From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 12:29 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: April 22, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Thursday, April 22, 1999. 1. Re: typing in upper case and other stuff 2. Re: errant email 3. Re: [kr-net]stall speed 4. RE: HAPPY99 INTERNET WORM... Dene collett's sending it! <.LYR19348-217832-1999.04.15-21.38.12--ronald.freiberger#cwix.com@telelists.com> 5. Stall Speed 6. Re: ELT 7. Re: upper case (& balkanization) and other stuff 8. Paul's trigear KR 9. Idle and Flaps 10. Re: [kr-net]stall speed 11. Re: Idle and Flaps 12. extra weight up front 13. Re: [kr-net]Methylene Chloride 14. Re: Corvair sites 15. Re: corvair engines 16. Re: new CAD KR-2S plans and manual at Sun-N-Fun 17. Re: Corvair sites 18. Re: Corvair sites 19. Re: corvair engines 20. Re: Airfoils 21. Re: corvair engines 22. N541RY Status Update 23. Re: Re: corvair engines 24. decals 25. KR Flyin Sept. 26. Re: Re: Corvair sites 27. Re: Re: Corvair sites 28. Re: Re: Airfoils 29. Re: Re: Corvair sites 30. Re: Re: Corvair sites 31. Re: KR Flyin Sept. 32. Re: [kr-net]stall speed 33. Intergrated Cabin and Carb Heater Manifold 34. Re: Intergrated Cabin and Carb Heater Manifold ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: typing in upper case and other stuff From: SkyHawk11@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:26:40 EDT X-Message-Number: 1 woops sorry not a good typist and did not catch the upper case mistake will do better BUT we are really excited about the way 808BS flys it has performed perfectly so far and does not have all the modifications the every one is talking about making. Built very close to the plans skyhawk11 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: errant email From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:02:32 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 At 08:56 PM 4/21/99 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 4/21/99 7:15:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >dodger@coincidental.net writes: > ><< There are a couple of small groups that are not happy with the way > KRnet is going. The originals want to have their own little tight group > and some resent the new people asking the same old questions > time after time. >> > >I tried to think of a good way to respond to this and I can't think of a good >one. The originals on the KRNet are all builders, not plans readers, most >with construction web sites. We know the pitfalls of the construction -snip- Sorry to upset you and others. I never meant for that email to go to the list. It was my honest mistake that I forgot to change the send to address. However, I see what I see. Others may not see the same thing. It's much better for the list if such communications are kept private and I make an effort to do just that. I promise to do better in the future, Take care, WD -------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.accessnode.net/~dodger -------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [kr-net]stall speed From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:18:29 -0400 X-Message-Number: 3 At 12:11 AM 4/22/99 -0700, you wrote: >NFCKR3@aol.com wrote: > >> PS At the forum in Lakeland a fellow stated that he had a 645 pound KR that stalled at 36 mph. I tested mine and at 606 pounds I can't do better that 60 mph! What speeds are some of you getting?? >> > >Well maybe he only weighed 120 pounds and that was with little fuel and >with power on? I have a hard time believing that one but you never >know. Maybe he has a magic airspeed indicator! I know in this >eXperimental aviation world we live, there are such things. I once saw >a magical set of scales that said a Subaru engine only weighed 180 >pounds (with redrive) so I guess anything is possible. :o) > >Not only that your airspeed error at that slow of an airspeed (or his) >may be very large. Also what is considered a stall to you may not be a >stall to him. Maybe you are talking about a large sink rate and he is >talking about a nice clean break? From what I have heard it is possible >to stall them as slow as 40 to 45 mph under the right conditions. To >many particulars involved to worry about this kind of comparison though. >Can you get in and out of 500 feet solo? If so then you have nothing to >worry about. The fellow was Tom Crawford and he claims 38MPH true stall speed and has a good argument to back it up. It does seem awfully slow and yes, there are others that say they can't much better then 60MPH stall, but Not being a KR flyer, I can't judge. Tom is a really nice person and I'll have to believe what he says. One thing about Tom's KR2, it is very carefully built and very clean. I would be willing to bet that it is just as carefully rigged, and that may very well be the difference, also, he has the Diehl wings and I have to believe that they contribute to his performance as well. For those of you who haven't seen Toms KR2, you should make every effort to do so. WD -------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.accessnode.net/~dodger -------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: HAPPY99 INTERNET WORM... Dene collett's sending it! <.LYR19348-217832-1999.04.15-21.38.12--ronald.freiberger#cwix.com@telelists.com> From: IanParr@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:23:54 EDT X-Message-Number: 4 You'll probably have to send a copy to everyone who reads his message on ailerons -----Original Message----- From: bounce-kr-net-19348@telelists.com [mailto:bounce-kr-net-19348@telelists.com] On Behalf Of Wayne DeLisle Sr. Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 11:38 PM To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] HAPPY99 INTERNET WORM At 06:16 AM 4/16/99 +0200, you wrote: > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dodger@coincidental.