From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 12:18 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: March 22, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Monday, March 22, 1999. 1. Re: Best size work bench??? 2. Online manual 3. Re: Online manual 4. Re: Online manual 5. Re: Online manual 6. Re: Online manual 7. Corvair (fwd) 8. Re: Online manual 9. Re: Online manual 10. Re: Online manual 11. Re:welcome 12. Re: introduction---new member 13. Re:welcome 14. Re: Online manual 15. Re: Online manual 16. Re: looking at kr's in michigan 17. Project for sale 18. Wing Destruction!!! 19. Re: Aileron weight attach arm 20. Re: Online manual 21. Re: Quick question 22. Re: KRNet 23. Re: Aileron weight attach arm 24. Re: KRNet 25. Re: Online manual 26. Re:welcome 27. Re: KRNet 28. Re: KRNet 29. Re: Online manual 30. Re:welcome 31. Re: Online manual 32. Fibreglass epoxy 33. Re: Fibreglass epoxy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Best size work bench??? From: "Richard Parker" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 02:48:07 PST X-Message-Number: 1 Leave about a 6 inch lip for clamping. I also often screwed a 2x4 under the lip and used it to screw peices of wood into to use as spring clamps when i was running low on clamps.When you screw down the top coutersink all the holes so that the head isnt raised. Mine was actaully 2 tables totaling about 4x14 for laying out the fuselage then when I no longer needed the length I removed a 6 foot section. Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm Jaffrey, NH >Hi builders. I just ordered my KR-2S plans last week and would like to get my garage/workshop in order. Besides cleaning/re-organizing it I want to build my work bench. > >So far I was going to build a 4' X 16' table about 34'' high. This would be using an all 2' X 6' Frame with cross braces and 2 of 4'X8' sheets 3/4' plywood for the top. I'll make some shelfs underneath for storage. I will be taking extreme care to ensure it is level and flat. > >Question: Before I start I would appreciate any opinions from those who have or would have built theirs different in regards to size, height, frame, material, etc... Should I leave a lip for clamping to the table top? > >With just starting my project, I know I will live with this bench for YEARS!!! > >Rick Hubka >rick@hubka.com > > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Online manual From: "Mark Langford" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:17:35 -0600 X-Message-Number: 2 KRNetHeads Ok, here's a project for us. We all keep whining that the manual stinks, so why don't we do something about it? Mims is talking about redoing it and giving it to Jeannette so that future builders will have an easier time of building, without reinventing the wheel. That's a big job for any one man, especially one that's trying to get his KR (or SP) flying during this millenium. So why don't we all chip in a write an online manual? Somebody volunteers for a certain chapter, and in about two weeks, we add it all together and call it a manual. We'd need an editor or two, and several folks to volunteer to do a chapter. I'll be happy to do the spar construction and wing tank and header tank chapters. Somebody else will have to do actual wing construction, since mine is so different (and, uh, not DONE yet!). I guess we could use the KR manual as a guide to what chapters are required, add chapters that are non-existent and of course, delete the retracts half of the current manual. The editors could take photos and text from non-HTMLers and make the HTML pretty quickly. Why don't we knock this out while it's still Winter in most of the country? After we're done, Jeannette could print it out and add it to the manual, or even to the info pack she mails out if she doesn't mind the extra postage. The ulitmate goal would be that it could REPLACE the manual. Of course if she doesn't what it (for whatever reason) it could stand alone as an excellent guide to what it's like to build a KR. Several guys with scanners could volunteer to turn photos into images, and we could get this show on the road. (I'll scan a few myself.) I think it's important to put a short deadline on it, so we don't all forget about it. We could drag out some of the KROnline stuff like the two instrument panel articles and throw them in there too. We could fill in a lot of the blanks like that in the manual. Many of us could just take a chapter out of our web pages and call it a chapter, with just a little bit of work. Here's our chance to really make a difference to future KR builders. And just think, we could point newbies to the online manual chapter that would answer their questions in the future, rather than hashing them out all over again every few months. And even you guys whose planes are done can contribute. Send us some pictures to scan, especially if you've done something a little different that you think deserves to go public. And as time goes on, people can add a chapter (like Jim Faughn on Posa tuning, for example). I think this is one thread that we can afford to banter about on KRNet. Anybody that doesn't want to hear it (or contribute) can just hit the DEL key that you've heard so much about. Let's do this, OK? Who knows, maybe we'll ALL learn something from it that will benefit us. Pick out your chapter and volunteer...or quit yer bitchin' about how sorry the manual is... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Online manual From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:53:54 -0500 X-Message-Number: 3 At 06:17 AM 3/22/99 -0600, you wrote: >KRNetHeads > >Ok, here's a project for us. We all keep whining that the manual stinks, so >why don't we do something about it? Mims is talking about redoing it and >giving it to Jeannette so that future builders will have an easier time of >building, without reinventing the wheel. That's a big job for any one man, >especially one that's trying to get his KR (or SP) flying during this >millenium. big snip >So why don't we all chip in a write an online manual? Somebody volunteers >for a certain chapter, and in about two weeks, we add it all together and >I think this is one thread that we can afford to banter about on KRNet. >Anybody that doesn't want to hear it (or contribute) can just hit the DEL >key that you've heard so much about. Let's do this, OK? Who knows, maybe >we'll ALL learn something from it that will benefit us. Pick out your >chapter and volunteer...or quit yer bitchin' about how sorry the manual >is... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford Sounds like a great idea, Mark. I don't have any construction info to contribute, but I do have a scanner and a video editor, (Iomega Buzz), and photo shop pro, so I can help in the picture area. Also, I can do HTML from text, and text/HTML from graphics. WD -------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, NC mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger -------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Online manual From: "Cary Honeywell" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:15:58 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4 Email (reply) to caryh@home.com or ve3ev@rac.ca Web page http://members.home.net/caryh KR2 area http://members.home.net/caryh/kr-2.htm (Both of the above have not been updated or debugged lately.) ---------- > From: Mark Langford > > Ok, here's a project for us. We all keep whining that the manual stinks, so > why don't we do something about it? Mims is talking about redoing it and > giving it to Jeannette so that future builders will have an easier time of > building, without reinventing the wheel. That's a big job for any one man, > especially one that's trying to get his KR (or SP) flying during this > millenium. > Snippidy-doo dah.. telelists.com Great idea. Somone might want to do a chapter on installing the RR fixed gear, or retrofitting same. In fact, although it may be out of context for the manual, a chapter on what to look for and repair when buying a used KR2, or rebuilding one might be useful. Sure would have been to me.. I write humour which sometimes drips with sarcasm and "gallows humour" so I may not be exactly the type to author anything serious, but I will help where I can. - Cary - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Online manual From: "Richard Parker" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 07:52:42 PST X-Message-Number: 5 How can any of us say no to you Mark. You've been such a great resource. We should however try to establish a clear goal and have Jeanettes support and comittment up front. Taking on another task right now is perfect for me to over commit myself. My wife just gave me another son a week ago and while I have plenty of awake time lately its not real productive. Yesterday it took me from 5 am until 10 pm to cut out 4 holes in the fuselage to insert the spars and Mike Mims is still waiting for me to send him the landing gear I said I'd send him about 8 months ago. (But every bit helps!) Put me down for something that doesnt have to be started until I can sleep through the night. Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm Jaffrey, NH >From: "Mark Langford" >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Online manual >Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 06:17:35 -0600 > >KRNetHeads > >Ok, here's a project for us. We all keep whining that the manual stinks, so >why don't we do something about it? Mims is talking about redoing it and >giving it to Jeannette so that future builders will have an easier time of >building, without reinventing the wheel. That's a big job for any one man, >especially one that's trying to get his KR (or SP) flying during this >millenium. > >So why don't we all chip in a write an online manual? Somebody volunteers >for a certain chapter, and in about two weeks, we add it all together and >call it a manual. We'd need an editor or two, and several folks to >volunteer to do a chapter. I'll be happy to do the spar construction and >wing tank and header tank chapters. Somebody else will have to do actual >wing construction, since mine is so different (and, uh, not DONE yet!). I >guess we could use the KR manual as a guide to what chapters are required, >add chapters that are non-existent and of course, delete the retracts half >of the current manual. > >The editors could take photos and text from non-HTMLers and make the HTML >pretty quickly. Why don't we knock this out while it's still Winter in most >of the country? After we're done, Jeannette could print it out and add it >to the manual, or even to the info pack she mails out if she doesn't mind >the extra postage. The ulitmate goal would be that it could REPLACE the >manual. Of course if she doesn't what it (for whatever reason) it could >stand alone as an excellent guide to what it's like to build a KR. > >Several guys with scanners could volunteer to turn photos into images, and >we could get this show on the road. (I'll scan a few myself.) I think it's >important to put a short deadline on it, so we don't all forget about it. >We could drag out some of the KROnline stuff like the two instrument panel >articles and throw them in there too. We could fill in a lot of the blanks >like that