From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Sunday, May 30, 1999 12:13 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: May 29, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Saturday, May 29, 1999. 1. Go Ross Go 2. Re: Lawsuit... 3. Re: Control surface bolt access covers 4. Re: Control surface bolt access covers 5. Countersink in aluminum? 6. Re: Countersink in aluminum? 7. Re: Countersink in aluminum? 8. Re: Countersink in aluminum? 9. Re: Which KR (Which PLANE?!?!) 10. Re: KR2 FOR SALE 11. Re: Countersink in aluminum? 12. Re: Countersink in aluminum? 13. Re: Countersink in aluminum? 14. Re: Warped Ailerons (N541RY) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Go Ross Go From: "Paul W. O'Reilly" Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 07:25:24 -0400 X-Message-Number: 1 It's good to know that someone out there has spent 11 years on their project. I hope to fly next spring as I ONLY have 1 outer wing to build,= a canopy to finish, and a belly board to redesign. All this after only 11 years. See you in the air, Paul ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Lawsuit... From: "Chris Carlo" Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 06:18:47 PDT X-Message-Number: 2 This is sad. If you bankrupt yourself, then reopen again under a new name "New Team"? Make sure this guy gets nothing if you're truly in the right. Good Luck >From: BSHADR@aol.com >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Lawsuit... >Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:14:56 EDT > > >KRNetters: > >A sobering post worth repeating. We all have a duty to understand the >risks >inherent with our pursuits and not seek to blame others for everything that >goes wrong. I do not know the merits of either side in this case, but I do >know this will be a loss to the aviation community. I have a foggy >recollection of prior similar legal actions that have chased most of the >spam-can makers out of our end of the aviation world. > >Please build carefully, fly safely and inform your family of the risks you >are assuming in aviation. > >Randy "Soapbox" Stein >Soviet Monica, CA >Flamesto: BSHADR@aol.com > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >TEAM May 4, 1999 > >To: All TEAM Dealers > >From: Wayne Isom > >Subject: IMPORTANT NOTICE >We need to inform you of very recent developments hear at TEAM. >To explain the situation we find ourselves in, it is necessary to go back 3 >years, when a man in Florida built an AirBike and then crashed it. He >filed a lawsuit, claiming we supplied defective materials. >Although he had a very weak case, it was still necessary to spend big >dollars and much effort in Florida to defend ourselves. >Last year we met in a Florida court and the decision was in our favor. >They found no indication of defective material, that caused the pilot loss >of >control. >The financial expenditure to TEAM was far beyond our expectations and in >fact, we are still in debt to our attorneys for those costs. >Now we have been informed he has re-filed this case, and from all >indications is prepared to do all this again in a bigger way. Our lawyers >have advised >us they feel we can still win again; however, the financial cost this time >will be much greater. This is a "no win" situation for TEAM as we lose big >bucks either way. >Unfortunately, the U.S. judicial system does not protect, or provide a >method for a small business to defend itself against repeated assaults by >anyone, >even though this business has not been found guilty of anything, without >spending vast sums of money. >Our options are few. Financially, we cannot afford to win, and even when >wewin, this may not stop another legal attack. If we do not defend >ourselves, and the case goes to trial, they will automatically win and can >take >everything. It appears our only option is to immediately cease as an >existing business, by filing for bankruptcy, since they are literally >putting >us in this >financial condition. >It is with extreme regret that we find it necessary to do this to our >worldwide network of TEAM Dealers, and their customers. >Hopefully, we may be able to inform you of other sources that will be able >to supply you and your existing customers with material to finish or keep >existing aircraft flying. >With deepest regrets, > >TENNESSEE ENGINEERING & MFG., INC. >by: Wayne Isom, President > >P.S. It is a sad situation when one man can spoil so much for so many. > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kr1b@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Control surface bolt access covers From: Bobby Muse Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:02:22 -0500 X-Message-Number: 3 At 09:04 AM 05/28/1999 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 5/28/99 8:33:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RFG842@aol.com >writes: > ><< After stareing at the rudder access holes, I thought I would use a piece >of > thin alum, notched for the hinges and bent around the leading edge to the > spar on both sides. With a couple of small truss head screws on both sides > it would eliminate some air interuption and cover up the holes. > > Anyone with a better fix?? >> > >Go find your local continuous gutter man and pick up a couple pieces of the >white flat gutter stock. He will give you his trash. Simple cut to size, >cut two slots to your hinge thickness and bend around the area you want to >cover. It forms the perfect contour. You can attach it several different >ways, such as nut plates on the inside. Works great, give it a try. > >Dana Overall Why fix something that's not broken? Aren't you the builder? You built it, you can fix it, if it ever needs fixing. If the hinges and hardware are installed correctly, then you SHOULD never have a problem. I installed the hinge bolt in such a way that, even if the nut were to come off, the bolt could not come out of the hinge. During each prefight inspection you should check for excessive(any) play(movement) in all control surfaces. If an abnormal movement is detected, repair may be needed. I don't believe any access/inspection plate will allow the control surface hinge points to be repaired. I believe that the KR does not need any inspection access plates(holes). The only possible exception could be at the elevator control horn and I inspect this area through the rear deck. I have no inspection access plates unless you consider the wing strap/cover over the wing attechments. KISS Keep It Simple..... Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Control surface bolt access covers From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:43:41 EDT X-Message-Number: 4 In a message dated 5/29/99 12:04:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bmuse@mindspring.com writes: << I have no inspection access plates unless you consider the wing strap/cover over the wing attachments >> I think what he is trying to do here Bobby is to close in the large gap on the hinges so that he gets good undisturbed airflow, not inspection covers. Course I'm assuming here and you know what makes out of u-me.......just try the first three letters:-) Did my second lay-up of carbon fiber today..............you talking about bullet proof, takes a little extra resin but one layer of carbon fiber is supposedly stronger that two layers of KR cloth and weighs less, course you gotta throw in that price thing. There's always a down side to an up side. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Countersink in aluminum? From: "Dean Collette" Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:59:52 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 Machineheads - I need to counter sink some bolts and washers into aluminum so that the bolt head will be close to flush with the aluminum surface. The aluminum is thick enough - that's sure not a problem, but the holes need to have a flat bottom to accommodate the bolt heads and the washers. I know that I can haul this down to the local machine shop and get it done (for an arm and a leg) but I was wonder if there was a decent way to do this on my drill press. A forstner bit would be perfect, but I was told that these won't work on aluminum. These holes need to be about 5/8" in diameter and 1/4" or so deep. Anybody know how to do this one? Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Countersink in aluminum? From: "The Stones" Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 16:06:38 -0400 X-Message-Number: 6 -----Original Message----- From: Dean Collette snip These holes need to be about 5/8" in diameter and 1/4" or so deep. snip >Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin Dean If your drill chuck has the capacity, you could get a mill end bit of the diameter you need. Harbor Freight carries mill end sets as does Enco. Enco being a machine tool supplier you could get just the individual bit that you would need without having a entire set collect dust. http://encrypt.surging.com/use-enco/welcome.htm Tim S. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Countersink in aluminum? From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 16:38:57 EDT X-Message-Number: 7 Dean, My local tool shop carries a high speed cutter, 1/2 dia. by 2" with a 1/4 inch shank. Will cut on both bottom and sides of bit. Had to cut some grouves in my VW case and some strap alum. Worked great. Probably can be had in different sizes and mine cost 5.75. Only thing is to feed the work slowly and use a fairly high speed on the drill press. Good luck Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Countersink in aluminum? From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 19:51:05 EDT X-Message-Number: 8 Dr Dean, Just chuck up an end mill in your drill press and mill away! Don't have to have a milling machine for that sort of thing. Just need a milling machine when you need real accuracy over a large distance. Larry Shull EveninBrz@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Which KR (Which PLANE?!?!) From: Michael Taglieri Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 23:27:04 EDT X-Message-Number: 9 So . . . . bought the plans for the Sonex. > > Pros: 100 PAGES of well developed plans! ALL email, phonecalls, and faxes >returned--immediately! (Jeremy Monnett usually answers the phone). A couple >of good web sites developing. Expensive plans ($600) includes 2 day >builders workshop. Honest plansbuilt plane. > >Cons: Ugly! but it is growing on me :) It doesn't look ugly to me, except for the cowling. Otherwise, the lines are similar to those of the KR, and with a clear or greenish cowling instead of brown, I might like that better, too. One thing I'm wondering about is how you clean the inside of that windshield? Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2 FOR SALE From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 22:11:28 -0600 X-Message-Number: 10 ---------- > From: Rod Kelso > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] KR2 FOR SALE > Date: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 6:22 PM > > For personal reasons I am going to sell my KR2. If anyone is interested > e-mail me privatley and I will tell you all about it. ASKING 2500$. No > engine and about 50% finished. It also has Mooney Might retract gear, and > is a tail dragger. Complete set of plans with serial number. Also has wing > tanks started, and a fuel tank aft of seats. > > Rod Kelso > Denver, Colorado USA......................................:o)) > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rbk@orci.