From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 12:12 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: May 31, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Monday, May 31, 1999. 1. Re: Countersink in aluminum? 2. Tools (was Countersink in aluminum?) 3. Re: Tools (was Countersink in aluminum?) 4. Re: KR2 FOR SALE 5. Re: Countersink in aluminum? 6. Re: Countersink in aluminum? 7. Re: Plans/Projects for sale??? 8. More Photos of Retract Gears. 9. Re: Plans/Projects for sale??? 10. Come on, come all! 11. Re: Plans/Projects for sale??? 12. out of the closet... 13. Re: out of the closet... 14. Weekend Progress 15. Trailing edge reinforcement 16. Aluminum Seat Slings 17. Re: Aluminum Seat Slings 18. Drawings for S 19. Re: out of the closet... 20. Re: out of the closet... 21. Re: Out of the Closet 22. Seat Back Brace 23. Re: Seat Back Brace ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Countersink in aluminum? From: "Richard Parker" Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 05:38:51 PDT X-Message-Number: 1 If you can chuck up a 5/8 end mill in your drill press you can use one You can get end mills through the McMaster Carr catalog or a MSG catalog. If 5/8 is too big for your drill press you can get a bigger chuck. Rich Parker >From: "Dean Collette" >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Countersink in aluminum? >Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:59:52 -0500 > >Machineheads - > >I need to counter sink some bolts and washers into aluminum so that the >bolt >head will be close to flush with the aluminum surface. The aluminum is >thick >enough - that's sure not a problem, but the holes need to have a flat >bottom >to accommodate the bolt heads and the washers. I know that I can haul this >down to the local machine shop and get it done (for an arm and a leg) but I >was wonder if there was a decent way to do this on my drill press. A >forstner bit would be perfect, but I was told that these won't work on >aluminum. These holes need to be about 5/8" in diameter and 1/4" or so >deep. > >Anybody know how to do this one? > >Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin >mailto:drdean@execpc.com >Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Tools (was Countersink in aluminum?) From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 07:44:05 -0700 X-Message-Number: 2 I realize that Harbor Freight sells cheep stuff but if you need a tool for one time use what more could you ask for? They have a web site at: http://www.harborfreight.com/ -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Tools (was Countersink in aluminum?) From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 07:53:41 -0700 X-Message-Number: 3 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/taf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=5947 -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2 FOR SALE From: "Michael Coultas" Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 10:16:35 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4 Hi Rod , my name is Mike and saw your add for your KR2 do you have a list compiled on it and a pic or two you could email back.... Thanks.. Mike coultas -----Original Message----- From: Rod Kelso To: KR-net users group Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 11:05 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: KR2 FOR SALE > > >---------- >> From: Rod Kelso >> To: KR-net users group >> Subject: [kr-net] KR2 FOR SALE >> Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 6:22 PM >> >> For personal reasons I am going to sell my KR2. If anyone is interested >> e-mail me privatley and I will tell you all about it. ASKING 2500$. No >> engine and about 50% finished. It also has Mooney Might retract gear, and >> is a tail dragger. Complete set of plans with serial number. Also has >wing >> tanks started, and a fuel tank aft of seats. >> >> Rod Kelso >> Denver, Colorado USA......................................:o)) >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rbk@orci.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >> > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: grmnplt@adams.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Countersink in aluminum? From: "Dean Collette" Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 10:36:28 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 Thanks for all the great ideas to solve this little problem. I did try to the forstner bit (just because it was handy) and no, that won't get it. It does a beautiful job in wood, though. A spade bit? I won't even try that - besides, it wouldn't make a flat bottomed hole (there are little ends that stick down on the edges.) I think the end mill is the way to go, but the 5/8" bit won't fit my chuck, so I have to figure out something - yeah, maybe a new chuck. The counterbore sounds interesting, but I have never seen one. Expensive? Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Countersink in aluminum? From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:47:50 EDT X-Message-Number: 6 In a message dated 99-05-29 14:52:40 EDT, you write: << Machineheads- I need to counter sink some bolts and washers into aluminum so that the bolt head will be close to flush with the aluminum surface. The aluminum is thick enough - that's sure not a problem, but the holes need to have a flat bottom to accommodate the bolt heads and the washers. I know that I can haul this down to the local machine shop and get it done (for an arm and a leg) but I was wonder if there was a decent way to do this on my drill press. A forstner bit would be perfect, but I was told that these won't work on aluminum. These holes need to be about 5/8" in diameter and 1/4" or so deep. Anybody know how to do this one? >> Sorry to correct you Dr. Dean but the operation you have specified is generally known as counter boring. Countersink is for conical head screws. I hope you do not mind. You should be able to buy a counter bore for the exact operation for about 25-30 dollars that will do the job right. But you should look into an 5/8" (I presume that is the outer dia) end mill. What you need is the type that is called 'center or plunge cutting". This type of mill has cutting surfaces and could be used for the blind holes with right angle sides. You can drill the smaller hole with a regular drill. a 5/8 single end, end mill should run you about 10-15 dollars. You can slightly grind the corners to get rounded sides for stress relief purpose (You can buy end mill that are already that way.) All pices quoted are from McMaster Carr catalog and shank dia for mills is usually 3/8" or 1/2" so your drill press should be able to handle it. Regards Haris Ashraf ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plans/Projects for sale??? From: scott sterling <"scott29@ee.net"@ee.net> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 14:25:09 -0700 X-Message-Number: 7 Steve Glover wrote: > > It there anyplace which has a listing for projects or plans for sale??? > > Thanks! > > Steve > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: scott29@ee.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com I have a project for sale it's a kr-2 1,000.00 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: More Photos of Retract Gears. From: "RONALD R. EASON" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:42:36 -0500 X-Message-Number: 8 I just added more photos of retract gears for those who wanted them. KRRon www.freeyellow.com/members6/krron/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plans/Projects for sale??? From: FLYKR2S@aol.com Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 15:51:40 EDT X-Message-Number: 9 Steve, your best bet is the monthly KR Newsletter. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI flykr2s@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Come on, come all! From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 17:51:29 EDT X-Message-Number: 10 Just a reminder that there will be a mini-fly-in this coming Sat at West Texas airport,(TX04) (thats zero). Bob Muse and Jeff Scott said they are going to do their best to be there. Anyone else interested? Oh yes Don Clarke will be there also. So that he is a flyin participant he will take off from one end of the runway and fly cross country back to the runway and land. My home number is 915-755-0588 and the airport number is 915-852-3554. The freq is 123.0 Unicom. Left approach to 26 and right to 8. Hope to see some of you out there in KR land. Don Clarke ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plans/Projects for sale??? From: SClay10106@aol.com Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:22:01 EDT X-Message-Number: 11 try this sight they may be others but this one is good..... http://www.barnstormers.com/hbkr0000.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: out of the closet... From: "Mark Langford" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:34:50 -0500 X-Message-Number: 12 KRNetHeads, I have a confession to make. I have AACS. That's right. Me. I've been suffering from the heartbreak of Aversion to Aircraft Construction Syndrome! For the last year I've been making the feeble excuse that 13 hour-a-day, 7 day work weeks have been keeping me from working on my plane. It seems that all I wanted to do when I got home at 9:30 every night was to sit back in my favorite chair and drink a cool one, followed by a quick check of the KRNet email for the day. And whenever I DID have a spare minute, I actually rationalized that fixing the car, reading the mail, or whatever, was more important than working on the plane. No sympathy please. it's all behind me now. In their infinite wisdom, the great powers decided that since the project I'm working on is only worth $200 million in sales, and is only 3 weeks behind and half a mil over budget (we TOLD them it would cost more, but they wouldn't believe us), they have decided to "shoot the engineers" and eliminate PAID overtime on this job. How do I spell relief? 8HOURSADAY! In short, I'm back with you, buds, and managed 20 hours this weekend! I'm knee deep in flap and aileron construction, and just finished a very satisfying layup of carbon fiber on the bottom of my aileron. Of course, I'm doing it a little differently, as I'm building flaps and ailerons BEFORE the rest of the wing. You guys wouldn't respect me if I did it by the plans would you? I'm taking lots of pictures, and will update the web site when I finish the flaps and ailerons. Four things I remembered that I should remind you of: 1) Use runny micro under all layups. Pure epoxy is way too heavy. That would be the definition of "excess epoxy". I hogged out the trailing edge of the flap and approached the outer surface from inside, and was surprised to see all this white stuff between me and the carbon fiber. Micro! That proved to me that micro penetrates quite a ways into the foam, and it would be heavy epoxy otherwise. 