in the manual. Many of us could just take a chapter out of our >web pages and call it a chapter, with just a little bit of work. Here's our >chance to really make a difference to future KR builders. And just think, >we could point newbies to the online manual chapter that would answer their >questions in the future, rather than hashing them out all over again every >few months. And even you guys whose planes are done can contribute. Send >us some pictures to scan, especially if you've done something a little >different that you think deserves to go public. And as time goes on, people >can add a chapter (like Jim Faughn on Posa tuning, for example). > >I think this is one thread that we can afford to banter about on KRNet. >Anybody that doesn't want to hear it (or contribute) can just hit the DEL >key that you've heard so much about. Let's do this, OK? Who knows, maybe >we'll ALL learn something from it that will benefit us. Pick out your >chapter and volunteer...or quit yer bitchin' about how sorry the manual >is... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Online manual From: "JEAN" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:59:11 -0600 X-Message-Number: 6 I for one think that this is an excellent idea. FWIW i would suggest a format of first explaining the manual / print as produced then any proven alternatives. I think that this would eliminate a lot of phone calls and redundant E-mails as newbys start their projects. If Jeannette does not want to incorperate this with/in her plans then i see nothing wrong with selling it for cost of production and mailing. Just my thoughts. Jean ( N4DD trying to make Sun-N-Fun ) -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 6:20 AM Subject: [kr-net] Online manual >KRNetHeads > >Ok, here's a project for us. We all keep whining that the manual stinks, so >why don't we do something about it? Mims is talking about redoing it and >giving it to Jeannette so that future builders will have an easier time of >building, without reinventing the wheel. That's a big job for any one man, >especially one that's trying to get his KR (or SP) flying during this >millenium. > >So why don't we all chip in a write an online manual? Somebody volunteers >for a certain chapter, and in about two weeks, we add it all together and >call it a manual. We'd need an editor or two, and several folks to >volunteer to do a chapter. I'll be happy to do the spar construction and >wing tank and header tank chapters. Somebody else will have to do actual >wing construction, since mine is so different (and, uh, not DONE yet!). I >guess we could use the KR manual as a guide to what chapters are required, >add chapters that are non-existent and of course, delete the retracts half >of the current manual. > >The editors could take photos and text from non-HTMLers and make the HTML >pretty quickly. Why don't we knock this out while it's still Winter in most >of the country? After we're done, Jeannette could print it out and add it >to the manual, or even to the info pack she mails out if she doesn't mind >the extra postage. The ulitmate goal would be that it could REPLACE the >manual. Of course if she doesn't what it (for whatever reason) it could >stand alone as an excellent guide to what it's like to build a KR. > >Several guys with scanners could volunteer to turn photos into images, and >we could get this show on the road. (I'll scan a few myself.) I think it's >important to put a short deadline on it, so we don't all forget about it. >We could drag out some of the KROnline stuff like the two instrument panel >articles and throw them in there too. We could fill in a lot of the blanks >like that in the manual. Many of us could just take a chapter out of our >web pages and call it a chapter, with just a little bit of work. Here's our >chance to really make a difference to future KR builders. And just think, >we could point newbies to the online manual chapter that would answer their >questions in the future, rather than hashing them out all over again every >few months. And even you guys whose planes are done can contribute. Send >us some pictures to scan, especially if you've done something a little >different that you think deserves to go public. And as time goes on, people >can add a chapter (like Jim Faughn on Posa tuning, for example). > >I think this is one thread that we can afford to banter about on KRNet. >Anybody that doesn't want to hear it (or contribute) can just hit the DEL >key that you've heard so much about. Let's do this, OK? Who knows, maybe >we'll ALL learn something from it that will benefit us. Pick out your >chapter and volunteer...or quit yer bitchin' about how sorry the manual >is... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: N4DD@prodigy.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Corvair (fwd) From: Steven Eberhart Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:12:29 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 7 FYI Corvair parts Steve Eberhart ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:54:36 -0800 From: Patrick Panzera Reply-To: VW@lists.kz To: VW@lists.kz, dragonlist@interstice.com Subject: Corvair To those who have wondered if 'vair parts are available or expensive: http://www.pixelite.com/cgi-localbin/corvair/shops/doctor/web_store.cgi?product=engine&cart_id=2964935.17404 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Online manual From: "Mark Langford" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:18:26 -0600 X-Message-Number: 8 Rich Parker wrote: >We should however try to establish a clear goal and have >Jeanettes support and comittment up front. I don't think we should muddy the water with her. We might be waiting a long time for her 2 cents worth, and we might not like it when we get it. If she wants it, it's hers. If not, it's out there anyway... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Online manual From: Steven Eberhart Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:36:13 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 9 On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Mark Langford wrote: > Rich Parker wrote: > > >We should however try to establish a clear goal and have > >Jeanettes support and comittment up front. > > I don't think we should muddy the water with her. We might be waiting a > long time for her 2 cents worth, and we might not like it when we get it. > If she wants it, it's hers. If not, it's out there anyway... > It is always easier to beg forgivness after the fact than to ask permission. You just need to be careful that you don't include any copyritted information in your work or limit destribution to valid plans holders. With her daughter being a lawyer, the copyright issue may very well come up. The chapter format of the Rutan plans has a lot of merit. On the Cozy list, all a builder has to do is say he is working on Chapter 23 and everyone knows exactly where he is in the build process. If you are interrested, I have the Rutan CD-ROM with the plans for all of the Rutan designs. You are more than welcome to borrow it for ideas in structuring the new plans/manual. I think Mark Lougheed has the CD-ROM at the present. If it is with someone else, I hope they will speak up and let me know where it is. I guess I need a library check out procedure. Lougheed has the CD-ROM, Randy has my composite video tapes and the books are with someone :-) It might be constructive to put together an outline of chapters and post it to the KRNet for input. THis way people can sign on to work on specific chapters and a list of who is working on what can be posted to a web page. Links can be established to the work in process pages so all can view progress and/or contribute. Steve EBerhart --------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Online manual From: donald.norris@natinst.com Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 13:59:42 -0600 X-Message-Number: 10 Hey everyone, I will compile the whole manual in PDF format and write an HTML header for a nice interface. Then I could provide the Hybrid PC/Mac version to anyone who needs it at the cost of the CD and postage. If this sounds good to anyone, let me know, and I will get with you on how to write the PDF files from your computer. I could also include photos and video on the CD if there is a need. -Donald 38TF ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:welcome From: "dene collett" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:59:52 X-Message-Number: 11 Hi Don, hi all thanks for the welcome. I will try to give some specs on my project. As I am not using any plans, my plane is built using the same building methods with some measurements from a friends KR2 and some literature on the changes for the KR2S. The mods include longer fuz, raised cockpit sides for extra headroom, fully retractable trycycle gear, larger control surfaces and a host of other things that I considder improvements.For power I will be using a type 4 VW with a prop hub extension that I designed and still have to test. If it works I will share it with everybody, it will sort out lots of problems and will be a lot lighter than all the devices that I have seen so far. In the meantime can anyone tell me what the longest distance is that a KR has flown without refuelling. Dene Collett SA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: introduction---new member From: "dene collett" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:30:20 +0200 X-Message-Number: 12 Hi Don, Hi all Thanks for the welcome Don. I will try to give some specs of my project.As I don`t have any plans and I don`t know of anybody with a KR2S , all I am going by is measurements from a friends KR2 and some written info on the changes to make a 2s. My "modifications" include a fully retractable trycycle gear, larger control surfaces, raised fusulage sides to gain more headroom and a beefed up main spar amongst other things. for power I will be using a type 4 vw with a prop hub extension that I have designed and have yet to test. Due to the fact that I am not working from plans, I have many questions that will probably dig up many "dead horses" but this message is long enough already. I have one question now, can anyone tell me what the longest distance traveled by a KR is without refuelling? Dene Collett S.A G.M.T +2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:welcome From: Steven Eberhart Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:14:47 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 13 Wow, we need to see pictures of this. What is it about these people named Dene/Dean Collett/Collette? Dean's new fuselage construction and Dene's retractable tri-gear - they have to have a common ancestor, probably named Wright or something like that. Keep up the work and post some pictures Steve EBerhart On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, dene collett wrote: > Hi Don, hi all thanks for the welcome. I will try to give some specs on my > project. As I am not using any plans, my plane is built using the same > building methods with some measurements from a friends KR2 and some > literature on the changes for the KR2S. The mods include longer fuz, raised > cockpit sides for extra headroom, fully retractable trycycle gear, larger > control surfaces and a host of other things that I considder > improvements.For power I will be using a type 4 VW with a prop hub > extension that I designed and still have to test. If it works I will share > it with everybody, it will sort out lots of problems and will be a lot > lighter than all the devices that I have seen so far. In the meantime can > anyone tell me what the longest distance is that a KR has flown without > refuelling. > Dene Collett > SA > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: newtech@newtech.