From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 12:25 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: February 11, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Thursday, February 11, 1999. 1. Re: Fwd: Fw: Virus Warning - No Joke! 2. gear legs and Hotmail users 3. Re: Flutter 4. Re: Engine Cooling 5. Attachments, etc. 6. Re:goodies 7. How do you handle the bumps / Glassing the wing ? 8. Re: How do you handle the bumps / Glassing the wing ? 9. RULE OF THUMB ENGINES 10. Wing spars, (revisited) 11. Re: Flutter 12. Re: Wing spars, (revisited) 13. Re: Wing spars, (revisited) 14. Re: Wing spars, (revisited) 15. Re: Wing spars, (revisited) 16. Re: How do you handle the bumps / Glassing the wing ? 17. Virus Warning - No Joke! 18. Re: Wing spars, (revisited) 19. Re: Wing spars, (revisited) 20. Measuring Wing Incidence 21. Re: Measuring Wing Incidence ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Virus Warning - No Joke! From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:32:11 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1 At 07:21 PM 2/10/99 EST, you wrote: THIS IS ANOTHER EMAIL HOAX!!! Go to http://pc.ibm.com and look in their anti-virus support pages. Please guys!!! Check these things out before you spread them. You do no one a service by forwarding unverified crap such as this. WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email: dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: gear legs and Hotmail users From: "Richard Parker" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 03:27:33 PST X-Message-Number: 2 I checked again on the long gear legs and my contact is going to have some cut with some special band saw that holds .005 The delay has been because someone contracted with him to make a gear reduction and controllable prop hub for a 3 bladed 72 inch warp drive thats going on a 700 shaft hp turbine that is going on a gyro. He needs to have it done by Bensen and Sun and Fun. I also have another contact who says he can make it out of 80xx Aluminum. (not real common) I have to doble check the specs on it. Also have any Hotmail users been experiencing deathly slow downloads? e-mail me privately Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm Jaffrey, NH ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Flutter From: Krwr1@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:02:07 EST X-Message-Number: 3 In a message dated 2/10/99 11:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, drdean@execpc.com writes: > > A week or so ago, somebody was asking about flutter. This just came across > the DragonFly List and I found it very interesting reading. I will repost it > here, unedited. > Bill Here I experienced flutter one time in the KR while making a high speed pass . Lucky for me I had just started to pull up and reduced power when it struck. The ailerons were a blur . I had just repainted the wings and did not rebalence the ailerons. I found no damage to the ailerons or wings. I almost meet my maker that day. WildBill(not so wild anymore) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine Cooling From: Donald Reid Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:36:09 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4 Thanks for the info. It is just what I needed to feel better about my calculations. I got a similar but slightly smaller size when I worked out the numbers. One thing that helps reduce the area is to use a circular opening (like on a Lancair), it is a more efficient shape. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Attachments, etc. From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:01:49 PST X-Message-Number: 5 Hello, netters I am not an official 'anything' on this list, but sure do get lots of benefit from it. There seems to be an unwritten rule (or maybe our list server preferences are set up that way) that attachments to posts are a no-no. Reason is, not everybody can 'do' attachments, plus they make posts and digests unneccesarily huge and downloads sluggish. Pictures and graphics are of immeasurable value (just go look at Mike Mims' or Mark Langford's websites), but this list should be text-only so it can be fast and clean. Post pictures and graphics on a webpage for viewing or downloading by anybody who is interested; it keeps things fast for everybody if they can view and download when they want to, not when they try to keep up with KRNet posts. By all means scan and post stuff and let everybody know how to get it... if they are interested. Last comment before I duck back into my library: the "please forward this to everybody you know" type of post shouldn't be forwarded to KRNet, regardless of content. Just watched the "Tuning the POSA" video which Paul Martin lent me. Cool! Ran everybody out of the room when I cranked up the volume on Patrick Taylor running the Magnum wide-open on the test stand ;o) Carb on my engine isn't the POSA, but the tuning tips are great for any engine. Oscar Zuniga website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:goodies From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:45:12 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 Hello netheads, I just relieved my free Magellan GPS 2000 XL.... Yes, I said free, for only 30,000 bonus points on my Visa card. (you remember green stamps, right). (-; What a neat toy.. First thing I'm going to do is walk over to the airport and check it out with known coordinates..... I just stumbled into an interesting web site that sells composite