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > >Attachment Converted: "C:\Program Files\Eudora\attach\Happy99.exe" > I sent Dene a copy of the directions for removing HAPPY99 from his system. If anyone else would like a copy, just send me an empty email with the subject line; request happy99.txt WD -------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger -------------------------------------------- --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ronald.freiberger@cwix.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ianparr@aol.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (rly-zb04.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.4]) by air-zb01.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:03:53 -0400 Received: from lyris.teleport.com (lyris.teleport.com [192.108.254.49]) by rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id DAA09676 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 02:58:22 -0500 From: Ron Freiberger Subject: [kr-net] RE: HAPPY99 INTERNET WORM... Dene collett's sending it! To: "KR-net users group" Reply-to: "KR-net users group" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-URL: X-List-Host: Telelists List Hosting Services X-Message-Id: <000001be88a8$12d9cee0$2ab13ea6@ronfreib> Sender: bounce-kr-net-56007@telelists.com Precedence: bulk X-disclaimer: KR-net assumes no responsibility for the information posted on this list ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Stall Speed From: Jim Faughn Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:47:03 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 My stall speed is about 45 mph indicated, solo. In ground effect I have seen as low as 40 mph before the wheels sit down. The differences in speeds, both stall and cruise, between the various planes of similar weight is most probably due to the lack of a calibrated airspeed system. The most probable cause is the static air source. (just my opinion) -- Jim Faughn N8931JF St. Louis, MO (314) 652-7659 or (573) 465-8039 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ELT From: NFCKR3@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:10:47 EDT X-Message-Number: 6 Yes, stall speeds are only relative. To use a GPS to verify a stall speed will not work except in a no wind condition, which doesn't happen very often. Of course with a GPS you could fly in one direction, check the stall, and then in the opposite direction and check the stall, add the two speeds divide by 2 and have the accurate stall speed. We all know that there is no such thing as an accurate airspeed that is accurate at both ends of its range. I was just trying to come up with some ideas as to what was a norm. The Rand literature says 52, which Jeanette told me was a little on the high side. My KR weighs 606 pounds empty weight and the 645 pound one I was told was empty. I weigh 165 and the other pilot said he weighed 150. The point is wing loading versus stall speed, so I guess I will have to live with the 62mph IAS which could be 36 or 66mph? Also the stainless is not as good as copper, but it works. The best solution would be to go to a stain glass shop and buy copper self adhesive tape, then lay out radials around the base of the antenna. For now I will use the stainless, it works in my instillation. Skip 250KB ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: upper case (& balkanization) and other stuff From: Kimball Anderson Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:46:47 -0400 X-Message-Number: 7 /* snip */ >As for the other list, like I said you are not missing anything so lets >just drop that one for now. We lost a good KRNet member today because of >all the whining over the "elitist list". I know of at least one other good member who has left KRNet over this issue. Unless there's some compelling reason to continue this line of discussion -- and I fail to see what that might be -- I think Mike's right. It might be a good time to drop this line of discussion. And, no, I'm not a member of the "elitists." I have enough trouble keeping up with the KRNet stuff without adding to it. Kimball Anderson isleno@hargray.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Paul's trigear KR From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:58:31 PDT X-Message-Number: 8 Hi, Netters Paul Martin's email is down due to tech difficulties and he rarely posts to the list, but I talked with him last night and thought it would be worthwhile to pass along that he is very close to first flight on his trigear conversion. Probably early May. Paul has a POSA on his VW engine, and was having uneven power at WOT, so finally decided to make himself another needle. He says it turned out coke-bottle-shape, but that's the way it ends up if you follow the detailed instructions posted here a week or two ago about how to custom-tune at bottom, middle, and top end. Not an even taper the full length, but rather varied in taper from butt to tip. There is another guy up in Grants Pass (about 40 mi. north of Paul and I) converting another KR retract to trigear. There must be something in the air. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Idle and Flaps From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:52:40 EDT X-Message-Number: 9 As some of you allready know I have had a problem trying to get my 2100 Revmaster with the revmaster carb to idle at less than 1200 rpm at operating temp. That makes for a higher landing speed. Any suggestions? Also I installed a 6" belly board driven with a RV- Flap motor. It has no holes. Should it? Why? Don Clarke (El Paso) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [kr-net]stall speed From: David Moore Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:11:03 +0000 X-Message-Number: 10 I've got to agree with Wayne on this one. I saw Tom Crawford just after he arrived at Lakeland, and if all KR's looked this good no one would be building a Lanc--- or that other Glas---> He did say the controller at Lakeland kept calling him, saying "GLASAIR, KEEP YOUR SPEED UP". I talked to Tom about the T4 engine, he said with 145 hrs. no problems and the extra weight seems to solve the tail heavy sensitive pitch problem we've discussed to death. Dave Moore > >Tom is a really nice person and I'll have to believe what he says. One thing >about Tom's KR2, it is very carefully built and very clean. I would be >willing to bet that it is just as carefully rigged, and that may very well be >the difference, also, he has the Diehl wings and I have to believe that they >contribute to his performance as well. > >For those of you who haven't seen Toms KR2, you should make every >effort to do so. > >WD >-------------------------------------------- >Wayne DeLisle Sr. >Charlotte, North Carolina USA >mailto:dodger@coincidental.net >http://angst.accessnode.net/~dodger >-------------------------------------------- >________________________________________________________ >NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? >Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at >http://www.netzero.net/download.html > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dgmoore1@gte.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > David G. Moore mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net Henderson, Nevada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Idle and Flaps From: David Moore Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:24:29 +0000 X-Message-Number: 11 Don, If your having trouble getting the engine to idle below 1200 rpm, you probably have a vacuum leak. Check the carburetor base casket for a good seal. Dave Moore At 09:52 AM 4/22/99 EDT, you wrote: >As some of you allready know I have had a problem trying to get my 2100 >Revmaster with the revmaster carb to idle at less than 1200 rpm at operating >temp. That makes for a higher landing speed. Any suggestions? Also I >installed a 6" belly board driven with a RV- Flap motor. It has no holes. >Should it? Why? Don Clarke (El Paso) > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dgmoore1@gte.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > David G. Moore mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net Henderson, Nevada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: extra weight up front From: "John Bryhan" Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:7:49 X-Message-Number: 12 In that case me and Mimm's planes ought to be really stable >the extra weight seems to solve the tail heavy sensitive pitch problem >we've discussed to death. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [kr-net]Methylene Chloride From: IanParr@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:09:06 EDT X-Message-Number: 13 Its also used to decafinate coffee. (Really I'm not kidding) I stripped and refinished antiques furniture with it for a couple of years. I've probably got a little stored up in my organs. Proper ventilation and protective equipment is suggested. it is available in gel or liquid. the liquid evaporates quicker however both can be covered with newspaper to minimize evaporation while you are waiting for it to work. it burns on your hands at first but after a while you dont even feel it. Does a hell of a job on contact lenses though! Rich Parker >From: boggyd@webtv.net (D Bogdan) >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Re: Methylene Chloride (fwd) >Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:00:25 -0600 (CST) > >If methelene chloride is the stuff they use in paint strippers, I've >read that it is harmful. Didn't the EPA come out with new low level >guilines for workers? I read about this in "Aviation Maintenance" > >regards, > >DJ >Milwaukee > >Success comes in cans.... > > > not in can'ts, > > ><< attach3 >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ianparr@aol.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (rly-ya01.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.193]) by air-ya05.mx.aol.com (v58.11) with SMTP; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:58:22 -0500 Received: from lyris.teleport.com (lyris.teleport.com [192.108.254.49]) by rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id SAA15866 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:58:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [204.97.23.99] From: "Richard Parker" To: "KR-net users group" Subject: [kr-net] Re: [kr-net]Methylene Chloride Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:57:25 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-URL: X-List-Host: Telelists List Hosting Services Reply-To: "KR-net users group" X-Message-Id: <19990318235729.14830.qmail@hotmail.com> Sender: bounce-kr-net-56007@telelists.com Precedence: bulk X-disclaimer: KR-net assumes no responsibility for the information posted on this list ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Corvair sites From: IanParr@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:08:39 EDT X-Message-Number: 14 None of these are good. --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ianparr@aol.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (rly-ya01.