From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 1999 12:16 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: March 05, 1999 NOTICE: HAPPY99.EXE VIRUS REMOVED FROM THIS DIGEST! KR-net users group Digest for Friday, March 05, 1999. 1. Re: Control Cable Routing 2. Re: Engine Mount Rail 3. Re: Plywood 4. Pulleys and fairleads 5. Re: KR WEIGHT AND BALANCE CRITERIA 6. Re: Control Cable Routing 7. Re: Ivo Prop!!!! 8. Re: Plywood 9. KR-1 10. Re: Contains Happy99.Exe 11. fiberglass 12. Re: Contains Happy99.Exe 13. Re: Contains Happy99.Exe 14. KR2-S wing & cockpit 15. KR2-S wing & cockpit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Control Cable Routing From: boggyd@webtv.net (D Bogdan) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:01:02 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 1 --WebTV-Mail-39235515-101 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit looking in 43.13-1A gives maximum deflection angles of three (3) degrees for cable routing through fairleads regards, DJ Milwaukee Success comes in cans.... not in can'ts, --WebTV-Mail-39235515-101 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.91) by postoffice-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:50:47 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from lyris.teleport.com (lyris.teleport.com [192.108.254.49]) by mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with SMTP id SAA12487; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 18:50:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 18:15:42 -0800 From: Mike Mims Organization: @Home Network X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "KR-net users group" Subject: [kr-net] Re: Control Cable Routing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-URL: X-List-Host: Telelists List Hosting Services Reply-To: "KR-net users group" X-Message-Id: <36DF3E4E.D8696986@home.com> Sender: bounce-kr-net-39469@telelists.com Precedence: bulk X-disclaimer: KR-net assumes no responsibility for the information posted on this list Robert Maniss wrote: > > When routing rudder cable along inside of fuselage and through > fairleads, what would be the maximum "bend" or change of direction > allowable before needing to use a pulley instead? I am sure you will get a few opinions on this but keep in mind that on some of Rutans designs the cables take a 90 degree turn inside nyla-flo (spelling) tubing. I used the nylon tubing for my rudder cables and they seem to work ok. Keep in mind my KR only has about 10 hours of hanger flying on it though! :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Still Building the Cowling... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: boggyd@webtv.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com --WebTV-Mail-39235515-101-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine Mount Rail From: "Richard Parker" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 02:29:44 PST X-Message-Number: 2 2 is correct. you'll back it up with aluminum angle for the engine mount as well. Rich Parker >From: "T.Flemming" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Engine Mount Rail >Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:37:08 -0600 >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > >I currently have the boat right side up and I am working on the top engine >mount rail. According to the KR-2S supplemental plans, Their should be (2) >5/8 x 3 1/2 Engine Mount Rails on the top of the fuselage. This is the only >place that I can find mention of two braces. The manual, page (15) doesn't >show the use of two braces. Is this just a mistake on the KR-2S supp. >plans. Curious what other's have done at this point. > >Thanks > > >Trent & Kellie Flemming >tflemming@texramp.net >www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098 > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plywood From: "Richard Parker" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 02:36:12 PST X-Message-Number: 3 I ordered 3 sheets of 4x8 3/32 Mahog for the skins (light and less scarfing.)and 2x4 (crosscut!) birch for the spars and firewall. RP >From: "T.Flemming" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Plywood >Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:51:12 -0600 >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > >I am about ready to order the plywood. The plywood list in the plans >package calls for 8 sheets of 4' x 4' x 2.5mm 5 ply birch or 3 ply 3/32 >mahogany. I can only find 3 ply birch in the 2.5mm thickness. Since I >can't find 5 ply birch in the called for thickness, should I use mahogany. >In favor of saving money I would prefer to use birch. Is this just a >misprint in the lumber list. > >Did ya'll order 8 sheets of 4 x 4 plywood or 4 sheets of 4 x 8 plywood? The >price is better if you order the 4 x 8 size. The shipping charge may be >greater though with the larger sheet size. Any thoughts on this? > >Thanks > > >Trent & Kellie Flemming >tflemming@texramp.net >www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098 > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Pulleys and fairleads From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 05:50:08 PST X-Message-Number: 4 Hello, netheads I too was a little puzzled by the "when to use a pulley" question, since I've seen many installations where there should have been a pulley (if you go by the more than 5 degrees of offset=use a pulley) but only fairleads were used. I guess