From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 12:16 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: March 07, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Sunday, March 07, 1999. 1. Techicnal Talk 2. Re: A little help 3. Re: Browsing old krnet lists 4. Re: Browsing old krnet lists 5. Diehl nose gear. 6. Re: side mounted control stick 7. Re: A little help 8. Re: A little help 9. Re: A little help 10. Re: A little help 11. Fuel system design 12. Re: Looking for flying KR-2 13. Tapering Spar Caps 14. Re: Tapering Spar Caps 15. Re: Tapering Spar Caps 16. RE: Tapering Spar Caps 17. FAA inspection 18. Anybody live in Granbury, Forth Worth, Dallas? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Techicnal Talk From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:39:56 EST X-Message-Number: 1 Now that is what I like to see on this net. Observations and talk that is benificial to the KR netters, builders. Mine is doing fine, just waiting for my Flap/Belly Board motor from Vans Aircraft so I can win the spot landing contest at Kentucky next Sept, or is that Oct? Don Clarke (El Paso) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: A little help From: JEHayward@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:58:29 EST X-Message-Number: 2 In a message dated 3/6/99 10:38:04 PM Mountain Standard Time, bmuse@mindspring.com writes: << Mike What are you doing? Are you an expert? What are you trying to do? >> Sounds to me like he's trying to make it easier for folks to understand the gray/not-well-explained areas of the maual by re-writing those areas a lot of us had trouble with by it NOT being very well written or being vague. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Browsing old krnet lists From: "John Bouyea" Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 08:55:49 -0800 X-Message-Number: 3 Hi All The archives located at http://kr2s/timberline/com are in plain text format. To date, I have not received any reports from users having difficulties accessing the archived digests. I try to removed any infected attachments. I don't have the time to "pretty up" their appearance. This must be okay as the archives are regularly accessed! I hope making all past KRNet emails helps as we all make progress getting our own dreams into the air. Wishing you all clear skies and time in your own workshops, bou John Bouyea kr2 - on the gear kr2s - building the spars Hillsboro, Oregon -----Original Message----- From: Wayne DeLisle Sr. To: KR-net users group Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 6:08 AM Subject: [kr-net] Browsing old krnet lists >>>>> > > >From owner-krnet-l@teleport.com Tue Jul 30 10:37:11 1996 >Subject: KR-Online format > >Item Subject: cc:Mail Text > Regarding format, Mike Graves makes a good point. Not everyone > on-line has a PC. Our standard should be something that is > independant of the platform. If we use HTML, then everyone can access > the information with full functionality. Someone even mentioned the > fact that we could have links to the articles from various issues. > > This is something that is coming, so why don't we face it quys, in > five years we'll all be HTML literate. Why can't we start learning > now. > ><<<< > >How about that as a prophetic statement?? > >WD >-------------------------------------------- >Wayne DeLisle Sr. >Charlotte, NC >mailto:dodger@coincidental.net >http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger >-------------------------------------------- > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbouyea@worldnet.att.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Browsing old krnet lists From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 12:22:42 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4 At 08:55 AM 3/7/99 -0800, you wrote: >Hi All > >The archives located at http://kr2s/timberline/com are in plain text >format. To date, I have not received any reports from users having >difficulties accessing the archived digests. I try to removed any infected >attachments. > >I don't have the time to "pretty up" their appearance. This must be okay as >the archives are regularly accessed! I hope making all past KRNet emails >helps as we all make progress getting our own dreams into the air. > >Wishing you all clear skies and time in your own workshops, >bou > >John Bouyea >kr2 - on the gear >kr2s - building the spars >Hillsboro, Oregon The archives are just fine. I've downloaded all that you have and now have my own copy. I've read all of 1997 and 98, now am working on the 96 stuff, starting from the very first. Lots of interesting reading. I really appreciate the fact that several people have taken the time and effort to save all this stuff. Thanks to one and all. WD -------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, NC mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger -------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Diehl nose gear. From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 12:32:40 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 Hello KRnetheads. Does anyone know the diameter and wall thickness of the tubing used in the Diehl nose gear? Thanks for any info, WD -------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, NC mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger -------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: side mounted