From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 12:12 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: January 14, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Thursday, January 14, 1999. 1. Re: Great Turbo soob installation pics 2. Re: New airfoils 3. Re: Altimeter 4. Thanks 5. Re: STAINLESS STEEL 6. Re: STAINLESS STEEL 7. Re: STAINLESS STEEL 8. Skinning the (banana) boat 9. Re: Altimeter 10. FS Gear Legs 11. Re: STAINLESS STEEL 12. Table 13. Tom Crawford/Sport Aviation 14. Re: Tom Crawford/Sport Aviation 15. Re: Last Years Flyin Video 16. Re: Wing Tanks 17. Re: Altimeter 18. Airplane parts for sale! 19. Re: Tom Crawford/Sport Aviation 20. Re: Wing Tanks 21. Re: Last Years Flyin Video 22. Re: STAINLESS STEEL 23. Re: STAINLESS STEEL 24. Re: Wing Tanks 25. Re: Wing Tanks 26. Re: STAINLESS STEEL 27. Attaboy Rod 28. Re: Need A RST Radio 29. Re: KR2 in Staten Island, NY 30. Re: New airfoils 31. Re: KR-2 32. Re: STAINLESS STEEL 33. KR in Staten Island, NY 34. Re: Useless Facts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Great Turbo soob installation pics From: "Richard Parker" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 03:04:37 PST X-Message-Number: 1 I'm using a Cadillac air conditioning condenser. They are lighweight (aluminum) and a pressure tested to 350 psi They measure about 10 x 7 x 3.5 and work great. Rich Parker >From: KRBLUCH@aol.com >Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:05:14 EST >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Re: Great Turbo soob installation pics >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > >My radiator is about the same size, and lies horizontal at the bottom of the >firewall. >It cools great in that configuration. If I could have afforded it, I would >have it made of aluminum. It would have been lighter and so would my wallet. > >Dave Blucher > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New airfoils From: "Mark Langford" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:15:59 -0000 X-Message-Number: 2 >Mark. I've completed the wing stubs and my spars are as per the KR2 except >that I've put webbing on both sides a la KR2S. Is it possible to adapt the >new airfoil to the KR2 spars? Yep. There's a 16% version that uses the stock main spar, although it's something like 47.5" rather than 48" chord, and requires the aft spar be 3/8" inch taller than the 4" stocker (glue on some leftover spruce to the top cap). Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford -----Original Message----- From: w.g. kirkland To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 6:20 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: New airfoils ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Altimeter From: JKM001@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:42:20 EST X-Message-Number: 3 I think I would want to have an altimeter just for the simple reason of flying from one elevation to the next to set the Barometric Pressure. As far as being required to, you may want to look in the FAR/AIM. Regards Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Thanks From: JKM001@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:45:44 EST X-Message-Number: 4 To everyone who responded to my post about the work table, I would just like to say Thank You. All of the input was noted and appreciated. It is nice to be able to count on you guys for help, no matter what the problem may be. Thanks again. Regard Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: STAINLESS STEEL From: TRyker9649@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:50:33 EST X-Message-Number: 5 WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE .005 STAINLESS STEEL ON THE FIRE WALL. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT COULD ADD TO THIS AREA. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: STAINLESS STEEL From: JKM001@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:54:14 EST X-Message-Number: 6 Onr reason is fire protection, I think. Regards Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: STAINLESS STEEL From: boggyd@webtv.net (D Bogdan) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:16:47 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 7 not much of a "fire wall" without it regards, d ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Skinning the (banana) boat From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:05:51 PST X-Message-Number: 8 Hello, Netters The "skin first-bend later" v.s. "bend first-skin later" discussion always seems to come out the same: do what seems easiest to you; they both work. Some people soak and steam, some don't; some use wet towels laid over the sides while bending, etc.... but all will result in a distorted 'banana' shape when the boat sides are bent. But don't despair! If you're not to the point of building your boat sides yet, you can get full-size templates from Mark Lougheed, and his templates have built-in lofting which results in a _dead level_ top longeron when the sides are built. In other words, to overcome the 'dip' in the banana, you start out with 'hump' on top which goes level when