2) Don't forget to jig your wings such that the incidence can't change while laying up your wings, ailerons, or flaps. It only takes a small amount of weight back at the "weak" aft spar to twist the wing out of whack, and after the glass cures, you're stuck with it. 3) Don't forget to reinforce the trailing edges of elevator, ailerons, and flaps with flox and maybe an extra tape or two. 4) Number four escapes me at the moment, but maybe after another beer.... It's good to be back!!!! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: out of the closet... From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:09:25 -0400 X-Message-Number: 13 Mark, Thank goodness you said that, I thought I was suffering from AACS alone. It's like procrastination, but more insidious and frustrating. My employer too, recently converted me to an exempt position and so I have some time for building. Today I epoxied the forward floor inside the fuse, drilled my control stick mounting holes and drilled the holes through the Diehle gear and the center spar. Now I am ready to glue in my center spar and get it on the gear. Things go much faster once you start to do them :) -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 9:40 PM Subject: [kr-net] out of the closet... >KRNetHeads, > >I have a confession to make. I have AACS. That's right. Me. I've been >suffering from the heartbreak of Aversion to Aircraft Construction Syndrome! >For the last year I've been making the feeble excuse that 13 hour-a-day, 7 >day work weeks have been keeping me from working on my plane. It seems that >all I wanted to do when I got home at 9:30 every night was to sit back in my >favorite chair and drink a cool one, followed by a quick check of the KRNet >email for the day. And whenever I DID have a spare minute, I actually >rationalized that fixing the car, reading the mail, or whatever, was more >important than working on the plane. > >No sympathy please. it's all behind me now. In their infinite wisdom, the >great powers decided that since the project I'm working on is only worth >$200 million in sales, and is only 3 weeks behind and half a mil over budget >(we TOLD them it would cost more, but they wouldn't believe us), they have >decided to "shoot the engineers" and eliminate PAID overtime on this job. >How do I spell relief? 8HOURSADAY! > >In short, I'm back with you, buds, and managed 20 hours this weekend! I'm >knee deep in flap and aileron construction, and just finished a very >satisfying layup of carbon fiber on the bottom of my aileron. Of course, >I'm doing it a little differently, as I'm building flaps and ailerons BEFORE >the rest of the wing. You guys wouldn't respect me if I did it by the plans >would you? I'm taking lots of pictures, and will update the web site when I >finish the flaps and ailerons. > >Four things I remembered that I should remind you of: 1) Use runny micro >under all layups. Pure epoxy is way too heavy. That would be the >definition of "excess epoxy". I hogged out the trailing edge of the flap >and approached the outer surface from inside, and was surprised to see all >this white stuff between me and the carbon fiber. Micro! That proved to me >that micro penetrates quite a ways into the foam, and it would be heavy >epoxy otherwise. 2) Don't forget to jig your wings such that the incidence >can't change while laying up your wings, ailerons, or flaps. It only takes >a small amount of weight back at the "weak" aft spar to twist the wing out >of whack, and after the glass cures, you're stuck with it. 3) Don't forget >to reinforce the trailing edges of elevator, ailerons, and flaps with flox >and maybe an extra tape or two. 4) Number four escapes me at the moment, >but maybe after another beer.... > >It's good to be back!!!! > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomkr2s@t-three.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Weekend Progress From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 19:39:11 -0700 X-Message-Number: 14 You know I sent this out this AM but I think it may have went the way of the bucket! If it comes back twice I apologize! Happy Memorial Day to the Vets! Especially to Marine Air Group 31, VMFA 451 and 333! F-4 Phantom II forever, Oooh,....Rahhh... Well sports fans there was some progress to report for this weekend. First thing was to make new sling seats. As some of you know the first sling seat I got from RR failed because it was sewn together incorrectly. Well the second one failed so I decided enough of that non-sense! I made a new sling for the driver side out of aluminum. Larry Rhea's KR2 has aluminum slings and they seem to work well. Best of all they are VERY light compared to other methods that came to mind. I never heard this before but someone who was visiting my hanger yesterday said that a few years ago here