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.193]) by air-ya05.mx.aol.com (v58.11) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:24:35 -0500 Received: from lyris.teleport.com (lyris.teleport.com [192.108.254.49]) by rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id DAA04908 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:24:32 -0500 (EST) From: Tlongcrier@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:20:16 EST To: "KR-net users group" Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [kr-net] Re: Corvair sites Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-URL: X-List-Host: Telelists List Hosting Services Reply-To: "KR-net users group" X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-kr-net-56007@telelists.com Precedence: bulk X-disclaimer: KR-net assumes no responsibility for the information posted on this list ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: corvair engines From: IanParr@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:09:04 EDT X-Message-Number: 15 Had a friend put one in a Davis DA-2. Enginne ran fine but had problems finding the right prop. Seems that not many places support that engine. Jean N4DD -----Original Message----- From: thomas_marcella@uml.edu To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 4:05 AM Subject: [kr-net] corvair engines >I have been reading William Wynne's web page about using the corvair engine >for aircraft. It sounds like a good match for the kr-2. Does anyone have >any comments on this? Are there any kr's flying with a corvair engine? >What do you engine guys think of this engine? I do know a kr builder in >Salem, Mass who intends to use the corvair engine in his kr-2s, but, >generally, there doesnt seem to be any interest in it. >Tom > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: N4DD@prodigy.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ianparr@aol.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (rly-ya01.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.193]) by air-ya04.mx.aol.com (v58.11) with SMTP; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:49:50 -0500 Received: from lyris.teleport.com (lyris.teleport.com [192.108.254.49]) by rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id WAA09485 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:49:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "JEAN" To: "KR-net users group" Subject: [kr-net] Re: corvair engines Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:43:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-URL: X-List-Host: Telelists List Hosting Services Reply-To: "KR-net users group" X-Message-Id: <001601be71ba$c10a8360$dc579cd1@default> Sender: bounce-kr-net-56007@telelists.com Precedence: bulk X-disclaimer: KR-net assumes no responsibility for the information posted on this list ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: new CAD KR-2S plans and manual at Sun-N-Fun From: IanParr@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:09:17 EDT X-Message-Number: 16 I spoke with Jeanette just a week or so ago. I know the she has rented space for Sun & Fun, but at this point she is unsure if she will be able to attend (family member is ill.) If you are getting the answering machine more then usual lately - this is probably the reason. I also wanted to point out (for the record) that I don't think RR is a "bad company," nor do I harbor any ill-will toward Jeanette. Actually, it's quite the contrary - I have a great deal of respect for Jeanette. After loosing her husband in a KR, she managed to raise a family single handedly, by keeping the company and the airplane alive - no small task. As of now, RR has no CAD drawings of the KR. I believe she owns a set of Mark Lougheed's lofted drawings (but I could be mistaken) and those are plotted CAD files. Could this be what was seen at Sun & Fun? Jeanette has looked into having CAD files done several times, even gave a set of plans to someone in exchange for CAD conversion a couple of years ago, but that is as far as it has gotten. Dean mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Site at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm -----Original Message----- From: Steven Eberhart To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 12:53 AM Subject: [kr-net] new CAD KR-2S plans and manual at Sun-N-Fun >On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 Kr2dream@aol.com wrote: > >[snip] > >> I met with Jeanette at Sun-N-Fuln last April and she showed me the new KR >> drawings which were done on CADD and incorporated the input of a number of >> people. She also had a draft outline of the new manual. > >[snip] > >I sure hope you are right. I will be the first to thank Jeanette when >they are available. There has been talk of a set of CAD generated plans >for a couple of years now but I have yet to see them. Every time I talk >to Jeanette she says that they are being worked on and she needs to get >them back from the person that is doing the work. Now that Sun-N-Fun is >upon us again, has anyone seen the new plans? I tried to call Jeanette >yesterday and got their answering machine - will try again today. > >Steve Eberhart >-------------------------- >http://www.newtech.com/nlf > >One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are >easier to get. > --plagiarized from an unknown author > >All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly >food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything >more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: drdean@execpc.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ianparr@aol.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (rly-ya01.