From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 12:20 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: June 30, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Wednesday, June 30, 1999. 1. First flight of the yellow bird 2. Re: First flight of the yellow bird 3. Re: First flight of the yellow bird 4. KRNet CD-ROM update 5. Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood 6. Re: Terra's going away... 7. Re: Terra's going away... 8. Trailer? 9. Re: Trailer? 10. Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood 11. Re: Trailer? 12. Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood 13. Painting etc.- Cable routing etc. 14. Trailer? 15. Re: KRNet CD-ROM update 16. Re: First flight of the yellow bird 17. Re: Trailer? 18. Re: Progress report 19. Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood 20. Re: Trailer? 21. Re: Trailer? 22. HAPI mag drive 23. New Web Site 24. Re: Trailer? 25. FW: New webpage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: First flight of the yellow bird From: "Blandford, Carlton C" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:52:32 +0200 X-Message-Number: 1 Morning Chaps, Well, my bird has finally taken to the air on Sunday 27/6 at 12:15pm. It will definitely be a day that I will remember for a long time. Unfortunately I don't have all the performance figures as the flight only lasted 10 minutes. I can report that 1000ft was reached in 45 seconds. At 1000ft the engine started overheating and eventually lost all it's coolant. The test pilot had to make an emergency landing. luckily the plane and pilot are still in one peace. On inspection we found that air was introduced to the system (this is a high pressure system) causing the coolant to boil at 125 degrees. Due to the higher pressure the expansion tank pressure relief cap opened and dumped all the coolant into the overflow bottle and eventually overboard. The pilot reported that the planes flight characteristics are fine but tends to fly with a noise down attitude because of the heavy engine. I've repaired the leak in the cooling system and will be testing again this weekend. Oil has been sent to the labs for analyses as the engine was exposed to high temperatures. If the engines reliability has been compromised I will be replacing the whole installation with a 0-200 continental. The building never ends!!!...maybe for some..... Regards Carlton Blandford Standard Bank - Integrated Network Services Tel No: 027 11 636-8372 Fax No: 027 11 636-3074 *CBlandford@Mail.SBIC.co.za ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: First flight of the yellow bird From: "John Weikel" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 06:06:33 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 Carlton, Congratulations on the first flight. Being new on the KR-NET I am not familiar with your plane. What powerplant are you using? John W KR-2S RW-6 Kerrville, Tx -----Original Message----- From: Blandford, Carlton C To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 3:52 AM Subject: [kr-net] First flight of the yellow bird >Morning Chaps, > >Well, my bird has finally taken to the air on Sunday 27/6 at 12:15pm. It >will definitely be a day that I will remember for a long time. >Unfortunately I don't have all the performance figures as the flight only >lasted 10 minutes. I can report that 1000ft was reached in 45 seconds. >At 1000ft the engine started overheating and eventually lost all it's >coolant. The test pilot had to make an emergency landing. luckily the plane >and pilot are still in one peace. >On inspection we found that air was introduced to the system (this is a high >pressure system) causing the coolant to boil at 125 degrees. Due to the >higher pressure the expansion tank pressure relief cap opened and dumped all >the coolant into the overflow bottle and eventually overboard. >The pilot reported that the planes flight characteristics are fine but tends >to fly with a noise down attitude because of the heavy engine. > >I've repaired the leak in the cooling system and will be testing again this >weekend. >Oil has been sent to the labs for analyses as the engine was exposed to high >temperatures. If the engines reliability has been compromised I will be >replacing the whole installation with a 0-200 continental. > >The building never ends!!!...maybe for some..... > >Regards > >Carlton Blandford >Standard Bank - Integrated Network Services >Tel No: 027 11 636-8372 >Fax No: 027 11 636-3074 >*CBlandford@Mail.SBIC.co.za > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: First flight of the yellow bird From: "Blandford, Carlton C" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:53:30 +0200 X-Message-Number: 3 Thks John, you can view the plane on Mike Mims page or on the KR-Net homepage. (Sorry I dont have the address on hand). The plane is equipped with a VW 2.1 water-cooled motor. I have WebPages at geocities.com/pipeline/valley/2636/ but these are still under construction. I will be uploading all the revised pages this evening and all the engine installation photos with spec are on the page. I'll send a note to everyone when the pages are all up and running Cheers Carlton -----Original Message----- From: John Weikel [mailto:jandd@maverickbbs.com] Sent: 30 June 1999 01:07 To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Re: First flight of the yellow bird Carlton, Congratulations on the first flight. Being new on the KR-NET I am not familiar