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Online manual From: "Mark Langford" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:44:25 -0600 X-Message-Number: 14 >Hey everyone, I will compile the whole manual in PDF format and write an >HTML header for a nice interface. Sounds good. Do you have some space on a server where we could put this as it progresses, or shall I put it on mine until we "finish"? Or should we cobble it up in HTML, Word, whatever way we can get it, and then assemble it into PDF? I'm hoping that this will be a living document, so that as we are reminded of problems (like the plywood webbing around the horizontal stab spars during boat construction) we can add it to the appropriate chapter. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford -----Original Message----- From: donald.norris@natinst.com To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 2:01 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Online manual >Hey everyone, I will compile the whole manual in PDF format and write an >HTML header for a nice interface. Then I could provide the Hybrid PC/Mac >version to anyone who needs it at the cost of the CD and postage. If this >sounds good to anyone, let me know, and I will get with you on how to write >the PDF files from your computer. >I could also include photos and video on the CD if there is a need. > >-Donald >38TF > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: langford@hiwaay.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Online manual From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:44:15 -0500 X-Message-Number: 15 At 03:44 PM 3/22/99 -0600, you wrote: >>Hey everyone, I will compile the whole manual in PDF format and write an >>HTML header for a nice interface. > >Sounds good. Do you have some space on a server where we could put this as >it progresses, or shall I put it on mine until we "finish"? Or should we >cobble it up in HTML, Word, whatever way we can get it, and then assemble it >into PDF? I'm hoping that this will be a living document, so that as we are >reminded of problems (like the plywood webbing around the horizontal stab >spars during boat construction) we can add it to the appropriate chapter. > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford I have 2gigs of free space on my web server. I imagine that I can spare enough space to store it all. (-; WD -------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, NC mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger -------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: looking at kr's in michigan From: "Eddie KIng" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:56:50 -0000 X-Message-Number: 16 John I do have some drawings and details of the parts. Don't get any time during the working week so will try and dig them out and get back at the weekend. Eddie King ----- Original Message ----- From: John Esch To: KR-net users group Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 5:58 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: looking at kr's in michigan >Eddie >Would you have drawings for your sliding canopy setup? > >John F. Esch >Salem, OR >KR-2SSW > >Eddie KIng wrote: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Eddie KIng >> To: Mike Mims >> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 1999 6:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [kr-net] Re: looking at kr's in michigan >> I got a bounce back from your email address so this reply is to the group. >> I've redone the jpg's to gif's, might work better now? >> >> >Mike, >> >I need to re-do the pix, they're there on my browser (IE5) maybe not on >> >others. >> >'DF flies a bit like she looks, nice handling, climbs about 1030fpm at >> >65kts, cruises 125 kts at 2950, fun to land in a crosswind (if you don't >> >have to don't do it!) >> >We've got disc brakes, alternator, electric start, Elison carb plus radio & >> >gps, great relaxation after work. >> >The HAPI magnum was bought new by the builder in about '89 and stored until >> >'94 so it's only done 15 hours from new. Very crisp, starts on the button, >> >the head, oil & egts all stay in the green. The weather over here has been >> >very changeable so i've only flown it five hours so far (as I write this >> its >> >blowing about 35-40 not a day to fly small airplanes!) >> >Eddie King >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: Mike Mims >> >To: Eddie KIng >> >Sent: Sunday, March 21, 1999 6:02 PM >> >Subject: Re: [kr-net] Re: looking at kr's in michigan >> > >> > >> >>Eddie KIng wrote: >> >>> >> >> See what you think at >> >>> http://www.a1techno.com/kr2/ >> >>> >> >> >> >>Eddie, the top picture is not there. Maybe it wasn't loaded to the >> >>server? Good looking KR by the way! How do you like the way it flies? >> >>Also how is the performance with the HAPPY Magnum? >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >> >>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >> >>Micheal Mims >> >>KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Building ailerons and sanding the wings... >> >>mailto:mikemims@home.com >> >>http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >> >>Aliso Viejo Ca >> >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> >> > >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jfesch@home.