the sides are bent. Mark is on the Net here somewhere... And for my view on the jokes thing, I'm like most- I love 'em, but not here, please. There are many, many other mailing lists out there which will readily keep your in-box full of jokes. The KRNet is an un-moderated list, but some posts make me wish it were otherwise sometimes. So when some of us go wayward, patience goes a long way, and so does the delete button. Oscar Zuniga webpage at www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Altimeter From: boggyd@webtv.net (D Bogdan) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:11:37 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 9 Sec 91 of the FAR's require an altimeter for aircraft VFR flight. You will also need an air speed indicator, and for each engine, gauges for oil temperature (water temp where possible) and RPM, and a gauge for each fuel tank (sight glass, mechanical, electrical, or electronic). Of course the kr doesn't qualify as an ultralight, therefore, you need a pilots license too... regards, d ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: FS Gear Legs From: "Dean Collette" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:42:38 -0600 X-Message-Number: 10 I have a pair of the Dan Diehl gear legs for sale. These are the standard dimensions and include the gear legs only (not the spar or axle mounts.) They were mounted once so they need a little cleaning up, but they were never finished or painted. These came from a project which I parted out. Why am I selling them? - Decided to go a different route (imagine that!) Make me an offer. Dean mailto:drdean@execpc.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: STAINLESS STEEL From: "Richard Parker" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:41:36 PST X-Message-Number: 11 It makes it look pretty. But some people put it there to protect the passenger compartment from fire. If you are using fiberfax or an asbestos type fireproofing it is use to protect that material as it is brittle. You dont need stainless, a coated mild steel is acceptable. (but doesnt look as pretty) Check out the book "Firewall Forward" by Tony Bingelis. Rich Parker >From: TRyker9649@aol.com >Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:50:33 EST >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Re: STAINLESS STEEL >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > >WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE .005 STAINLESS STEEL ON THE FIRE WALL. I >CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT COULD ADD TO THIS AREA. > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Table From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:49:25 -0700 X-Message-Number: 12 I know there have been alot of posts on the table bit, but here is what I have done. I used 2 ea 4x8x3/4 Medex, or Mdf partical board. It has a very hard and smooth serface on both sides. The Medex is waterproof and moisture resistant. They are about 40.00$ ea, and the Mdf is half that. (HomeDepot) Since my shop is 40x40 I wanted to be able to move it around. I used roller type nylon wheels with screw down levelers, that way when I screw up the levelers I can push it where ever. My table is strong enough for a completed KR to set on and still move it where ever. This table then can be used for anything anytime, and any where in my shop. I also put a power strip on one side in the middle to plug in all electrical tools. It also has shelfs under it for storing spruce etc. Thanks, Just my two cents worth. Rod Kelso Colorado ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Tom Crawford/Sport Aviation From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:11:22 EST X-Message-Number: 13 OK everyone, get your reading glasses out and prepare to copy the following ATIS. Tom Crawford'd KR, N262TC will have a six page article on it in the February issue of Sport Aviation. It took awhile since the pictures were taken at last years Sun & Fun, but better late than never. For those of you who have not seen Tom's airplane, it is absolutely fantastic (has a mach meter, he, he, he) and is one of the most meticulously assembled KRs I have even seen. We are in for a treat. Tom's KR has Deihl skins, RR premolded turtle deck, forward deck, cowling, built to plans powered by a type 4 VW and shows what you can do with this airplane. For those of you who haven't seen it, I've got a couple of shots of it on my web page on the "Misc." section. Check it out and waste some bandwidth with a couple of "me too's" I won't yell:-). Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tom Crawford/Sport Aviation From: "Richard Parker" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:30:09 PST X-Message-Number: 14 I can do better than you Dana - I've flown it. Rich Parker >OK everyone, get your reading glasses out and prepare to copy the following >ATIS. Tom Crawford'd KR, N262TC will have a six page article on it in the >February issue of Sport Aviation. It took awhile since the pictures were >taken at last years Sun & Fun, but better late than never. For those of you >who have not seen Tom's airplane, it is absolutely fantastic (has a mach >meter, he, he, he) and is one of the most meticulously assembled KRs I have >even seen. We are in for a treat. Tom's KR has Deihl skins, RR premolded >turtle deck, forward deck, cowling, built to plans powered by a type 4 VW and >shows what you can do with this airplane. For those of you who haven't seen >it, I've got a couple of shots of it on my web page on the "Misc." section. >Check it out and waste some bandwidth with a couple of "me too's" I won't >yell:-). > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Last Years Flyin Video From: "Bob Vermeulen" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:34:07 -0500 X-Message-Number: 15 ---------- > From: jscott.pilot@juno.com > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Last Years Flyin Video > Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 11:53 PM > > I e-mailed Video Bob last week and asked the same question. He has been > held up on all but some very short videos by some equipment problems. It > isn't that he hasn't been trying to get the equipment fixed, but there > have been numerous technical difficultites. I can assure you though, > Video Bob will come through just as soon as he can get his equipment > fixed. Nobody feels worse about the tapes being so late as a > professional like Video Bob. > > Jeff > Thanks for sticking up for me Jeff. Only someone who's been in this position fully understands the predicament. I've got an archiver that I paid nearly $5000 for only 4.5 years ago that's on the fritz. It's been obsolete for almost 2 years (can you believe it) and I can't find anybody that has the proper firmware to make it work with my application (digital non-linear editing). Today, I got a guy from Mass. (Quantum Corp) together with a guy from Calif. (Overland Data). Hopefully the solution will be coming shortly. I promise you, there will be a 98 Gathering Video. Please accept my apology for not having it done by now. In the meantime, keep building and by all means, make sure you're at the 99 Gathering. Video Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing Tanks From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:40:25 EST X-Message-Number: 16 I called the "Team Co" and found out that the tanks are only 5 Gal tanks not 10 and I am getting the specks from them via snail mail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Altimeter From: rdewees@juno.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:23:27 -0500 X-Message-Number: 17 I would agree about a sensitive altimeter being necessary. Even if your GPS gives excellent accuracy for elevation it reads pressure altitude or altitude referenced to standard temperature and barometric pressure.. often very different from actual pressure. Ron DeWees Atlanta On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:42:20 EST JKM001@aol.com writes: >I think I would want to have an altimeter just for the simple reason >of flying >from one elevation to the next to set the Barometric Pressure. As far >as being >required to, you may want to look in the FAR/AIM. > >Regards >Keith > >--- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Airplane parts for sale! From: BSHADR@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:49:04 EST X-Message-Number: 18 KRNetheads: This came across another list I'm on. Please respond to the guy who has the stuff for sale and not to KRNet or me. I don't know nut'in about this stuff, but the guy who passed the info along is decent enough. Randy Stein Soviet Monica, CA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tom Crawford/Sport Aviation From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:00:59 -0500 X-Message-Number: 19 Me Too :) I really loved the way it handled. Steep turns were effortless. -Tom Andersen Orlando FL KR-2S fuel tank KR-2S forward deck EA-81 Foam kit for KR-2 Take your pick, $200 each -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 4:36 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Tom Crawford/Sport Aviation >I can do better than you Dana - I've flown it. > >Rich Parker > > > >>OK everyone, get your reading glasses out and prepare to copy the >following >>ATIS. Tom Crawford'd KR, N262TC will have a six page article on it in >the >>February issue of Sport Aviation. It took awhile since the pictures >were >>taken at last years Sun & Fun, but better late than never. For those >of you >>who have not seen Tom's airplane, it is absolutely fantastic (has a >mach >>meter, he, he, he) and is one of the most meticulously assembled KRs I >have >>even seen. We are in for a treat. Tom's KR has Deihl skins, RR >premolded >>turtle deck, forward deck, cowling, built to plans powered by a type 4 >VW and >>shows what you can do with this airplane. For those of you who haven't >seen >>it, I've got a couple of shots of it on my web page on the "Misc." >section. >>Check it out and waste some bandwidth with a couple of "me too's" I >won't >>yell:-). >> >>Dana Overall >>Richmond, KY >>mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >>http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomkr2s@t-three.