with your plane. What powerplant are you using? John W KR-2S RW-6 Kerrville, Tx -----Original Message----- From: Blandford, Carlton C To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 3:52 AM Subject: [kr-net] First flight of the yellow bird >Morning Chaps, > >Well, my bird has finally taken to the air on Sunday 27/6 at 12:15pm. It >will definitely be a day that I will remember for a long time. >Unfortunately I don't have all the performance figures as the flight only >lasted 10 minutes. I can report that 1000ft was reached in 45 seconds. >At 1000ft the engine started overheating and eventually lost all it's >coolant. The test pilot had to make an emergency landing. luckily the plane >and pilot are still in one peace. >On inspection we found that air was introduced to the system (this is a high >pressure system) causing the coolant to boil at 125 degrees. Due to the >higher pressure the expansion tank pressure relief cap opened and dumped all >the coolant into the overflow bottle and eventually overboard. >The pilot reported that the planes flight characteristics are fine but tends >to fly with a noise down attitude because of the heavy engine. > >I've repaired the leak in the cooling system and will be testing again this >weekend. >Oil has been sent to the labs for analyses as the engine was exposed to high >temperatures. If the engines reliability has been compromised I will be >replacing the whole installation with a 0-200 continental. > >The building never ends!!!...maybe for some..... > >Regards > >Carlton Blandford >Standard Bank - Integrated Network Services >Tel No: 027 11 636-8372 >Fax No: 027 11 636-3074 >*CBlandford@Mail.SBIC.co.za > --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: CBlandford@mail.sbic.co.za To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KRNet CD-ROM update From: Oscar Zuniga Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 06:16:34 PDT X-Message-Number: 4 Howdy, netters I've pretty much decided that the only way I will ever get the "Traveling Resource Library" (aka the KRNet CD-ROM) done is to give up on trying to make the old newsletters indexed and searchable by keyword. It just takes too much time, as interesting as it is to go through them with a fine-tooth comb. If I just convert them to .pdf and set them up by year just the way Curtis and Kerry scanned and zipped them, I can get things in your hands and _you_ can look through them for what you want. Lots of other stuff has been forwarded to me for putting on the CD, such as all the KRNet archives. It will be a 'must-have' reference, but I at least want to make it easy to retrieve what you want, so a little indexing is in order. Price will still be $10 ppd, and I will post a list of names of everybody who requested one so you can update me with current address (it has been a year since I started the list!). Going out on a limb here... maybe I'll have it by the Gathering in Sept.??? Also considering your purchase of the CD to be fulfillment of your "annual dues" to KRNet, since I expect to forward the proceeds to Ross. I've long since lost track of what I paid for the blank CDs, mailers, etc. Don't post to KRNet if you have questions about this; email privately and we'll talk. Meanwhile, I'll post update after I get back from vacation starting Friday. Keep posts to KRNet brief while I'm gone, so my mailbox won't fill up. Wife isn't letting me even take the laptop ;o( Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:08:37 -0700 X-Message-Number: 5 Thanks Mike, I discussed the story of an engine pulling the top mount off the firewall with an EAA tech counselor. As I had heard it, the top cross member detached from the fuselage, and the entire firewall dropped forward. He suggested angular bracing that went from the firewall to the sides of the fuselage. He had some example photos of this implementation on a sailplane. However, he thought that the plans would probably be adequate, so I stuck to the plans. -- Regards Ross Michael Taglieri wrote: > > >This Floxing of the aluminum mounts is news to me. I have made > >FLOX from both Aeropoxy, and Hexcel Structural Adhesive (Similar > >to T-88). The T88, will be thicker, but will work. I found using > >the structural adhesive easier to use for small batches as it is > > If I remember correctly, the aluminum mounts were first suggested in an > old Newsletter (perhaps by Lance Niebuhr??) following a firewall failure > after a hard landing. That article recommended both bolting and > epoxying. Eventually the idea made it into the plans but mentioned only > bolting. > > This either means (A) Rand-Robinson did careful stress analysis and > determined that epoxying was not needed, or (B) another slapdash error in > the plans. > > Mike Taglieri > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Terra's going away... From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:10:16 -0700 X-Message-Number: 6 AVflash posted that Gulf Coast was buying the remaining stock of Terra. It's good stuff. However II morrow now sells a transponder that is lightweight, so if the price is not too high, I would probably buy the II Morrow X-ponder and the GPS/COM unit today. The GPS/COM preloads frequencys into standby as you fly near airports. Also they are slim. I don't know the weight and current requirements but I think they would be better than older King units. -- Regards Ross David Moore wrote: > > When I was at F&S, the guy at Gulf Coast