materials. Thought I'd pass it on for anyone's interest. http://www.acp-composites.com/ WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. Email: dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: How do you handle the bumps / Glassing the wing ? From: Ron Freiberger Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:51:30 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 The one issue I've been stewing over, perhaps for no reason, is how do you put the fibergless cloth on diagonally and not have ridges and lumps where they overlap? Do you putty them up and ignore, and is there a technique for getting smooth joins? Also, is there data to support the need to go at 45 degrees, or is just something that seems right? Ron Freiberger ... ready to build wings in Fort Myers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: How do you handle the bumps / Glassing the wing ? From: "Mark Langford" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:17:33 -0000 X-Message-Number: 8 Ron Freiberger wrote: >Also, is there data to support the need to go at 45 degrees, or is just >something that seems right? Aligning the threads at 45 degrees gives the max torsional regidity, something you'd like in a wing. Since you have threads going in both directions, you get .707(2), which is better than 1x1. This is standard practice in wings. Overlap the joint two inches, and micro over the seam. If you use peelply over the joint, you'll hardly notice it. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RULE OF THUMB ENGINES From: "RONALD R.EASON" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:20:55 -0800 X-Message-Number: 9 TEMPERATURE CORRECTION ERROR IN LAST NOTE HERE IS A CORRECTION. 3% OF H.P. IS LOST FOR EVERY 1000 FT ABOVE SEA LEVEL, ADDITIONALY 1% OF H.P. IS LOST FOR EVERY 10 DEG F ABOVE 60 DEG F. THERE FOR A 100 HP ENGINE AT 5000 FT AND 70 DEG F PRODUCES 100-((.03 x 5 x 100) +(.01 x 1 x 100))= 84 HP TO THE PROP. ( 16% LOST HP ) AT 10,000 FT AND 60 DEG F IT WOULD BE 70 HP ( 30% LOST HP ) A 65 HP ENGINE PRODUCES 54.6 AND 45.5 HP RESPECTIVELY. TURBO CHARGING NORMALIZING CAN HELP IF YOU HAVE A PROP TO TRANSFER THE POWER AT THAT ALTITUDE. --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jrlkc@mindspring.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Wing spars, (revisited) From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:41:14 -0500 X-Message-Number: 10 Hi again, Came across this post while reading the archives. Is there any new info on this subject?? I have a couple of ideas rattling around in my head and I'd like to see if someone else is involved in any new efforts. WD >Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:19:25 -0500 (CDT) >From: Steven A Eberhart >Subject: KR: Re: new airfoils > >On Thu, 14 May 1998, Richard Parker wrote: > >> >> >Steve Eberhart wrote: >> >> >It just dawned on me today that for the money and time I have invested >> >I could have built up my full size wings including the composite spars. >> >Would I do it over again knowing what I do now? YOU BET I WOULD. I am >> >> >selfish here - I get to use a new state of the art airfoil that wouldn't >> >even exist if I hadn't gone through this. Even as sore as my arm muscles >> >are right now it was still worth it. >> >> >> Any details on the composite spars? I would like to go that way on my >> -2S and have looked at the Pulsar 3 spars and a few others. >> > >It looks like spar research and development is the next project for the >Area 51 Skunk Works now that we have three new state of the art airfoils. >In fact Mark Langford already has $200 that has been >contributed to the spar R&D project. He is planning on building a stock >spruce spar and test it to destruction. Bruce Griffing is investigating a >composite spar using spruce and carbon fiber. I would like to see R&D on >a Europa style spar using a foam core S-Glass spar caps and possibly >filament wound shear webs. > >Richard Mole is interrested in the greater strength or reduced weight >that a spar for the new 18% root airfoil makes possible due to the >greater depth available. > >If we can keep this R&D effort going no telling what kind of advancements >can come out of our efforts. > >It is amaizing but the first KR-2 with the new wing will fly next month! >With this kind of results we can't stop with just the airfoils. THere is >too great a brain trust here for us not to take advantage of all of the >expertise of the participants. > >Steve > >------------------------------ > > Wayne DeLisle Sr. mailto: dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Flutter From: Jaccoo@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:43:46 EST X-Message-Number: 11 In the late 60's I saw a video of a Commanche which was being used to study flutter. I don't remember the airspeed but the stabalator started to vibrate then suddenly went from a vibration to a flutter. The tips of the stabalator were moving about 6" up and down from its natural position. I don't know how it stayed on the plane, except they were expecting the flutter and corrected the condition quickly. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing spars, (revisited) From: Steven Eberhart Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:04:29 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 12 I just had an email discussion with Mark Langford about this subject yesterday! I was looking for a set of WAF's to use on the new composite spar so that the spar could be tested to destruction. I have most of the materials to build up a KR-2S spar for the AS5048 18% root/AS5045 15% tip airfoil wing. Hope to get started on this within the next month. THe general plan will be to build up a centersection spar and one outer spar. Test this to the design limits, +-6g then build up wing sections on the spars and test the completed wing to destruction. I have been told that you haven't experienced anything until you have broken a wing in a static load test. THe spar only tests will be done using just the main spar with no strength added from an aft spar. THe full wing will be tested with both spars. I have enough materials and funds to cover the costs for the spar tests. Might go out to the KRNet for contributions to help cover the costs of building the spars into a complete wing for the destructive testing. I am hoping Troy Petteway's plane with the new wing will have flown before I start building up the complete test wing panel. Would be nice to have the flying confirmation that we have a good wing here before going to all of the work of building up the test wing. Steve EBerhart Evansville, IN On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Wayne DeLisle Sr. wrote: > Hi again, > > Came across this post while reading the archives. Is there > any new info on this subject?? > > I have a couple of ideas rattling around in my head and > I'd like to see if someone else is involved in any new > efforts. > > WD > > >Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:19:25 -0500 (CDT) > >From: Steven A Eberhart > >Subject: KR: Re: new airfoils > > > >On Thu, 14 May 1998, Richard Parker wrote: > > > >> > >> >Steve Eberhart wrote: > >> > >> >It just dawned on me today that for the money and time I have invested > >> >I could have built up my full size wings including the composite spars. > >> >Would I do it over again knowing what I do now? YOU BET I WOULD. I am > >> > >> >selfish here - I get to use a new state of the art airfoil that wouldn't > >> >even exist if I hadn't gone through this. Even as sore as my arm muscles > >> >are right now it was still worth it. > >> > >> > >> Any details on the composite spars? I would like to go that way on my > >> -2S and have looked at the Pulsar 3 spars and a few others. > >> > > > >It looks like spar research and development is the next project for the > >Area 51 Skunk Works now that we have three new state of the art airfoils. > >In fact Mark Langford already has $200 that has been > >contributed to the spar R&D project. He is planning on building a stock > >spruce spar and test it to destruction. Bruce Griffing is investigating a > >composite spar using spruce and carbon fiber. I would like to see R&D on > >a Europa style spar using a foam core S-Glass spar caps and possibly > >filament wound shear webs. > > > >Richard Mole is interrested in the greater strength or reduced weight > >that a spar for the new 18% root airfoil makes possible due to the > >greater depth available. > > > >If we can keep this R&D effort going no telling what kind of advancements > >can come out of our efforts. > > > >It is amaizing but the first KR-2 with the new wing will fly next month! > >With this kind of results we can't stop with just the airfoils. THere is > >too great a brain trust here for us not to take advantage of all of the > >expertise of the participants. > > > >Steve > > > >------------------------------ > > > > > Wayne DeLisle Sr. > mailto: dodger@coincidental.net > http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: newtech@newtech.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing spars, (revisited) From: Horn2004@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:00:01 EST X-Message-Number: 13 In a message dated 2/11/99 11:22:46 AM, newtech@newtech.com writes: <> I saw a 747 spar/wing structure tested to destruction. You're right. Ain't nothing like the sound of that explosion. Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing spars, (revisited) From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:27:54 -0500 X-Message-Number: 14 At 11:04 AM 2/11/99 -0600, you wrote: > >I just had an email discussion with Mark Langford about this subject >yesterday! I was looking for a set of WAF's to use on the new composite >spar so that the spar could be tested to destruction. I have most of the >materials to build up a KR-2S spar for the AS5048 18% root/AS5045 15% tip >airfoil wing. Hope to get started on this within the next month. Hi Steve, Sounds good. Count me in when you need some $$. Another question, Would it be practical to build a plug-in spar like is used in sailplanes?? It would eliminate those costly WAFs. WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing spars, (revisited) From: Steven Eberhart Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:10:05 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 15 On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Wayne DeLisle Sr. wrote: > At 11:04 AM 2/11/99 -0600, you wrote: > > > >I just had an email discussion with Mark Langford about this subject > >yesterday! I was looking for a set of WAF's to use on the new composite > >spar so that the spar could be tested to destruction. I have most of the > >materials to build up a KR-2S spar for the AS5048 18% root/AS5045 15% tip > >airfoil wing. Hope to get started on this within the next month. > > Hi Steve, > > Sounds good. Count me in when you need some $$. > > Another question, > > Would it be practical to build a plug-in spar like is used > in sailplanes?? It would eliminate those costly WAFs. > That is