From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 12:14 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: June 21, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Monday, June 21, 1999. 1. RE: Wasserboxers 2. Re: bandsaw blades 3. Re: KR-2S performance and the proposed Sport Pilot License 4. Re: KR-2S performance and the proposed Sport Pilot License 5. Airspeed calibration (long) 6. '00 Gathering 7. Re: Donations/Questions 8. Re: '00 Gathering 9. Re: KR-2S performance and the proposed Sport Pilot License 10. Re: Introduction and Question. 11. The proposed Sport Pilot License 12. Aircraft bolts 13. Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License 14. Re: '00 Gathering 15. Re: KR-2S performance and the proposed Sport Pilot License 16. The proposed Sport Pilot License 17. Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License 18. Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License 19. Re:Feather Coat 20. Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License 21. Re:Feather Coat 22. Re: redrives and prop RPM 23. Re:Feather Coat 24. Re: Feather Coat 25. Re: Introduction and Question. 26. Re: Buying car engines for $10k is stupid! 27. Re: KR-2S performance and the proposed Sport Pilot License 28. 1 year progress report 29. Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License 30. The proposed Sport Pilot License 31. Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License 32. Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License 33. Re:Feather Coat 34. Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Wasserboxers From: "Blandford, Carlton C" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:40:01 +0200 X-Message-Number: 1 Hi Chaps, Mark is correct, this is a boxer type motor. Not very reliable in the bus because it was generally overworked being all sealed up in the back. Main problem was overheating as the system had to be totally free of air to cool the engine properly. Any airlock would cause the engine to overheat. To rev the engine over 5500 was not healthy either. I would not recommend the engine to anyone else. It's a little heavy for a standard KR2 but they are freely available in this country. You can check out the installation on my new pages(geocities.com/pipeline/valley/2636)the reduction pictures are also available on the pages. I'll be replacing some of the photos' soon as they are not very clear. Cheers Carlton Blandford -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] Sent: 19 June 1999 03:36 To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Wasserboxers >Carlton Blandford, used a water-cooled VW > with a redrive rather than the Subaru. Evidently, this variation of the VW > exists in other parts of the world. I don't know what Calton is using but the "Wasserboxer" watercooled mutation of the Type 4 was common in VW Vanagons, which were sold worldwide, including the US. I'm not sure that reliability was their strong suit, but that's probably because (like other VW vans) it's a low horsepower engine put in a VERY demanding situation, and driven hard by folks who only feed them fuel and oil. That's not to say that they might not make a dandy aircraft engine, as long as maintenance isn't neglected, but I've never seen it done (yet)... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: CBlandford@mail.sbic.co.za To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: bandsaw blades From: "John Weikel" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 05:56:03 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 Good information. I have an old Rockwell saw and can't find blades. A local saw shop guy will order them for me but must have a order for fifty so he just lumps orders together till he has fifty before submitting it. It sometimes takes weeks to get a blade. Good blades, though.... The last one I bought built a whole RagWing RW-6 UL wood and aluminum. John W -----Original Message----- From: D Bogdan To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, June 20, 1999 11:14 PM Subject: [kr-net] bandsaw blades custom length bandsaw blades 1-800-831-6066 example for 10 carbon blades1/4"x82 1/2" 6 hook: 1)round up length (82 1/2" = 83") 2)multiply the length by the price per inch (83x$0.099 = $8.22) 3)add the fixed price ($8.22 + $5.59 = $13.81) 4)take a 10% discount for 10+ blade order ($13.81 - $1.39 = $12.42 each) guaranteed 2 day turnaround regards, dj milwaukee They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither... Historical Review of Pennsylvania: Benjamin Franklin --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jandd@maverickbbs.