Avionics said they were buying up > all the Terra avionics they could from Trimble. If anyone is interested, > there small in size and are just right for a homebuilt panel that is small > in space. > I also read Mooney was quite upset because of Trimble pulling out of the GA > market. Mooney had plans for Terra avionics in all their new aircraft. > > Dave Moore > > >Actually, Trimble is trying to sell the Terra line. The guy that created > >Terra and built the business in Albuquerque before selling the line to > >Trimble is one of those that has expressed an interest in buying Terra. > >Anyone out there that wants to be in the aircraft avionics business. > >Here's your chance to own a good line that is popular with the homebuilt > >crowd. > > > >Unfortunately, the Terra line was supposed to be installed in a couple of > >new production planes including Mooney and Cirrus, and they both > >cancelled their orders once Trimble announced that they weren't very > >interested. > > > >Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > >mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com > >See N1213w construction and first flight at > >http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm > > > > David G. Moore > mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net > Henderson, Nevada > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Terra's going away... From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:13:34 -0700 X-Message-Number: 7 jscott.pilot@juno.com wrote: > > Actually, Trimble is trying to sell the Terra line. The guy that created > Terra and built the business in Albuquerque before selling the line to > Trimble is one of those that has expressed an interest in buying Terra. I was told that the founder of Terra also owned the local FBO here which was Bertea Aviation (We pronounced it Ber Tay-a). Recently the FBO was sold, so we thought it was due poor profitability. Perhaps the owner is gathering capital to buy the Terra line, one can only hope. -- Regards Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Trailer? From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:36:25 -0700 X-Message-Number: 8 OK KR-netters. I'm faced with a problem that you can help solve! I was going to change jobs, and stay living in Oregon, when my current employer up and counters with an opportunity to move back to Phoenix, AZ, the land of VFR, unlimited ceiling and unlimited visibility. The problem, no hangar. The waiting list is 6 years at Chandler Municipal Airport, plus a $150 deposit. So what to do? I'm thinking trailer. Does anyone have a good enclosed trailer idea? I'm thinking that this will really hammer my KR, but I can't leave the KR out in the AZ sun, it will be toasted in a couple of years (UV exposure). I will be looking at other options... sharing hangars etc, but for now, this move has a major negitive. No home for the KR. -- Regards Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailer? From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:15:19 -0400 X-Message-Number: 9 At 08:36 AM 6/30/99 -0700, you wrote: >OK KR-netters. I'm faced with a problem that you can help >solve! > >I was going to change jobs, and stay living in Oregon, when my >current employer up and counters with an opportunity to move >back to Phoenix, AZ, the land of VFR, unlimited ceiling and >unlimited visibility. The problem, no hangar. The waiting >list is 6 years at Chandler Municipal Airport, plus a $150 >deposit. > >So what to do? I'm thinking trailer. Does anyone have a good >enclosed trailer idea? I'm thinking that this will really >hammer my KR, but I can't leave the KR out in the AZ sun, it will >be toasted in a couple of years (UV exposure). > >I will be looking at other options... sharing hangars etc, but >for now, this move has a major negitive. No home for the KR. How about having a custom cover made out of silvered tarp material? It could be in 3 pieces, one for each wing, and one for the fuselage, including the tail feathers. It could be open on the bottom and held on by bungie cords. This is something I've been considering, rather then waiting in line for hanger space. WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net (new address) mailto:dodger@coincidental.net (old address) http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood From: Willard561@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:19:22 EDT X-Message-Number: 10 In a message dated 6/30/99 9:21:46 AM Mountain Daylight Time, rossy@teleport.com writes: << Michael Taglieri wrote: > > >This Floxing of the aluminum mounts is news to me. I have made > >FLOX from both Aeropoxy, and Hexcel Structural Adhesive (Similar > >to T-88). The T88, will be thicker, but will work. I found using > >the structural adhesive easier to use for small batches as it is > > If I remember correctly, the aluminum mounts were first suggested in an > old Newsletter (perhaps by Lance Niebuhr??) following a firewall failure > after a hard landing. That article recommended both bolting and > epoxying. Eventually the idea made it into the plans but mentioned only > bolting. > > This either means (A) Rand-Robinson did careful stress analysis and > determined that epoxying was not needed, or (B) another slapdash error in > the plans. > > Mike Taglieri > >> I have had a fair amount of experience with glueing aluminum, and unless the surface is prepared properly,ie FPL etch or Boeing anodize process, the aluminum will