From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 12:10 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: January 24, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Sunday, January 24, 1999. 1. Re: side mount control 2. Re: side mount control 3. Re: Air Brake Installation 4. Re: Bill Clinton's Bonanza Crash 5. Re: Bill Clinton's Bonanza Crash 6. Re: Looking for preformance info 7. Re: Bill Clinton's Bonanza Crash 8. Re: Bill Clinton's Bonanza Crash 9. Re: Dr.Deans KR? fuselage 10. Re: Dr.Deans KR? fuselage 11. Re: Bill Clinton's Bonanza Crash 12. Re: Air Brake Installation 13. Re: FS Gear Legs 14. Re: side mount control 15. Re: Air Brake Installation 16. Re: Bill Clinton's Bonanza Crash 17. RE: New bird comes in a little heavy? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: side mount control From: "Richard Parker" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 03:42:52 PST X-Message-Number: 1 Please do and post it. >From: NFCKR3@aol.com >Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:07:04 EST >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Re: side mount control >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > >I don't have any sketches but I have one. I bought Don Betchan's KR with a >side mounted stick and it really works great, also makes for easy entry and >exit. If you want I will shoot some photos and or make a crude sketch. It >looks to me like it is simpler than the rand system. > >Skip Carden and 250KB > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: side mount control From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:06:31 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 Are you the Skip Carden of the Ercoupe newsletter of years ago? RWM -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 6:44 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: side mount control >Please do and post it. > > >>From: NFCKR3@aol.com >>Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:07:04 EST >>To: "KR-net users group" >>Subject: [kr-net] Re: side mount control >>Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >> >>I don't have any sketches but I have one. I bought Don Betchan's KR >with a >>side mounted stick and it really works great, also makes for easy entry >and >>exit. If you want I will shoot some photos and or make a crude sketch. >It >>looks to me like it is simpler than the rand system. >> >>Skip Carden and 250KB >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >> > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Air Brake Installation From: "Doug Peyton" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 05:08:10 PST X-Message-Number: 3 To Bernard Morris: I attached big flat fiberglass/foam surfaces to the fronts of my landing gear. They extend down as far as the bottoms of the wheel rims, or about 2" above the floor. When the gear goes down I should have air brakes! I haven't flown the KR-2 yet; I hope I'll be able to pull the landing gear down. All that air pressure against them may make it difficult. By the way, this whole thing developed when I built cowlings around my (retracted) landing gear. >From: "Bernard Morris" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Air Brake Installation >Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:59:26 +0100 >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > >Hello, I'm Brian Normington based in the U.K. and having built and flown = >my for the past eight years. I would like to hear from anyone with any = >knowledge or experience of fitting an "Airbrake". Information wanted for = >airbrake installation on a standard KR2 with retractable gear:- e.g. - = >dimensions of airbrake, position on fuselage, method of operation plus = >any other advice you believe would be of interest to me. > Thanks in advance - Brian=20 > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Bill Clinton's Bonanza Crash From: Stinak@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:01:04 EST X-Message-Number: 4 Greetings As most American aviators know a Bonanza is a single not a twin. Just more B.S.. This is to be expected from one of Bill's friends no truth just B.S.. Sorry to take up your time with this. We aviators are individualist, and socialist like Bill won't let us keep our freedom, that some take for granted. Bob Jennings Anchorage, Alaska ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Bill Clinton's Bonanza Crash From: Willard561@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:20:06 EST X-Message-Number: 5 Actually there was and is a Twin Bonanza( aka the T BONE) it also was refered to as the Box the Bonanza came in. They are on the large size and fit in between the Traveler and the D-18 in size. The Army used them a lot at one time. They are fairly cheap, as the engines are high time and EXPENSIVE to overhaul!!!!! I can't remeber which engine it is. Bill Higdon Willard561@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Looking for preformance info From: Jim Faughn Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:29:37 -0600 X-Message-Number: 6 I thought I would throw in some figures with what others might say. > According to the owner at 3100 rpm he is getting about 130mph and flat out 155. My KR2 cruises 155-160 mph at 3250 and at full throttle is at 165-170. I rarely run it at full throttle. It costs an extra gallon per hour to gain the extra 10 mph. If I have the need for speed, I like to do "missed approaches" at about 10 ft above the runway at about 200. > The weight is 550. Mine is 625. With 2 people (at 180lbs each) full fuel (15 gal or 90lbs) and 50 lbs of baggage I came out at a gross of 1125. According to the weight and balance, I am still 2" ahead of the published aft limit for CG. With this weight over the design weight, I degrade the G rating to 4G (This is a guess but it is probably pretty close, the idea is don't go out trying to pull the wings off with two people on board.) I should note that I typically fly alone so the weight would then be around 930 or so with the extra stuff I carry. The other point is my wife doesn't weigh anywhere near 180 so when she flys with me we are in the 1050 lb range with baggage. What all this means is that the only time I fly near my gross is giving rides and then I do it without baggage. I think my plane is probably in the middle range of the KR's out there today. I have heard of empty weights from the low 500s to the high 700s. > If I hear of some folks getting 180-200 mph and a little range I might buy it. The planes with Contentals in them are getting this speed and most have added extra fuel for the range. However you are talking about the high empty weights. -- Jim Faughn N8931JF St. Louis, MO (314) 652-7659 or (573) 465-8039 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Bill Clinton's Bonanza Crash From: "Steven Welebny" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:41:42 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 Do politics really belong in the KR list? There was a Twin Bonanza, and it was a neat solid and strong airplane. It was not an uncommon one either. The military and Guard units had (have?) loads of the things. The Twin Bonanza had geared Lycoming engines, similar I believe to the AeroCommander 680E that my dad used to fly. I believe he has some T-Bone time also. If memory serves, they were GTSIO480's or something like that. Maybe someone knows better. If I have the lineage right, the T-Bone evolved into the Queen Air, which evolved into the King Air, ect. Occasionally a gearbox would let go and the engine blow itself to bits. I know there was a conversion for the Queen Air that replaced the expensive Lycomings, and put flatter cowlings on it, called an Excalibur, but don't remember if they did it to the T-Bone. I think they did. Sorry, I know this isn't the Beechcraft list and I don't want to waste the groups time. But the post was wrong. Still don't know if I will build a KR or not, I have plans for the stretch Sonerai, but for now I find the dialogue back and forth very educational for the most part. Steve Welebny Avonlea Farm NH ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Bill Clinton's Bonanza Crash From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:01:31 -0800 X-Message-Number: 8 Stinak@aol.com wrote: > <>> There was a Twin Bonanza. It didn't look at all like a A-36 but they called it a Twin Bonanza