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.193]) by air-ya02.mx.aol.com (v58.11) with SMTP; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:58:18 -0500 Received: from lyris.teleport.com (lyris.teleport.com [192.108.254.49]) by rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id IAA09602 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:58:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Dean Collette" To: "KR-net users group" Subject: [kr-net] Re: new CAD KR-2S plans and manual at Sun-N-Fun Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:02:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-URL: X-List-Host: Telelists List Hosting Services Reply-To: "KR-net users group" X-Message-Id: <01be7147$fadc9790$0200a8c0@dean-s-machine> Sender: bounce-kr-net-56007@telelists.com Precedence: bulk X-disclaimer: KR-net assumes no responsibility for the information posted on this list ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Corvair sites From: IanParr@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:08:45 EDT X-Message-Number: 17 http://www.corvairunderground.com/lon.htm http://users.aol.com/bpabpa7315/tm.html http://www.corvair.org/CSAClad.htm http://www.corvair.org/ http://members.aol.com/~vairparts/index.html non corvair http://www.provide.net/~pratt/ambuilt/faqhmblt.htm -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Building ailerons and sanding the wings... mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ianparr@aol.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (rly-ya01.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.193]) by air-ya01.mail.aol.com (v58.11) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:39:51 -0500 Received: from lyris.teleport.com (lyris.teleport.com [192.108.254.49]) by rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id CAA08648 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:39:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:39:13 -0800 From: Mike Mims Organization: @Home Network X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "KR-net users group" Subject: [kr-net] Re: Corvair sites References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-URL: X-List-Host: Telelists List Hosting Services Reply-To: "KR-net users group" X-Message-Id: <36F1FF21.F3E8FD7D@home.com> Sender: bounce-kr-net-56007@telelists.com Precedence: bulk X-disclaimer: KR-net assumes no responsibility for the information posted on this list ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Corvair sites From: IanParr@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:08:33 EDT X-Message-Number: 18 At 06:07 AM 3/19/99 -0600, you wrote: >"I have never seen a cracked head, cylinder, case, crank or rod in the >hundreds of Corvair engines I have inspected. It is a very strong engine." I agree that the vair engine very tough. It's not likely that you will ever break a crank or crack a case. They do have other weaknesses though. I've seen a number of dropped valves and cracked heads, that was very likely caused by overheating. That's what happens when you break the fan belt and keep on driving. All of my experience was with the early engines. I've been told that the later ones had better heads. I've seen engines running a little rough and trailing a blue cloud of oil smoke, that when torn down had 2 dropped exhaust valves. The whole piston top was missing, but the car was still running...... (-; WD >What a testimonial (from http://www.omnispace.com/Corvair/ ). I guess that >new 2600cc Type 4 in the basement might be going into the Karmann Ghia >now... > >Thanks for the Corvair URLs, Randy. > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dodger@coincidental.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > -------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, NC mailto:dodger@coincidental.net http://angst.webserve.net/~dodger -------------------------------------------- --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ianparr@aol.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (rly-ya01.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.193]) by air-ya05.mx.aol.com (v58.11) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:31:03 -0500 Received: from lyris.teleport.com (lyris.teleport.com [192.108.254.49]) by rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id HAA20649 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:31:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: coincide4@coincidental.net Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:34:20 -0500 To: "KR-net users group" From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Subject: [kr-net] Re: Corvair sites Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-URL: X-List-Host: Telelists List Hosting Services Reply-To: "KR-net users group" X-Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990319073420.0076d638@coincidental.net> Sender: bounce-kr-net-56007@telelists.com Precedence: bulk X-disclaimer: KR-net assumes no responsibility for the information posted on this list ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: corvair engines From: IanParr@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:09:27 EDT X-Message-Number: 19 My most persistant memory of Corvair engines is that they were known for vibrating themselves right off of their engine mounts. Now, if they would do that in a car, what will it do in a KR??? -- On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:51:0 thomas_marcella wrote: >I have been reading William Wynne's web page about using the corvair engine >for aircraft. It sounds like a good match for the kr-2. Does anyone have >any comments on this? Are there any kr's flying with a corvair engine? >What do you engine guys think of this engine? I do know a kr builder in >Salem, Mass who intends to use the corvair engine in his kr-2s, but, >generally, there doesnt seem to be any interest in it. >Tom > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: JIM7@hotbot.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ianparr@aol.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.36]) by air-yc01.mail.aol.com (v58.11) with SMTP; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:50:10 -0500 Received: from lyris.teleport.com (lyris.teleport.com [192.108.254.49]) by rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id GAA28494 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:50:05 -0500 (EST) To: "KR-net users group" Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:11:56 -0000 From: "Jim Whiteshield" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off Subject: [kr-net] Re: corvair engines X-Sender-Ip: 208.21.139.98 Organization: HotBot Mail (http://mail.hotbot.