From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 12:18 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: June 07, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Monday, June 07, 1999. 1. Re: Progress report. 2. Re: first flight 3. Re: first flight 4. Finish colors/was dumb question 5. US Government Bill 602P, E-Mail Surcharge 6. Re: Dumb question of the week. 7. Re: The great El paso Flyin 8. Re: US Government Bill 602P, E-Mail Surcharge, (HOAX) 9. Re: Magneto Question 10. Re: retract gear on the KR-2S 11. Re: US Government Bill 602P, E-Mail Surcharge 12. Re: Personality Disorder 13. Re: Progress report. 14. Re: first flight 15. Re: first flight 16. Re: new builder questions 17. Re: first flight 18. Re: Re: Re: retract gear on the KR-2S 19. Re: project update ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Progress report. From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 05:52:10 EDT X-Message-Number: 1 In a message dated 6/6/99 7:18:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JEHayward@AOL.COM writes: << Could you enlighten me as to why the spar needs to be drilled differently if the incidence is changed? Thanks...... Jim Hayward >> In my case, I came across a good "Diehl" on some skins. Using these skins, the aft outer spar is repositioned more forward at the tip than the plans call for. That necessitated me redrilling the aft center spar.........thus requiring me to build a new spar. If all I were going to do was to change the incidence, I would not have redrilled anything, as the washout on the tip would have remained the same. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: first flight From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:12:11 EDT X-Message-Number: 2 Mike With little stick time and probably no time in a KR, I would stronly suggest trying to find a KR pilot who would be willing to make the first flight for you. Or find a KR owner who would be willing to give you a little dual in a KR before your test flight. This is not an area where On The Job Training should be used. Good Luck; Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: first flight From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:16:14 EDT X-Message-Number: 3 Mike, the best advice I can give you is find someone, even if you have to travel for a weekend or fly commercial to get there, and get some KR time. After that you can plan, per the other post, your initial flight. Check out Rick Junkin's test flight page. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Finish colors/was dumb question From: Oscar Zuniga Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 05:30:27 PDT X-Message-Number: 4 Okay, so I muddy the waters a little bit. Regarding use of colors other than white for final finish, yes it would seem that the underside of the airplane could be colors other than white without some of the problems that the upper surfaces would pose, but everybody knows the bottom side ain't what matters (on a non-aerobatic KR). So the facts seem to be that vinylester resin stands up to higher temps than other resins without structurally softening. The use of vinylester resin would seem to help the problem some, but there is the matter of the foam too. I did read here on the list about somebody whose nice smooth wing surfaces turned to bumps and dips when the foam deformed after sitting in the sun. I suppose there are some foams that are more resistant than others here. There was also a tech article on the matter of how colors actually appear in the ultraviolet and infrared spectrums besides what the eye sees; some colors that appear 'cool' to the human eye are actually just as 'hot' as the darker colors when compared in the spectrum which absorbs heat. And it probably doesn't matter what the temperature gets up to inside the cabin; what would matter more is what it's doing right up against the inside of the foam inside a wing or other surface. Now if somebody could come up with a clear coating that reflects the 'bad' rays but still allows the paint beneath the coating to be seen... Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: US Government Bill 602P, E-Mail Surcharge From: "RONALD R.EASON" Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 07:37:39 -0700 X-Message-Number: 5 >Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 07:36:08 -0700 >To: coughenour-enb@worldnet.att.net >From: "RONALD R.EASON" >Subject: US Government Bill 602P, E-Mail Surcharge > >It's email news you need to know about. > >Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:56:44 EDT >Subject: US Post Office Proposed 5 cent surcharge on email Bill 602P >To: freedom@firsttel.com >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 > > >Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay online and continue >using email. The last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the >Government of the United States attempting to quietly push through >legislation that will affect your use of the Internet. Under proposed >legislation the US Postal Service will be attempting to bill email users out >of alternate postage fees. Bill 602P will permit the Federal Government to >charge a 5 cent surcharge on every email delivered, by billing Internet >Service Providers at the source. The consumer would then be billed in turn by >the ISP (Internet Service Providor). Washington DC lawyer Richard Stepp is >working without pay to prevent this legislation from becoming law. The US >Postal Service is claiming that lost revenue due to the proliferation of >email is costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year. You may have >noticed their recent ad campaign; "There is nothing like a letter." Since the >average citizen received about 10 