it's a chafing and wear issue, as well as a control system friction drag issue. I would say that for the smoothest operating controls use the pulleys when offsetting cables more than 5 degrees. Bingelis rules. Now there's another issue. Many of the catalogs, like Aircraft Spruce, show some of the commonly used pulleys as "don't use where the cable makes large angular changes or is in constant motion, as in control systems". Huh? Like where else, maybe the trim cable system? Yet these are the same pulleys called out in many plans parts lists for rudder and aileron cable systems, where they are in constant motion and often change direction 90 degrees. I'd say use the gut feeling method- if it looks like it will work pretty good, it probably will. And I thought no advertising on the Net. You guys are almost universally advertising for McDon*ld's soda straws here ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR WEIGHT AND BALANCE CRITERIA From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 06:10:57 -0800 X-Message-Number: 5 Manual, If you search the KRNET archives at http://www.krnet.org (click on members and you will be taken to the page, you don't have to be a member to check it out). You can search the back issues of KRNET. Some of the weight and balance information is there. I have some of the information, but can't reply to your request at the moment. Hopefully by forwarding your email to the KRNET email list, one of the members can reply to you. -- Regards Ross goofhdg@aol.com wrote: > > DEAR SIR: > I AM AN A/P IA LOOKING FOR INFORMATION ON WEIGHT AND BALANCE DATA > ON THE KR SERIES OF AIRCRAFT. I DON'T REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY WHICH ONE MY > CUSTOMER HAS, I KNOW HE HAS A KR2 AND IS BUILDING ONE OF THE LARGER VERSIONS > OF IT. IS THERE SOMEWHERE I CAN ACCESS THE WEIGHT AND BALANCE PARAMETERS E.I. > RECOMMENDED GROSS WEIGHTS AND C.G. RANGES FOR THE VARIOUS MODELS OF THE KR > SERIES OF AIRCRAFT? IF SO, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE A REPLY. E-MAIL TO > CROSSCOASC@AOL.COM OR MY PERSONAL E-MAIL GOOFHD@AOL.COM. > > THANK YOU! > > MANUEL WEBER PRES. > > CROSS COUNTRY AVIATION > NEWTON, KANSAS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Control Cable Routing From: John Esch Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 06:28:22 -0800 X-Message-Number: 6 We were studying that in class last week. FYI, there is new one out now 43.13-1B. From what I was told they added quite abit to it. John F. Esch Salem, Or D Bogdan wrote: > > looking in 43.13-1A gives maximum deflection angles of three (3) > degrees for cable routing through fairleads > > regards, > > DJ > Milwaukee > > Success comes in cans.... > > not in can'ts, > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Control Cable Routing > Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 18:15:42 -0800 > From: Mike Mims > Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > Organization: @Home Network > To: "KR-net users group" > References: > > Robert Maniss wrote: > > > > When routing rudder cable along inside of fuselage and through > > fairleads, what would be the maximum "bend" or change of direction > > allowable before needing to use a pulley instead? > > I am sure you will get a few opinions on this but keep in mind that on > some of Rutans designs the cables take a 90 degree turn inside nyla-flo > (spelling) tubing. > > I used the nylon tubing for my rudder cables and they seem to work ok. > Keep in mind my KR only has about 10 hours of hanger flying on it > though! :o) > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > SP290 (Sky Pig 290) ,..Still Building the Cowling... > mailto:mikemims@home.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Aliso Viejo Ca > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: boggyd@webtv.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Ivo Prop!!!! From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 06:54:41 -0800 X-Message-Number: 7 KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/3/99 9:48:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jscott.pilot@juno.com writes: > > << Les Palmer had an Ivo on his plane at the last Gathering. He was > offering to sell it as he wasn't very happy with it. >> > > But see, this is the perfect prop for Les's airplane because he never flies > it...................just trailors it :-). > > Sorry the waste of space, but if you hang around KRs long enough you know what > I am talking about. > > Dana This is one where you REALLY need to go to the gathering to see. I saw pictures of Les' KR two years ago, and thought "Hey nice soob conversion". When it made the inital low pas at 2' at about 15MPH, arriving at the field I wasn't so impressed. Touchdown was accomplished via three people backing it off the trailer. -- Regards Ross -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plywood From: Ross Youngblood Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 07:27:43 -0800 X-Message-Number: 8 I ordered some 3/32 4x8 mahogany plywood for my KR project. The shipment had to be shipped truck freight. The truck showed up to the house when I wasn't home, so I had a friend come with me to the sorting center (in Phoenix when I lived there), to pick it up. It seemed to weigh 30 ounces, but was in a LARGE 4-1/2x8-1/2 cardboard box. Bring a full-size pick-up. -- Ross T.Flemming wrote: > > I am about ready to order the plywood. The plywood list in the plans > package calls for 8 sheets of 4' x 4' x 2.5mm 5 ply birch or 3 ply 3/32 > mahogany. I can only find 3 ply birch in the 2.5mm thickness. Since I > can't find 5 ply birch in the called for thickness, should I use mahogany. > In favor of saving money I would prefer to use birch. Is this just a > misprint in the lumber list. > > Did ya'll order 8 sheets of 4 x 4 plywood or 4 sheets of 4 x 8 plywood? The > price is better if you order the 4 x 8 size. The shipping charge may be > greater though with the larger sheet size. Any thoughts on this? > > Thanks > > Trent & Kellie Flemming > tflemming@texramp.net > www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098 > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR-1 From: "Christopher Stewart" <23cs@msn.