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-URL: X-List-Host: Telelists List Hosting Services Reply-To: "KR-net users group" X-Message-Id: Sender: bounce-kr-net-56007@telelists.com Precedence: bulk X-disclaimer: KR-net assumes no responsibility for the information posted on this list ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Airfoils From: IanParr@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:10:03 EDT X-Message-Number: 20 JKM001@aol.com wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I was wondering if any of you know whicj airfoil the Taylorcraft uses. Any help would be appreciated.>>> They used a couple of different ones depending on year and model. What model and or year are you talking about? The F19 and a few others used the NACA 23015. In the beginning they used the same airfoil as the Cub (Clark Y I think). -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims KR290S (Sky Pig) ,..Building ailerons and sanding the wings.. mailto:mikemims@home.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo Ca Friends don't let Friends fly behind Ivo Props! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ianparr@aol.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (rly-zd01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.225]) by air-zd02.mail.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Wed, 07 Apr 1999 20:05:43 -0400 Received: from lyris.teleport.com (lyris.teleport.com [192.108.254.49]) by rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id UAA06350 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 20:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 17:03:34 -0700 From: Mike Mims Organization: @Home Network X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "KR-net users group" Subject: [kr-net] Re: Airfoils References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-URL: X-List-Host: Telelists List Hosting Services Reply-To: "KR-net users group" X-Message-Id: <370BF256.6F354532@home.com> Sender: bounce-kr-net-56007@telelists.com Precedence: bulk X-disclaimer: KR-net assumes no responsibility for the information posted on this list ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: corvair engines From: IanParr@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:08:53 EDT X-Message-Number: 21 The web address is Tom C. ---------- > From: JamesMcG@aol.com > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: corvair engines > Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 9:53 PM > > what is the web address for the corvair engine site? > > jim > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomlc@communique.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ianparr@aol.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (rly-ya01.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.193]) by air-ya03.mx.aol.com (v58.11) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:43:27 -0500 Received: from lyris.teleport.com (lyris.teleport.com [192.108.254.49]) by rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id AAA20867 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:43:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: From: "Tom Cummings" To: "KR-net users group" Subject: [kr-net] Re: corvair engines Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:56:46 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 List-Subscribe: List-Owner: X-URL: X-List-Host: Telelists List Hosting Services Reply-To: "KR-net users group" X-Message-Id: <199903190542.XAA15471@sakaki.communique.net> Sender: bounce-kr-net-56007@telelists.com Precedence: bulk X-disclaimer: KR-net assumes no responsibility for the information posted on this list ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: N541RY Status Update From: Ross Youngblood Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:29:23 -0700 X-Message-Number: 22 Hello, I'm sorry but I haven't been keeping up with all the KR-net email lately, I just get the index, and haven't been retrieving all the emails that peaked my interest. I'm headed out for vacation... be back in a week. In the meantime I went out to a local graphics shop near the Corvallis airport and have commissioned some lettering for "Experimental" in 2" high letters "KR-2" in 1" high letters and Owner/Builder stuff in 1" high lettering. Hopefully it will be ready for me when I get back... not building, but some progress going forward. I have also asked about getting the KR-net logo onto a decal for placing on your favorite KR, or toolbox. Assuming it doesn't cost too much I will get 50 or so made up. I will let folks know when I hear more. I was thinking about having some custom KR-net blank aircraft placards made up for use as ID plates. I'm going to check into this when I get back from vacation. I hope to arrive back from vacation with a box with my tailwheel spring assemblies from ACS that will allow me to hook the tailwheel up to the control line with springs. This seemed better to me than a direct connection, so I will let everyone know how it works out. If I work like crazy next weekend, you should hear about the first live taxi tests for N541RY, The canopy latch should be done by then, and I think it would be safe to terrorize the ramp area with a rogue KR. -- Regards Ross -- Ross Youngblood Pager: (800)SKY-PAGE PIN#895-9073 Staff Technical Specialist voicemail: (800)538-6838 x 1632 Schlumberger SABER Bus Line: (541)714-1754 Corvallis,Oregon mailto:rossy@saber.slb.