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2S performance and the proposed Sport Pilot License From: "John Weikel" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:03:32 -0500 X-Message-Number: 3 Don, Thanks for the warning. I have already glued the spars in place and it's too late to do anything like I suggested. I was just thinking of ways to extend the wing span without re-engineering the spars. Sure would like to know if lengthening each wing by a foot would be feasable. I need to get that stall speed down to 39 kts or less. John W. -----Original Message----- From: Donald Reid To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, June 20, 1999 9:19 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: KR-2S performance and the proposed Sport Pilot License >John Weikel wrote: >> >> I have considered putting a layer of e-glass at 45 deg on each face of the >> spar with a unidirectional tape along top and bottom spar cap. That should >> stiffen it up a good bit. > >Please re-consider this idea. When you combine material with different >physical properties, you will get unexpected consequences that require a >very careful analysis and testing program. The glass and wood will >strain at very different rates. That is, when you put a load on them, >they will tend to stretch at different rates. That can very drastically >affect the failure mechanisms of the overall structure. Without >testing, it is very difficult to predict the behaviour of this. > >-- >Don Reid >Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com > KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2S performance and the proposed Sport Pilot License From: cobrajad jad Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 05:19:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Message-Number: 4 what is the sport pilots license??? jim dixon --- jscott.pilot@juno.com wrote: > > > On Sat, 19 Jun 1999 3:38:59 jandd@maverickbbs.com > writes: > >Hello, my name is John Weikel and I live in > Kerrville, TX. I am new to > the > >KR list so please excuse my fits and starts while I > get into this thing. > I > >have a KR-2S in boat stage and am on hold due to > having had a heart > attack. > > I have regained my medical certigication but must > have approx $1600 of > >medical test annually to keep it current. Since I > am retired, this has > >priced me out of the air. The proposed Sport Pilot > License with self > > > >certification appears to be a way to get back in > the air. My concern is > > >that the KR-2S performance will not fall within the > proposed limits. > The > >max weight of 1200 seems do-able it's the stall > speed of 39 kts that I > am > >worried about. I would be interested in any > anformation anyone might > offer > >pertaining to how to get that stall speed within > the proposed limits. I > > >would like to get back to building but would hate > to put the time, > effort > >and money into a plane I wouldn't be able to > legally fly. Any comments > you > >might have would be appreciated. > > > > I think this can be done. The goal here is 39 kts, > which translates > roughly to around 45 mph. My KR-2S with the RAF 48 > airfoil Diehl wings > and NO flaps usually doesn't break into a full stall > until I'm down > around 42 mph. That was flying at 1125 lbs gross. > Much below 50 and it > gets pretty mushy and it starts to buffet at around > 45. Before we get > off into a discussion about airspeed indicator > calibration at low speeds, > I will say that I believe my indicator is reasonably > accurate. The point > here is that with a small amount of design work of > adding real flaps and > possibly an aerodynamicly activated leading edge > slat (very simple > mechanism) it shouldn't be hard to make a KR with > outstanding STOL > performance and a stall speed down around 35 mph, > but still preserve the > high speed performance. > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213w construction and first flight at > http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access > for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: > cobrajad@yahoo.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Airspeed calibration (long) From: Oscar Zuniga Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 05:44:59 PDT X-Message-Number: 5 Hello, netters I'm not sure how many are AOPA members, or if you read Barry Schiff's "Proficient Pilot" column in the May "Pilot", but he has an excellent method for determining true airspeed and for calibrating your ASI. Also a way to very accurately determine the effects of speed mods to your airplane. Use the method before and after making the mod to see how much it affected your airspeed. Here is the essence of the article. Craig Cox, a pilot and computer programmer, has a web site (http://www.reacomp.com) that makes it fun and easy to determine true airspeed. Go to the site, click on "True Airspeed" and a small diagram will appear. Enter the average groundspeeds for each of three legs (which you'll have to determine by using your GPS or other proven method). [I don't think the legs even have to be a triangle]. Not only will the true airspeed (rounded off to the nearest knot) magically appear, but so will the wind velocity encountered during your flight. As a bonus, a small diagram of the tracks made good also appears. The accuracy of your ASI can be determined by noting 12 indicated airspeeds during each of three, 2-minute legs (readings every 10 seconds or so). At the end of the flight, add all 36 indicated speeds together and divide the result by 36 to obtain the average indicated airspeed. Then apply any correction for calibrated airspeed and use your aviation computer to determine true airspeed using the pressure altitude and OAT experienced during the flight (you did record those, didn't you?). Then compare the results. [Schiff] compared the results using 3 different airplanes and found the three ASIs in error by 2, 5, and 11 kts, which is 2.3, 5.7, and 12.6 mph for those of you in Rio Linda. Obviously, you would want to run this procedure at several different airspeeds (like slow flight, pattern speed, and cruise) to find out how your ASI's error varies with speed. Something to do during your 40hr. test flight period. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: '00 Gathering From: Oscar Zuniga Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:35:56 PDT X-Message-Number: 6 Mike and Dana wrote: >As it is, you Subaru powered guys are allowed to trailer >your airplanes in if the flight is too far as we understand >this is common! We won't even make fun of you. :o) >...to win any prizes at this years gathering, you must fly >the airplane in. It's my ball, so I get to make the rules:-) So Dana; do you have to fly a KR in, or will any airplane do? If I get my M-19 finished next spring, I might just fly it to the 2000 Gathering. It's only 1,420 SM from where I'm sitting to Perry. At my planned cruise of 85 MPH, it's not going to be much longer of a trip than trailering it anyway ;o) But I should be starting on my KR next spring too. I now feel I'm ready to tackle the woodworking, fiberglassing, and systems. I still need to learn about finishing; I think that's spelled s-a-n-d-i-n-g. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Donations/Questions From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 18:27:03 -0300 X-Message-Number: 7 Ross I want to make my contribution, but I donīt know how. If you have somebody that can receive money with VISA, tell me. Here, in Argentina, tomorrow is the fatherīs day, so: very happy day for all of you that are fathers. Eduardo Santa Rosa La Pampa -----Mensaje original----- De: Ross Youngblood Para: KR-net users group Fecha: Jueves, 17 de Junio de 1999 02:11 p.m. Asunto: [kr-net] Re: Donations/Questions >Bob, > Send your KR-net donations to > KR-net > c/o Ross Youngblood > 1109 NE Burke Pl > Corvallis, OR > 97330 > >Some items of note: > > 1) Make the check payable to Ross Youngblood, I don't have a dba > (doing business as) account at the bank, and just put the > donations into a seperate savings account until the annual ISP > bill becomes due. (This is cheaper). > > 2) I keep trying to make some token of appriciation, decals are the > latest idea. However I haven't got the $$$ to invest in kicking > them off. These would be 4" in dia (suitible for sticking on your > KR, or toolchest). At any rate, if I can get them for under $1.00 > ea, I might be able to send them to folks who contribute. Current > bids include start up charges, and I don't have enough yet to >do this (perhaps next year). > > 3) If you send Canadian funds, my bank charges me a $7.00 processing > fee and returns the check. So in the case of a $15.00 >Canadian cashiers check (worth about $10us), I'm now looking to >figure out > how to cash this. > > 4) I had some checks stacked up from December, that I just deposited > (About $50.00 worth). What I'm saying here is that while I >appriciate donations ALL year round... I don't have the time to > run this like a business, so if you want to feel guilty about > donating, wait until July when we put the pressure on. Thats > just before the bill comes due. > > 5) As always, if we miss our target to pay our ISP bill annually > we can drop from month to month. By paying annually we get > two months free for everything (Web hosting, email list services). > I checked last year around this time, and still found Teleport > one of the few ISP's that offer email list services, and of the > two or three, our monthly charge was at least less than the others > who are targeting businesses. > > -- Regards > Ross > > > > >RFG842@aol.com wrote: >> >> Once again, today's posts confirm my belief that 99% of KR builders wear >> white hats. >> >> Please let me know where to send my check. >> >> Tnks, Bob >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: emiglesias@cpenet.com.ar >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: '00 Gathering From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:55:52 EDT X-Message-Number: 8 In a message dated 6/21/99 9:37:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: << .to win any prizes at this years gathering, you must fly >the airplane in. It's my ball, so I get to make the rules:-) So Dana; do you have to fly a KR in, or will any airplane do? If I get my M-19 finished next spring, I might just fly it to the 2000 Gathering. It's only 1,420 SM from where I'm sitting to Perry. At my planned cruise of 85 MPH, it's not going to be much longer of a trip than trailering it anyway ;o) >> Yep, gotta be a KR although it's kinda getting hard to tell what exactly a KR is:-) Better add a few more miles for your next leg past Perry. Course if your cruise is 85, you could probably cruise right with that blazing ball of fire L.P. (fuel for the fire). I think I'll go into the bunker after that one:-)....joke guys. Dana Overall 1999 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2S performance and the proposed Sport Pilot License From: Donald Reid Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:04:32 -0400 X-Message-Number: 9 John Weikel wrote: > > I was just thinking of ways to > extend the wing span without re-engineering the spars. Sure would like to > know if lengthening each wing by a foot would be feasable. I need to get > that stall speed down to 39 kts or less. If you want to increase the span without any changes to the wing structure, you have one of two choices. Either decrease the gross weight slightly, thereby maintaining the same margin to failure, or accept a lower maximum load factor. I suspect that is what the KR-1B did and why there was no KR-2B. The -1B was a long wing single place and I am guessing that it listed a slightly lower safe load factor than the KR-1. On the plus side, if you stretch the wing, the extra weight that is in the wing does not contribute to the bending loads on the wing structure. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Introduction and Question. From: Ross Youngblood Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:27:09 -0700 X-Message-Number: 10 Mike, I have flown in a KR like "Firebird" which had aileron trim. The pilot/builder had two toggle switches on the panel. If I recall the aileron trim tab was a small tab about 6" long, but don't hold me to this. If you want more information I may be able to get you the owners phone number. (He is not a KR-netter). -- Regards Ross Michael Geoghegan wrote: > > In way of introduction, I am the builder of a standard, per plans, KR-2. I have > been listening and enjoying the dialogue on KR-net for the last 7 months. You > should all be complemented for your efforts toward the common goal of builder > support. It is a drive which always seems to overcome the many controversial > issues involving opinions, personalities and experience. I have learned much > from listening and I hope in the future I will feel qualified to contribute > often. > > I am presently working on my ailerons and hope to have them completed within the > week. The rest of the project is completed except for the dreaded filling, > sanding and painting. I have a 1700 cc VW installed with alternator and battery > but no starter. I have included the required instruments and have added turn and > bank as well as navigation lighting. I have a duel stick setup and have > included MAC grip trim control on the pilot side. The stick controls the 6A MAC > elevator servo and a S8 aileron servo. The elevator servo fit very nicely in > the elevator and controls the trim tab as per plans. The question I have > regards the aileron trim. The servo is small enough to fit in the aileron but I > don't have any idea how big the trim tab should be. I can construct it as part > of the aileron similar to the elevator trim but the S8 instructions suggest > having it operate one side of a piano hinge which has the other half imbedded in > the trailing edge. Does anyone have any experience with an aileron trim tab and > would a 1" by 12" wide hinge tab do the trick. > > Do we have any takers on this one? > > Thanks in advance, > Mike Geoghegan > Moretown, Vermont > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: The proposed Sport Pilot License From: "John Weikel" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:33:23 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11 >--- > >It is a proposed license that will allow piloting a two place plane of under >1220 lbs gross with a stall speed of 39kt or less. Day only VFR into no >controlled airfields. And most important to me is medical self >certification. Should be coming up for approval any day now. >John W >-----Original Message----- >From: cobrajad jad >To: KR-net users group >Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 7:19 AM >Subject: [kr-net] Re: KR-2S performance and the proposed Sport Pilot License > > >>what is the sport pilots license??? >> >>jim dixon >> >>--- jscott.pilot@juno.com wrote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Aircraft bolts From: Tobin Dunham Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:56:33 PDT X-Message-Number: 12 Ok, Ok... I'm going to rescind my earlier statement regarding the suitability of Grade 8 hardware for aircraft use. They're perfectly fine for lots of applications, but having done a little more research, I am beginning to agree that AN grade is the only way to go. Visit this page for more details: http://www.exp-aircraft.com/library/alexande/hardware.html This is an excellent source of information on this subject. Be sure to download the AN bolt dimensions chart, and print out the picture showing what the bolt-head markings mean. It'll make life much easier, I promise :) Toby Dunham Houston, TX _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License From: cobrajad jad Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:46:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Message-Number: 13 John does it still require a private ticket? what prompted the license? jim --- John Weikel wrote: > > >--- > > > >It is a proposed license that will allow piloting a > two place plane of > under > >1220 lbs gross with a stall speed of 39kt or less. > Day only VFR into no > >controlled airfields. And most important to me is > medical self > >certification. Should be coming up for approval > any day now. > >John W > >-----Original Message----- > >From: cobrajad jad > >To: KR-net users group > >Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 7:19 AM > >Subject: [kr-net] Re: KR-2S performance and the > proposed Sport Pilot > License > > > > > >>what is the sport pilots license??? > >> > >>jim dixon > >> > >>--- jscott.pilot@juno.com wrote: > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: > cobrajad@yahoo.