From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 12:18 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: March 09, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Tuesday, March 09, 1999. 1. Re: Tapering Spar Caps 2. Re: Tapering Spar Caps 3. Re: Tapering Spar Caps 4. See ya on the other side 5. Re: Tapering Spar Caps 6. New Wings 7. Re: Tapering Spar Caps 8. Sun-n-Fun 9. Thanks 10. Re: Techicnal Talk 11. Re: Tapering Spar Caps ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tapering Spar Caps From: "Doug Peyton" Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 01:57:30 PST X-Message-Number: 1 I took my glued spar materials to a cabinet shop; they cut my spars with felicity in a few minutes while I waited.... In regards to the ailerons, I just finished gluing one layer of BID over the 1/4"-thick spruce spar running the length of each aileron. The angle of the two surfaces, the spar and the top of the aileron, is about 112 degrees. The BID refused to lie flat around this sharp corner, so I ended up using duct tape (over waxed paper) to hold the wet BID against the surfaces of the aileron. The instructions on page 87 clearly say to wrap the BID around and onto the top and bottom surfaces of the aileron by at least one inch. This worked pretty well, but I wish I had put some weights bearing down on the spruce spar while the glue was setting because now I have little lumps along the surface where the hinge must be secured. But i guess they can be sanded out. In the introductory part of the instructions, it says you mustn't wrap fiberglass around corners. This may be a piece of confusion RR could remidy in their next edition. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tapering Spar Caps From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:35:23 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 The "next" edition will never be put out by RR. The only thing that matters is that the checks keep rolling in. I have never seen a manufacturer so out of touch with it's customers. The only reason the KR-2S came about is to increase their market to taller and bigger people. You think they did it for more stability? Mike, here's one for the aftermarket manual! -----Original Message----- From: Doug Peyton To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 4:57 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Tapering Spar Caps >I took my glued spar materials to a >cabinet shop; they cut my spars with >felicity in a few minutes while I waited.... > >In regards to the ailerons, I just finished gluing one layer of BID over >the 1/4"-thick spruce spar running the length of each aileron. The >angle of the two surfaces, the spar and the top of the aileron, is about >112 degrees. The BID refused to lie flat around this sharp corner, so I >ended up using duct tape (over waxed paper) to hold the wet BID against >the surfaces of the aileron. The instructions on page 87 clearly say to >wrap the BID around and onto the top and bottom surfaces of the aileron >by at least one inch. This worked pretty well, but I wish I had put >some weights bearing down on the spruce spar while the glue was setting >because now I have little lumps along the surface where the hinge must >be secured. But i guess they can be sanded out. > In the introductory part of the instructions, it says you mustn't >wrap fiberglass around corners. This may be a piece of confusion RR >could remidy in their next edition. > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomkr2s@t-three.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tapering Spar Caps From: "RONALD R.EASON" Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 09:28:26 -0800 X-Message-Number: 3 Cry baby, that has to be spoon fed. At 09:35 AM 3/9/99 -0500, you wrote: >The "next" edition will never be put out by RR. The only thing that matters >is that the checks keep rolling in. I have never seen a manufacturer so out >of touch with it's customers. The only reason the KR-2S came about is to >increase their market to taller and bigger people. You think they did it >for more stability? >Mike, here's one for the aftermarket manual! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Doug Peyton >To: KR-net users group >Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 4:57 AM >Subject: [kr-net] Re: Tapering Spar Caps > > >>I took my glued spar materials to a >>cabinet shop; they cut my spars with >>felicity in a few minutes while I waited.... >> >>In regards to the ailerons, I just finished gluing one layer of BID over >>the 1/4"-thick spruce spar running the length of each aileron. The >>angle of the two surfaces, the spar and the top of the aileron, is about >>112 degrees. The BID refused to lie flat around this sharp corner, so I >>ended up using duct tape (over waxed paper) to hold the wet BID against >>the surfaces of the aileron. The instructions on page 87 clearly say to >>wrap the BID around and onto the top and bottom surfaces of the aileron >>by at least one inch. This worked pretty well, but I wish I had put >>some weights bearing down on the spruce spar while the glue was setting >>because now I have little lumps along the surface where the hinge must >>be secured. But i guess they can be sanded out. >> In the introductory part of the instructions, it says you mustn't >>wrap fiberglass around corners. This may be a piece of confusion RR >>could remidy in their next edition. >> >>______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomkr2s@t-three.com >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >> >> > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jrlkc@mindspring.