control stick From: NFCKR3@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:24:09 EST X-Message-Number: 6 Yes, I am flying N250KB, built by Don Beachan and I have the side mounted stick. I have taken photos and am doing a sketch, hope to heave it on the net next week. Since I am new to E-Mail I may need some help loading the photos. This is a good mod and one that gives more leg and floor space. Skip Carden ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: A little help From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 11:12:31 -0800 X-Message-Number: 7 JEHayward@aol.com wrote: >>>> Sounds to me like he's trying to make it easier for folks to understand the gray/not-well-explained areas of the manual by re-writing those areas a lot of us had trouble with by it NOT being very well written or being vague. >>>> Maybe there's a problem with doing this? Humm,..... -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Putting engine back together now... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: A little help From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 14:31:25 -0600 X-Message-Number: 8 Mike Mims wrote: > Maybe there's a problem with doing this? Humm,..... Mike, you forget. Those plans came down from the mountain top, and cannot be improved upon in any way... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: A little help From: JEHayward@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:59:04 EST X-Message-Number: 9 In a message dated 3/7/99 12:14:20 PM Mountain Standard Time, mikemims@home.com writes: << >>>Sounds to me like he's trying to make it easier for folks to understand......>>> <> Go for it, Mike! I'm glad *someone* has taken the time to do this!! I've got a few things to send along that I sent to Jeanette a few years ago but never got any acknowlegment from her after *she* asked me to do that. Oh well........ Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: A little help From: JEHayward@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:59:08 EST X-Message-Number: 10 In a message dated 3/7/99 1:33:14 PM Mountain Standard Time, langford@hiwaay.net writes: << Mike, you forget. Those plans came down from the mountain top, and cannot be improved upon in any way... >> Mark, *surely* you jest......oh...sorry........ Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fuel system design From: "Saunders" Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 16:08:51 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE68B4.CA995140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gentlemen I'd like to get some response back from other tri-gear configuratin = builders. I saw Mark's stub-wing fuel tanks at his web site, very nice = work, I would use the way it's plumbed, but I don't think that's = practical with the tr-gear setup. This leaves you with either the = header or outboard wing tanks or both. I would like to hear what kind = of configurations for fuel tanks some of you tri-gear builders have = used. Any response will be appreciated. Mike=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE68B4.CA995140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I'd like to get some response back = from other=20 tri-gear configuratin builders.  I saw Mark's stub-wing fuel tanks = at his=20 web site, very nice work, I would use the way it's plumbed, but I don't = think=20 that's practical with the tr-gear setup.  This leaves you with = either the=20 header or outboard wing tanks or both.   I would like to hear = what=20 kind of configurations for fuel tanks some of you tri-gear builders have = used.  Any response will be appreciated.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BE68B4.CA995140-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Looking for flying KR-2 From: EagleGator@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:37:14 EST X-Message-Number: 12 I've forwarded your request to the KRNet, perhaps someone there has or knows of an airplane for sale. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St.Charles MO KR-2S N415RJ 35% complete and holding... In a message dated 3/7/99 6:52:32 AM Central Standard Time, kike@breogan.com writes: > Vigo, 6 de marzo de 1999 > > > Dear friend. > > > > I am a pilot from Spain. I want to buy a kr2 with a engine an flying. Do > you know any pilot who want to sell any kr2?. > > I thank any information you can give me. > > > Enrique Alvarez > > kike@breogan.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Tapering Spar Caps From: Robert Maniss Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 20:16:10 -0800 X-Message-Number: 13 In tapering the spar caps for the forward outer section, what is the best procedure to follow? Should I taper some on each side (looking down from the top) and some on top and bottom (looking from the side) or can the taper be done all on one side and either the top or bottom? Also, thanks for the advice on fairleads. Measured angle at potential locations and found them to be in the 3-5 degree range. You guys are geat. Bob Maniss Abilene, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tapering Spar Caps From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 17:55:51 -0800 X-Message-Number: 14 Robert Maniss wrote: > > Should I taper some on each side (looking down from the top) and some on top and bottom (looking from the side) or can the taper be done all on one side and either the top or bottom?