my first choice but I have been persuaded to do the WAF version first. My personal prefferance (sp?) is for plug in spars that overlap inside the cockpit and are joined by two "pip" pins. THis eliminates the dihedral break out on the wing and puts it at the fuselage, where it should be IMHO. THe main problem is where to hang the wheels. Several of us have been talking about a new motor mount that has sockets for a pair of Sonex titanium gear legs that angle back ala Sonex and RV. Sonex has indicated that they will sell the gear leggs separately. If the interrest in the plug in one piece wing is greater than that for the stock configuration, I will do the plug in wings first. KRNetters let me know what your preferences are, straight wings with Sonex gear or bent wings with WAFs and Diehl gear. If the Europa style of aileron pushrod coupling is used then all that would be required to pull the wings would be to remove the two pip pins and slide the wings off. You are getting close to being able to have a trailerable KR with five minute rigging just like the Europa. Steve Eberhart ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: How do you handle the bumps / Glassing the wing ? From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:36:31 -0500 X-Message-Number: 16 W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: Ron Freiberger > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] How do you handle the bumps / Glassing the wing ? > Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 9:51 AM > > The one issue I've been stewing over, perhaps for no reason, is how do you > put the fibergless cloth on diagonally and not have ridges and lumps where > they overlap? > Do you putty them up and ignore, and is there a technique for getting smooth > joins? > > Also, is there data to support the need to go at 45 degrees, or is just > something that seems right? > > Ron Freiberger ... ready to build wings in Fort Myers > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Virus Warning - No Joke! From: "The Stones" Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:02:06 -0500 X-Message-Number: 17 http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html This is a good spot to check before propigating the "dire warning" type spam as this is intended to be. -----Original Message----- From: CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing spars, (revisited) From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:00:13 -0500 X-Message-Number: 18 Well, I opt for the plug in wings. I've been thinking about the gear some. Plugins would work well for firewall mounted tail dragger gear, but tri-gear would likely require a major redesign of the fusiloge. Still, I have to look at this from my own narrow view. I'm 61 years old, and if all goes well, I'll start my flite training around July or August. It's just about a sure thing that my first 100 hours will be in Cherokee 140's and C-172's. That's all the local flying club has. There's a chance that I'll get some tail dragger time later this year in a super cub that our local banner tower flys. I'm working on a deal with him to exchange some carpenter work and possibly some maintenance work for stick time, but the reality is that I doubt that I will be experienced enough to safely handle a light fast tail dragger like a KR. It just seems that the tail wheel in the front is the easiest way to go for me. WD At 01:10 PM 2/11/99 -0600, you wrote: >On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Wayne DeLisle Sr. wrote: > >> At 11:04 AM 2/11/99 -0600, you wrote: >> > >> >I just had an email discussion with Mark Langford about this subject >> >yesterday! I was looking for a set of WAF's to use on the new composite >> >spar so that the spar could be tested to destruction. I have most of the >> >materials to build up a KR-2S spar for the AS5048 18% root/AS5045 15% tip >> >airfoil wing. Hope to get started on this within the next month. >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> Sounds good. Count me in when you need some $$. >> >> Another question, >> >> Would it be practical to build a plug-in spar like is used >> in sailplanes?? It would eliminate those costly WAFs. >> > >That is my first choice but I have been persuaded to do the WAF version >first. My personal prefferance (sp?) is for plug in spars that overlap >inside the cockpit and are joined by two "pip" pins. THis eliminates the >dihedral break out on the wing and puts it at the fuselage, where it >should be IMHO. THe main problem is where to hang the wheels. Several of >us have been talking about a new motor mount that has sockets for a pair >of Sonex titanium gear legs that angle back ala Sonex and RV. Sonex has >indicated that they will sell the gear leggs separately. > >If the interrest in the plug in one piece wing is greater than that for >the stock configuration, I will do the plug in wings first. KRNetters let >me know what your preferences are, straight wings with Sonex gear or bent >wings with WAFs and Diehl gear. > >If the Europa style of aileron pushrod coupling is used then all that >would be required to pull the wings would be to remove the two pip pins >and slide the wings off. You are getting close to being able to have a >trailerable KR with five minute rigging just like the Europa. > >Steve Eberhart >------------------------------------- >http://www.newtech.com/nlf > >One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are >easier to get. > --plagiarized from an unknown author > >All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly >food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything >more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dodger@coincidental.