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Re: corvair engines From: E J Spencer Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:54:19 -0500 X-Message-Number: 23 -----Original Message----- From: IanParr@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 5:21 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: corvair engines > My most persistant memory of Corvair engines is that they were known for >See homebuilt aircraft dated nov 83 for corvair in a kr-2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: decals From: William Zorc <73101.157@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:08:20 -0400 X-Message-Number: 24 Ross, I'll go from lurker to writing.... You can purchase water-slide decal paper from many hobby shops that cater to the model train guys, then print anything you can scan or draw on it. If using an ink-jet printer, you will have to protect the printed item, as water will dissolve the ink-jet ink. (Myself, I use an ALPS MD-1000 printer, its output is waterproof) This might be the way to go to get professional-looking instrument panel lettering also. Sincerely, Bill Zorc KR-2 80% finished, 50% to go.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR Flyin Sept. From: "RONALD R. EASON" Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:55:06 -0500 X-Message-Number: 25 Who would I contact to set-up a table at the KR Flyin for demo's.? KRRON ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Re: Corvair sites From: "Tom Cummings" Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:59:35 -0500 X-Message-Number: 26 The Corvair conversion will weigh 210 pounds without an electrical starter system. (225 pounds with it). It would have a noticable effect on a KR's weight and balance in my opinion. The Corvair engine is 30 inches long and 28 inches wide in the aircraft configuration. The prop hub is usually put on the flywheel end of the engine and a cradle mouunt is the most popular. They have been sucessfully used in larger aircraft like a Pietenpol. A couple have been used in Wittman Tailwinds. Tom L. Cummings ---------- > From: IanParr@aol.com > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Corvair sites > Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 5:08 PM > > None of these are good. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ianparr@aol.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (rly-ya01.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.193]) > by air-ya05.mx.aol.com (v58.11) with SMTP; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:24:35 -0500 > Received: from lyris.teleport.com (lyris.teleport.com [192.108.254.49]) > by rly-ya01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with SMTP id DAA04908 for ; > Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:24:32 -0500 (EST) > From: Tlongcrier@aol.com > Message-ID: > > Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:20:16 EST > To: "KR-net users group" > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Corvair sites > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > List-Unsubscribe: > List-Software: Lyris Server version 3.0 > List-Subscribe: > List-Owner: > X-URL: > X-List-Host: Telelists List Hosting Services > Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > X-Message-Id: > Sender: bounce-kr-net-56007@telelists.com > Precedence: bulk > X-disclaimer: KR-net assumes no responsibility for the information posted on > this list > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomlc@communique.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Re: Corvair sites From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:25:00 -0700 X-Message-Number: 27 Tom Cummings wrote: > > The Corvair conversion will weigh 210 pounds without an electrical starter system. (225 pounds with it). It would have a noticable effect on a KR's weight and balance in my opinion. >>>> On an airplane that is chronically tail heavy the "noticeable effect" would be beneficial without a doubt. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Ailerons almost done! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo CA Give Blood, Play Hockey! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Re: Airfoils From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:29:15 -0700 X-Message-Number: 28 IanParr@aol.com wrote: > > JKM001@aol.com wrote: > > I was wondering if any of you know whicj airfoil the Taylorcraft uses. Any help would be appreciated.>>> > > They used a couple of different ones depending on year and model. What model and or year are you talking about? >>>>>>> Mr IanParr, what's with the forwarding of all the old post? -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Ailerons almost done! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo CA Give Blood, Play Hockey! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Re: Corvair sites From: "Tom Cummings" Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:37:29 -0500 X-Message-Number: 29 Hi Mike, Thanks, since I don't have a KR yet have always liked them. Your observation of the weight and balance condition sounds favorable as I am looking for an attractive aircraft to put a Corvair engine in. Since you are working on a KR, can you tell me the firewall forward length? Or the length of the KR cowl? Again, the dimensions of the Corvair engine are 30"Lx28"W. Tom Cummings ---------- > From: Mike Mims > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Re: Corvair sites > Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 7:25 PM > > Tom Cummings wrote: > > > > The Corvair conversion will weigh 210 pounds without an electrical starter system. (225 pounds with it). It would have a noticable effect on a KR's weight and balance in my opinion. >>>> > > On an airplane that is chronically tail heavy the "noticeable effect" > would be beneficial without a doubt. > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > Ailerons almost done! > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > Aliso Viejo CA > Give Blood, Play Hockey! > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomlc@communique.