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: king@netgates.co.uk >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Project for sale From: "Brian J. Bland" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:57:47 -0600 X-Message-Number: 17 Due to an upcoming divorce I will probably be forced to sell my project due to not having anywhere to store it until I get relocated. I would be willing to accept any reasonable offer over $500. I am not going to disappear from KRNet or anything and I still plan to someday complete one. My KR has been stretched 14 inches from the 2-s plans and also widened to the width of approximately a Dragonfly. If anyone wants to know anymore about it you can see it at: http://www.flight2000.com/hangar/KR-2S You can also e-mail me privately with any specific questions. - Brian J Bland Claremore, OK Mail to: brianbland@netzero.net http://www.flight2000.com/hangar/KR-2S/ ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Wing Destruction!!! From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:13:04 EST X-Message-Number: 18 Now that I have your attention................seeing is believing. I came across a "deihl" on some wing skins that I couldn't pass up. So here I am looking at wings that I had laid up and labored over for, oh hell I don't even want too know. Anyway, I figured I could skin the thing in no time with some help from a couple of Glasair guys (I forgot, we are not supposed to mention other planes on the KRnet:-). But first I would have to remove the foam and glass from the spars and clean up the resin from the spars caps. Instead of the old drudgery of cutting the foam off, I decided to try an experiment. I laid one outer wing panel in the driveway. My youngest son, whom I just recently allowed to help in carrying the panels, wasn't in on what was going to happen. I got both my sons, one is a soph. in high school and lettered in varsity football last year so he is not real small, and told them to STAND on the wing. My youngest later said, he thought I had finally snapped under the pressure of tax season (I'm a CPA). Both of them got on the panel without going through it, only a small bit of crunching, but the wings integrity was not compromise, I guarantee it. I took a couple of pictures. I then told them to jump on the wing................this went over real big with them. Both of them jumped probably a half a dozen times and did not go through the wing. I laid up one later of KR cloth and one layer of 8.8 oz cloth on these wings. The jumping did break the foam on the inside but only depressed probably 1 - 1 1/2 inches. I am absolute certain the wing would have flown in this condition to enable you to get back to earth safely, as in equal number of takeoffs and landings. For those of you who want the pictures, I will send them to you. I don't have time right now to set up a web page on my site with the pictures. I'll probably do that when I set up a page for the skinning process. If you were ever worried about a foam winged airplane, forget it. It may not have been a scientific experiment but it sure as hell impressed my ass (sorry for the french). If you go with Mark Langford's technique of foam skinning you will end up with even stronger wings than what mine were. Send me your address off the KRnet and I'll send you a couple of JPGs. Oh, by the way, Melody Mountains put on one heck of show at LangfordKosh, see said sorry but she will not be able to make ChinoKosh.........sorry guys. Chris Gardner gets the longest traveled to LangfordKosh, all the way from Canada (well, really he was in Montgomery for work). His pictures are fantastic, he's building one really nice KR. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Aileron weight attach arm From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:02:23 -0800 X-Message-Number: 19 Mine are cut from aluminum angle as specified in your statement below. I don't know about the RR kit as I didn't have any of their hardware. Jeff On Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:12:32 -0800 Mike Mims writes: >Those of you who have built your aileron balance weight arms what did >you make them out of? Did you use the aluminum angle (2"X 4") that >is >included in the RR aluminum kit? > >If the weather holds out this week I should have the ailerons glassed >here pretty soon. Another milestone! I will be when all the airframe >building is done because to tell you the truth I am getting tired of >building! > >I don't know how you guys stick with a project for more than 3 years. >My >hat is off to you! > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Building ailerons and sanding the wings... >mailto:mikemims@home.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >Aliso Viejo Ca >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jscott.pilot@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Online manual From: Collins Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:01:28 -0500 X-Message-Number: 20 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE74A7.E9D0FAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This certainly sounds good to me, and I would gladly provide the CD + Postage. ---------- From: donald.norris@natinst.com[SMTP:donald.norris@natinst.com] Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 2:59 PM To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Re: Online manual Hey everyone, I will compile the whole manual in PDF format and write an HTML header for a nice interface. Then I could provide the Hybrid PC/Mac version to anyone who needs it at the cost of the CD and postage. If this sounds good to anyone, let me know, and I will get with you on how to write the PDF files from your computer. 