From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 12:16 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: May 26, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Wednesday, May 26, 1999. 1. Re: 2. Re: 3. RE: COZY: Weight and Balance... (fwd) 4. subaru starter 5. Re: subaru starter 6. Re: subaru starter 7. Re: alternative Wood selection 8. Re: Water level??? 9. Re: subaru starter 10. Re: subaru starter 11. Re: alternative Wood selection 12. Re: alternative Wood selection 13. Changes 14. Weight and Balance... 15. Re: alternative Wood selection 16. Site update, need help 17. C90 contintal engine 18. Re: Water level??? 19. Re: Water level??? 20. (no subject) 21. Oontinental C90 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: From: "Richard Parker" Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 03:03:52 PDT X-Message-Number: 1 >I agree with Bob on that idea. Get the Subaru starter setup. You can also >get >the right starter from autoparts stores, junk yards etc. A brand new one is only $70. RP _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:03:46 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 At 03:03 AM 5/26/99 PDT, you wrote: > > >>I agree with Bob on that idea. Get the Subaru starter setup. You can also >>get >>the right starter from autoparts stores, junk yards etc. > >A brand new one is only $70. Do you know which one to get? WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net (new address) mailto:dodger@coincidental.net (old address) http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: COZY: Weight and Balance... (fwd) From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 00:29:10 -0300 X-Message-Number: 3 ----- Asunto: [kr-net] COZY: Weight and Balance... (fwd) > If any of you know someone with a KR-2, could you find out where the >reference datum is and the cg range. Steven From the old KR2 manual: "C.G. RANGE IS 15% TO 40% OF WING CHORD (8创 TO 19创 FROM LEADIG EDGE) STATIONS 54 TO 65" (The reference -datum- is the propeller) Later, KR people agree in -2创 of aft reference, or 8创 to 17创 from leading edge for safety. (If I can I磍l send you a copy of page 61 of the KR2 manual) Eduardo > Thanks. > >dd > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: emiglesias@cpenet.com.ar >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: subaru starter From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:51:56 -0400 X-Message-Number: 4 3rd. try to get this msg through. For some reason, Lyris don't like me today. At 03:03 AM 5/26/99 PDT, you wrote: > > >>I agree with Bob on that idea. Get the Subaru starter setup. You can also >>get >>the right starter from autoparts stores, junk yards etc. > >A brand new one is only $70. Do you know which one to get? WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net (new address) mailto:dodger@coincidental.net (old address) http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: subaru starter From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:57:32 EDT X-Message-Number: 5 All I know is it is the same one that came with the 1984 Subaru EA 81 engine I had gotten. I am selling the engine but will keep the starter as a spare. Don ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: subaru starter From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:13:27 -0400 X-Message-Number: 6 At 09:57 AM 5/26/99 EDT, you wrote: >All I know is it is the same one that came with the 1984 Subaru EA 81 engine >I had gotten. I am selling the engine but will keep the starter as a spare. >Don Sounds good, that shouldn't be hard to track down. Thanks, WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net (new address) mailto:dodger@coincidental.net (old address) http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: alternative Wood selection From: "George P. Bell" Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:40:23 -0700 X-Message-Number: 7 SPAR LUMBER CO INC 1325 HARBOR AVE LONG BEACH, CA 90813-2739 562-436-9285 Mike Mims wrote: > GREG S MARTIN wrote: > > > > Wendy > > > > This is very important as I was only thinking of moisture and splitting. You may have to get kilin dryed just to remove the oils. > > > > Wendy,.. Spar lumber in Long Beach has killer clear fur. I don't have > their number handy but if you don't plan to use spruce that's your best > bet around here. I think maybe Buster AKA George Bell > may have their number. Maybe he will post it. > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > Ailerons almost done! > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > http://members.home.com/mikemims/ > Aliso Viejo CA > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: gpbell@jps.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Water level??? From: cartera Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:32:36 -0600 X-Message-Number: 8 Totryroma@aol.com wrote: > > Surface tension can be reduced by many chemicals. One of the best is any > detergent, course the bad side effect it can foam up. Most alcohols are okay > in any proportions. Remember to "read" the bottom of the meniscus (curve). > Suggestion -- use the blue auto window wash solutions. They have alcohol, > are rather inert, are cheap and are colored. > > (Also don't drink it -- Methanol is hazardous to your inner health ;>) ) > > Ron Macomber > South Sioux City, NE > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cartera@cuug.ab.