From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 12:36 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: February 02, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Tuesday, February 02, 1999. 1. Re: Intercom Kit from RST 2. Re: Intercom Kit from RST 3. Re:Sport Aviation 4. Re: Rear drive sysyem 5. Re:Sport Aviation 6. Re: Rear drive sysyem 7. Re: Rear drive sysyem 8. Re: Rear drive system 9. Re:Sport Aviation 10. Gear Installation 11. Re:Sport Aviation 12. Re:Sport Aviation 13. Re: Rear drive sysyem 14. Re: Rear drive sysyem 15. Re: N262TC 16. Re: Rear drive system 17. Re: Rear drive sysyem 18. Re: Rear drive sysyem 19. Re: Gear Installation 20. M-19 21. Test? 22. Re: retract or not 23. Re: M-19 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Intercom Kit from RST From: NFCKR3@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 08:34:15 EST X-Message-Number: 1 You could use them in ANYTHING, there is no need to remove a perfectly good working radio because of this ruling, if you want more info iI will post the entire ruling. Skip ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Intercom Kit from RST From: "Tim LeDoux" Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:12:28 -0600 X-Message-Number: 2 You are forgetting that the the radios are regulated by the FCC and homebuilt aircraft are regulated by the FAA , that is the FCC could give a hoot about what the radio is installed in be it a B-777 or a KR-2. ---------- > From: Mike Mims > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Intercom Kit from RST > Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 12:13 AM > > NFCKR3@aol.com wrote: > > > <<<"When a radio is removed fro service, if it does not meet the frequency > > standards then it can no longer be used as a > > transmitter." I bet you would be surprised as to the number of perfectly good > > radios this one has shelved, >>> > > You could still use these in homebuilts couldn't you? > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now > mailto:mikemims@home.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Aliso Viejo Ca > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tjledoux@flash.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Sport Aviation From: MARKETOWL@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:07:19 EST X-Message-Number: 3 In a message dated 2/1/99 7:41:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, ECLarsen81@aol.com writes: << Sport Aviation, >> I would like to subscribe to this publication. Can some one send me information relating contacting the publishing/subscription company. Also are there any other publication out there that cater to the home builder I currently get Kitplanes Thanks so much Richard Remund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rear drive sysyem From: MARKETOWL@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:01:30 EST X-Message-Number: 4 The KR2s kit has been of great interest to me for some time. Questions regarding the use of the VW powerplant has left me with questions: 1. Does the use of the new rear drive system do out soon, allow users to run near stock VW engines? I realize that the cams lift and duration should be changed as well as the bore/stroke. I have built several VW engines for my Karman Ghia and Bug and understand the importance of setting endplay. The rear drive system seems to allow the engine to handle thrust bearing loads the way the engineers designed it to. 2. What are the main issues /problems associated with aircraft carburation as related to VW conversions? Air mixtures/tempture/icing? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much Richard Remund Still under construction http://hometown.aol.com/staciamail/usairwave/fly1.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Sport Aviation From: "Albert Pecoraro" Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:06:37 EST X-Message-Number: 5 <> Netters & Newbies, In order to get Sport Aviation magazine you need to become a member of the EAA (Experimental Aircraft Association) - Here is the text from their web-site: <> Here is the link to that page - http://www.eaa.org/benefits/sportaviation/index.html I hope this helps! ;-) Albert Pecoraro Kentwood, MI 49508 616-281-3828 (H) 616-247-2803 (W) apec97@hotmail.com http://fly.to/hangar-AP <--- Now it's ready! KR-2S - Spruce arrived! Waiting for ply ... Machined my own Wing Attach Fittings Built table ... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rear drive sysyem From: "Mark Langford" Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:27:25 -0000 X-Message-Number: 6 Richard Remund wrote: >1. Does the use of the new rear drive system do out soon, allow users to run >near stock VW engines? The flywheel and coupling should dampen the engine's power pulses sufficiently to run a stock forged crank, although I'd think you'd want it counterweighted just for principle. I think Steve said he was going to test it with a cast crank (worst case) so that if anything was going to break, it would do so early in testing. Don't know if he really did that, but the expensive 4340 Scat crank should no longer be necessary. The drive housing's thrust bearing takes all of the thrust loads, so the engine case won't even come into play there. I noticed on Great Plain's web site that expected release date is April, with price set at $1795 for the Type 1 version, a little more for the Type 4. See it at: http://www.greatplainsas.com/reardrv.html . Carbs on VW's have the same problems as anywhere else: icing, starting, and mixture control. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rear drive sysyem From: "Mark Langford" Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:29:53 -0000 X-Message-Number: 7 I should have mentioned that Steve has said that he'd sell the rear drive system piece meal. The price I quoted is for the complete accessory package including alternator, starter, distributor etc. His new catalog might have it broken down a bit... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rear drive system From: David Moore Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:54:15 +0000 X-Message-Number: 8 Richard, Any questions you have about the rear drive system on the vw would probably be best answered by the designer Steve Bennet at GreatPlanes. He sells a conversion short and long bloke engine derived from the vw. He is now developing the rear drive system for the Type 1 and Type 4. As for Sport Aviation Magazine, when you become a member of EAA (Experimental Aircraft Association) you will receive a subscription as part of your membership, and if you don't belong do yourself a favor and join. You have the beginning of a nice web page congratulations, and welcome to KRnet, we may not all agree but we do try to stat the facts and share information about this great little plane. Dave Moore At 12:01 PM 2/2/99 EST, you wrote: >The KR2s kit has been of great interest to me for some time. Questions >regarding the use of the VW powerplant has left me with questions: >1. Does the use of the new rear drive system do out soon, allow users to run >near stock VW engines? I realize that the cams lift and duration should be >changed as well as the bore/stroke. I have built several VW engines for my >Karman Ghia and Bug and understand the importance of setting endplay. The >rear drive system seems to allow the engine to handle thrust bearing loads the >way the engineers designed it to. >2. What are the main issues /problems associated with aircraft carburation as >related to VW conversions? Air mixtures/tempture/icing? > >Any comments would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks so much >Richard Remund >Still under construction > >http://hometown.aol.com/staciamail/usairwave/fly1.htm > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dgmoore1@gte.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > David G. Moore mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net Henderson, Nevada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Sport Aviation From: Horn2004@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:09:45 EST X-Message-Number: 9 In a message dated 2/2/99 12:52:45 PM, MARKETOWL@aol.com writes: <<<< Sport Aviation, >> I would like to subscribe to this publication. Can some one send me information relating contacting the publishing/subscription company. Also are there any other publication out there that cater to the home builder I currently get Kitplanes>> The subscription to Sport Aviation is included with your membership to EAA. I don't think you can buy the publication by itself on the newstand. You can become a member of the Experimental Aircraft Assocation over the phone with a credit card or through their web site (I think). The URL is http://www.eaa.org/ Lots of people pooh pooh the EAA for its seeming departure from grassroots aviation. I think they lost their focus when the younger Poberezny (sp?) took the helm several years ago. He's just a PR man who probably has never had much of a budget stand in the way of his flying. Aside from that, I think the EAA membership is well worth the money (about the cost of a case of good Canadian beer, ie. "a two four"). You might have to ask for the Feb. issue if you want to see Tom's KR2. Otherwise, they will probably start you with the March issue of Sport Aviation. Good luck, Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Gear Installation From: "Robert Sauer" Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:04:57 -0600 X-Message-Number: 10 Will anyone out there share the Diehl tri-gear installation instructions for the main gear part??? I've requested same from Diehl with no response. E-mail to my address appreciated. Thanks Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Sport Aviation From: "Saunders" Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:09:58 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11 You can contact EAA at 800-564-6322, 8:00 to 7:00 PM CST. Their Web site is: http://www.eaa.org The subscription comes with membership in the national organization Mike -----Original Message----- From: MARKETOWL@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 1:48 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re:Sport Aviation >In a message dated 2/1/99 7:41:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, ECLarsen81@aol.com >writes: > ><< Sport > Aviation, >> >I would like to subscribe to this publication. Can some one send me >information relating contacting the publishing/subscription company. Also are >there any other publication out there that cater to the home builder I >currently get Kitplanes > >Thanks so much >Richard Remund > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: saunders@hereintown.