>>>> You know after all was said and done when I cut my caps I thought to myself, why the hell are these cpas tapered on both sides! I think tapering them in a way that would only cause you to take ONE cut per cap would be much better. By they way this is how it is done on a few other wood designs I have since looked at. Anyway I think the double taper is kind of a pain and maybe one of the engineers on this list can advise as to why we have to do it. If it were me I would seriously consider tapering the cap top to bottom and leave the cap the same width from root to tip. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Putting engine back together now... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tapering Spar Caps From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:25:15 -0500 X-Message-Number: 15 Mike, That's the way Dan Diehle recommends for his wing skins. In this manner, there's more surface area to glue to, but the double tapered spars work ok too. BTW the Black and Decker electric plane makes fast work of this with no special jigs for a saw blade necessary. I liked the precision with which it took them down to specs. They way I see it though, if you can cut wood off and not compromise the design strength, I prefer to cut it off even if it's more work. Thats x amount of weight the thing will never have to carry. -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, March 07, 1999 8:57 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Tapering Spar Caps >Robert Maniss wrote: >> >> Should I taper some on each side (looking down from the top) and some on top and bottom (looking from the side) or can the taper be done all on one side and either the top or bottom?>>>> > > >You know after all was said and done when I cut my caps I thought to >myself, why the hell are these cpas tapered on both sides! I think >tapering them in a way that would only cause you to take ONE cut per cap >would be much better. By they way this is how it is done on a few other >wood designs I have since looked at. Anyway I think the double taper is >kind of a pain and maybe one of the engineers on this list can advise as >to why we have to do it. If it were me I would seriously consider >tapering the cap top to bottom and leave the cap the same width from >root to tip. > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Putting engine back together now... >mailto:mikemims@home.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Aliso Viejo Ca >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomkr2s@t-three.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Tapering Spar Caps From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:47:43 -0600 X-Message-Number: 16 Robert Maniss wrote: > best procedure to follow? Should I taper some on each side (looking > down from the top) and some on top and bottom (looking from the side) or > can the taper be done all on one side and either the top or bottom? Bob, The KR2S plans say that the rear face is straight, while the front side is tapered. I can't imagine how it could be done easier or more accurately than doing it with a table saw. Details are on my web page at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kspars.html . They are tapered because spars with no taper are just extra weight out at the tips. The load at the tips approaches zero, so there's no use in having gobs of material out there to support nothing. That's how the KR2S can get away with "virtual" spars out there. The skin is almost enough by itself to get the job done. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: FAA inspection From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 19:09:12 PST X-Message-Number: 17 I got a registration packet from the Portland (OR) FSDO and went through the whole thing. They add their own "checklist" and "requirements" which are issued to field inspectors and Designees, and believe me- there are things on their lists that aren't in the regs. The preface to the information to the builder indicates (not quoting, just summarizing)- "don't waste our time by calling for an inspection unless you've absolutely positively done everything on this list". These are our public servants, using our tax dollars. Yes, a few of these guys are great folks, but some are power weenies. I feel quite confident that if you don't jump through their hoops, whether it's exposing your hinge pins or whatever, you won't get a sign-off. It's better to "work the system", play friendly, and discuss reasons for their requirements. You might not agree, but at least you will fly. Oscar Zuniga website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ Medford, Oregon ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Anybody live in Granbury, Forth Worth, Dallas? From: "Allan Seini" Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 07:59:51 +0200 X-Message-Number: 18 Hi to you all, I will be staying in Granbury Texas, on business for about 5 weeks. I am = leaving South Africa on Saturday 13 March 1999.=20 If there is anyone who would like to get together with me to discuss KR's = or would like to hear from you.=20 I see from the USA EEA magazines there is an EEA Chapter in Granbury. If there is anyone who would like to get together contact me on allan.seini= @eskom.co.za Cheers Allan Seini Melkbosstrand South Africa I --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com