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing Tanks From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:05:22 -0500 X-Message-Number: 20 Would you please post the specs on the tanks? >From what I know, the Team wing is rather thick in comparison to the KR. Anyone know the thickness of the Team wing?? -Tom -----Original Message----- From: DClarke351@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 5:57 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Wing Tanks >I called the "Team Co" and found out that the tanks are only 5 Gal tanks not >10 and I am getting the specks from them via snail mail. > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomkr2s@t-three.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Last Years Flyin Video From: "RONALD R. EASON" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:14:12 -0600 X-Message-Number: 21 Hang in there Bob, it's OK. Ron At 05:34 PM 1/14/99 -0500, you wrote: > > >---------- >> From: jscott.pilot@juno.com >> To: KR-net users group >> Subject: [kr-net] Re: Last Years Flyin Video >> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 11:53 PM >> >> I e-mailed Video Bob last week and asked the same question. He has been >> held up on all but some very short videos by some equipment problems. It >> isn't that he hasn't been trying to get the equipment fixed, but there >> have been numerous technical difficultites. I can assure you though, >> Video Bob will come through just as soon as he can get his equipment >> fixed. Nobody feels worse about the tapes being so late as a >> professional like Video Bob. >> >> Jeff >> > >Thanks for sticking up for me Jeff. Only someone who's been in this >position fully understands the predicament. >I've got an archiver that I paid nearly $5000 for only 4.5 years ago that's >on the fritz. It's been obsolete for almost 2 years (can you believe it) >and I can't find anybody that has the proper firmware to make it work with >my application (digital non-linear editing). Today, I got a guy from Mass. >(Quantum Corp) together with a guy from Calif. (Overland Data). Hopefully >the solution will be coming shortly. I promise you, there will be a 98 >Gathering Video. Please accept my apology for not having it done by now. >In the meantime, keep building and by all means, make sure you're at the 99 >Gathering. > >Video Bob > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jrlkc@mindspring.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: STAINLESS STEEL From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:23:25 -0800 X-Message-Number: 22 On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:41:36 PST "Richard Parker" writes: >It makes it look pretty. > >But some people put it there to protect the passenger compartment from >fire. If you are using fiberfax or an asbestos type fireproofing it is >use to protect that material as it is brittle. You dont need stainless, >a coated mild steel is acceptable. (but doesnt look as pretty) >Check out the book "Firewall Forward" by Tony Bingelis. > >Rich Parker > > The Stainless steel is very thin and light and gives excellent fire protection. The fiberfrax provides the insulation. FWIW, you could just as easily use a sheet of thin aluminum, but it wouldn't offer as good of fire resistance as the stainless. Also very thin galvinized steel would work well in place of the stainless if you can find it. At any rate, the thin stainless and fiberfrax are an excellent combination for fire and heat protection in front of a wooden bulkhead (firewall). As mentioned before, it also looks good having that shiny stainless on your firewall. Jeff Scott Los Alamos, NM ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: STAINLESS STEEL From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:44:01 EST X-Message-Number: 23 In a message dated 1/14/99 8:27:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, jscott.pilot@juno.com writes: << As mentioned before, it also looks good having that shiny stainless on your firewall. >> Not to mention the fact that during your airworthiness inspection, a "suitable" fire protection barrier is required. They can gig you for not having it. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing Tanks From: Douglas Dorfmeier Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:03:23 -0800 X-Message-Number: 24 DClarke351@aol.com wrote: > > I called the "Team Co" and found out that the tanks are only 5 Gal tanks not > 10 and I am getting the specks from them via snail mail. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: doug.dorfmeier@worldnet.att.