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Sport Aviation From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:12:47 -0700 X-Message-Number: 12 I believe that you need to join EAA in order to get Sport Aviation Rod. ---------- > From: MARKETOWL@aol.com > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re:Sport Aviation > Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 10:07 AM > > In a message dated 2/1/99 7:41:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, ECLarsen81@aol.com > writes: > > << Sport > Aviation, >> > I would like to subscribe to this publication. Can some one send me > information relating contacting the publishing/subscription company. Also are > there any other publication out there that cater to the home builder I > currently get Kitplanes > > Thanks so much > Richard Remund > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rbk@orci.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rear drive sysyem From: "Tom Cummings" Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:38:41 -0600 X-Message-Number: 13 The rear drive system is broken down into piece mael components in Great Plains's new catalog. Also, the force one bearing treatment ( and expense) is not required with the rear drive system, either. Tom ---------- > From: Mark Langford > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Rear drive sysyem > Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 7:29 AM > > I should have mentioned that Steve has said that he'd sell the rear drive > system piece meal. The price I quoted is for the complete accessory package > including alternator, starter, distributor etc. His new catalog might have > it broken down a bit... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomlc@communique.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rear drive sysyem From: Great Plains Aircraft Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 16:50:09 +0000 X-Message-Number: 14 Great Plains completed testing of the rear drive on 1/21/99. We complted our 100 hour test. the engine was torn down and inspected. The crankshaft passed 100 % as did the drive system. We are currently making the housings in the month of FEB. and will do the driveshafts in March. Will have systems available in April. Also just about have the top mounted intakes available for the Ellison EFS-2. Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: N262TC From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:14:28 -0500 X-Message-Number: 15 Just got my Feb. issue of SA today. What a great article and what a great KR! Does Tom hang out here in the list? If not, can someone send me his email address? I'd like to talk to him about his T-4 conversion. Thanks, WD At 08:26 AM 2/1/99 -0600, you wrote: >Netters, >If you haven't had the chance to look through this month's edition of Sport >Aviation, I suggest you spend a little time with this one. Pages 42 - 48 >will show you what a KR is supposed to look like. I had the distinct >opportunity to see Tom's airplane while it was at the EAA fly-in at Oshkosh. >As beautiful as these pictures are - they don't really convey the >outstanding workmanship and detail in this airplane. > >Congratulations Tom! > >Dean >mailto:drdean@execpc.com >Web Site at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home .htm > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dodger@coincidental.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > Wayne DeLisle Sr. E-mail:dodger@.coincidential.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rear drive system From: "Mark Langford" Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:15:09 -0000 X-Message-Number: 16 David Moore wrote: >Any questions you have about the rear drive system on the vw would probably >be best answered by the designer Steve Bennet at GreatPlanes. True, and I meant to say it, but I know how Steve hates to spend time writing email, so I thought I'd do him the favor of getting most of it out of the way. I have a feeling Steve's reply would have been far shorter. Sorry, I'll try to keep my trap shut when it has to do with other people's business, but just trying to help. I feel like I know a little something about it, since I designed my own rear drive system at about the same time he did. We compared notes at Oshkosh the first year he displayed it, and they were amazingly similar. I guess that's good news for both of us... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rear drive sysyem From: MARKETOWL@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:57:53 EST X-Message-Number: 17 I Have viewed the the Great Plains site and have seen the test rigg"air-boat". This setup has the installation as pusher (trust in reverse). Is this a valid method of apling thrust to the systems bearings housing ect.. Also how would this system be mounted to the airframes firewall. Is the VW case strong enough to hang from a mount attached to the "opposite" (generator/belt-pulley) side. A special mount should be created to bolt to the bell-housing side. I am sure this has been already has been addressed. Sorry to waste bandwidth, I am just filled w/ questions. I will study all the sites and pictures further to bring myself up to speed. Can't wait to see how the new tail, airfoil and drive system effect the KR design. New EAA member RIch Remund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rear drive sysyem From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:45:36 -0800 X-Message-Number: 18 MARKETOWL@aol.com wrote: > << rigg"air-boat". This setup has the installation as pusher (trust in reverse). > Is this a valid method of apling thrust to the systems bearings housing ect.. > Also how would this system be mounted to the airframes firewall. Is the VW case > strong enough to hang from a mount attached to the "opposite">>>> You may want to go to Steve's site and read the "Beetle Flyer" it will answer all of your questions. But as for the mount a new "bed type" mount is used. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gear Installation From: Jeffrey E Scott Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:10:46 -0700 X-Message-Number: 19 Installation for the tri-gear mains is exactly the same as for the taildragger except that the castings and gear legs go on the back of the spar instead of the front. I assume that you got the directions for installing the gear legs for the taildragger installation. I not, I'm sure one of us can scan them in and send them to you. Jeff Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213W construction and first flight at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kjeffs.html http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:04:57 -0600 "Robert Sauer" writes: >Will anyone out there share the Diehl tri-gear installation >instructions for >the main gear part??? I've requested same from Diehl with no >response. >E-mail to my address appreciated. Thanks Bob > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jscott.pilot@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: M-19 From: Bruce Gomm Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 22:19:45 -0600 X-Message-Number: 20 Can someone tell me the address of the M-19 that was mentioned on the net a couple of weeks ago? Thanks Bruce Gomm brucegomm@sprintmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Test? From: Patrick Flowers Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 00:00:51 -0500 X-Message-Number: 21 No messages today. Is the list down? -- Patrick Flowers Mailto:patri63@ibm.net The GMC Motorhome Page http://www.gmcmotorhome.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: retract or not From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 00:18:51 -0500 X-Message-Number: 22 Gee Ross When I started my flight training in 54 on an Aeronca Champ ($9.00/hr solo $11 dual I didn't know it was "advanced" training. W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: Ross Youngblood > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: retract or not > Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 3:37 PM > > David McKelvey wrote: > > > > Hey netters, > > > > I set out to biuld my KR1 w/ fixed tri gear. However, > > I'm thinking that I should stick to the conv. retrac that > > started it all. The fixed gear is more $$ and I assume > > it wieghs more. Ofcoarse your going to loose a few knotts > > with the gear hanging in the breeze too. I have no tail > > dragger time, but thats easy to fix, it's just the short > > fuselage that makes me nervous. What do you think? > > > > dave > > Dave, > I have the retract gear... I can say that you could be > ahead in TIME if you spend a little $$ for the fixed gear. > > I don't think you loose a few knots with the fixed gear, > in fact I have heard some reports that you might gain some > speed. The KR retract does not retract completely into the > wing, so there is still some drag. In fact, one could make > an argument that there may be more drag with the retract, as > there is a larger wedge of disturbance under the wing as > opposed to the fixed gear. > > Also... I have found it is difficult to get good taildragger > time, and it is $$$, as it is usually considered "advanced" > instruction. I am still working on my taildragger endorsement > and hope to finish it this spring. > > -- Regards > Ross > > -- > Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 > Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 > Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 > Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: M-19 From: "Tom Cummings" Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 01:09:05 -0600 X-Message-Number: 23 See Tom Cummings ---------- > From: Bruce Gomm > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] M-19 > Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 10:19 PM > > Can someone tell me the address of the M-19 that was mentioned on the > net a couple of weeks ago? > > Thanks > Bruce Gomm > brucegomm@sprintmail.com > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomlc@communique.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com