From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Sunday, February 21, 1999 12:12 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: February 20, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Saturday, February 20, 1999. 1. Re: Sun-N-Fun 2. Re: Joint Bond Failure ... 3. Re: strobe plans posted 4. Re: Joint Bond Failure ... 5. Posting suggestions 6. Re: Joint Bond Failure ... 7. Foam gluing 8. Diehl Gear 9. Re: Joint Bond Failure ... 10. Re: Joint Bond Failure ... 11. Re: type 4 vw conversions 12. RE: Diehl Gear 13. RE: Diehl Gear 14. Re: Go'in to Taiwan/S10 Engine 15. Re: type 4 vw conversions 16. Cheap Tricks 17. Cheap Tricks Update. 18. Re: type 4 vw conversions 19. Re: Diehl Gear 20. Re: type 4 vw conversions 21. Re: Diehl Gear 22. We Page update 23. Center section spars 24. Re: type 4 vw conversions 25. Re: type 4 vw conversions 26. Re: Engines 27. Re: Engines ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Sun-N-Fun From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 07:21:15 EST X-Message-Number: 1 In a message dated 2/19/99 4:10:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kr2dream@aol.com writes: << Has anyone found reasonable accommodations for going to Sun-N-Fun? I was hoping to stay in the Tampa area, maybe out near State Fair. Bob lasecki >> I was able to get the KRnet a group rate last year at the Tampa Fairgrounds Budgetel . I stay in the volunteer campground on site but have stayed at the Budgetel before, nice place. I don't know how many people stayed there but I know some of the netters did. We also got together for a great cookout with Steve Bennett from Great Plains. With April 15th. falling on a Thursday (I'm a CPA), I'll be coming down Friday morning and leave out on Sunday (the last weekend). For all of you who have not done the Sun & Fun thing, I think you will find it is much more laid back and more enjoyable than Oshkosh will ever think about being. I posted one of my better (I think:-) pictures of a KR on my MISC. web page of Dave's KR taxiing past a DC-3, taken from the ground advisory tower at last year's Sun & Fun, check it out. Dana Overall Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Joint Bond Failure ... From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 06:26:11 -0600 X-Message-Number: 2 > > I have experienced bond failure at the bottom-left side of Nodes G & H > > while bending the fuselage into shape. Aren't we all making "test joints" whereby a scrap of spruce is laminated to another in order to test the joint the next day (or later, depending)? That's a great way to gain confidence in your joints and your epoxy. I have a pile of broken joints, all of which failed at the wood rather than the joints, which I show people who ask (you're GLUEING it together? I clamp the bottom part in the vice and shear off the top piece with a hammer. Answers that question in a hurry... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: strobe plans posted From: CruzJ12@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 07:40:16 EST X-Message-Number: 3 Thanks Mark!, I am a little nervous about releasing these plans . I tried to locate the company but there is no listing. Good idea to take off the net soon ....thanks Joe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Joint Bond Failure ... From: CruzJ12@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 08:26:50 EST X-Message-Number: 4 Albert, Let your conscience be your guide. I would remove and replace them . Try to get better fit and double check the resin mixture. Good clamping and enough resin in the joints as well. Do you have the skin on the sides? I bought a kr2 project with cracks in the verticle members on both sides of the firewall. As you look at the front.....top left edge that bonds to the 4" cross member and the bottom right verticle edge that bonds to the 4" cross member . Both cracks are approx 1" long and 1/16 to 1/8 " wide. There is no way of knowing what portion of the 5/8" glue joint is separated , so i am going to remove both of the verticles. If there is a small portion of separation at those joints, I m not confident that the remaining bond is sufficient? So my only confident choice is remove and rebond new pieces. I hope i can do this without weakening the other joints. I never heard of a fix for this kind of problem. If there is one , I would like to get that information. My conscience says remove it and replace. If anyone here on the net can give me advise about my situation ,I would greatly appreciate any opinions. thanks, good luck Albert Joe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Posting suggestions From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 07:45:36 -0600 X-Message-Number: 5 OK, I haven't heard from any of the KRNet traffic cops, so I'll try to cobble up a reminder. Here's a brief list of pet peeves: 1) If you don't have anything subtantial to say, please don't post anything. This is a KR list, and as such, really needs to stay focused on KRs, or at least airplanes. With almost 400 people on the list, if we all decided to say something every day we'd have a real problem. Ask yourself "do 400 people really need to see this, or are 400 people going