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: '00 Gathering From: Steven Eberhart Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:02:38 -0500 (CDT) X-Message-Number: 14 On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/21/99 9:37:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > taildrags@hotmail.com writes: > > << .to win any prizes at this years gathering, you must fly > >the airplane in. It's my ball, so I get to make the rules:-) > > So Dana; do you have to fly a KR in, or will any airplane do? If I get my > M-19 finished next spring, I might just fly it to the 2000 Gathering. It's > only 1,420 SM from where I'm sitting to Perry. At my planned cruise of 85 > MPH, it's not going to be much longer of a trip than trailering it anyway > ;o) >> > > Yep, gotta be a KR although it's kinda getting hard to tell what exactly a KR > is:-) > Oscar, You have a valid set of KR plans and RR issued serial number. I would sware up and down that the squirl was just a highly modified KR :-) Steve Eberhart ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2S performance and the proposed Sport Pilot License From: Steven Eberhart Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:58:25 -0500 (CDT) X-Message-Number: 15 I like what the gliders are doing. plug in wings with the spare overlapping in the cockpit and everything just connects together with two pip pins. very simple. Steve On Sat, 19 Jun 1999, Mark Langford wrote: > > > I thought a lot about this for the next project myself. What about just > > making the center section spars a few inches longer than the fuselage > > itself? The WAFs could be located just outside the wing root. > > You could probably do that if you were careful to make sure the WAFs and > bolted joints were up to the job. But since that's the most highly stressed > place in the spar, it'd be a lot safer to just leave it where it is. I > guess the ultimate would be to laminate the spar continuously from end to > end as one piece, and getting all the dihedral in the fuselage. Now THAT > would be the ticket, if you didn't ever have to take the wings off... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: newtech@newtech.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ------------------------------------- http://www.newtech.com/nlf One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought and is in no way intended to imply that it is anything more than ideas requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: The proposed Sport Pilot License From: Richard Parker Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:10:10 PDT X-Message-Number: 16 >And most important to me is medical self certification. Is that the same as saying that it allows people to fly who probably arent healthy enough to but think they are? Rich Parker You get what you pay for - Hotmail - "Its free!" _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License From: Ross Youngblood Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:25:28 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 Sailplane pilots have been medically self certified for as long as I can remember. (I self certified myself at the age of 14 and proceeded to solo a 2-33). I think the point is that the particular aircraft and activities envisioned for the Sport Pilot's License permits self certification as it is probably prohibited for you to fly into Class B or Class A airspace. Richard Parker wrote: > > >And most important to me is medical self certification. > > Is that the same as saying that it allows people to fly who probably arent > healthy enough to but think they are? > > Rich Parker > > You get what you pay for - Hotmail - "Its free!" > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License From: "John Weikel" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:44:29 -0500 X-Message-Number: 18 Jim, No, it is another class of private ticket. You can view the proposal on the EAA website. It's purpose was to legalize "fat" UL's and the pilots that fly them. Very confusing how it all came about but I'm all for it if it will allow me to fly my KR if and when I finish it. Now back to figuring out how to slow that stall speed down... I think Deil wings with no electrical system and other heavy extras will get pretty close... Or maybe the new wing Steve mentioned with full electrical..... John W -----Original Message----- From: cobrajad jad To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 1:46 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License >John > >does it still require a private ticket? what prompted the license? > >jim > >--- John Weikel wrote: >> >> >--- >> > >> >It is a proposed license that will allow piloting a >> two place plane of >> under >> >1220 lbs gross with a stall speed of 39kt or less. >> Day only VFR into no >> >controlled airfields. And most important to me is >> medical self >> >certification. Should be coming up for approval >> any day now. >> >John W ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Feather Coat From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:48:02 -0400 X-Message-Number: 19 Well now that we all know that Feather Coat is the pits, is there anything else out there that will act as a FILLER AND PRIMER? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Kenny ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License From: "John Weikel" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:50:18 -0500 X-Message-Number: 20 From my perspective, it will allow me to fly without having to have $1600 worth of documentation annually. I pass the medical fine as long as I include the documentation. I wouldn't mind if it were every other year maybe but annually is just too expensive for my retirement budget. For gosh sakes, I wouldn't be able to afford to fly. John W -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 3:10 PM Subject: [kr-net] The proposed Sport Pilot License >>And most important to me is medical self certification. > >Is that the same as saying that it allows people to fly who probably arent >healthy enough to but think they are? > > > >Rich Parker > >You get what you pay for - Hotmail - "Its free!" > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Feather Coat From: "John Weikel" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:57:20 -0500 X-Message-Number: 21 Don't auto paint shops sell a filler primer? Try a Ditzler Dealer or Dupont. I seem to remember something about PolyFiber having a new water based filler primer (I could be wrong about that). John W -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: KR-net users group Cc: kr-net@telelists.com Date: Monday, June 21, 1999 5:48 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re:Feather Coat >Well now that we all know that Feather Coat is the pits, is there >anything else out there that will act as a FILLER AND PRIMER? Any help >would be appreciated. Thanks, Kenny > >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jandd@maverickbbs.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: redrives and prop RPM From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:17:18 -0600 X-Message-Number: 22 Hi JC. Well I checked with my import salvage guy and he said Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. That means with out a year and a model he wouldnt be able to help you. There are so many computer brain boxs that he would be affraid the even guess as to what you need. He did suggest that you try and find the car that that engine came out of. It would be alot easyer on you and your brain if you could. I have not done what you are trying to do, so I cant really help that much. As for my project, im just going with an aircraft engine that has been proven for many, many years. Good luck, and I will be watching the net to see how you are doing. Rod Kelso Denver, Colorado USA ---------- > From: JC Marais > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: redrives and prop RPM > Date: Sunday, June 20, 1999 5:06 PM > > Hi Tom, > > you said: > >exists in other parts of the world. The Subaru is very popular here > because > >they were used in the snowy northeast US in the 1980's and now they can be > >gotten for peanuts, I got mine for $75. > >-Tom > > > Please do not make such remarks regarding availability of Subaru engines. > It tends to make me drool on the keyboard, which could create a short > circuit, which could be very dangerous to my health. > > After comparing the air cooled VW vs. water-cooled VW vs. Subaru EA81, > I've decided to import an EA81T from Japan. I got the engine, but without > ANY parts not connected directly to the engine. > > Is it possible for you (or anybody reading this plea) to supply my with an > email address of somebody that could find me some spares and ship it to > South Africa. > > I need the ECU (control box for the EFI) and harness for an EA81 Turbo > motor. > > It should be small enough to send via airmail. Transferring of funds should > not pose a serious problem. > > Regards. > > JC > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rbk@orci.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Feather Coat From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:29:31 -0700 X-Message-Number: 23 Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > > Well now that we all know that Feather Coat is the pits, is there > anything else out there that will act as a FILLER AND PRIMER? Any help > would be appreciated. Thanks, Kenny > We have only mentioned it 1000 times. Polyfibers new SmoothPrime is the ticket! www.polyfiber.com -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Feather Coat From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:43:33 -0400 X-Message-Number: 24 Thanks John, I'll give the local body shop a shot at it. Maybe PolyFiber will trade me since they made this stuff in the first place. I did try to wet sand it, and it did actually work better. What a mess though! Thanks, Kenny. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Introduction and Question. From: Michael Geoghegan Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:11:47 -0400 X-Message-Number: 25 Ross Youngblood wrote: > Mike, > I have flown in a KR like "Firebird" which had aileron trim. The > pilot/builder had two toggle switches on the panel. If I recall the > aileron trim tab was a small tab about 6" long, but don't hold me to > this. If you want more information I may be able to get you the > owners phone number. (He is not a KR-netter). > > -- Regards > Ross > > Ross, Thanks for responding. Do you recall if that tab was made as part of the aileron or was it an extension beyond the trailing edge. Maybe the phone number would help. If you can get it you can E-mail me directly. Thanks again, Mike Geoghegan Moretown Vermont ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Buying car engines for $10k is stupid! From: Warron Gray Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:27:44 -0400 X-Message-Number: 26 BURP!!!! a pigs comment Warron 8-) Mike Mims wrote: > Warron Gray wrote: > > > oh yeah one more thing when L.P. is used as the judgment for soobs > in > > kr's it turns my stomach. that over weighted thing is not the cutting edge > > but then what do i know Warron > > > > > > Unfortunately Lesters Subaru powered KR is the only one that ever shows > up at the gathering. If you Subaru powered guys want to shed the > reputation that he has been so kind to bestow upon you then bring your > Soob powered KR to the gathering and prove his is a one of a kind pig. > (VW guys get ready for a herd of swine in Kentucky) :o) > > As it is, you Subaru powered guys are allowed to trailer your airplanes > in if the flight is too far as we understand this is common! We wont > even make fun of you. :o) > > Any Soob power guys coming to the gathering this year? > > BTW - I am just joking!!! > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > Filling and Sanding again! > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > http://members.home.com/mikemims/ > Aliso Viejo CA > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: WARRONG@BELLSOUTH.NET > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2S performance and the proposed Sport Pilot License From: "Jim Whiteshield" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:52:37 -0700 X-Message-Number: 27 In keeping with the "KISS" principle, I tend to agree with Mike's idea of lengthening the wing, and using as few mods as possible. HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 1 year progress report From: Robert7721@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:47:53 EDT X-Message-Number: 28 1-year progress report, KR-2S - 25% complete I have now been building my KR2-S for 1 year now, started on Father's Day=20 last year. I now have approx. 270 hours and feel I am on schedule for a 4=20 year planned construction schedule. I have the boat completed. All spars are built and the seat and seat back=20 are installed. I will be buying the Tri-gear at the end of July and will=20 install it August/September. I will be building the tail this summer. I plan to use a Great Planes 2180 engine, but it will be a while before I=20 purchase it so I am considering the rear drive. I am curious about the=20 engine mount and cowling. I was planned to purchase both but am not sure th= e=20 present ones would work with this new arrangement. I have been building pretty much straight by the manual. I did widen the=20 fuselage by 1.5" and plan on building my own turtle deck, and front deck. I=20 built the WAFs myself using tips from Mike Mims and others to get them done. =20 I spent about 45 hours to do them myself. I borrowed the drill bits from=20 work to drill the large lighting holes. The plans are not correct for the=20 rear attach fittings, when building them for the KR2-S, so I made 4 fittings=20 twice. The best advice on this I can give is to wait to drill the=20 connections between the center and outer spars WAFs with the dihedral set an= d=20 locked in on the table. I have also made my own fiberglass seat and seat back using tips from KRNET. =20 Simple construction using =BD" polystyrene from Home Depot and fiberglass fr= om=20 Boater's World. The seat is a simple bench seat with flox along the edges=20 mounted on top of 5/8" spruce blocks at the spars. The seat back is also=20 just a plain seat back of =BD" polystyrene and fiberglass, but I used a pia= no=20 hinge at the aft spar mounting so it can flip forward, same as Jeff Scott's=20 seat back.=20 I've been using T-88 and West System Epoxy for construction. The spars are=20 all built using T-88 and I have used West System for most of the other=20 construction. West is available locally at Boater's World so it is easy to=20 get. I also liked their web page with detailed specification data on=20 property strength and usage manual. I used T-88 on the spars only because o= f=20 all the scare information posted on the net regarding the use of West. My thanks to the KRNET and the motivation it has provide up to this point. = I=20 also owe a special thanks to Jeff Scott, for the ride and flight instruction=20 at last years fly-in, and to Rick Junkin for letting me drink his beer and=20 look his project over in St. Louis one night. For all of you who complain about the planes small size, and lack of room I=20 say "too bad", Ken must have had me in mind when he built it. I weigh only=20 150 lbs. and am 5'5". However, I suppose this also means I should be able t= o=20 give some of you heavy weights a ride when I get it finished. Lets see, I=20 should be finished in the summer of 2002, maybe I should start a list now? Rob Schmitt robert7721@aol.com Lee's Summit, MO =20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:38:04 -0400 X-Message-Number: 29 Can we now be self certified? I know that they tryed to get it a while ago. I sure hope so. I din not know that sea plane pilots could do it themself. I do not see what is the difference between land and water. R. W. Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Youngblood To: KR-net users group Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 6:25 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License > Sailplane pilots have been medically self certified for as long > as I can remember. (I self certified myself at the age of 14 and > proceeded to solo a 2-33). > > I think the point is that the particular aircraft and activities > envisioned for the Sport Pilot's License permits self certification > as it is probably prohibited for you to fly into Class B or Class A > airspace. > > > Richard Parker wrote: > > > > >And most important to me is medical self certification. > > > > Is that the same as saying that it allows people to fly who probably arent > > healthy enough to but think they are? > > > > Rich Parker > > > > You get what you pay for - Hotmail - "Its free!" > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: The proposed Sport Pilot License From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:44:04 -0700 X-Message-Number: 30 Who knows more about this? What criteria will they use to determine which planes meet the stall speed? For example, what if I just happen to discover that my Sky Pig stalls at 44 mph at gross weight of 1100 pounds? Who is to say it doesn't if my test flight data says it does? Is the inspector gonna jump in and make me prove it? Also what if it was a single seater, the FAA couldn't even come along for a ride? So what's gonna happen here? I think making a KR2S meet the criteria may be much more simple than we think! :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:53:58 -0700 X-Message-Number: 31 Uh, You probably noticed this right after you hit the send button, but he was talking about SAIL planes (gliders), not SEA planes, but it is an interesting concept. :o) FWIW, I agree with the EAA that third class medicals should be self certifying. IMHO, medicals for private pilots are of little value compared to the cost. Jeff Scott On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 23:38:04 -0400 "R.W. Moore" writes: >Can we now be self certified? I know that they tryed to get it a while >ago. I sure hope so. I din not know that sea plane pilots could do it >themself. I do not see what is the difference between land and water. >R. W. Moore > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ross Youngblood >To: KR-net users group >Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 6:25 PM >Subject: [kr-net] Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License > > >> Sailplane pilots have been medically self certified for as long >> as I can remember. (I self certified myself at the age of 14 and >> proceeded to solo a 2-33). >> >> I think the point is that the particular aircraft and activities >> envisioned for the Sport Pilot's License permits self certification >> as it is probably prohibited for you to fly into Class B or Class A >> airspace. >> ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:59:38 -0700 X-Message-Number: 32 From the EAA site: The diversity of aircraft envisioned to be operated under this category include such 'types' as Powered Parachutes, Powered Flex Wing Trikes (Powered Hang Gliders), Powered Fixed Wing Aircraft, Ultralight Sailplane, Ultralight Sailplane Tug, Gyroplane and powered Rotorcraft, and many other unique and unconventional flying machines. The potential also exists for the addition of future types that have yet to be conceived but that may fit this category of operations in the future. In addition, many of the listed 'types' may be further sub-grouped to address such dissimilar features as pusher and tractor engine locations - single and double surface wings- weight shift and single, double, or three-axis controls systems - conventional tail canard, and tail- less aircraft, amphibious configurations of many of the above - and tricycle or conventional landing gear configurations. Notice "amphibious configurations of many of the above" was in there at the end. Seaplanes could be a possibility if it passes. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Feather Coat From: Kr2jm@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:52:48 EDT X-Message-Number: 33 In a message dated 6/21/99 3:59:50 PM, jandd@maverickbbs.com writes: << Don't auto paint shops sell a filler primer? Try a Ditzler Dealer or Dupont. I seem to remember something about PolyFiber having a new water based filler primer (I could be wrong about that). John W >> Poly Fiber has a product called SuperFil, check it out on their web sight e-mail = info@polyfiber.com Jim Morehead Campbell, CA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: The proposed Sport Pilot License From: Michael Taglieri Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:16:46 -0400 X-Message-Number: 34 >> >It is a proposed license that will allow piloting a two place plane of under >> >1220 lbs gross with a stall speed of 39kt or less. Day only VFR into no >> >controlled airfields. And most important to me is medical self >> >certification. Should be coming up for approval any day now. It occurrs to me that all this talk about adding feet to the wing, etc., may be overkill: 39 kts is 45 mph, and a stock KR-2 already has a published stall speed of 52mph (I think without flaps). Build it light, add the flaps and maybe some foam wingtips, and there you are. 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