From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 12:22 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: March 10, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Wednesday, March 10, 1999. 1. KR 1999 Gathering info 2. Updating manuals 3. Re: fiberglass plies 4. Re: fiberglass plies 5. Food for Thought 6. Thanks !! 7. kr-2 for flightsim 8. Re: Food for Thought 9. Re: Food for Thought 10. Re: fiberglass plies 11. Completion 12. antennae 13. Re: antennae 14. Re: antennae 15. Re: Completion 16. Re: antennae 17. Re: antennae ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR 1999 Gathering info From: "Richard Parker" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 02:31:09 PST X-Message-Number: 1 Heres Dana's original post for you guys who are going to start asking the details on the gathering. I suggest you save this one. Rich Parker Soob KR-2S (New co-pilot Graham Daniel Parker born Saturday March 6!) >From: KR2616TJ@aol.com >Reply-To: krnet-l@teleport.com >To: krnet-l@teleport.com >Subject: KR: 1999 Gathering >Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 07:08:28 EST > >I just got the contract back from Lake Barkley State Park for lodging. We now >have the go-ahead to call and reserve your room for next years gathering. For >those of you who don't know, the 1999 KR Gathering will be head at Lake >Barkley State Park in far western KY. The dates for the gathering are Friday >9/24 and Saturday 9/25. This state park offers other activities other than us >KR guys swapping lies at the airport. They have, on site, golf, tennis, boat >rental, fishing, hiking trails, miniture (sp) golf, with a breakfast/dinner >buffett bar in the lodge. Lodging will consist of rooms in the newly >renovated lodge (we have 88 rooms reserved) for single $48.45 plus tax, double >56.95 plus tax and the cottages (8 no 7, I got a cabin :-)) for 1-6 adults for >127.50 plus tax. The lodge looks over the lake and the cottages are set back >in the woods overlooking the lake. > >Now here is the kicker, and I'll keep reminding you. Unused accommodations >will be released on July 25, 1999. Reservation requests received after this >date will be filled if space is available. Trust me, Kentucky State Parks are >nothing but nice and fill up regularly a year in advance, expecially the ones >with airports on site. Get your reservations in early. > >Guys, I plan on this being a kickass gathering with something for everyone >from interested builder to builder to flier so plan on being there, it'll be >worth it !!! > >Phone number 1-800-325-1708 mention it is for the 1999 KR Gathering for your >discount. > >See ya > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Updating manuals From: Horn2004@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:29:52 EST X-Message-Number: 2 In a message dated 3/10/99 12:05:44 AM, miket_nyc@juno.com writes: <> About 5 years ago there was an RV builder who took it upon himself to do the same thing with the RV series. He documented his entire building process, step by step, and then made the document available for free via a download from a bulletin board (it was over one hundred pages long). His log was so precise and descriptive and linear that many people used it instead of the RV building manual. He led a builder through the entire process, leaving nothing to the imagination. I think Van was pretty impressed and even incorporated some of the information into subsequent manuals. I think the KR series is ripe for something similar. One look at Mark Langfords site or Mike Mimms site will give you more information about technique than the entire KR building manual. The materials have changed so much since the 70s that anything would be an improvement. My plans still refer to using Dynel, for goodness sake. Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: fiberglass plies From: CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:00:57 EST X-Message-Number: 3 sorry to take up space but need answers. have purchased a project, it has baloon filler smeared on most parts,but no sanding has been done, i question whether there is more than one ply of glass anywhere in the construction, i think the filler was applied to make it seem the project was farther along than it really was, how can a novice determine the plies? anyone close to texarkana tx that might take a look? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: fiberglass plies From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:17:52 -0800 X-Message-Number: 4 Filler is a necessary part of the finishing process, but it's hard to tell via email if there is anything to be concerned about. The only place where multpile plys is specified is forward of the main spar. There should be 2 BID forward of the main spar, overlapping at the front of the spar top and bottom so the fwd "nose" of the wing planform will have 4BID overlapping, two from the top, and two from the bottom. You might hook up with your local EAA chapter to see if there is anyone who can take alook at it familiar with glass lay up techniques. -- Regards Ross CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com wrote: > > sorry to take up space but need answers. > have purchased a project, it has baloon filler smeared on most parts,but no > sanding has been done, i question whether there is more than one ply of glass > anywhere in the construction, i think the filler was applied to make it seem > the project was farther along than it really was, how can a novice determine > the plies? anyone close to texarkana tx that might take a look? > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Food for Thought From: "Robert Sauer" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:57:05 -0600 X-Message-Number: 5 Use 4-5 solid formers when drawing side together for the boat Laser pencil works well for aligning things Staple gun (thin wire staples) holds most anything glued with T-88 Foam & glass bottom of center section wing stub first, then mount gear legs, cutting into skin as needed, you can then finish off exterior wing stub for fuel tank if desired and close with top of section, also reinforce for wingwalk Don't forget inspection doors **Per recent FAA inspection report** Needed to cut away glass to show inspector hinge bolts in tail section---- How about photos prior to covering as proof? I am taking photos of anything that gets covered and might leave a question. Would someone using an O-200 or such, let me know if the header tank can be eliminated and just use wing tanks due to the extra weight. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Thanks !! From: "Juergen Esser" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:10:11 +0100 X-Message-Number: 6 I just want to say, that I am still feel sorry about the virus. After the first mails about that thing I ran all my virus-scan programs and no one found anything. So I was very suprised when I heard my PC was infected. But thanks to Wayne and his detailed instructions I hope I have cleaned my system. (I send a mail to myself first and it was o.k.) Juergen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: kr-2 for flightsim From: flight@canada.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 14:14:45 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 7 I am in the dreaming phase of my kr-2(s). No time or money right now. Does anyone have a KR for microsoft flight simulator? Thanks Dave Jane -------------------------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email from Canada.com at http://www.ehmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Food for Thought From: "JEAN" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:53:25 -0600 X-Message-Number: 8 I hope the header tank can be removed because thats what I did. Saved 20 lbs. and got fuel out of the fuselage. Jean -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sauer To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 11:05 AM Subject: [kr-net] Food for Thought >Use 4-5 solid formers when drawing side together for the boat >Laser pencil works well for aligning things >Staple gun (thin wire staples) holds most anything glued with T-88 >Foam & glass bottom of center section wing stub first, then mount gear legs, >cutting into skin as needed, you can then finish off exterior wing stub for >fuel tank if desired and close with top of section, also reinforce for >wingwalk >Don't forget inspection doors >**Per recent FAA inspection report** >Needed to cut away glass to show inspector hinge bolts in tail section---- >How about photos prior to covering as proof? >I am taking photos of anything that gets covered and might leave a question. >Would someone using an O-200 or such, let me know if the header tank can be >eliminated and just use wing tanks due to the extra weight. > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: N4DD@prodigy.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Food for Thought From: SkyHawk11@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:20:04 EST X-Message-Number: 9 without header tank,you must have fuel pump to engine. header tank is gravity feed!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: fiberglass plies From: "Saunders" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:10:02 -0500 X-Message-Number: 10 Isn't there somewhere in th 2-s plans that specify 2 BID on the wings overlapping the leading edge to the spar caps to form 4 layups forward of the spar ? -----Original Message----- From: Ross Youngblood To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 11:24 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: fiberglass plies >Filler is a necessary part of the finishing process, but it's hard >to tell via email if there is anything to be concerned about. > >The only place where multpile plys is specified is forward of the main >spar. There >should be 2 BID forward of the main spar, overlapping at the front of >the spar top >and bottom so the fwd "nose" of the wing planform will have 4BID >overlapping, two from >the top, and two from the bottom. > >You might hook up with your local EAA chapter to see if there is anyone >who >can take alook at it familiar with glass lay up techniques. > >-- Regards > Ross > >CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com wrote: >> >> sorry to take up space but need answers. >> have purchased a project, it has baloon filler smeared on most parts,but no >> sanding has been done, i question whether there is more than one ply of glass >> anywhere in the construction, i think the filler was applied to make it seem >> the project was farther along than it really was, how can a novice determine >> the plies? anyone close to texarkana tx that might take a look? >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@saber.slb.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > >-- > Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 > Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 > Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 > Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: saunders@hereintown.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Completion From: SClay10106@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:36:22 EST X-Message-Number: 11 Anyone that has completed and flying a kr-1 or 2.. is this a recomended project for someone who has no building experience? How long does it take from start to finish? and what is the final cost when all is said and done? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: antennae From: "John M. Wadleigh" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:46:18 -0700 X-Message-Number: 12 2 nights ago I asked for help with questions about the KR2S; including a question about antennas for composite aircraft. I really want to thank those who have experience and the patience to reply in a polite, curteous and informative fashion. A special thanks to you Ross. I used my web crawler to find RST engineering. The only RST that came up was a manufacturer of mining instrumentation. I then asked on the net if anyone knew of a way to contact RST- the manufacturer of a $27.00 aircraft antenna. (Aircraft Spruce and Specialty has Archer antennas for composite aircraft for $77.95; and Advanced Aircraft Electronics high gain antenna systems for $126.95.) The reply on the net gave me the same site that I had found by the web crawler. So, I went to RST-Engineering's site, and e-mailed a question about aircraft antennas. RST-engineering e-mailed me back,saying that they were a manufacturer of geotechnical, environmental and mining engineering instrumentation. They do not make antennas. I don't want to bother anyone. However, I am interested in a quality, low cost antenna for a composite aircraft. If anyone has information about RST antennas - or other alternatives - I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again. John Wadleigh KR2S Tucson, Az. jwnw1@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: antennae From: Kimball Anderson Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:40:20 -0500 X-Message-Number: 13 Try here . . . http://www.rst-engr.com/rst/catalog/antpar.html That should get you what you're looking for. Kimball Anderson isleno@hargray.com -----Original Message----- From: John M Wadleigh To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 10:50 PM Subject: [kr-net] antennae >2 nights ago I asked for help with questions about the KR2S; including a >question about antennas for composite aircraft. I really want to thank >those who have experience and the patience to reply in a polite, curteous >and informative fashion. A special thanks to you Ross. > >I used my web crawler to find RST engineering. The only RST that came up >was a manufacturer of mining instrumentation. I then asked on the net if >anyone knew of a way to contact RST- the manufacturer of a $27.00 >aircraft antenna. (Aircraft Spruce and Specialty has Archer antennas for >composite aircraft for $77.95; and Advanced Aircraft Electronics high >gain antenna systems for $126.95.) The reply on the net gave me the same >site that I had found by the web crawler. So, I went to >RST-Engineering's site, and e-mailed a question about aircraft antennas. >RST-engineering e-mailed me back,saying that they were a manufacturer of >geotechnical, environmental and mining engineering instrumentation. They >do not make antennas. > >I don't want to bother anyone. However, I am interested in a quality, >low cost antenna for a composite aircraft. If anyone has information >about RST antennas - or other alternatives - I would greatly appreciate >it. Thanks again. > >John Wadleigh >KR2S >Tucson, Az. >jwnw1@juno.com >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: isleno@hargray.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: antennae From: ECLarsen81@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:45:57 EST X-Message-Number: 14 In a message dated 99-03-10 22:49:21 EST, you write: << I don't want to bother anyone. However, I am interested in a quality, low cost antenna for a composite aircraft. If anyone has information about RST antennas - or other alternatives - I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again. John Wadleigh KR2S Tucson, Az. jwnw1@juno.com >> John, Try this site. I think it's what you are looking for. RST engineering Ed Larsen ECLarsen81@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Completion From: SkyHawk11@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:06:37 EST X-Message-Number: 15 N808BS was completed 1 week ago yesterday. It was built by my friend who 's only experience was building radio controlled models. It was built from scratch in 19 months. It is a beautiful air plane and was flown the day the FAA finished it inspection. It flew right off the board as we old model builders used to say. Required no trimming what so ever. Skyhawk11@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: antennae From: Kr2jm@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:55:52 EST X-Message-Number: 16 In a message dated 3/10/99 7:49:59 PM, jwnw1@juno.com writes: << 2 nights ago I asked for help with questions about the KR2S; including a question about antennas for composite aircraft. I really want to thank those who have experience and the patience to reply in a polite, curteous and informative fashion. A special thanks to you Ross. I used my web crawler to find RST engineering. The only RST that came up was a manufacturer of mining instrumentation. I then asked on the net if anyone knew of a way to contact RST- the manufacturer of a $27.00 aircraft antenna. (Aircraft Spruce and Specialty has Archer antennas for composite aircraft for $77.95; and Advanced Aircraft Electronics high gain antenna systems for $126.95.) The reply on the net gave me the same site that I had found by the web crawler. So, I went to RST-Engineering's site, and e-mailed a question about aircraft antennas. RST-engineering e-mailed me back,saying that they were a manufacturer of geotechnical, environmental and mining engineering instrumentation. They do not make antennas. >> I think you are looking for RADIO SYSTEMS TECHNOLOGY 13010 LOMA RICA GRASS VALEY, CA 95945 Toll Free Order Number 1-800-824-5987 Jim Morehead krjm@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: antennae From: Tlongcrier@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 02:03:46 EST X-Message-Number: 17 Try http://www.rst-engr.com Be EXAC!!!.... including the hyphen mark. sales@rst-engr.com will get them via e-mail. Thurman Longcrier --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com