seperate from the rest of the assy. after a while. So I think the glue was deleted because it would seperate after a short time anyway. ps I know some of you have had these joints hold for a "long time" but a lot of Industry experience by a lot of companies says unless properly preped, they won't hold. Bill Higdon Willard561@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailer? From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:30:38 -0400 X-Message-Number: 11 I do nor have a trailor, but I have a folding wing plans that would be helpful if you find a trailor. RWM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Youngblood To: KR-net users group Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 11:36 AM Subject: [kr-net] Trailer? > OK KR-netters. I'm faced with a problem that you can help > solve! > > I was going to change jobs, and stay living in Oregon, when my > current employer up and counters with an opportunity to move > back to Phoenix, AZ, the land of VFR, unlimited ceiling and > unlimited visibility. The problem, no hangar. The waiting > list is 6 years at Chandler Municipal Airport, plus a $150 > deposit. > > So what to do? I'm thinking trailer. Does anyone have a good > enclosed trailer idea? I'm thinking that this will really > hammer my KR, but I can't leave the KR out in the AZ sun, it will > be toasted in a couple of years (UV exposure). > > I will be looking at other options... sharing hangars etc, but > for now, this move has a major negitive. No home for the KR. > > -- Regards > Ross > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:36:55 -0400 X-Message-Number: 12 I have cut open my wing gas tank to stop the leaks. What do I use and where do I buy it. The leaks are next to the main spar. I read in ACP catalog the a sealer for about $14. 00 a Quart. I do not know about FLOX what is it and where do you buy it? RWMoore ----- Original Message ----- From: To: KR-net users group Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 12:19 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood > In a message dated 6/30/99 9:21:46 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > rossy@teleport.com writes: > > << Michael Taglieri wrote: > > > > >This Floxing of the aluminum mounts is news to me. I have made > > >FLOX from both Aeropoxy, and Hexcel Structural Adhesive (Similar > > >to T-88). The T88, will be thicker, but will work. I found using > > >the structural adhesive easier to use for small batches as it is > > > > If I remember correctly, the aluminum mounts were first suggested in an > > old Newsletter (perhaps by Lance Niebuhr??) following a firewall failure > > after a hard landing. That article recommended both bolting and > > epoxying. Eventually the idea made it into the plans but mentioned only > > bolting. > > > > This either means (A) Rand-Robinson did careful stress analysis and > > determined that epoxying was not needed, or (B) another slapdash error in > > the plans. > > > > Mike Taglieri > > >> > I have had a fair amount of experience with glueing aluminum, and unless the > surface > is prepared properly,ie FPL etch or Boeing anodize process, the aluminum will > seperate from the rest of the assy. after a while. So I think the glue was > deleted because it would seperate after a short time anyway. ps I know some > of you have had these joints hold for a "long time" but a lot of Industry > experience by a lot of companies says unless properly preped, they won't > hold. > Bill Higdon > Willard561@aol.com > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Painting etc.- Cable routing etc. From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:14:55 -0400 X-Message-Number: 13 How many of you guys actually painted your aircraft? Was it worth it or do wish you would have paid an expert ? Mine will be getting this treatment in the next few mos. Any tips would be appreciated. Also, what"s the best way to run the cables etc. through the firewall? What I mean is, one larger hole for everything or several smaller ones for each cable etc. Thanks, Kenny. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Trailer? From: "Paul W. O'Reilly" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:21:52 -0400 X-Message-Number: 14 how about one of the tent deals which winds up looking like a quanset hut= with a zipper? They have an al bent frame and seem to be made of the silver coated canvas. Lots of folks in the New England area store cars i= n them for the winter. Paul Derry NH Canopeeing Away ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KRNet CD-ROM update From: cartera Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:52:58 -0600 X-Message-Number: 15 Keep posts to KRNet brief while I'm gone, so my mailbox > won't fill up. Wife isn't letting me even take the laptop ;o( > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ > "Smart Wife" have a good holiday, Oscar! -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: First flight of the yellow bird From: cartera Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:41:11 -0600 X-Message-Number: 16 "Blandford, Carlton C" wrote: > > Morning Chaps, > > Well, my bird has finally taken to the air on Sunday 27/6 at 12:15pm. It > will definitely be a day that I will remember for a long time. > Unfortunately I don't have all the performance figures as the flight only > lasted 10 minutes. I can report that 1000ft was reached in 45 seconds. > At 1000ft the engine started overheating