims as much as i prefer prdu's i would rather run turbo'd than ej22 but only my opinion .Warron ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR2 Kit 4 Sale From: BSHADR@aol.com Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 02:30:21 EST X-Message-Number: 25 KRNetheads: This just came in. Look it over and let me know if anyone is close enough to help this lady out. I will not post any of her contact info until she OK's my doing so. In the meantime I'll be happy to coordinate with someone close to her who is qualified to inspect the package and render an opinion. Any takers? Email me off net. Randy Stein Soviet Monica, CA mailto: BSHADR@aol.com Use subject line: KR2 Kit 4 Sale ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <> --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com