From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 12:12 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: June 06, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Sunday, June 06, 1999. 1. Re: Dumb question of the week. 2. Re: Poor service from AS&S 3. Re: Re: Re: retract gear on the KR-2S 4. Re: Dumb question of the week. 5. hi group 6. Re: Re: Re: Re: retract gear on the KR-2S 7. The great El paso Flyin 8. Re: The great El paso Flyin 9. Re: Poor service from AS&S 10. Re: hi group 11. Re: Poor service from AS&S 12. Re: Personality Disorder 13. REQ New Airfoil update 14. Progress report. 15. Re: The great El paso Flyin 16. Re: REQ New Airfoil update 17. Re: Progress report. 18. KR-2 Project For Sale in St. Louis 19. Brake Lines 20. Re: The great El paso Flyin 21. Re: Brake Lines 22. first flight 23. Fillers - again 24. Re: Personality Disorder 25. Re: KR-2 Project For Sale in St. Louis 26. Re: first flight 27. N54PB back to the airport ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Dumb question of the week. From: "Martin Mulvey" Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:55:23 -0700 X-Message-Number: 1 Hi all, It doesn't take too much reflected heat or direct sunlight to mess up our lay-ups. Even the "Katana" has a Tell Tale indicator inside to warn if the structure is being compromised. If our aircraft are painted in a sunlight reflective paint scheme then we (Composites) should be OK. The oven cured or carbon fibre "Prepregs" have an advantage as far as painting a different color but also cost a whole lot more. Who wants to make an oven though. We want to build airplanes which are just as good but whiter. All the best!! Marty ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Stanton To: KR-net users group Sent: 04 June, 1999 08:33 Subject: [kr-net] Dumb question of the week. > OK, here is the dumb question of the week. > > Can you paint a KR2S colors other than white, or do we have the same > problem Glasair builders have. > > Almost all of the pictures I have seen have white paint jobs with > stripes. I was hopeing to be a bit more daring with a paint scheme. > > Of course I guess I should worry about getting plans first. > > Thanks, > > Scott "Don't want to be normal" Stanton > Orlando Florida > http://slstanton.hompage.com > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kr2smm@email.msn.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Poor service from AS&S From: Richard Parker Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 03:58:29 PDT X-Message-Number: 2 Mark Langford wrote: >So my question is, since when does HE care who AS&S ignores and >gives poor >service to? For dissatisfied customers, he probably needs >only look as >far as his Rolodex. He has probably been promoted to customer service manager! Rich Parker _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Re: Re: retract gear on the KR-2S From: Didactics1@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 07:35:07 EDT X-Message-Number: 3 I'm getting good feedback on the retract vs fixed gear question. I take it from your comment that KR's retract stock arrangement still is somewhat exposed when up, (looks like it just folds back and up, from literature drawing). I did see the article on the motorcycle gear arrangement. So the points about KISS and opposing bladder issues (fuel and otherwise) are convincing agruments. I'm grateful for your information and advice, a fixed wheel taildragger for me! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Dumb question of the week. From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 06:55:45 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4 I see from an NSTB report that Mike Campbell's previous plane - a Lancair 320 crashed in May, killing the new owner. I suppose it was the "Dream-Catcher" with the fancy belly paint scheme. What a shame! - for both pilot and plane. Ed J. > >I don't think I would recommend the black paint scheme that Michael >Campbell's latest "Primal Fear", on this months Sport Aviation cover, >sports - but I still think it is a way cool paint job. > >Steve EBerhart ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: hi group From: "peter" Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:44:21 +0800 X-Message-Number: 5 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BEB065.BCB952C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi kr-2 netters I have been following your group on the internet for = some time , with the intensions of purchasing a KR2 in the last year or = so, now I have finally been able to do so. The aircraft is in the boat stage it has a revmaster 2100D with turbo , = I am wondering if anybody out there would have a engine mount, for this = engine. Also I have retractable undercarriage that I would like to replace with = tri gear undercarriage. Does anyone know of anybody who may have one or makes after market tri = gear or has plans. Regards Peter. ( Perth Western Australia) ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BEB065.BCB952C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi kr-2 netters I have been = following your group=20 on the internet for some time , with the intensions of purchasing a KR2 = in the=20 last year or so, now I have finally been able to do so.