to be annoyed by this?" Personally, my time is pretty precious to me, and I hate to waste it reading inane email. And is it something that you could find somewhere else? 2) Carefully consider whether or not you need to reply to a post. Saying "me too", or "I don't know" doesn't contribute to the thread, it just makes the list more bothersome. If you don't know what your talking about, maybe you should be listening, rather than talking. There are FEW people who know everything about everything. Try to stick to things you KNOW about, and let others answer the rest. Try to write "keeper" posts if you're the expert on something. Cover the whole issue, answer all possible questions, address both sides of an issue, and make it a post that others will want to save or print out. Those are the gems that we all search for on KRNet. 3) Keep personal stuff offline. Finding that some other KRNetter is from your neck of the woods isn't a good enough reason to bother us all with your efforts to strike up an acquantance. The list's return address is KRNet, but the original sender's address will usually be obtainable somewhere under "Properties" or something similar. Email him direct, rather than to the list. Some lists arrange addresses so that "reply" goes back to the original sender rather than to the list to cut down on traffic. 4) Put your email address in your signature to make emailing others "offnet" easier. If we all had our addresses at the bottom of our posts, it would be far easier to "email direct". If it's blue just click on it, if it's not, cut it and paste it into the "To" box. 5) When replying to a post, delete everything but a few key sentences from the previous post. It's really ridiculous to have to search thru 3 or 4 pages of stuff to find down at the bottom where some clown wrote "me too". Conversely, at least put SOMETHING in the post to remind us what you're replying to. A post like "yeah, that's how I did mine and it works great" doesn't mean a thing if you don't know what the guy's talking about. 6) Don't send enclosed files directly to the list. Either post it to a web site or get someone else to post it so others can see if they want, but don't have to if they don't. I just spent 17 minutes getting one 2.5 Megabyte email that I cared nothing about. 7) If you have something you want to share, specify that you want replies to go offline. It's nice to say "hey, I've got the holy grail on thingamajigs, anybody want it?", but when 15 people reply online that they want it it gets kinda painful wading thru all of those posts for nothing. A gentle reminder to "reply offline" and furnishing your email address will be a big help. 8) Do not advertise to this list. It's OK to let folks know there's a new service or a new business, but point them to web site. We don't need a bunch of advertising here. Personal testimonials as to a product's usefullness are welcome anytime, as long as it's not YOUR product. 9) Try not to take things personally. We're all here to help each other. There are usually several ways to take comments. Always try to pick the "nicest" interpretation, rather than trying to read animousity into a post. It's a lot easier to just ignore a snide comment and let it slide. Try to avoid "having the last word". 10) It's OK to interject some personality into emails, just make a contribution while you're at it. I like to let other KRNetters know who I am and what my interests are, but I try to tack that sort of stuff to the bottom of a post in which I've made some sort of contribution to the cause... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Joint Bond Failure ... From: "Albert Pecoraro" Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:41:38 EST X-Message-Number: 6 <<>> <<>> The kit I purchased had the side panels already assembled with the plywood skins attached, so I can't possibly make a "test joint" at this point in time to compare against the joints that have already been epoxied. I have not yet received my epoxy (should have it by Monday) but I will most definitely be making test joints for the work I will perform. My fellow EAA'ers have repeatedly emphasized and stressed the importance of creating test joints, not only for one's own confidence (which is paramount), but also for the FAA examiner if s/he requests a test joint. Thank you Mark for re-iterating that very important point for all us builders on the Net ... much appreciated. ;-) Also, Rich Parker & Joe Cruz - thanks for your suggestions. I will allow my conscience to guide me. I don't think I need to replace the verticals in this situation. The epoxy/flox solution seems to be the most sensical approach. Regards, Albert Pecoraro Kentwood, MI 49508 616-281-3828 (H) 616-247-2803 (W) apec97@hotmail.com http://fly.to/hangar-AP <--- Click on the Eagle! KR-2S - Building the spars ... Feb.6/99 to date: 29.0 hours ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Foam gluing From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:59:58 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 Hey foamheads, Found something interesting and possibly useful for mounting your foam on wings, decks, tails, etc. It's called MAXI calk, made by DAP. It is