pieces of email per day in 1998, the cost >to the typical individual would be an additional 50 cents per day, or over >$180 dollars per year, above and beyond their regular Internet costs. Note >that this would be money paid directly to the U.S. Postal Service for a >service they do not even provide. The whole point of the Internet is >democracy and non-interference. If the federal government is permitted to >tamper with our liberties by adding a surcharge to email, who knows where it >will end. You are already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail because >of bureaucratic inefficiency. It can take up to 6 days for a letter to be >delivered from New York to Buffalo. If the US Postal Service is allowed to >tinker with email, it will mark the end of the free Internet in the United >States. One congressman, Tony Schnell (R) has even suggested a twenty to >forty dollar per month surcharge on all Internet service above and beyond the >government's proposed email charges. Note that most of the major newspapers >have ignored the story, the only exception was the Washingtonian which called >the idea of email surcharge a useful concept who's time has come. March 6th >1999 Editorial. Don't sit by and watch your freedoms erode away! > >Send this email to all Americans on your list and tell your friends and >relatives to write to their congressman and say No to Bill 602P. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Dumb question of the week. From: Steven Eberhart Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:21:16 -0500 (CDT) X-Message-Number: 6 On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, Ed Janssen wrote: > I see from an NSTB report that Mike Campbell's previous plane - a Lancair > 320 crashed in May, killing the new owner. I suppose it was the > "Dream-Catcher" with the fancy belly paint scheme. What a shame! - for both > pilot and plane. > > Ed J. > > > > >I don't think I would recommend the black paint scheme that Michael > >Campbell's latest "Primal Fear", on this months Sport Aviation cover, > >sports - but I still think it is a way cool paint job. > > > >Steve EBerhart > According to the Lancair list it was the Drean Catcher that crashed. The pilot was supposedly the fourth owner. Steve ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The great El paso Flyin From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:25:08 EDT X-Message-Number: 7 I sure am sorry I even mentioned the "cool one" Don ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: US Government Bill 602P, E-Mail Surcharge, (HOAX) From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 09:53:44 -0400 X-Message-Number: 8 At 07:37 AM 6/7/99 -0700, you wrote: >>Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 07:36:08 -0700 >>To: coughenour-enb@worldnet.att.net >>From: "RONALD R.EASON" >>Subject: US Government Bill 602P, E-Mail Surcharge >> >>It's email news you need to know about. >> >>Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 13:56:44 EDT >>Subject: US Post Office Proposed 5 cent surcharge on email Bill 602P >>To: freedom@firsttel.com >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Hi Ron, This is another email hoax. These things are really easy to check out. I searched on the string, US Government Bill 602P, E-Mail Surcharge, and got 6,714,607 matches . Below I've listed a few easy to find ones. It would be better for this email list if folks would do a little research before posting these things. have you forwarded this to your congress critters yet?? Cheers, WD http://www.datafellows.fi/v-descs/bill602p.htm http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/library/blemtax2.htm?pid=2733&cob=home http://www.cfc.dnd.ca/emailtax.html http://www.kkc.net/toronto-star/1999/ts0428.shtml http://tenvolt.com/distractions/taxhoax.htm --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net (new address) mailto:dodger@coincidental.net (old address) http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Magneto Question From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 23:41:44 -0300 X-Message-Number: 9 Mike I believe that if instead of a fuse between the magneto and the tachometer,you put an appropriate capacitor, can improve your signal and protection and it´s cheap. Eduardo -----Mensaje original----- De: jscott.pilot@juno.com Para: KR-net users group Fecha: Viernes, 04 de Junio de 1999 12:33 a.m. Asunto: [kr-net] Re: Magneto Question > > >On Thu, 03 Jun 1999 19:21:52 -0700 Mike Mims writes: >>For all you magneto heads out there, can I hook up an electric tach to >>the P lead on a MAG? Does that work? Seems you would want to install a >>switch or fuse just in case you thought the tach was causing the mag to >>ground out? yes? Does it take a special mag? or can I use one for most >>any four cylinder? >> >>-- >>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >>Micheal Mims >>Filling and Sanding again! >>http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ >>http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >>Aliso Viejo CA >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >I believe you can do that and it is recommended that you use a fuse >and/or switch so you can shut off the tach if it grounds out the mag for >some reason. > >On your O-290 you should be able to use a pulse generator on the tach >drive to run a tach so you don't have to run a tach cable. That is how I >did it on my C-85. Of course if you want a tach that counts magneto or >coil pulses, I have one left over from my project that I'll sell you >cheap. :o) > >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM >mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com >See N1213w construction and first flight at >http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: emiglesias@cpenet.com.ar >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: retract gear on the KR-2S From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 00:38:04 -0300 X-Message-Number: 10 Hi Greg I´am developing a retract gear train for my KR that resembles each other a lot to that of the Polywagen or to that of the Lancair, and the only problem that I cannot solve yet it is the retraction mechanism and that of blockade. The solution but simple that I found it is to divide in two the problem: to retract with an helycoid and to block with a fastener. The hydraulic mechanism is better, but more difficult to manufacture. I will thank if you send me the planes of yours. Regards Eduardo -----Mensaje original----- De: GREG S MARTIN Para: KR-net users group Fecha: Viernes, 04 de Junio de 1999 02:00 a.m. Asunto: [kr-net] Re: retract gear on the KR-2S >Toby > >Yes. I have redesigned the retract gear for the -2S. ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: US Government Bill 602P, E-Mail Surcharge From: Tobin Dunham Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 08:00:34 PDT X-Message-Number: 11 If this were true, it would certainly be disturbing, but I got this same message last week and forwarded it to everyone I know. I was informed that the USPS issued a statement that it's all a load of bull. I'm pretty sure it's just a rumor. Toby Dunham Houston, TX _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Personality Disorder From: John P Moyle Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:26:05 -0700 X-Message-Number: 12 On Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:29:22 "Steve Glover" writes: >I am really sorry. I didn't mean it as a flame or anything. Just >sharing >info. > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jmoyle1@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > Steve, No offence taken!! I was just goofing on Mims!! I really didn't know that multiple marking info tho....My father is a retired USAF officer and a frustrated homebuilder too boot. ( He was chief rigger at Fairchild Aircraft before he took a commision in WWII.) I consult him on aviation related topics frequently, and the "egg" references were a direct quote from. He wants to build a Europa with the new long wings, as it would qualify as a motor glider. Fewer licencing hassles for a diabetic I'm told. This is all just a trick to get me to move back to Minnesota to build this for him. Minnesota!! The land of looong winters, and a month of poor sledding. Tough place to work on composites I think!!!! Thanks for the shout back, John ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Progress report. From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:17:59 -0300 X-Message-Number: 13 Dear Dana Perhaps I don't understand the change that you need make on the aft outher spar, but it would´t be easy to conserve the spars and to make new WAF? I suppose that, if what changes is the relative position of the outher spar with regard to the central one, it gets ready with new WAF. If I make a mistake tell it to me, since I plan to change the incidence at 1° and I already have placed the WAF. If you change the position of the holes that unites both WAF, I believe that you can change the position of the whole spar. Or not? Regards Eduardo -----Mensaje original----- De: KR2616TJ@aol.com Para: KR-net users group Fecha: Lunes, 07 de Junio de 1999 06:53 a.m. Asunto: [kr-net] Re: Progress report. >In a message dated 6/6/99 7:18:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JEHayward@AOL.COM >writes: > ><< Could you enlighten me as to why the spar needs to be drilled > differently > if the incidence is changed? Thanks...... > > Jim Hayward >> > >In my case, I came across a good "Diehl" on some skins. Using these skins, >the aft outer spar is repositioned more forward at the tip than the plans >call for. That necessitated me redrilling the aft center spar.........thus >requiring me to build a new spar. > >If all I were going to do was to change the incidence, I would not have >redrilled anything, as the washout on the tip would have remained the same. > >Dana Overall >1999 KR Gathering host >Richmond, KY >mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: emiglesias@cpenet.com.ar >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: first flight From: SClay10106@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:16:35 EDT X-Message-Number: 14 I was reading a article about this. The guy was suggesting lots of taxi practice high and low speed to get the feel of the plane exspecially if its a tail dragger. then transition into flight low altitude and keep opening the envelope more and more. I have been flying strictly 152 and 172 cessnas and this is how i plan on my first kr1 flight. good luck ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: first flight From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 19:47:09 -0700 X-Message-Number: 15 SClay10106@aol.com wrote: > The guy was suggesting lots of taxi practice high and low speed to get the feel of the plane especially if its a tail dragger. then transition into flight low altitude and keep opening the envelope more and more.>>>>> Another thing to keep in mind is that in a tail dragger it is much easier to land and take-off normally than it is to start a take off roll, get up to flying speed, shut down the engine and slow back down to taxi. Not that its not a good idea (it is so please do) to get a ton of taxi time but don't get carried away with 40 hours of high speed taxiing! :o) You will know when its the right time. I would agree 200% with the guys suggesting to you to get some KR time. Where do you live? Maybe one of the members lives close by. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: new builder questions From: Ross Youngblood Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 20:34:37 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 Toby, RE: Spruce Kitplanes puts out an annual homebuilders directory, I found spruce suppliers there. Your best bet would be either Aircraft Sprue or Wicks. I chatted with Steve Wolf who builds wood bi-planes for folks all over the world, and he prefers Wicks to Aircraft Spruce. I do too, but it's a close call. RE: Canopy, I too like the gull wing design. But I went with the regular canopy for now. There are some newsletter back issues that show methods for cutting the original canopy to make it a gull wing/windshield combination (I think). -- Regards Ross Tobin Dunham wrote: > Hi guys, > I've been watching your discussions for a couple of weeks now. I'm a new > KR-2 builder in Houston TX. Sounds like this group has a wealth of > information, and I plan to become involved with you more and more as I build > my plane. > As for right now, I haven't started anything yet. In fact, my KR-2 plans > haven't even arrived. But I want to get a head start and ask a few > questions, to aid in my price estimate and planning. > First, I've priced the KR-2 spruce kits from Rand Robinson and Aircraft > Spruce & Specialty. Can anyone tell me what the delivery times are like for > each company? Also, is there another company that sells the KR-2 spruce > kit? What about buying directly from a supplier? Obviously I want to get > the best delivery while spending the least amount of money. And yes, I've > seen the discussions about redwood and the other woods out there, and I want > to stick with spruce. > Second, I'm not fond of the stock KR canopy. I like the split canopy with > gullwing door (like Troy Petteway's, I think). Is this a modification of > the KR canopy, or is there another supplier that sells a canopy better > suited for this configuration? > Thanks, > Toby Dunham > Houston, TX > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: first flight From: Kr2jm@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 00:10:38 EDT X-Message-Number: 17 Hello all, There is a lot of good information on the first flight of a KR. Check with your local EAA Chapter, they have a great program called "Flight Advisor" program. They will look over your shoulder as you check out your new airplane, and also check out the pilot, and make "suggestions" on your next step. They can get you together with pilots of similar handling aircraft for some stick time. You spent years building, you should be able to live to enjoy your handy work. Be safe, Jim Morehead kr2aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Re: Re: retract gear on the KR-2S From: GREG S MARTIN Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:58:05 -0700 X-Message-Number: 18 Mark I would think you to be correct in general. I had a Bellanca Viking Turbo (300hp). It was in for a 100 hour inspection. I needed it that day. The machanic said OK but the clam shells were off of it at the moment. Well, I thought I'd lose 5 to 7 mph. I was wrong. 18 mph. I'm very sure that the clam shell design I have will realy help the performance. But I'm not going to be able to be factual with this plane for a little while. PS. I actually 2 lbs litter than the old retract system. Happy building and/or flying Greg Martin Bakersfield, CA On Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:35:28 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: >When folks started mounting Diehl gear and dumping the stock retracts, >they >saved a little weight and picked up speed! I think the only way >you'll get >any faster with retracts is if you tuck them completely up into the >wing >like Don Betcham did with his motorcycle strut affair. And if your >gear is >always down, you'll never belly it in. I know folks who've done >gear-up >landings 3 different times. That starts cutting into your flying time >and >budget after a while... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: idrawtobuild@juno.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: project update From: Ross Youngblood Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 22:50:48 -0700 X-Message-Number: 19 Bob, I'm about 90% done, and it does get overwhelming. I have thought multiple times of selling my project, but KR-net keeps me going. Plus I get a charge out of thinking that I've actually gotten as far as I have. I recently purchased the Anthony Robbins Motivitaional CD's and one of the neat tests he has is to imagine that you are 80 and looking back on your life. If you look back and say... Gee, I sure wish I hadn't sold that KR, keep it. I think I will look back and say, at 85 years, Gee I think I need to go out in the garage and sand some more. -- Ross smithr wrote: > Hi KRnet fans, > I seem to be too busy to read KRnet so I'm signing off KRnet > temporarily. Thanks to all of you for many good suggestions. KRnet is > Great!! I haven't gotten much done on my KR2S lately though. Its > currently at the boat stage, spars all done, canopy frame started, > hstab/elev about half done. Overall I guess I am only 25% done. I am > pleased with what I have completed so far but I am discouraged at how > much more I have yet to do and no time to do it. At this stage I am even > questioning whether I should try to complete the project. I seem to > find that I would rather go fishing (or go flying) than work on the > project. So I'm going to do some soul-searching and try to find the > inspiration to continue on. > > I'll stay on KRnet for two days in case anyone wants to reply. > > Bob Smith, KR2S, Albany, NY Out front, breaking wind > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com