The aircraft is in the boat stage it = has a=20 revmaster 2100D with turbo , I am wondering if anybody out there would = have a=20 engine mount, for this engine.
Also I have retractable = undercarriage that I=20 would like to replace with tri gear undercarriage.
Does anyone know of anybody who may = have one or=20 makes after market tri gear or has plans.
 
Regards Peter. ( Perth Western=20 Australia)
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BEB065.BCB952C0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: retract gear on the KR-2S From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 08:54:58 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 > I'm getting good feedback on the retract vs fixed gear question. I take it > from your comment that KR's retract stock arrangement still is somewhat > exposed when up, (looks like it just folds back and up, from literature > drawing). You're right. They hang down something like 3.5" below the wing. The wing is only 7 inches thick, and the tires are taller. And like Don said, retracts don't offer much ground clearance, which is also why the "flaps" are so short. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: The great El paso Flyin From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:28:24 EDT X-Message-Number: 7 I arrived at the airport around 7 AM. got my plane out and Jeff arrived shortly after. He was the first one to arrive of the many expected. We stood around and talked about our planes for a while and drank coffee. The wind picked up quite strong and we decided not to do any flying together for the moment all the while scanning the skies looking for the expected fiberglass overcast. We got a call from Bob Muse who told us he couldn't get out of his area due to the high winds so there would be a hole in the expected fiberglass overcast. Oh well there were others surely on the way. We waited, the wind got stronger and no one came, not even the locals. So we decided to go eat lunch, maybe we would hear the roaring of many engines while there. After lunch we drove 20 miles to the Eagles Museum in N.M. and figured by the time we returned to the airport it would be overflowing with KR's. When we returned there was Jeffs plane sitting loyally alone.(Mine had gone to rest in the hanger) We sat around throwing the bull and along came one of the best West Texas Airports bull throwers and caught Jeffs interest. The last time I saw them they were walking off with a cool one in their hands gesturing emphatically. At this point I went off into the sunset. Don Clarke ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The great El paso Flyin From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:29:17 -0700 X-Message-Number: 8 On Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:28:24 EDT DClarke351@aol.com writes: >I arrived at the airport around 7 AM. got my plane out and Jeff arrived >shortly after. He was the first one to arrive of the many expected. We stood >around and talked about our planes for a while and drank coffee. The wind >picked up quite strong and we decided not to do any flying together for the >moment all the while scanning the skies looking for the expected fiberglass >overcast. We got a call from Bob Muse who told us he couldn't get out of his >area due to the high winds so there would be a hole in the expected >fiberglass overcast. Oh well there were others surely on the way. We waited, >the wind got stronger and no one came, not even the locals. So we decided to >go eat lunch, maybe we would hear the roaring of many engines while there. >After lunch we drove 20 miles to the Eagles Museum in N.M. and figured by the >time we returned to the airport it would be overflowing with KR's. When we >returned there was Jeffs plane sitting loyally alone.(Mine had gone to rest >in the hanger) We sat around throwing the bull and along came one of the best >West Texas Airports bull throwers and caught Jeffs interest. The last time I >saw them they were walking off with a cool one in their hands gesturing >emphatically. At this point I went off into the sunset. Don Clarke > And to finish this story..... I was plied with a couple of cold ones and thoroughly entertained with the aforementioned bull while generating some of my own lies over beers and steaks, then was off at 6 am and home at 8. That's the great thing about flying a KR. A three hundred mile trip before breakfast is no big deal. The west Texas fly-in was a bit sparsely attended, but was so much fun, we're going to plan another for later in the summer. Many thanks to Don for hosting. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Poor service from AS&S From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:52:31 -0700 X-Message-Number: 9 On Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:16:50 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: > >Mike Mims wrote: > >> Netters, I am talking with Jerry Aguilar at AS&S and he would like to >> hear more about people on various list that have had bad service from >> the catalog people. > >Don't get me started on all of the BAD experiences I've had with AS&S, from >stuff backordered for months, to mis-shipments and mischarges. On the other >hand I've ordered a hundred times more stuff from Wicks, and never had but >one little problem, which was Next Day Aired to me the next day! I only >order what I absolutely have to from AS&S... > OK, we'll try to put a little balance in here. Apparently I'm the exception, but the service from AS&S has beed pretty decent most of the time. I bought more of my parts through them then Wicks because Wicks always seemed to be higher priced and/or out of stock of the items I needed (Mark must have been buying ahead of me) :o) and the deliveries always seemed to run a day or two slower to New Mexico. I also had several problems with Wicks shipping incorrect parts and defective parts, then replacing the defective parts with more defective or incorrect parts. I finally had to go to the manufacturer to get it straightened out on two different items. (Cleveland Wheels and Capacitance fuel probes.) Wicks was very nice about the returns and credits and did seem to be genuinely interested in correcting their inadequacies once I talked to the manufacturers and found out what they were doing wrong. The majority of the problems I ran into with AS&S had to do with items that are manufactured for them and shipped from the ACS products factory. Those guys never did get an order right. I rarely had any problems with deliveries shipped directly from the AS&S warehouse. I also found the customer service folks at AS&S to be genuinely interested in addressing any problems. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: hi group From: David Moore Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 09:52:06 -0700 X-Message-Number: 10 Hey Peter, I think the person you would be interested in talking to is Dan Diehl, he makes the tri gear arrangement most builders use. http://www.diehlaero.com Dave Moore At 09:44 PM 6/6/99 +0800, you wrote: >>>> hi kr-2 netters I have been following your group on the internet for some time , with the intensions of purchasing a KR2 in the last year or so, now I have finally been able to do so. The aircraft is in the boat stage it has a revmaster 2100D with turbo , I am wondering if anybody out there would have a engine mount, for this engine. Also I have retractable undercarriage that I would like to replace with tri gear undercarriage. Does anyone know of anybody who may have one or makes after market tri gear or has plans. Regards Peter. ( Perth Western Australia) <<<<<<<< David Moore mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net Henderson, Nevada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Poor service from AS&S From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:58:01 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11 Jeff Scott wrote: > OK, we'll try to put a little balance in here. I guess I should have said "your mileage may vary". I have to order two things from AS&S tomorrow. Let's see how that goes... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Personality Disorder From: John P Moyle Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 11:55:00 -0700 X-Message-Number: 12 On Sat, 5 Jun 1999 23:44:22 "Steve Glover" writes: >Actually, he is right on. At the training squadrons in the USMC the >birds >are stenciled with "Navy" on one side and "Marines" on the other. This >is >because the training is combined for the two branches and both fly the >same >planes. > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jmoyle1@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > Steve, Mike et al, I checked out your Navy-Marine combo aircraft marking claim with North Americas' ultimate authority on military aircraft ( Dad ) and he asked me if I have taken to living with chickens ?? Seems that I can't get through a day without getting egg on my face !! I stand corrected, dripping yolks and all #&*@!!#$. Fly happy, John Moyle jmoyle1@juno.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: REQ New Airfoil update From: "Rick Hubka" Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:03:59 -0600 X-Message-Number: 13 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01BEB01D.0B163EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Guys It's been a month now since there has been any shared news on Troy and = the new airfoil. Would someone please provide an update. Thanks... Rick Hubka rick@hubka.com Calgary, Alberta Canada ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01BEB01D.0B163EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Guys
 
It's been a month now since there has been any = shared news on=20 Troy and the new airfoil.  Would someone please provide an=20 update.