a spray can foam calk/insulation similar to Great Stuff, but is acrylic based rather then polyurethane based. Sets tack free in 10 minutes, complete cure in 24 hours, doesn't continue to expand over time like poly, Water cleanup!!. You can wash out the applicator with soap and water and reuse it over again. $3.95 at Wally World..... (Wal-Mart). WD Wayne DeLisle Sr. mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Diehl Gear From: David McKelvey Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 09:39:00 -0600 X-Message-Number: 8 Hey Netters, How can I get info on Diel Gear for a KR1? also, I'm starting this project soon, but have yet to fly in a kr. Are there any netters near Grapevine TX who will break me in for gas and lunch? thanks, dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Joint Bond Failure ... From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 08:45:07 -0800 X-Message-Number: 9 Albert Pecoraro wrote: > > << H while bending the fuselage into shape.>>> Albert (and others) I had read somewhere that re-gluing or injecting T88 into cracks, gaps or what have you was a perfectly acceptable practice. I don't remember where I read this but it was from a reliable and knowledgeable source. I remember that after I read it I broke out the glue gun and crawled into the fuselage and laid a bead of T88 in every corner I could find, then I used my finger to wipe a nice fillet. I would imagine injecting T88 and maybe using a little flox (t88 mixed with flocked cotton) on the outside of the joint would be MORE than adequate. Also you could cut out a little plywood gusset for the inside (reference Tony Bingelis). The actual spruce to spruce joint is important BUT the plywood shear webbing (gussets and outside skin) is where the real strength comes from. If you go to: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/f14.jpg you can see how I made gussets for BOTH sides of my spruce members. It is incredibly strong. This would work great for worrisome spruce to spruce joints. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Joint Bond Failure ... From: JEHayward@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:10:19 EST X-Message-Number: 10 In a message dated 2/20/99 9:49:18 AM Mountain Standard Time, mikemims@home.com writes: << Albert (and others) I had read somewhere that re-gluing or injecting T88 into cracks, gaps or what have you was a perfectly acceptable practice. >> Early in the construction of my "boat", I stepped out of the fuselage bottom and my foot caught on the crossmember located about where the aft spar goes thru it. I heard a distinctive gut wrenching POP and instinctively knew what had happened. While flexing the cracked joint, I must have flexed too hard because the OTHER side POPed and I now had 2 cracks in the longeron each an inch to inch and a half long! I was heartsick and didn't know what I would do. I called an FAA inspector who was a member of our EAA chapter and he dropped by to see what I was moaning about. I inspected things and non-chantely told me "No problem." He had me get some thick superglue from the hardware store and run some tests joints with different drying times with and without air blowing on the joint. This was to determine how much working time we would have after injecting the superglue into each crack. Worse case with the "canned air" was about a minute and a half. So we spread one of the cracks apart, injected some glue into it, sprayed some air in it to distribute it thru the crack and clamped it. We did the same thing to the other one and he suggested for "piece of mind" I might want to put a large gusset in each location. I made them the size of the firewall corner gussets and will install them after I've installed the aft spar. He told me we'd probably build airplanes out of superglue if it wasn't so expensive. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: type 4 vw conversions From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:49:21 -0800 X-Message-Number: 11 John Patrick Moyle wrote: > > > > KRnetters, > > I've read far back into the archives but have not unearthed as much info on VW conversions as I had hoped.>>> > Something else you may consider if you plan to use Steve's new rear drive system is Mark Langford's approach to the Type 4 solution. Go to: http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/kvw.html and check it out. I don't think you can build up a type 4 for less than what he paid for a running motor built to his specs. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Diehl Gear From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:30:34 -0600 X-Message-Number: 12 > How can I get info on Diel Gear for a KR1? Diehl Aeronautical's address, phone number, and web address are on my web page below. There is a lot of KR information sitting around on our web pages, just waiting to be gleaned. I try to surf around to everybody's site every few weeks to see what I've been missing, and to see what I can learn... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Diehl Gear From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:35:05 -0600 X-Message-Number: 13 Sorry, I should have told you the URL: http://www.diehlaero.com/landing.htm Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Go'in to Taiwan/S10 Engine From: Ross Youngblood Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:17:18 -0800 X-Message-Number: 14 Larry, Any post from "kr-net" will be going to ALL the krnetters out there. I will be watching for missiles... Good news! I loosened up the valves on the S10, and she runs! WOo hoo! Pretty noisy with no exhaust manifold on one side. I also talked to my friendly A&P who has a SCREEMEN deal on a Cessna SKYMASTER (at a 172 IFR price). My wife even said it might be do-able.... now if I can scrounge up the down payment, I can really have a money sink! Plus there is room under the wing for a KR. -- Regards Ross Laheze@aol.com wrote: > > Hey Ross, > > I hope you have fun in Taiwan ! Keep an eye out for Chinese Missiles ! > In being a brand new member I didn't know if this email was just to me or > if you write to all at once, please advise me . > > Larry Howell > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: type 4 vw conversions From: Kimball Anderson Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:35:50 -0500 X-Message-Number: 15 I'm no expert on VW engines, but I seem to remember reading in one of the earlier GPASC catalogs ( not the current one) that the Type 4 case, being stronger than the Type 1 case and made of aluminum, seldom needs replacement. The current GPASC catalog (I just got mine a few days ago) doesn't seem to really have very much information on the Type 4, though -- just the conversion kit on page 40. Kimball Anderson isleno@hargray.com -----Original Message----- From: jmoyle1@juno.com To: KR-net users group Date: Saturday, February 20, 1999 12:03 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: type 4 vw conversions >Mike, > Thanks for your reply, and I'd be happy to throw some business at >Steve Bennett but I have perused the on-line catalog and can't find any >reference to the availability of Type for blocks, only Type 1. I will >inquire "direct to the source" as you suggested though. > Many thanks, and keep plugging, Sky Pig must fly !! > > John Moyle > >jmoyle1@juno.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: isleno@hargray.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Cheap Tricks From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:49:15 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 Hey Netters As Dr Dean mentioned on his web page CHEAP TRICKS, here is a web site worth looking at.............. All kinds of inexpensive tools, clamps (we all need more of them) laser levels, (I bought one this morning on sale for $39.97) Check it out, and you can even order a free cataloge from them. Have fun shopping. http://www.harbourfreight.com Rod Kelso rbk@orci.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Cheap Tricks Update. From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:53:50 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 Oops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry Netters, I gave you the wrong spelling on the web site you need to look at. It is, http://www.harborfreight.com Happy shopping. Rod Kelso rbk@orci.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: type 4 vw conversions From: Great Plains Aircraft Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:30:53 +0000 X-Message-Number: 18 There is no longer any such thing as a new type 4 case to my knowledge. Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Diehl Gear From: Great Plains Aircraft Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:34:24 +0000 X-Message-Number: 19 contact dan diehl at 9182994444. steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: type 4 vw conversions From: Great Plains Aircraft Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:43:09 +0000 X-Message-Number: 20 GPASC is currently having the rear drive housing done this month, next month drive shafts and prop hubs. There is a small difference between the 1's and 4's in the drive shaft length. We will be making only 1 out of 10 for the type 4 unless demand dictates otherwise. Complete systems should be availabe by or during sun and fun 99. On Jan. 21, 1999 we completed our 100 hour test of the drive system on our airboat. No you don't airboat during Jan. in Nebraska! The engine was torn down on Jan. 24 and we found the worthless cast crankshaft to be 100% OK as well as the rest of the parts. Side Note. Great Plains Aircraft is please againg to more or less provide brats, polish, dogs for the KR net get together at sun and fun on monday night in the forum tent. Please stop by the booth in building A to get a map or directions in case location changes. Sun & fun may have changed the forum area this year wich may dictate a change in location for the get together. NOTE This is not to be confused with the KR dinner at the Holiday Inn that Virgil takes care of Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Diehl Gear From: "JEAN" Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:03:08 -0600 X-Message-Number: 21 Call Dan @ 918-299-4445 Mon.