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With my Tri-Gear, I try to limit 90 degree crosswinds to about a steady 15 mph. It can handle more but stating how much more will only be bragging. I don't like to fly in choppy wind, the rougher it gets the more I have to slow down. At about 120mph, I can handle anything that I have ever got caught in. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KRNet From: Bobby Muse Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:06:15 -0600 X-Message-Number: 22 I watched this conversation go on long enough and I haven't seen us grow much from this experience. I would like to make the following suggestion. Let's change or redefine the rules concerning advertising on the KRNet. I suggest that we allow commerical advertisements concerning the KR only. Advertisements should be limited to one day each week only. Maybe we select Friday(or whatever). Also, it will be O.K. to reference item purchased from any vendor(ie. Wicks, AS&S, Leading or Trailing Edge, etc.) or other aircraft manufactors(ie. Dragonfly, RVs, etc.). What do you think? Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Aileron weight attach arm From: Bobby Muse Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:11:05 -0600 X-Message-Number: 23 At 10:12 PM 03/21/1999 -0800, you wrote: >Those of you who have built your aileron balance weight arms what did >you make them out of? > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims > I used 4130 flat stock(1/8" x 1/2"), bent at 90 degrees, attached to the aileron apare and long enough to hold the wieght as far forward as possible. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KRNet From: Steven Eberhart Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:29:51 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 24 I like this! One other mail list I am on has a Friday humor theme that has gotten started. It sorta brightens up a Friday. We could relax the rules a little, like Bobby says, of Fridays. Steve On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Bobby Muse wrote: > > > I watched this conversation go on long enough and I haven't seen us grow > much from this experience. > > I would like to make the following suggestion. Let's change or redefine the > rules concerning advertising on the KRNet. > > I suggest that we allow commerical advertisements concerning the KR only. > Advertisements should be limited to one day each week only. Maybe we select > Friday(or whatever). Also, it will be O.K. to reference item purchased from > any vendor(ie. Wicks, AS&S, Leading or Trailing Edge, etc.) or other > aircraft manufactors(ie. Dragonfly, RVs, etc.). > > What do you think? > > > > > Bobby Muse > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: newtech@newtech.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Online manual From: Bobby Muse Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:37:09 -0600 X-Message-Number: 25 At 01:36 PM 03/22/1999 -0600, you wrote: >On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Mark Langford wrote: > >> Rich Parker wrote: >> >> >We should however try to establish a clear goal and have >> >Jeanettes support and comittment up front. > >It is always easier to beg forgivness after the fact than to ask >permission. > >You just need to be careful that you don't include any copyritted >information in your work or limit destribution to valid plans holders. >With her daughter being a lawyer, the copyright issue may very well come >up. > >The chapter format of the Rutan plans has a lot of merit. On the Cozy >list, all a builder has to do is say he is working on Chapter 23 and >everyone knows exactly where he is in the build process. >It might be constructive to put together an outline of chapters and post >it to the KRNet for input. THis way people can sign on to work on >specific chapters and a list of who is working on what can be posted to a >web page. Links can be established to the work in process pages so all can >view progress and/or contribute. > >Steve EBerhart >--------------- > I like Steve's idea. Under a format such as this.. I'm in. I'm not sure that I'm a writer but I would volunteer as an 'Editor' or anyway that I can contribute. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:welcome From: Bobby Muse Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:37:10 -0600 X-Message-Number: 26 At 12:59 PM 03/22/1999, you wrote: > In the meantime can >anyone tell me what the longest distance is that a KR has flown without >refuelling. >Dene Collett That's what Ken Rand was trying to prove when he died. From Lakeland, FL. he refueled once in Houston,TX(I think) and almost made home to Huntington Beach,CA, of course that was a KR1. At least that what I heard. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KRNet From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:38:36 -0500 X-Message-Number: 27 I agree. Why not let people sell items. I feel sure that many people has items for sale or are looking for parts for the airplanes. I have three items I would like to offer for sale. R. W. Moore -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Muse To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 10:07 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: KRNet > > >I watched this conversation go on long enough and I haven't seen us grow >much from this experience. > >I would like to make the following suggestion. Let's change or redefine the >rules concerning advertising on the KRNet. > >I suggest that we allow commerical advertisements concerning the KR only. >Advertisements should be limited to one day each week only. Maybe we select >Friday(or whatever). Also, it will be O.K. to reference item purchased from >any vendor(ie. Wicks, AS&S, Leading or Trailing Edge, etc.) or other >aircraft manufactors(ie. Dragonfly, RVs, etc.). > >What do you think? > > > > > Bobby Muse > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KRNet From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:10:40 -0800 X-Message-Number: 28 Bobby Muse wrote: > > Advertisements should be limited to one day each week only. Maybe we select Friday(or whatever). Also, it will be O.K. to reference item purchased from any vendor(ie. Wicks, AS&S, Leading or Trailing Edge, etc.) or other aircraft manufactors(ie. Dragonfly, RVs, etc.).>>>>> I like this, two thumbs up from this KR builder / KRNet user. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Building ailerons and sanding the wings... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Online manual From: CHolder280@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:01:07 EST X-Message-Number: 29 Mike that's a great idea. I for one would benefit from such a publication. For example, canopy installation, tri-gear installation, 3-position lighting,etc. I've enjoyed many of the home pages by some of the builders, but a concentrated packages would be great. Keep up the great work guys. ( My 2cents worth ) :o) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:welcome From: "caryh" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:05:16 -0500 X-Message-Number: 30 Did they consider the lenght of descent into the mountain in calculating how far he could go on a single... Oh. No I guess not as he choked out at altitude so the verticle descent would not be added. Sorry. Carry on. - Cary - Reply to caryh@home.com Web http://members.home.net/caryh KR2 http://members.home.net/caryh/kr-2.htm -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Muse To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, March 22, 1999 10:40 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re:welcome >At 12:59 PM 03/22/1999, you wrote: >> In the meantime can >>anyone tell me what the longest distance is that a KR has flown without >>refuelling. >>Dene Collett > >That's what Ken Rand was trying to prove when he died. From Lakeland, FL. >he refueled once in Houston,TX(I think) and almost made home to Huntington >Beach,CA, of course that was a KR1. At least that what I heard. > > Bobby Muse > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: caryh@home.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Online manual From: Michael Taglieri Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 01:30:27 EST X-Message-Number: 31 >I for one think that this is an excellent idea. FWIW i would suggest a >format of first explaining the manual / print as produced then any proven >alternatives. I think that this would eliminate a lot of phone calls and >redundant E-mails as newbys start their projects. If Jeannette does not want >to incorperate this with/in her plans then i see nothing wrong with selling >it for cost of production and mailing. Just my thoughts. I've heard (and said) many negative things about the manual on this list, but I don't think anyone here believes that all the parts of it are equally bad or confusing. Maybe the best way to conserve people's energy would be to start revising the chapters or pages that are worst and offer them to Jeanette as improvements to the manual rather than a total replacement for it. Mike Taglieri _____________________________________________ "Fundamentally the marksman aims at himself." - from Zen And the Art of Archery ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fibreglass epoxy From: "John Martindale" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:50:8 X-Message-Number: 32 What's best for laying up fibreglass on KR's, Aeroepoxy from PTM&W Industries,E-Zpoxy from Composite design or the RR brew?? I'm sorry if this has been asked a hundred times but none are available locally in Australia and the approved epoxies over here (CIBA-GEIGY LC 191)are about 4 to 5 times the cost or available in 200 litre amounts. Malcolm, if you're here please remail me your address etc. John. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fibreglass epoxy From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:24:06 -0800 X-Message-Number: 33 John Martindale wrote: > > What's best for laying up fibreglass on KR's, Aeroepoxy from PTM&W > Industries,E-Zpoxy from Composite design or the RR brew?? This is gonna come down to personal preference you know! :o) I have used all three epoxies you listed and like the EZpoxy the best (by FAR). Of course I have built in the past with Safe-t-poxy and EZPoxy is the same recipe so that could have something to do with it. It wets out really nice and hardens up great in about 24 hours (its also fuel proof against 100LL). The Aeropoxy that I used took too long to harden completely and was much more difficult to wetout the cloth and yes I was using the fast cure Aeropoxy in about 80 degree temps (and its NOT fuel proof). The Rand epoxy (as much as I don't like slamming RR) is not even in the same ball park. Imagine trying to wet out cloth with T88 and you will get the picture!! :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Building ailerons and sanding the wings... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com