and eventually lost all it's > coolant. The test pilot had to make an emergency landing. luckily the plane > and pilot are still in one peace. > On inspection we found that air was introduced to the system (this is a high > pressure system) causing the coolant to boil at 125 degrees. Due to the > higher pressure the expansion tank pressure relief cap opened and dumped all > the coolant into the overflow bottle and eventually overboard. > The pilot reported that the planes flight characteristics are fine but tends > to fly with a noise down attitude because of the heavy engine. > > I've repaired the leak in the cooling system and will be testing again this > weekend. > Oil has been sent to the labs for analyses as the engine was exposed to high > temperatures. If the engines reliability has been compromised I will be > replacing the whole installation with a 0-200 continental. > > The building never ends!!!...maybe for some..... > > Regards > > Carlton Blandford > Standard Bank - Integrated Network Services > Tel No: 027 11 636-8372 > Fax No: 027 11 636-3074 > *CBlandford@Mail.SBIC.co.za > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cartera@cuug.ab.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com Congratulations Carlton, First flight one will almost always find something is not quite right, that's what it is all about. If everything went perfect the first time it would be a big let-down. Happy Flying!!! -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailer? From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:28:02 -0400 X-Message-Number: 17 At 07:21 PM 6/30/99 -0400, you wrote: >how about one of the tent deals which winds up looking like a quanset hut >with a zipper? They have an al bent frame and seem to be made of the >silver coated canvas. Lots of folks in the New England area store cars in >them for the winter. There is one of those at our local FBO with an RV6A in it. WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net (new address) mailto:dodger@coincidental.net (old address) http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Progress report From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:11:23 EDT X-Message-Number: 18 In a message dated 99-06-27 22:42:40 EDT, you write: << Fantastic progress. Maybe I can fly with you at next year's Gathering.>> Thanks, but I am even thinking that far. I sill have a loooong way to go. Just found out that the lower front middle spar cap has spall cracks. Last weekend I cut it ot size (it was 84" long). I did varnish the ends with T-88 as soon I got last fall it but the cracks were probably there before. I will order a new one on Monday. It will take two weeks to get it from Canada. I would also wait until the outboard spars are tapered. If I make a mistake, I will can to order those too. Hopefully by the gathering this year it will look like an airplane. If I get enough motivation I'll trailer it to the gathering (I am scared of it becoming a habit though:-) << Dont sweat the carbon fiber. I've never had any problem with it wetting out or otherwise. I love the stuff. Three times stronger and only 6 times the price! Maybe the reason it works so well for me is that I do the layup on plastic first, thereby soaking the back side with epoxy before I even apply it to the slurry-microed foam. And I use Aeropoxy, but I'll bet E-ZPoxy would do great too. At the temperatures you guys operate at, just about anything would wet out. >> I have decided to cover stabilizer with glass and the elevator with carbon fiber. If elevator is not stiff enough, I'll put a strip of carbon later. No use adding weight by unnecesary 'beefing up'. This weekend I hope to keep working on the elevator, complete the front end. and maybe start varnishing the insides of the fuselage. I have not worked on it for a while and there are cowebs small insects running around it. Should have a progress report middle of next week. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:20:40 EDT X-Message-Number: 19 In a message dated 99-06-30 12:34:56 EDT, you write: << I have had a fair amount of experience with glueing aluminum, and unless the surface is prepared properly,ie FPL etch or Boeing anodize process, the aluminum will seperate from the rest of the assy. after a while. So I think the glue was deleted because it would seperate after a short time anyway. ps I know some of you have had these joints hold for a "long time" but a lot of Industry experience by a lot of companies says unless properly preped, they won't hold. >> When I was working with the elevator, I had to take out hinges I had glued with T-88 and han not done any prep. The came out with wood fibers sticking to them. One that I had appied pressure to would not come out at all. I had to heat them up with a heat gun. I did use Alumiprep to glue the engine mount pieces. I also added some plywood and spruce up front to strengthen it. I'll take a picture and give it to Mike to post it on his site. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailer? From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:41:41 -0700 X-Message-Number: 20 On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:36:25 -0700 Ross Youngblood writes: >OK KR-netters. I'm faced with a problem that you can help >solve! > >I was going to change jobs, and stay living in Oregon, when my >current employer up and counters with an opportunity to move >back to Phoenix, AZ, the land of VFR, unlimited ceiling and >unlimited visibility. The problem, no hangar. The waiting >list is 6 years at Chandler Municipal Airport, plus a $150 >deposit. > >So what to do? I'm thinking trailer. Does anyone have a good >enclosed trailer idea? I'm thinking that this will really >hammer my KR, but I can't leave the KR out in the AZ sun, it will >be toasted in a couple of years (UV exposure). > >I will be looking at other options... sharing hangars etc, but >for now, this move has a major negitive. No home for the KR. > >-- Regards > Ross > Add hanger space at a local airport into the negotiations. If they really want you, they'll find a way. Once you get to know the locals, there' susually a way around or an alternate to the waiting list. Of course you can store your plane in my hanger, but it's at least a 2 1/2 flight away even via KR. :o) Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailer? From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:43:10 -0700 X-Message-Number: 21 On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:15:19 -0400 "Wayne DeLisle Sr." writes: > >How about having a custom cover made out of silvered tarp material? > >It could be in 3 pieces, one for each wing, and one for the fuselage, >including the tail feathers. It could be open on the bottom and held on by >bungie cords. > >This is something I've been considering, rather then waiting in line for >hanger space. > >WD >--------------------------------------------------------- >Wayne DeLisle Sr. >Charlotte, North Carolina USA >mailto:dodger@accessnode.net (new address) >mailto:dodger@coincidental.net (old address) >http://accessnode.net/~dodger >--------------------------------------------------------- This is exactly what a friend of mine has done for his Tri-Pacer for the last few years. It seems to be preserving it reasonably well. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: HAPI mag drive From: "Dean Selby" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:51:21 -0700 X-Message-Number: 22 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BEC34B.1279FAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I need the mag drive for a HAPI flywheel and accessory case. I know as = people have broken and damaged flywheels the have used the kit Dan makes = to convert to his flywheel and alternator. Dan suggested I try to find = someone who had converted and had the original drive left as it would = more than likely be in good condition. If anyone has or knows where one = may be please let me know. Thanks in advance to anyone who lets me = know where one is. E-mail me at deans@usit.net with any info. 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I need the mag drive for a HAPI = flywheel and=20 accessory case.  I know as people have broken and damaged flywheels = the=20 have used the kit Dan makes to convert to his flywheel and = alternator.  Dan=20 suggested I try to find someone who had converted and had the original = drive=20 left as it would more than likely be in good condition.  If anyone = has or=20 knows where one may be please let me know.    Thanks in = advance=20 to anyone who lets me know where one is.  E-mail me at deans@usit.net with any = info.
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_004C_01BEC34B.1279FAA0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New Web Site From: FLYKR2S@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 00:25:56 EDT X-Message-Number: 23 Hi KR'ers, I now have a web site. Check it out and let me know what you think. http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI flykr2s@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailer? From: Totryroma@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 02:04:59 EDT X-Message-Number: 24 I was thinking of using trailer storage also. But as I think I read, the KRnet wisdom may not think this is a good idea. What are the problems and what can be done to ameliorate (improve) the problems? Is the problem in the WAF (wing attachment fittings) and the wear on the bolts? Can the attachment be improved without full redesign to allow swinging the wings back as in some other homebuilts? I am half way on a Fisher plane that has this, Sooo, I may have some small experience in this later this year. This will not be the performance plane the KR2S is though. I am planning on covered trailer storage on this one. The trailers do not have to be heavy duty though given the ligher weights of these planes. By the way -- thanks for the bandsaw tips, guys! -- I'm like everyone and have periods of not enough hours in the day! I have not gotten to the point of trying the "aluminum wood", but fully intend to soon! Keep up the valuable chat! Ron Macomber South Sioux City, NE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: FW: New webpage From: "Blandford, Carlton C" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:38:51 +0200 X-Message-Number: 25 -----Original Message----- From: Carlton Blandford [mailto:Genesis2@iafrica.com] Sent: 30 June 1999 12:43 To: cblandford@mail.sbic.co.za Subject: Fw: New webpage -----Original Message----- From: Carlton Blandford < Genesis2@iafrica.com > To: kr-net@telelists.com < kr-net@telelists.com > Date: 01 July 1999 00:14 Subject: New webpage Hi guys, I've got my webpages up and running now . Let me know if there are any problems http://www.geocities.com/pipeline/valley/2636 Enjoy Regards Carlton Blandford --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com