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com There you go, I knew there were real smart builders out there. Just got a reject notice from Lyris for my message I sent yesterday, so am sending it again. Sorry for taking up bandwidth if it got to the kr-net. -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: subaru starter From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:57:32 EDT X-Message-Number: 9 All I know is it is the same one that came with the 1984 Subaru EA 81 engine I had gotten. I am selling the engine but will keep the starter as a spare. Don --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: boer.reinders@hetnet.nl To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: subaru starter From: Warron Gray Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:35:49 -0400 X-Message-Number: 10 In case anyone wants to listen to me there were 2 types of starters offered for the e-81 soobs one was for the automatic and one was for the manual trans both fit the housings but the manual trans starter was the lighter of the two.Warron ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: alternative Wood selection From: "Dean Collette" Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:11:58 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11 > > > This is very important as I was only thinking of moisture and splitting. You may have to get kilin dryed just to remove the oils. Kiln drying will remove the water, not the oil. In fact, the relative content of oil is higher (since the water is gone.) I have read the same thing on Redwood and Cedar use - namely, that the natural resins will break down the integrity of the epoxy over time. In fact, that is why they are so popular for Deck and Patio use - it's the resins that make them more "naturally" weather and bug proof. Dealers will look for wood with a high content of these resins, because they work so well for your deck. If you are really bent on using something other then Sitka - think Doug fir. A little heavier, but at least you won't have to worry about the epoxy. Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: alternative Wood selection From: GREG S MARTIN Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:21:37 -0700 X-Message-Number: 12 DEAN I really appreciate your input. This is Greg and I have not seen the information from which you refer. I'm sure Wendy will feel the same. Never the less. I'm real happy to see that the net works. Because if he had listened just to me. Well, I think you know what I'm saying. By the way Dean. What information did you get that from. I've generally used the UBC and I guess the oil content is not a consideration to ICBO. Guys, this is just the thing we are all together for. Happy building and/or flying. Greg Martin Bakersfield, CA On Wed, 26 May 1999 22:11:58 -0500 "Dean Collette" writes: >> > > This is very important as I was only thinking of moisture and >splitting. You may have to get kilin dryed just to remove the oils. > >Kiln drying will remove the water, not the oil. In fact, the relative >content of oil is higher (since the water is gone.) > >I have read the same thing on Redwood and Cedar use - namely, that >the >natural resins will break down the integrity of the epoxy over time. >In >fact, that is why they are so popular for Deck and Patio use - it's >the >resins that make them more "naturally" weather and bug proof. Dealers >will >look for wood with a high content of these resins, because they work >so well >for your deck. If you are really bent on using something other then >Sitka - >think Doug fir. A little heavier, but at least you won't have to worry >about >the epoxy. > >Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin >mailto:drdean@execpc.com >Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: idrawtobuild@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Changes From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:53:53 -0700 X-Message-Number: 13 Yall really need to get on over and read those articles on Dons site. Especially the ones at: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Kr93-1.HTM and http://users.erols.com/donreid/Kr90-2.HTM They really make me feel good about the things I have changed on my bird! Seems that I share a lot of the same opinions these two guys have. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Ailerons almost done! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Weight and Balance... From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:20:15 -0700 X-Message-Number: 14 Eduardo Iglesias wrote: > >From the old KR2 manual: "C.G. RANGE IS 15% TO 40% OF WING CHORD (8创 TO 19创 FROM LEADIG EDGE) STATIONS 54 TO 65" >>>> Not that the person who originally wanted this info is gonna get it but my plans say 15 to 35% which works out to 7.2 to 16.8 inches aft of the inboard wing leading edge. Of which the last two should be used with caution (no the plans don't say that I do). So a normal range of 7.2 to 14.8 inches is sure different than 8 to 19 inches. I personally decided that 15% to 30% is a good starting point. The plans also state that a tail wheel version my need weight added to the tail when in the level position to keep it from tipping over on its nose. So if your plane has substantial weight on the tail wheel when its sitting level that could be a good indication that your plane is too tail heavy to begin with. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: alternative Wood selection From: "Dean Collette" Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:46:55 -0500 X-Message-Number: 15 Greg, It has been a long time since I researched the wood and epoxy stuff. I'll try to look around here to see if I have the reference, but I think it came from a FPL publication. In the late 1950s and then in the 60s the Forest Products Laboratory did some fairly extensive testing of various glues and their use on wood products. In the later years this was almost extensively done with epoxy type products. They tested everything from strength and durability to flammability. I ran across a book full of FPL publications at the EAA library in Oshkosh. If I recall things correctly - that is where the info came from. The short story is that I initially looked at alternative wood as well, but after doing a bunch of reading on the subject, I found that it was much easier to just buy "aircraft grade" spruce then anything else. Yep, it costs you a bit more - make that a bunch more, but for your hard earned dollars you also have the piece of mind that the wood you use is adequate. If I am going to hang my butt on a hunk of lumbar - it better be good. I still inspect every piece I get (as we all know.) Doug Fir is a bit stiffer, it has a 23% higher modulus of rupture, and a 39% higher compressive strength then spruce, but it also 28% heavier by weight. What does all this mean in a KR - not much. The problem is, nobody offers "aircraft grade" Doug fir. So you are stuck with the job of making sure that the ring count, grain slope, knots, pitch pockets, bark pockets, moisture content, etc., are all within specs. And, after all of that, you have to mill it. For me, it wasn't worth the hassle, but you will save a few bucks. Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: GREG S MARTIN To: KR-net users group Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 10:21 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: alternative Wood selection > DEAN > > I really appreciate your input. This is Greg and I have not seen the > information from which you refer. I'm sure Wendy will feel the same. > > Never the less. I'm real happy to see that the net works. Because if he > had listened just to me. Well, I think you know what I'm saying. > > By the way Dean. What information did you get that from. I've generally > used the UBC and I guess the oil content is not a consideration to ICBO. > > > Guys, this is just the thing we are all together for. > > Happy building and/or flying. > > Greg Martin > Bakersfield, CA > > On Wed, 26 May 1999 22:11:58 -0500 "Dean Collette" > writes: > >> > > This is very important as I was only thinking of moisture and > >splitting. You may have to get kilin dryed just to remove the oils. > > > >Kiln drying will remove the water, not the oil. In fact, the relative > >content of oil is higher (since the water is gone.) > > > >I have read the same thing on Redwood and Cedar use - namely, that > >the > >natural resins will break down the integrity of the epoxy over time. > >In > >fact, that is why they are so popular for Deck and Patio use - it's > >the > >resins that make them more "naturally" weather and bug proof. Dealers > >will > >look for wood with a high content of these resins, because they work > >so well > >for your deck. If you are really bent on using something other then > >Sitka - > >think Doug fir. A little heavier, but at least you won't have to worry > >about > >the epoxy. > > > >Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin > >mailto:drdean@execpc.com > >Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm > > > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: idrawtobuild@juno.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to > >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: drdean@execpc.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Site update, need help From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:19:46 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 As some of you know there is a listing of KR owners and builders that is tied into a map at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/mapframe.html I decided its a good time to update it so if you want your info added or removed please let me know. Make SURE you send me the new info off net, that's directly too mikemims@home.com . Here is an example of the format I need. Peter Hudson 218 N Peg St. Ridgecrest CA 93555 USA peter_hudson@imdgw.chinalake.navy.mil I'm about 1/2 way through building a KR2. (Revmaster 2100D) That's about all you would want to add. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: C90 contintal engine From: "Terry Adair" Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:37:40 X-Message-Number: 17 I have tried unsuccessfully to get some basic questions answered by RR By letter,by fax,by email,"but wait-- there is more",by phone( 4 times ) no answer- left message.No response!!Without this amazing facility I would have given up on a KR project long ago. My questions re a C90 installation---Is an engine mount and a cowling available or will I have to make or modify them? Re wood--I will be using Australian Hoop Pine (aircraft grade and certified) Its density is about the same as douglas fir 18% greater than spruce but 20% stronger. It is marginally heavier,and is available as a plywood as well.Best of all-- I dont have to import it!! Thanks.(my first time on the net) Terry Adair- email "adair@net2000.com.au" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Water level??? From: Michael Taglieri Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 01:48:21 EDT X-Message-Number: 18 >> Surface tension can be reduced by many chemicals. One of the best is any >> detergent, course the bad side effect it can foam up. Most alcohols are okay >> in any proportions. Remember to "read" the bottom of the meniscus (curve). >> Suggestion -- use the blue auto window wash solutions. They have alcohol, >> are rather inert, are cheap and are colored. >> >> (Also don't drink it -- Methanol is hazardous to your inner health >;>) ) Someone on this list once recommended putting red wine in the water, which solves both the surface tension and the coloring problem at once. And unlike the window wash solution, you CAN drink it. . . . Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Water level??? From: Totryroma@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:19:35 EDT X-Message-Number: 19 Wine is fine, but where is your mind ... do you want a level Plane or a level Spine??? That is the question! Ron Macomber South Sioux City, NE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: (no subject) From: Totryroma@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 02:34:50 EDT X-Message-Number: 20 Several have mentioned sending and getting Lyris message saying not forwarding Email. I got one too yesterday, BUT apparently it was posted as I got it and one other KR-neter mentioned my post so it must have gone through. Is "Lyris" mixed up? Ron Macomber South Sioux City, NE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Oontinental C90 From: "Terry Adair" Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:37:44 X-Message-Number: 21 Re my earlier message--Signed off with my email addressT -My apologies. Terry Adair Melbourne Australia --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com