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Countersink in aluminum? From: boggyd@webtv.net (D Bogdan) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 23:08:34 -0500 (CDT) X-Message-Number: 11 a counterbore is a tool designed to bore a second hole that is larger than the first and concentric with it. the pilot on the counterbore fits the first hole drilled and keeps the tool concentric with it. the pilot is interchangeable, so it may be used with different sizes of tools. one of the puposes for counterboring is to make a recess for a bolt head. the counterbore is also used for spot facing. spot facing is the process of cutting a smooth surface around the edge of a hole to provide a square seat for a bolt head. regards, dj milwaukee Success comes in cans.... not in can'ts, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Countersink in aluminum? From: "Andy" Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 21:38:57 -0700 X-Message-Number: 12 -----Original Message----- From: Dean Collette To: KR-net users group Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 11:52 AM Subject: [kr-net] Countersink in aluminum? >Machineheads - > >I need to counter sink some bolts and washers into aluminum so that the bolt >head will be close to flush with the aluminum surface. The aluminum is thick >enough >--- > Hey . . . this is lowtech, but we had the same problem on a latch for some flush fitting, water tight doors for a set of comercial clothes dryers. We kept some broken drill bits ground off at a near perfect 90 degrees and sloooowly "planed" the aluminum away. it helped to keep the bit from wandering if the broken bit was short. we kept stop blocks on the drill press table to drill the second hole all the way through in the exact same place. Each freshly ground bit would get 1/8" to 1/4" before we would have to pitch it, and these were just cheap bits we bought by the hundreds. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Countersink in aluminum? From: Michael Taglieri Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 01:29:46 EDT X-Message-Number: 13 You can use an ordinary 5/8" spade bit. These are intended for wood, but I've used them for aluminum with good results, and the finish inside the hole is not critical. Drill a pilot hole first, then go slowly, using a lubricant. Mike Taglieri >I need to counter sink some bolts and washers into aluminum so that >the bolt >head will be close to flush with the aluminum surface. The aluminum is >thick >enough - that's sure not a problem, but the holes need to have a flat >bottom >to accommodate the bolt heads and the washers. I know that I can haul >this >down to the local machine shop and get it done (for an arm and a leg) >but I >was wonder if there was a decent way to do this on my drill press. A >forstner bit would be perfect, but I was told that these won't work on >aluminum. These holes need to be about 5/8" in diameter and 1/4" or so >deep. > >Anybody know how to do this one? > >Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin >mailto:drdean@execpc.com >Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: miket_nyc@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Warped Ailerons (N541RY) From: Michael Taglieri Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 01:29:46 EDT X-Message-Number: 14 You could try heating the ailerons with heat lamps, etc., then bend them back straght in a jig of some kind. We're always having threads about how heat softens epoxy, and maybe you could put this to good use. Mike Taglieri >Hello everyone! > >I have been getting the index for so long, I have >really been on the "outside" of the KR-net list. >I just changed back to individual emails and hope >to start posting like crazy soon. > >You may have noticed the 10 per day email limit on >posts to KR-net. If you see me hitting 10 emails/day >you will know I'm back for real. > >I had my KR out at another hangar which was supposed >to help me work on the project over the winter... big >mistake. Yesterday after the monthly EAA meeting where >folks hadn't seen me for months, a friend and I pushed >a large 337 out of the way to get my project out of the >heated group hangar, and back to my nice cozy hangar. >This was an effort to support the local FBO which didn't >quite work out for me. > >You should have seen the two of us trying to man-handle >the Cessna 337. If you are unfamiliar with these they >are large push-pull twin engine aircraft with an engine >in front and an engine in the rear. After we pushed >the left nav light into the hanger door, and recieved >the nice "crunch" sound, we new we were making progress. >I will let everyone know what the bill was later. >After pushing tugging and pulling the 337, moving the KR >was like pushing a baby carrage. > >Over the spring months, the only work I did was to put >the words "Experimental" on the plane, and work on the >engine baffeling. Work keeps getting in the way, but I >will eventually win! > >My big problem now is my ailerons... they are WARPED! > >I believe this is due to improper storage unattached from >the wing spars/hinges over the last 3-4 years or so. I am >debating trying to recover without building new ailerons, >but I think that will eventually be the cure. I think >I can probably build another set in the time I will spend >working to finish these, so I probably will order the spars >in two weeks when I get some $$$. > >If anyone has a KR-2 cowling (Great Planes VW), let me know, >I will be messing with dry micro this weekend, but may eventually >give up on my Lumpy Special Cowling project. > >If anyone is thinking about starting a KR-project, I'd say go >for it. You don't get anywhere fast if your standing still. >I'm in the middle of the 11th year on this sucker, and if I >have to crawl along another 10 years I'm going to see this >bird fly. > >Actually, I should be taxi testing soon. I did the plumbing >for the Wings and Fuel senders last month, so now it's cowling >and baffeling so I can scare folks on the ramp. > > -- Regards > Ross > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: miket_nyc@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com