- Fri. 8;00 - 5;00. Jean N4DD -----Original Message----- From: David McKelvey To: KR-net users group Date: Saturday, February 20, 1999 10:31 AM Subject: [kr-net] Diehl Gear >Hey Netters, > >How can I get info on Diel Gear for a KR1? > >also, > >I'm starting this project soon, but have yet to fly in a kr. Are there >any netters near Grapevine TX who will break me in for gas and lunch? > >thanks, > >dave > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: N4DD@prodigy.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: We Page update From: "Dean Collette" Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:13:12 -0600 X-Message-Number: 22 Netters, Recently, I have seen my name appearing fairly often on KRNet. This is usually preceded by "I intend to build my fuselage like". I have seriously considered eliminating my web page all together, but I don't think that is the best solution. So, I have updated my web page with a short little thing on "Liability and Development." (sparing KRNet from my whining.) For all of you that have made mention to the effect that you like this technique - Please read, it is not legal jargon. Dean mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Site at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Center section spars From: "Richard Parker" Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:18:46 PST X-Message-Number: 23 Anyone see any reason for me to not use the extra 2 inches of spruce that came on my center section spars? My verticals are 5/8 instead of 1/2 because I had bought the "Bag O Spruce" so I'll just use the same 11 verticals. My fuselage is widened about 3.5 inches at the top, so I figure it will make up for the lost wing area and give me more room for fuel in the stubs. Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm Jaffrey, NH USA ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: type 4 vw conversions From: "Bruce S. Campbell" Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:49:18 -0500 X-Message-Number: 24 Great Plains Aircraft wrote: > Side Note. Great Plains Aircraft is please againg to more or less > provide brats, polish, dogs for the KR net get together at sun and fun > on monday night in the forum tent. Please stop by the booth in building > A to get a map or directions in case location changes. Sun & fun may > have changed the forum area this year wich may dictate a change in > location for the get together. NOTE This is not to be confused with the > KR dinner at the Holiday Inn that Virgil takes care of > > Steve Steve, As I promised last year--If you finished the rear housing in time for Sun & Fun, I would buy the beer. I will. See you there. Bruce S. Campbell Tampa Florida ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: type 4 vw conversions From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:20:52 -0800 X-Message-Number: 25 Since there are apparently no "new" type 4 cases, if anyone is interested a friend of mine has what should be a type 4 engine out of a VW bus. He said it was running just fine when it dropped a valve. Says he would like to have $175 for it. If anyone is interested, e-mail me off line and I'll pass it on to him. The engine is located here in Northern NM. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:30:53 +0000 Great Plains Aircraft writes: >There is no longer any such thing as a new type 4 case to my >knowledge. Steve > >--- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engines From: "Jim Whiteshield" Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 03:35:36 -0000 X-Message-Number: 26 If I'm not part of your 'cliche', you don't want to hear it? Ok, feel free to remove me from the list, if this is the case. Those of you who want the best engine, plz email me direct, as I intend to pursue this engine option and to install it in a KR (Dr Dean's version) as soon as possible. Once again, the home page for the engine is: http://www.freedom_motors.com/ >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: JIM7@hotbot.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engines From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:11:53 -0800 X-Message-Number: 27 Jim Whiteshield wrote: > > If I'm not part of your 'cliche', you don't want to hear it? Ok, feel free to remove me from the list, if this is the case.>>> I don't think that's the case at all. Your earlier post looked as though you were the person selling the product and the last thing we need on this list is someone posting an email everyday trying to sell something. That's a great looking web site but I am willing to bet the cost involved are prohibitive for an airplane such as the KR. There were a few of us who looked into this option about 4 years ago and at that time they were not interested at all in air vehicles (I am pretty sure its the same company). Maybe that has changed since they are endorsing that VTOL unit that goes 400mph (of which I am very skeptical) and has been gracing the adds of Kitplanes and SA for as long as I can remember. The math for that unit just doesn't add up. It says it makes almost 1000hp but yet gets 15 mpg! Well it takes about 5 gallons an hour to make 100hp so where the heck does it keep all that fuel? :o) Good luck! -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Building Cowling now mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com