 
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Rick Hubka
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------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01BEB01D.0B163EE0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Progress report. From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 15:29:14 EDT X-Message-Number: 14 As most of you are aware, I have completed the construction of my new aft center spar and moved it up .755" to achieve the 2 degrees of incidence instead of the 3 1/2 degrees in the plans. In doing so I had to redrill the spar for WAFs. I figured I might as well go with the WAFs from Trailing Edge Technologies. I got mine in Thursday. These are much better quality than my old ones from RR. I don't know much about laser cutting but these are much better. You guys who will be needing WAFs in the next 6 months or so, my recommendation is save yourself some money and get the remaining ones Dr. Dean has, they're worth the $275.00, which is much less than you can buy somewhere else. It just so happens that the double 3 degree bends on the aft WAF place the aft spar in the correct position for the set of Diehl skins, which has the more angled forward aft outer spar. I have reattached all of my aileron control horns, brackets and pulleys. In addition I cut out, using CAD profiles from Mark Langford, my stub wing ribs using 1/4 last a foam sandwiched between a layer of KR cloth and V.E. resin. This morning I installed the first stub wing lower skin. This week I will run my plumbing for my pitot, and wiring for my wingtip lights and install the upper skins. After building up my first set of wings, this doesn't seem fair.........instant wings. I should have my wings redone by this time next week. Without a doubt the coolest thing I have done is to use the rod end bearing system for hinges. I have posted a picture of this arrangement on my webpage at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/kr00007.htm Man, using these things allows you have a minuscule gap. The control surfaces pivot dead center.......absolute perfect movement, not binding and they take no time to install. I'm telling you guys, this is ridiculously simply and works beyond your wildest expectations. Check it out.......it's too cool. It'll look like an airplane again in no time. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The great El paso Flyin From: Richard Parker Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 14:41:18 PDT X-Message-Number: 15 >And to finish this story..... I was plied with a couple of cold ones and >thoroughly entertained with the aforementioned bull while generating some >of my own lies over beers and steaks, then was off at 6 am and home at 8. Thats the "8 inches bottle to throttle" rule. Any one have a beverage holder in their KR? :-) RP _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: REQ New Airfoil update From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:41:56 -0500 X-Message-Number: 16 >It's been a month now since there has been any shared news on Troy and the new airfoil. >Would someone please provide an update. I talked to him the other night, and he thought it would be a few more weeks. His new intake (with Mikuni carbs) and exhaust are finished, and now all he has to do is jerk the engine out and replace all of its guts. That won't take him long, but it depends on how much spare time he gets. He's not planning to paint it until after it flies, so all systems are go but the engine. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Progress report. From: JEHayward@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:14:54 EDT X-Message-Number: 17 In a message dated 6/6/99 3:30:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KR2616TJ@AOL.com writes: << I have completed the construction of my new aft center spar and moved it up .755" to achieve the 2 degrees of incidence instead of the 3 1/2 degrees in the plans. In doing so I had to redrill the spar for WAFs. >> Could you enlighten me as to why the spar needs to be drilled differently if the incidence is changed? Thanks...... Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR-2 Project For Sale in St. Louis From: EagleGator@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:53:31 EDT X-Message-Number: 18 I finally got the page posted for the project I looked at last week. You can see what I saw at: http://members.aol.com/eaglegator/krsale/krforsale.html. Please send serious inquiries only to Mr. Ron Mulvaney at mulvaney@ix.netcom.com. There is a link to his email on the web page. All other inquiries can be sent to me, and I'll answer your questions as best I am able. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Brake Lines From: Davinick2@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:38:28 EDT X-Message-Number: 19 Hi I remember reading here that the plastic lines connected to the brakes can melt / catch fire. I have the Cleveland wheels and brakes and the plastic tubing supplied by RR about 10 years ago. Is this really a problem or was there unusually hard and consistent braking being done for steering. Iam in the process of foaming my brake lines onto the fixed gear legs and it is decision time. Nick ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The great El paso Flyin From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:02:45 -0700 X-Message-Number: 20 On Sun, 06 Jun 1999 14:41:18 PDT Richard Parker writes: >>And to finish this story..... I was plied with a couple of cold ones and >>thoroughly entertained with the aforementioned bull while generating some >>of my own lies over beers and steaks, then was off at 6 am and home at 8. > >Thats the "8 inches bottle to throttle" rule. >Any one have a beverage holder in their KR? :-) > >RP Real pilots have dual beverage holders and a pilot relief tube. ;o) Seriously though, so nobody misinterprets the previous statements, I never drink more than two beers and never touched anything past 9 pm with a 6 am departure. That's 9 hours for the mathematically challenged. :o) Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Brake Lines From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:20:46 -0700 X-Message-Number: 21 On Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:38:28 EDT Davinick2@aol.com writes: >Hi >I remember reading here that the plastic lines connected to the brakes can >melt / catch fire. I have the Cleveland wheels and brakes and the plastic >tubing supplied by RR about 10 years ago. Is this really a problem or was >there unusually hard and consistent braking being done for steering. Iam in >the process of foaming my brake lines onto the fixed gear legs and it is >decision time. >Nick > Nick, et al, This is something I have posted to the net a few times as one of our EAA chapter members had his Rutan Defiant destroyed in a fire caused by plastic brake lines rupturing due to hot brakes while doing touch and goes testing out a new engine installation. The lines ruptured at the brake (wheel) cylinder and sprayed directly onto the disks and burst into flames. We also had a member with an RV-4 rupture both brake lines after a long taxi to parking at a fly-in in Phoenix a couple of years ago. The brakes will drag enough to generate some heat during taxi operations. Add in a hot day on asphalt and a little bit of braking action and the plastic overheats and fails under pressure. My solution/recommendation is to use Nyloseal (plastic) tubing down the gear leg then install a fitting converting to either aluminum, stainless steel, or steel braided (Aeroquip or Stratoflex) lines for the last 10 inchs to the brakes themselves. It is probably worth mentioning that Nylo-seal is listed at 2500 psi burst pressure while Nyloflow is rated at 1000 psi. The Aeroquip and Stratoflex hose most commonly used for flexible brake lines is rated at 3000 psi. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: first flight From: "garbez" Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 10:06:21 -0500 X-Message-Number: 22 Dear KRnet, Help! I have finished building my KR and have been taxi testing, but I am a low time pilot with really no stick experience. Any suggestions on how to overcome the problems of first flight? Mike Garbez N998MG msgtlg@netins.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fillers - again From: "Dean Collette" Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:07:06 -0500 X-Message-Number: 23 About a week or so ago, we were talking about the different fillers, and I mentioned that I liked SuperFil. Well, let me add a little bit more to that. Since that time I have kept filling and sanding my fuselage, and as the hours of experience builds, I keep learning new things. As we mentioned before, the Superfil is not all that easy to apply - Oh, you get used to it, but it takes awhile. Well, since I have a gallon of the Aeropoxy Light sitting around, I got brave and decided to give this another try. It is tough, and very messy to mix - the stuff is very sticky, and before you know it, it's everywhere. BUT, it applies to the fiberglass very, very nicely. I covered one area today that took me 3 applications with the Superfil on the other side. It also seems to be very temperature sensitive. In the garage today it was about 85, and the stuff cured to the point I could sand it in about 5 hours. (When I tried it in the basement at 65 degrees it took four days to cure.) The other nice thing is that when you sand, it doesn't "fill" the sandpaper. So you can keep sanding without changing the paper every 5 - 10 minutes. I mentioned before that it was difficult to sand, and with my first experience it was, but this time, it was no more difficult then the SuperFil. It also feathers out perfectly. All you Superfil heads might want to give this stuff a try - I'm not saying it's the end-all of fillers, but I think I'm going to keep using it. Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Personality Disorder From: "Steve Glover" Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:29:22 X-Message-Number: 24 I am really sorry. I didn't mean it as a flame or anything. Just sharing info. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2 Project For Sale in St. Louis From: "Steve Glover" Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:36:36 X-Message-Number: 25 The link doesn't work... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: first flight From: "Parley Byington" Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:47:13 -0700 X-Message-Number: 26 Mike I don't know where you are planning to fly your bird but if there are any dry lakes around I suggest using them. I live in southern Nevada where these wonderful creations are plentiful. I used the Eldorado dry lake outside of Boulder City Nevada to test fly my Kr for the first time. The nice thing about these lake beds are that you can take off directly into the wind and can land in any direction that you happen to be pointed. This comes in very handy if for some reason you experience handling/engine/?? problems. If no dry lakes are in your area, try to find an airport which has nice wide open fields or appropriate areas to make off field landings. I am not trying to scare you, but it is very reassuring to a new test pilot not to have to many things to worry about on the first flight. The Air Force knew what it was doing when it developed Edward's AFB on Muroc Dry Lake. After studying the flight area and going over where to make an emergency landing in your mind convince your self that your bird is really ready to fly. Check the little things like rudder cable turnbuckles for proper safety wire. Make sure your canopy latch does. Have a friend double check everything while you SILENTLY watch. Go over emergency procedures with your ground crew, have emergency phone numbers for the ambulance, fire, etc. written down and a cell phone at the ready. DON'T invite large numbers of people to watch your first flight, this increases pressure on you, the test pilot, to fly when you shouldn't. Have a ground crew member assigned to video tape the event. This will allow you to show your friends and is a good teaching tool for you. I have watched the first flight of N54PB numerous times over the years. Get plenty of taxi time especially with the tail up off the ground. This experience will give you the feel of the transition from air handling to ground handling. After the first flight, land and double check everything for loose bolts, landing gear attachments, prop, fuel leaks, etc.. Try to get some tail dragger time in prior to your first flight. Eliminate every possible problem that you can prior to take off. If the wind is blowing don't go, once you have verified the bird has no flight problems then you can learn to fly it in the wind. Remember to hope for the best but plan for the worst and everything will go well. I hope this advice helps and good luck to you, let us all know how it goes. Above all remember it is your body up there and once off the ground it is up to you to get safely back down, FLY THE AIRPLANE and KEEP THINE AIRSPEED LEST THE EARTH SHALL RISE UP AND SMITE THEE. Let me know if I can answer any questions you may have. Good Luck Parley (N54PB) -----Original Message----- From: garbez To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, June 06, 1999 8:48 PM Subject: [kr-net] first flight >Dear KRnet, >Help! I have finished building my KR and have been taxi testing, but I am a >low time pilot with really no stick experience. Any suggestions on how to >overcome the problems of first flight? > >Mike Garbez N998MG >msgtlg@netins.net > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: parley@anv.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: N54PB back to the airport From: "Parley Byington" Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:59:25 -0700 X-Message-Number: 27 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BEB070.39480700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a note to help the moral of those who are getting close to flying = their projects.=20 I finally got my bird back to the airport this past Saturday. I = finished installing the wings about 10:30pm. The wind blew all day = today but no big deal since I don't fly on Sunday anyway but next = weekend I will probably get it back in the air for the first time in = over a year. I have already received several compliments on the paint job by spam can = flyers in the area. Good luck to all builders and don't give up the = boat, no pun intended. Regards Parley (N54PB) ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BEB070.39480700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just a note to help the moral of those who are = getting close=20 to flying their projects. 
 
I finally got my bird back to the airport this past=20 Saturday.  I finished installing the wings about 10:30pm.  The = wind=20 blew all day today but no big deal since I don't fly on Sunday anyway = but next=20 weekend I will probably get it back in the air for the first time in = over a=20 year.
 
I have already received several compliments on the = paint job=20 by spam can flyers in the area.  Good luck to all builders and = don't give=20 up the boat, no pun intended.
 
Regards
Parley (N54PB)
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