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com It sounds like you got further by calling them than I did sending them an email. My first request for information received a response "the tanks are 5 gallons" with no other detail. I sent a subsequent email asking for additional information and received by mail a diagram with deminsions and tank fill neck. No reference was made to materials used in construction, positioning of drain, fuel line or venting. Price which I had also requested was omitted. I am beginning to think that these people do not really want to be bothered with potential customers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing Tanks From: Douglas Dorfmeier Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:15:38 -0800 X-Message-Number: 25 Tom Andersen wrote: > > Would you please post the specs on the tanks? > >From what I know, the Team wing is rather thick in comparison to the KR. > Anyone know the thickness of the Team wing?? > -Tom > -----Original Message----- > From: DClarke351@aol.com > To: KR-net users group > Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 5:57 PM > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Wing Tanks > > >I called the "Team Co" and found out that the tanks are only 5 Gal tanks > not > >10 and I am getting the specks from them via snail mail. > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomkr2s@t-three.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: doug.dorfmeier@worldnet.att.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com The tank is 5.5" deep, length and width are 13.1875" by 18.6250". A filling tube extends 2.25" from the top of the tank and has an outside diameter of 2.2". It appears to have threads on about the last half inch. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: STAINLESS STEEL From: Donald Reid Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:28:48 -0500 X-Message-Number: 26 jscott.pilot@juno.com wrote: > The Stainless steel is very thin and light and gives excellent fire > protection. The fiberfrax provides the insulation. FWIW, you could just > as easily use a sheet of thin aluminum, but it wouldn't offer as good of > fire resistance as the stainless. Also very thin galvinized steel would I am sorry to say that aluminum will not pass a fire wall test, a certain temperature for a certain time. Aluminum has too low a melting temperature and transfers heat too well. As a fire wall, it is about useless. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Attaboy Rod From: Ron Freiberger Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:55:00 -0500 X-Message-Number: 27 Many persons who have nothing to say, forward jokes and virus scare stories to keep busy Subject: [kr-net] RE: Useless Facts Part TwoHere's the deal - I'll talk with her about how she wishes to proceed. >I'll >report back once she tells me. Everyone line up, take a number and >write it >on the back of a crisp new $20 bill. Too late. I called her today and told her I wanted to buy it, partly because she said I could keep it there for awhile until I find a workspace, the search for which is now kicking into high gear. Assuming I buy it, I expect to be getting rid of several things, including the throw-over control wheel, the Type 4 engine, the retractible tricycle gear, and all the gyro instruments (except possibly for a turn indicator). In the meantime, I'd like to hear from people building (or flying) the classic retractible gear design. I wouldn't have bought this gear if I were starting from scratch, but except for the nosewheel the retractible tricycle gear seems to be similar or identical to the standard retract gear, so I might as well use it if I can. There are several beef-up procedures for the lock mechanism in the Newsletters and I plan to build a plane as close to stock weight as I can. Also, of course, the retractible gear is much cooler. If anyone got rid of retractible gear, I'd like to hear about that, too, and also possibly buy some of your parts for spares. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------------------------------- "May your life be full of lawyers" -- Mexican curse ------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New airfoils From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:07:10 -0500 X-Message-Number: 30 Mark Ok i'm interested. Where can I get the profile for the "16%" version. -since my stubs are built to the original RAF profile it seems I would have to taper into the new profile over a couple of feet or so. Has RR reviewed this or are we in a world of our own. What sort of performance changes might I expect for such a hybrid bird. My next question involves the aileron hinges. Is the length and no. of the hinges specified? How are the hinges attached to the 1/4" false spars. Bolted I presume! Any specific type? ---------- From: Mark Langford To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Re: New airfoils Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 1:15 AM >Mark. I've completed the wing stubs and my spars are as per the KR2 except >that I've put webbing on both sides a la KR2S. Is it possible to adapt the >new airfoil to the KR2 spars? Yep. There's a 16% version that uses the stock main spar, although it's something like 47.5" rather than 48" chord, and requires the aft spar be 3/8" inch taller than the 4" stocker (glue on some leftover spruce to the top cap). Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford -----Original Message----- From: w.g. kirkland To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 6:20 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: New airfoils --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2 From: Morgan Family Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:55:22 -0500 X-Message-Number: 31 John I just checked out the picture of your kr. I recently acquired a kr that has also been in storage for several years and is minus its wings. It has 2100d revmaster engine with 16 hours total time since new, the rand retractable gear and regular bubble canopy. I will be working on it this winter and spring and hope to do first flights before sept. Would be interested in any advice from you as it appears you will be doing the same thing. If any others have any suggestions or helpful hints would appreciate same . Ron Morgan Brownsville, VT John Davison wrote: > Hello fellow KR Builders/Flyers, > > Here is the little KR-2 ready for it's trip to > Nashville, Tennessee. Now the real work can start. > This plane was built in 1976 and has been in storage > for a long time. The plane weighs in at 444lbs. > it is powered by a 1700 VW. with a Monett Conversion. > The foam used is the white Styrofoam like used in cups. > Back in 1976 it was the seventh KR-2 to fly. > My Dad has over 400+ hours in it. It was converted to a > tricyle gear in 1977 and was the first tri-geared KR-2. > I will keep you informed of the progress on this project. > > Sincerely, > > John Davison :^) > Nashville, Tennessee > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Name: kr-2.JPG > kr-2.JPG Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) > Encoding: base64 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: STAINLESS STEEL From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael C. Taglieri) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 02:17:33 EST X-Message-Number: 32 >You dont need stainless, a coated mild steel is acceptable. >(but doesnt look as pretty) Check out the book "Firewall Forward" >by Tony Bingelis. > >Rich Parker Doesn't he say somewhere that you need a thicker (i.e., heavier) piece of mild steel than stainless steel for equal fireproof-ness? Mike Taglieri ------------------------------------------------------- "May your life be full of lawyers" -- Mexican curse ------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR in Staten Island, NY From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael C. Taglieri) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 02:17:33 EST X-Message-Number: 33 Being a suspicious guy by nature, one of the things I like about this project is that he hasn't done anything I can't completely inspect, with one exception: the spar is done, closed up and mounted on the plane. I'm wondering how to tell whether he built it right inside and varnished the inside, or did the inspector sign that off before he closed the spar? (Or do they even still HAVE inspection before you close the spar?) This plane has been under construction for a very long time, so maybe it was signed-off, and there's something in his builder's notes, but assuming there isn't, I will have to open up the spar to look. Does anyone have any suggestions on the best way to do this? I'm assuming I can pull off the front or back spar web, check it out, varnish if necessary and put plywood back on (not the same piece, of course) without removing the spar from the fuselage, and without harming the spar caps or other things. I'm talking about the center spar, of course, since the wing spars are not ply on both sides on a KR-2. Obviously, I would have to destroy the piece of plywood coming off, but I don't see why I can't reinstall a new piece without taking out the spar. A second question is the work table: it's included in this project except I see no reason why I need it now, since it seems needed only for building the boat. Alternatively, should I chop it down and make a smaller work table for building other parts, or will any other parts need one? I have a Swedish-style workbench I will probably move to where I'm building the plane, so I do not need the table to serve the functions of a workbench. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------------------------------- "May your life be full of lawyers" -- Mexican curse ------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Useless Facts From: miketnyc@juno.com (Michael C. Taglieri) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 02:17:33 EST X-Message-Number: 34 > I strongley dissagree with you and everyone that supports >this kind of junk on a otherwise helpful net. . . . I'm the one who posted the initial jokes, and I apologize. I am on other lists that have serious technical discussions as well as lighter stuff, and I didn't realize this list was restrictive of that. However, I would also point out that this thread has so far wasted much more bandwidth on the evils of posting jokes to the list than I wasted on the original jokes. Could we put this behind us and get back to KR's, please? I promise I will post no more jokes on this list, and if I sin again you can connect me up to a Slick magneto for punishment. It would also be nice if people sending private messages to each other avoided posting those on the list, since that wastes bandwidth as well. Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com