in California that a seat failure was the cause of a KR accident. Seems the seat failed and the pilots weight on the controls was enough to make it un-controllable. Again this may be just another of the many nasty stories spread throughout the eXperimental world concerning the KR. (IE BS) On the aileron front I finished up closing out the ends of the ailerons on Saturday. I mounted the ailerons and floxed up the gaps on each end. Sunday morning the flox was still a little soft yet so I worked on the canopy door. All the glass work on that buger is now COMPLETE with only mounting, filling and sanding to go. Later in the afternoon the flox on the ends of the ailerons was hard enough to work with. I made the gaps about 3/16 of an inch. I had planed to mix up a larger batch of SuperFil yesterday afternoon but I just plain ran out of steam. Its looking very much like the airplane should be filled, sanded and primed in the next two weeks. My oil rings have not come in yet so the engine is just sitting in the garage on its mount. That's OK because I need another week or two to get the firewall mounted and route all the wires, cables, and fuel lines. Before I left the hanger yesterday I took a good long look at the Pig and man I am getting close! -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Trailing edge reinforcement From: Ron Lee Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:40:36 -0600 X-Message-Number: 15 3) Don't forget >to reinforce the trailing edges of elevator, ailerons, and flaps with flox >and maybe an extra tape or two. I am going to disagree to get more discussion out of this. Flox is structural and probably heavy and hard to sand. Trailing edges should have the proper amount of glass to glass contact (see plans but I would guess about .75"). If you need additional strength maybe more glass. Whatever you do should be done with control surface balancing in mind as well. Ron Lee ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Aluminum Seat Slings From: Ron Lee Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:00:14 -0600 X-Message-Number: 16 >First thing was to make new sling seats. As some of you know the first >sling seat I got from RR failed because it was sewn together >incorrectly. Well the second one failed so I decided enough of that >non-sense! I made a new sling for the driver side out of aluminum. >Larry Rhea's KR2 has aluminum slings and they seem to work well. Best of >all they are VERY light compared to other methods that came to mind. Can you provide more details on construction. I am trying to get motivated to make fiberglass seat slings because I can work with it but am open to aluminum. Ron Lee ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Aluminum Seat Slings From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:20:44 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 Ron Lee wrote: > > Can you provide more details on construction. I am trying to get > motivated to make fiberglass seat slings because I can work with it but > am open to aluminum. > I will have to take some pictures but its basically identical to the sling seat just that its made out of aluminum sheet. I made it so that there is a loop (wrapped the aluminum around and riveted it to itself) on the aft end for the aluminum tube to slide through and the front is held in place by using screws that are screwed down through a 1/8 aluminum strap, then through the aluminum sling and into the top spar cap. As I said its pretty much as plans but made from aluminum sheet. I don't remember off hand what thickness or type of aluminum but I will check next time I am at the airport. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Drawings for S From: JamesMcG@aol.com Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:27:52 EDT X-Message-Number: 18 In my Drawing package for the 2S I got 5 sheets. Two titled Drawing A, one sheet W1, one sheet W2 and one sheet W3. Can anyone tell me if I should have another sheet or did I just get an extera copy of Drawing A Jim McGillicuddy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: out of the closet... From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:35:40 -0400 X-Message-Number: 19 Mark. I tried putting a tapered piece of balsa wood in the trailing edge. Got it from the hobby shop. It absorbs enough epoxy to make it hard and gives a nice even edge. Heck I'm retired and can't find enough time to work on the plane. Had more spare time when I was working. It's better than being bored. W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: Mark Langford > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] out of the closet... > Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 9:34 PM > > KRNetHeads, > > I have a confession to make. I have AACS. That's right. Me. I've been > suffering from the heartbreak of Aversion to Aircraft Construction Syndrome! > For the last year I've been making the feeble excuse that 13 hour-a-day, 7 > day work weeks have been keeping me from working on my plane. It seems that > all I wanted to do when I got home at 9:30 every night was to sit back in my > favorite chair and drink a cool one, followed by a quick check of the KRNet > email for the day. And whenever I DID have a spare minute, I actually > rationalized that fixing the car, reading the mail, or whatever, was more > important than working on the plane. > > No sympathy please. it's all behind me now. In their infinite wisdom, the > great powers decided that since the project I'm working on is only worth > $200 million in sales, and is only 3 weeks behind and half a mil over budget > (we TOLD them it would cost more, but they wouldn't believe us), they have > decided to "shoot the engineers" and eliminate PAID overtime on this job. > How do I spell relief? 