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Re: Corvair sites From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:06:39 -0700 X-Message-Number: 30 Tom Cummings wrote: > >Since you are working on a KR, can you tell me the firewall forward length? Or the length of the KR cowl? Again, the dimensions of the Corvair engine are 30"Lx28"W. > Tom Cummings I had to build my cowling from scratch as there was no possible way to make the standard cowling fit my engine. Maybe someone out there can measure their cowling for you or better yet just build your own to fit your needs. The cowling making process was much easier than I thought it would be. Also be aware that there are several KRs buzzing around with the Corvair motor installed. It seems to work great in the short KR so I don't see any reason it wouldn't work in a KR2S. Hey lets just change the names of the KRs to Long KR or Short KR! :o) Mike "Long (and fat) KR" Mims -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Ailerons almost done! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ Aliso Viejo CA Give Blood, Play Hockey! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR Flyin Sept. From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:17:32 -0400 X-Message-Number: 31 I would if I get my plane flying and the time flown off R. W. Moore -----Original Message----- From: RONALD R. EASON To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 7:59 PM Subject: [kr-net] KR Flyin Sept. >Who would I contact to set-up a table at the KR Flyin for demo's.? > >KRRON > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: [kr-net]stall speed From: Tom Crawford Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:03:05 -0700 X-Message-Number: 32 Wayne DeLisle Sr. wrote: > > At 12:11 AM 4/22/99 -0700, you wrote: > >NFCKR3@aol.com wrote: > > > >> PS At the forum in Lakeland a fellow stated that he had a 645 pound KR that stalled at 36 mph. I tested mine and at 606 pounds I can't do better that 60 mph! What speeds are some of you getting?? > >> > > > >Well maybe he only weighed 120 pounds and that was with little fuel and > >with power on? I have a hard time believing that one but you never > >know. Maybe he has a magic airspeed indicator! I know in this > >eXperimental aviation world we live, there are such things. I once saw > >a magical set of scales that said a Subaru engine only weighed 180 > >pounds (with redrive) so I guess anything is possible. :o) > > > >Not only that your airspeed error at that slow of an airspeed (or his) > >may be very large. Also what is considered a stall to you may not be a > >stall to him. Maybe you are talking about a large sink rate and he is > >talking about a nice clean break? From what I have heard it is possible > >to stall them as slow as 40 to 45 mph under the right conditions. To > >many particulars involved to worry about this kind of comparison though. > >Can you get in and out of 500 feet solo? If so then you have nothing to > >worry about. > > The fellow was Tom Crawford and he claims 38MPH true stall speed and > has a good argument to back it up. It does seem awfully slow and yes, > there are others that say they can't much better then 60MPH stall, but > Not being a KR flyer, I can't judge. > > Tom is a really nice person and I'll have to believe what he says. One thing > about Tom's KR2, it is very carefully built and very clean. I would be > willing to bet that it is just as carefully rigged, and that may very well be > the difference, also, he has the Diehl wings and I have to believe that they > contribute to his performance as well. > > For those of you who haven't seen Toms KR2, you should make every > effort to do so. > > WD > -------------------------------------------- > Yep, 38 MPH indicated. That's when the full stall occurs- when the nose drops. Have to say tho, it drops real gentle like, then recovers on it's own. Much more gentle than a C150. If you can look up the old Kitplanes issue with the article about Roy Marsh's old plane, it states it stalled at 40 MPH with 2 up- near gross, I beleive. I dont think it's that unusual. Next time I fly, I will do the 4-way average thing with the GPS and let you know the results. Tom Crawford toys@atlantic.net tomc@afn.org Gainesville, FL N262TC ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Intergrated Cabin and Carb Heater Manifold From: "RONALD R. EASON" Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:56:16 -0500 X-Message-Number: 33 I Have designed a "Intergrated Cabin and Carb Heater Manifold" which attaches to the fire wall. It's made of Sheet aluminum and can be very easy to fab with a break, it includes 2 splitter dampers. It eliminates a nose intake in the cowling and alot of the hosing running inside the engine compartment. It uses NASA intakes in side of cowling just in front of the fire wall. I have fab drawings if anyone wants to see how its done. E-mail me and I will send them. I got thr idea from the Jaberu engine setup and its similar to it. KRRon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Intergrated Cabin and Carb Heater Manifold From: MARVIN MCCOY Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 09:06:00 -0700 X-Message-Number: 34 ------------------- Ronald: I would like very much to look at your drawings. Perhaps someone with a web site would be kind enough to post them.?? -------------------------- RONALD R. EASON wrote: > > I Have designed a "Intergrated Cabin and Carb Heater Manifold" which > attaches to the fire wall. It's made of Sheet aluminum and can be very easy > to fab I have fab drawings if anyone wants to see how its done. --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com