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > Wayne DeLisle Sr. mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing spars, (revisited) From: Steven Eberhart Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:55:54 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 19 Will have to give the tri-gear option some thought. I think I know where a tri-gear Europa is being built. Will try to track down and see how they do it. Sonex just announced their tri-gear and it looks like they are using the same gear legs but mounting them to the spar carry-through. There has to be a solution that allows tri-gear with removable wings. Stay tuned for progress on this front. Steve Eberhart On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Wayne DeLisle Sr. wrote: > Well, I opt for the plug in wings. I've been thinking > about the gear some. Plugins would work well for > firewall mounted tail dragger gear, but tri-gear would > likely require a major redesign of the fusiloge. > > Still, I have to look at this from my own narrow view. > I'm 61 years old, and if all goes well, I'll start my > flite training around July or August. It's just about a > sure thing that my first 100 hours will be in Cherokee 140's > and C-172's. That's all the local flying club has. > > There's a chance that I'll get some tail dragger time later > this year in a super cub that our local banner tower flys. > I'm working on a deal with him to exchange some carpenter > work and possibly some maintenance work for stick time, but > the reality is that I doubt that I will be experienced enough > to safely handle a light fast tail dragger like a KR. > > It just seems that the tail wheel in the front is the easiest > way to go for me. > > WD > > > At 01:10 PM 2/11/99 -0600, you wrote: > >On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Wayne DeLisle Sr. wrote: > > > >> At 11:04 AM 2/11/99 -0600, you wrote: > >> > > >> >I just had an email discussion with Mark Langford about this subject > >> >yesterday! I was looking for a set of WAF's to use on the new composite > >> >spar so that the spar could be tested to destruction. I have most of the > >> >materials to build up a KR-2S spar for the AS5048 18% root/AS5045 15% tip > >> >airfoil wing. Hope to get started on this within the next month. > >> > >> Hi Steve, > >> > >> Sounds good. Count me in when you need some $$. > >> > >> Another question, > >> > >> Would it be practical to build a plug-in spar like is used > >> in sailplanes?? It would eliminate those costly WAFs. > >> > > > >That is my first choice but I have been persuaded to do the WAF version > >first. My personal prefferance (sp?) is for plug in spars that overlap > >inside the cockpit and are joined by two "pip" pins. THis eliminates the > >dihedral break out on the wing and puts it at the fuselage, where it > >should be IMHO. THe main problem is where to hang the wheels. Several of > >us have been talking about a new motor mount that has sockets for a pair > >of Sonex titanium gear legs that angle back ala Sonex and RV. Sonex has > >indicated that they will sell the gear leggs separately. > > > >If the interrest in the plug in one piece wing is greater than that for > >the stock configuration, I will do the plug in wings first. KRNetters let > >me know what your preferences are, straight wings with Sonex gear or bent > >wings with WAFs and Diehl gear. > > > >If the Europa style of aileron pushrod coupling is used then all that > >would be required to pull the wings would be to remove the two pip pins > >and slide the wings off. You are getting close to being able to have a > >trailerable KR with five minute rigging just like the Europa. > > > >Steve Eberhart > >------------------------------------- > >http://www.newtech.com/nlf > > > >One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are > >easier to get. > > --plagiarized from an unknown author > > > >All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly > >food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything > >more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. > > > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dodger@coincidental.net > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > Wayne DeLisle Sr. > mailto:dodger@coincidental.net > http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: newtech@newtech.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Measuring Wing Incidence From: Douglas Dorfmeier Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:02:42 -0800 X-Message-Number: 20 I plan to start work on my wings soon and have been strugling with the question of how to best measure wing incidence. I am tentatively planning on measuring the incidence using the firewall as a guide, but at this point I have no idea how I am going to measure the incidence of the outer wing. Suggestions would be greatly appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Measuring Wing Incidence From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:43:27 -0500 X-Message-Number: 21 While browsing the archives, I ran across the post referring to the Paxman Viper. I went and looked it up to see what it was. Kind of sad in a way. Looks and sounds like a throwback to the 50's . A VNE of 145mph... Sheese... Some KR's can't go that slow. WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com