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:1:31 X-Message-Number: 9 hi, just got the plans for the KR-1 and still going over them with a fine tooth comb, still i have alot of questions, just how wide can you build this plane, im 24" at the shoulders and the plans call for 19", is ok to widen it? ive been reading about how you guys are doing the KR-2's and the KR-2s'is it ok to do it one the KR-1?, and what about tri-gear,would it be best to contact Deihl on this one, or can anyone help me out here? if you guys can give me any advice i will gladley take it Thanks, Chris Stewart ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Contains Happy99.Exe From: Michael Taglieri Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 00:15:08 EST X-Message-Number: 10 I saw that in the message. Juno is an e-mail system that will transmit only ASCII files and strips off all attachments, so I hope I'm correct that that makes me safe too. Mike Taglieri >Sports fans, Paul Eberhardt's last mail contained the Happy99.exe >virus. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: fiberglass From: "John M. Wadleigh" Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 22:30:21 -0700 X-Message-Number: 11 I am sure it is on the plans, but I am having some trouble finding the number of layers of BID fiberglass needed for different parts of the KR2S. How many layers are needed for the horizontal and vertical stabilizers; the control surfaces; the turtle deck; the engine cowl; and the wings? Also, has anyone actually had any experience with other materials? (ex.- carbon fiber) Any recommendations? Has anyone used the type of antennae that is glassed in place? Thanks. John Wadleigh KR2S Tucson, Az. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Contains Happy99.Exe From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 22:45:55 -0700 X-Message-Number: 12 YES IT DID. I got caught with my britches down. Had to work on my computer for hours a month ago cleaning up our unwanted friend MR HAPPY. I caught Pauls e-mail before I opened it. Im just glad I knew about it from the last time. Does anyone know of other viruses we should look out for just in case???? Rod Kelso Denver ---------- > From: Michael Taglieri > To: KR-net users group > Cc: kr-net@telelists.com > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Contains Happy99.Exe > Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 10:15 PM > > I saw that in the message. Juno is an e-mail system that will transmit > only ASCII files and strips off all attachments, so I hope I'm correct > that that makes me safe too. > > Mike Taglieri > > > >Sports fans, Paul Eberhardt's last mail contained the Happy99.exe > >virus. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rbk@orci.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Contains Happy99.Exe From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 22:49:08 -0700 X-Message-Number: 13 Mike. The web site for Juno dosent work? Is this the correct address?? Thanks, Rod Kelso Denver ---------- > From: Michael Taglieri > To: KR-net users group > Cc: kr-net@telelists.com > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Contains Happy99.Exe > Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 10:15 PM > > I saw that in the message. Juno is an e-mail system that will transmit > only ASCII files and strips off all attachments, so I hope I'm correct > that that makes me safe too. > > Mike Taglieri > > > >Sports fans, Paul Eberhardt's last mail contained the Happy99.exe > >virus. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rbk@orci.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR2-S wing & cockpit From: "Juergen Esser" Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 22:27:52 +0100 X-Message-Number: 14 Hallo I am new at kr-net. As a german builder I have the following question(s) to the scene. Because hangar-space is expensive I need an idea for a quick detach system for the wings. I want to trailor my KR home after flying. I can not use a folding wing mechanism, because the trailor-wide is limited. Is there anybody who can help me with a drawing or a web-side? By the way, has anybody experience about changing the airfoil of the wing? Or about using the hot-wire methode to cut foam? Also I want to expand the cockpit-wide a little bit but still want to use the RR-canopy. How fare can I go? Because I am 6 feet+ I still need some headroom. I would be glad abaout a message Juergen Esser, Germany ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR2-S wing & cockpit From: "Juergen Esser" Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:39:03 +0100 X-Message-Number: 15 --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com