anyhow. What's going on in Anchorage these days? Talk about having a hard time find cheep hanger space! -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Dr.Deans KR? fuselage From: JKM001@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:25:38 EST X-Message-Number: 9 I really like the way the fuselage is constructed, but I have don laminating before and it is very time concuming. There again, I am not one to go changing a design that has worked for many years in the past. Build the palne according to plans, leave the airfoil alone, widen it a little if you want, but remember that you are building a KR-2, you never know what you may have if you deviate too much. This is just my opinion and that and $.75 will buy you a cup of coffee. Regards Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Dr.Deans KR? fuselage From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:50:04 -0800 X-Message-Number: 10 JKM001@aol.com wrote: > << years in the past. >>> I think Dr Dean gave up a LONG time ago trying to "modify" the KR series. What he has done is in fact design a new airplane. And he plans to market it as so. I wish I had the time and resources to do the same. If Ken were still around I am sure RR would have done something similar. I think your advise is good advise for most people. But some of us feel STRONGLY that there are a few design changes that need to be made to the KR series to ease construction and to make it a safer , better flying airplane. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Bill Clinton's Bonanza Crash From: Krwr1@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:10:38 EST X-Message-Number: 11 In a message dated 1/24/99 10:02:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, Stinak@aol.com writes: > > As most American aviators know a Bonanza is a single not a twin. Just more > B.S.. > This is to be expected from one of Bill's friends no truth just B.S.. > Sorry to take up your time with this. We aviators are individualist, and > socialist like Bill won't let us keep our freedom, that some take for > granted. > How True, How True Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Air Brake Installation From: MARVIN MCCOY Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:50:28 -0800 X-Message-Number: 12 Doug Peyton wrote: > > To Bernard Morris: > I attached big flat fiberglass/foam surfaces to the fronts of my > landing gear. They extend down as far as the bottoms of the wheel rims, > or about 2" above the floor. When the gear goes down I should have air > brakes! ------------ Doug: What does that do when you are trying to take off?? Marvin McCoy Seattle WA. ------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FS Gear Legs From: Blah ba Blah Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:22:42 -0800 X-Message-Number: 13 I have for sale Dan Diehl's landing gear setup for a taildragger. Will sell for 1/2 of the current price plus shipping. Details- the spar mount area has been machined flat, the legs have been fiberglassed and glued to the spar mounts with a brake line guide tube in the rear of the legs, the axle mounts have been drilled and backup plates made. If you are not happy with my work done as per dan's instructions I will refund your money minus shipping cost. David Ahrens, Bakersfield, Ca. 805 589-4883 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: side mount control From: NFCKR3@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:40:42 EST X-Message-Number: 14 Yes Guilty as charged! Skip ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Air Brake Installation From: "Michael C. Taglieri" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:52:06 EST X-Message-Number: 15 >I attached big flat fiberglass/foam surfaces to the fronts of my >landing gear. They extend down as far as the bottoms of the wheel rims, >or about 2" above the floor. When the gear goes down I should have air >brakes! I haven't flown the KR-2 yet; I hope I'll be able to pull the >landing gear down. All that air pressure against them may make it >difficult. By the way, this whole thing developed when I built cowlings >around my (retracted) landing gear. Interesting idea, but you're going to be taking off with them too? Or is there a away to make them come down only on landings? Mike Taglieri ------------------------------------------------------- "May your life be full of lawyers" -- Mexican curse ------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Bill Clinton's Bonanza Crash From: "Michael C. Taglieri" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:52:06 EST X-Message-Number: 16 Just for the record, I posted this without any intention of putting politics on this list. I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about this incident, since it's significant for the future of General Aviation if Senators and Presidents are GA pilots, regardless of whether you like the persons involved. I guess no one knows anything about this crash, which may have happened decades ago. If people want to use it to rant about their own politicical beliefs, I can't stop it, but that was not my intention. Mike Taglieri ------------------------------------------------------- "May your life be full of lawyers" -- Mexican curse ------------------------------------------------------- >> As most American aviators know a Bonanza is a single not a twin. >Just more >> B.S.. >> This is to be expected from one of Bill's friends no truth just >B.S.. >> Sorry to take up your time with this. We aviators are >individualist, and >> socialist like Bill won't let us keep our freedom, that some take >for >> granted. >> > How True, How True > Bill > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: miketnyc@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: New bird comes in a little heavy? From: "Blandford, Carlton C" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:09:00 +0200 X-Message-Number: 17 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE4831.950213B2 Content-Type: text/plain Hi JC, I have a 2.1 fuel injected engine installed with a planetary reduction drive. This engine comes from a 1992 model microbus. The reduction I built myself at a cost of R3500, I'm lead to believe that imported "Ross"planetary units cost in the region of R16000, that was in 96 when I was doing my conversion. If I can give you "free" advise, use the EA81, this is a better engine and not as heavy as the boxer type engines. I know of a local engineering company that converts these engines and with a geared reduction you can acquire one in the region of R15000-20000. They claim this weights in at 95KG dry. My engine weight in at 125KGwet, that includes the prop that weights 5KG. To get back to reductions, there is no company in this country that has a proven reduction drive, be careful what you purchase I can be contacted on (011)636-8372 or my direct email CBlandford@mail.sbic.co.za if you require more info. My aircraft is based at Vereeniging, south of JHB Cheer Carlton > -----Original Message----- > From: J.C. MARAIS [SMTP:jcmarais@lantic.co.za] > Sent: 23 January 1999 09:16 > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] RE: New bird comes in a little heavy? > > > Blandford, Carlton C wrote: > > My bird comes in at 740 pounds but i have 115HP up front, this one is > > scheduled to fly on 6/2/99. > > > Hi Carlton, > > Good to see somebody ready to start testing. > > What engine did you use that gives you 115hp? > Where do you stay? I am in Centurion (Verwoerburg) near Pretoria, and > would like to see your plane if you are in this area. > > I am busy converting an EA81T. Actually I am planning to, since I am > still looking for an fuel injection controlling unit. > If we have anybode from JAPAN on this list, I would like to hear from > you - maybe we could do some business!! > > This morning I've been to a company that builds reduction drives both > for VW and Subaru. I looked reallly good, but at R10 000 (about > US$1660) I am not sure if I should jump at it, or rather look at units > available from USA. What could one expect to pay for an internal gear > unit? > > > Regards. > > JC > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: CBlandford@mail.sbic.co.za > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01BE4831.950213B2 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [kr-net] RE: New bird comes in a little heavy?