8HOURSADAY! > > In short, I'm back with you, buds, and managed 20 hours this weekend! I'm > knee deep in flap and aileron construction, and just finished a very > satisfying layup of carbon fiber on the bottom of my aileron. Of course, > I'm doing it a little differently, as I'm building flaps and ailerons BEFORE > the rest of the wing. You guys wouldn't respect me if I did it by the plans > would you? I'm taking lots of pictures, and will update the web site when I > finish the flaps and ailerons. > > Four things I remembered that I should remind you of: 1) Use runny micro > under all layups. Pure epoxy is way too heavy. That would be the > definition of "excess epoxy". I hogged out the trailing edge of the flap > and approached the outer surface from inside, and was surprised to see all > this white stuff between me and the carbon fiber. Micro! That proved to me > that micro penetrates quite a ways into the foam, and it would be heavy > epoxy otherwise. 2) Don't forget to jig your wings such that the incidence > can't change while laying up your wings, ailerons, or flaps. It only takes > a small amount of weight back at the "weak" aft spar to twist the wing out > of whack, and after the glass cures, you're stuck with it. 3) Don't forget > to reinforce the trailing edges of elevator, ailerons, and flaps with flox > and maybe an extra tape or two. 4) Number four escapes me at the moment, > but maybe after another beer.... > > It's good to be back!!!! > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: out of the closet... From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:58:36 -0700 X-Message-Number: 20 "w.g. kirkland" wrote: > > Mark. I tried putting a tapered piece of balsa wood in the trailing edge. > Good idea! Everybody keep in mind there is more than one way to skin a cat! I guess the best in this case would be what ever works to create a nice straight, light and tough trailing edge. You can see how various composite plans suggest trailing edges be made at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/w31.jpg Since you have to add weight to balance for any weight added to the trailing edge "light" may be a big consideration. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Out of the Closet From: Michael Taglieri Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 00:36:08 EDT X-Message-Number: 21 >In their infinite wisdom, the great powers decided that since the project I'm >working on is only worth $200 million in sales, and is only 3 weeks behind >and half a mil over budget (we TOLD them it would cost more, but they wouldn't >believe us), they have decided to "shoot the engineers" and eliminate PAID >overtime on this job. How do I spell relief? 8HOURSADAY! Are you sure this is what the powers mean? Maybe eliminating PAID overtime means they want you to work 13 hours a day for 8 hours' pay. Mike Taglieri _____________________________________________ "Fundamentally the marksman aims at himself." - from Zen And the Art of Archery ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Seat Back Brace From: "T.Flemming" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:37:14 -0500 X-Message-Number: 22 Does the seat back brace that is made from 3/32 ply and attaches across the top of the longerons extend beyond Station I, so to make the floor of the baggage compartment and if so how far? If not than, I assume fiberglass makes this area and covers the 3/32 ply brace. Also, do the plans mention the dimensions for the elevator control horn anywhere. I can't seem to find that page. Thanks, Trent & Kellie Flemming KR-2S Longview, TX tflemming@texramp.net www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Seat Back Brace From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:49:39 -0700 X-Message-Number: 23 "T.Flemming" wrote: > > Does the seat back brace that is made from 3/32 ply and attaches across the > top of the longerons extend beyond Station I, so to make the floor of the > baggage compartment and if so how far? By the plans I think that shear web is only supposed to go back 4 or 5 inches (see page 44) but I made mine go all the way back to the second vertical members. My "baggage compartment floor" is about 2 feet deep starting at the point where the seat back meets the top longeron. See: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/f17.jpg > > Also, do the plans mention the dimensions for the elevator control horn > anywhere. I can't seem to find that page. > The elevator horn rudder horn and the tailwheel horn are the same, see page 41 and on the bottom drawing on page 46 is where it says its the same. If your building a nose wheel airplane I don't know what you are going to do?!? :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com