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: See ya on the other side From: "Cary Honeywell" Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:51:12 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4 Email (reply) to caryh@home.com or ve3ev@rac.ca Well, here we go. I'm pulling the plug on my @storm.ca account and swithching everything to the @home.com domain. I am about to hit the kill switch on my subscription here and will have to wait until the list Admin processes my new subscription. Hope it is soon. Don't want to miss anything even if I don't comment very often. Thanks. - Cary - CG-JMW KR-2) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tapering Spar Caps From: "Mark Langford" Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:09:57 -0600 X-Message-Number: 5 >Cry baby, that has to be spoon fed. I, for one, have never seen the point in making plans or drawings so cryptic or confusing that the builder or fabricator (or machinest, or whatever) has to spend an inordinate amount of time deciphering it. I try make my drawings at work "foolproof", complete with isometric views which leave little to the imagination. It saves everybody time, and we don't throw nearly as much aluminum away. The way the plans were dimensioned begs for errors, and I know of a few KRs that are a bay too long or a bay too short because of it. Of course I've never understood poetry either. It's the same way. Some clown spends forever writing it, and everybody else spends forever trying to figure out what he was trying to say... Mark Langford Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New Wings From: "Rex Ellington" Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:50:00 CST X-Message-Number: 6 Hi Sun-n-Fun is only a month away. I won't make it. But the early spring here is getting lots of things started, including work in my garage. Don't want to get committed to too many things that might be difficult to change if the new wings work out. What is the status of the construction and testing effort?? Rex Ellington Rex T. Ellington ellingto@gslan.offsys.ou.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tapering Spar Caps From: Ross Youngblood Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 14:30:13 -0800 X-Message-Number: 7 Mark, I think the KR is not quite poetry, but more like a puzzle. Puzzles are fun and interesting up to a point. Then you reach that stage where you think that funny shaped sky piece really does belong as part of the ground, thats the tough part... what part of the ground or sky did you put in wrong? Mark Langford wrote: > > >Cry baby, that has to be spoon fed. > > I, for one, have never seen the point in making plans or drawings so cryptic > or confusing that the builder or fabricator (or machinest, or whatever) has > to spend an inordinate amount of time deciphering it. I try make my > drawings at work "foolproof", complete with isometric views which leave > little to the imagination. It saves everybody time, and we don't throw > nearly as much aluminum away. > > The way the plans were dimensioned begs for errors, and I know of a few KRs > that are a bay too long or a bay too short because of it. > > Of course I've never understood poetry either. It's the same way. Some > clown spends forever writing it, and everybody else spends forever trying to > figure out what he was trying to say... > > Mark Langford > Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Sun-n-Fun From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 17:45:36 -0500 X-Message-Number: 8 At 02:50 PM 3/9/99 CST, you wrote: >Hi > >Sun-n-Fun is only a month away. I'm going to be there this year. Last time i was at Sun-n-Fun was in 1977. WD -------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, NC mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger -------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Thanks From: "caryh" Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:50:43 -0500 X-Message-Number: 9 Thanks Ross. - Cary - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Techicnal Talk From: Bobby Muse Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 19:49:39 -0600 X-Message-Number: 10 At 09:39 AM 03/07/1999 EST, you wrote: >Now that is what I like to see on this net. Observations and talk that is >benificial to the KR netters, builders. Mine is doing fine, just waiting for >my Flap/Belly Board motor from Vans Aircraft so I can win the spot landing >contest at Kentucky next Sept, or is that Oct? Don Clarke (El Paso) > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: bmuse@mindspring.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > Don, I'm gald that you are planning to be @ the KR Gathering in Kentucky. I hope that we'll be able to fly there together! I don't know about you winning the 'Spot Landing' contest, you know I'll be in that contest also, so the trophy is mine..... all mine. eh! eh! On a more serious note... Itis still hard to believe that I was able to takeoff in only 232 feet during last years 'Short Takeoff/Spot Landing. I know that we have a short takeoff distance but that is really short. I hope you have made reservations at the lodge. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tapering Spar Caps From: Michael Taglieri Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:04:38 EST X-Message-Number: 11 >The "next" edition will never be put out by RR. The only thing that matters >is that the checks keep rolling in. I have never seen a manufacturer so out >of touch with it's customers. The only reason the KR-2S came about is to >increase their market to taller and bigger people. You think they did it >for more stability? >Mike, here's one for the aftermarket manual! What I've been doing in my is writing comments from this list and other sources on the back of the page before the relevant page in the Manual. At times, I've even printed stuff off people's Web pages and glued it across from the relevant page. The result is that MY manual is getting updated, although slowly and haphazardly. What someone could do who wanted to do this in a more organized way would be to sell a set of pages that could be interleaved with the official pages. These could point out errors and and give cross-references to Newsletters and KR posts that suggested improvements. Since owners would be adding the extra pages to their manuals only after they bought the manuals from RR, this would not violate RR's copyright. Mike Taglieri _____________________________________________ "Fundamentally the marksman aims at himself." - from Zen And the Art of Archery ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com