Hi JC,
I have a 2.1 fuel = injected engine installed with a planetary reduction drive. This engine = comes from a 1992 model microbus. The reduction I built myself at a = cost of R3500, I'm lead to believe that imported = "Ross"planetary units cost in the region of R16000, that was = in 96 when I was doing my conversion. 

If I can give you = "free" advise, use the EA81, this is a better engine and not = as heavy as the boxer type engines. I know of a local engineering = company that converts these engines and with a geared reduction you can = acquire one in the region of R15000-20000. They claim this weights in = at 95KG dry. My engine weight in at 125KGwet, that includes the prop = that weights 5KG.

To get back to = reductions, there is no company in this country that has a proven = reduction drive, be careful what you purchase

I can be contacted = on (011)636-8372 or my direct email CBlandford@mail.sbic.co.za if you = require more info.

My aircraft is based = at Vereeniging, south of JHB
 
Cheer
Carlton

    -----Original Message-----
    From:   J.C. MARAIS [SMTP:jcmarais@lantic.co.za]
    Sent:   23 January 1999 09:16
    To:     KR-net users group
    Subject:       = [kr-net] RE: New bird comes in a = little heavy?

    > = Blandford, Carlton C wrote:
    > My bird = comes in at 740 pounds but i have 115HP up front, this one is
    > = scheduled to fly on 6/2/99.
    >
    Hi = Carlton,

    Good to see = somebody ready to start testing.

    What engine = did you use that gives you 115hp?
    Where do you = stay?  I am in Centurion (Verwoerburg) near Pretoria, and
    would like to = see your plane if you are in this area.

    I am busy = converting an EA81T. Actually I am planning to, since I am
    still looking = for an fuel injection controlling unit.
    If we have = anybode from JAPAN on this list, I would like to hear from
    you - maybe = we could do some business!!

    This morning = I've been to a company that builds reduction drives both
    for VW and = Subaru.  I looked reallly good, but at R10 000 (about
    US$1660) I am = not sure if I should jump at it, or rather look at units
    available = from USA.  What could one expect to pay for an internal = gear
    unit?


    Regards.

    JC

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