From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Friday, July 02, 1999 12:14 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: July 01, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Thursday, July 01, 1999. 1. Re: Trailer? 2. Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood 3. Re: New Web Site 4. Re: FW: New webpage 5. Re: FW: New webpage 6. Re: New Web Site 7. Re: New Web Site 8. Re: Trailer? 9. project update 10. Re: Trailer? 11. Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood 12. Re: FW: New webpage 13. Re: Trailer? 14. Re: Parts for Sale 15. D-fly vs. KR 16. Re: New Web Site 17. Re: New Web Site 18. Tailpost 19. Nose Down 20. Re: Trailer? 21. Cable routing 22. Re: Trailer? 23. Re: Trailer? 24. Re: Trailer 25. Re: Painting etc.- Cable routing etc. 26. Re: Trailer? 27. 57mm horizon 28. Re: Painting etc.- Cable routing etc. 29. Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood 30. Control cables 31. Re: Control cables 32. Re: Control cables 33. Re: New Web Site 34. Re: Control cables 35. D-fly vs. KR 36. Re: Painting etc.- Cable routing etc. 37. D-fly vs. KR 38. Re: Nose Down 39. Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailer? From: Richard Parker Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 02:35:27 PDT X-Message-Number: 1 They make one specifically for airplanes try www.coverit.com Rich Parker "This year will go down in history. For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future! - Adolph Hitler, 1935 >how about one of the tent deals which winds up looking like a quanset hut >with a zipper? They have an al bent frame and seem to be made of the >silver coated canvas. Lots of folks in the New England area store cars in >them for the winter. > >Paul >Derry NH >Canopeeing Away > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood From: Richard Parker Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 02:41:58 PDT X-Message-Number: 2 I sand blast all my AL parts before glueing them. For you guys that dont have a sand blaster and have small parts to do, fine sand blasting media now comes in aerosol cans. You can find them at craft stores for etching glassware. Rich Parker >From: HAshraf@aol.com >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood >Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:20:40 EDT > >In a message dated 99-06-30 12:34:56 EDT, you write: > ><< I have had a fair amount of experience with glueing aluminum, and unless >the > surface > is prepared properly,ie FPL etch or Boeing anodize process, the aluminum >will > seperate from the rest of the assy. after a while. So I think the glue >was > deleted because it would seperate after a short time anyway. ps I know >some > of you have had these joints hold for a "long time" but a lot of Industry > experience by a lot of companies says unless properly preped, they won't > hold. >> > >When I was working with the elevator, I had to take out hinges I had glued >with T-88 and han not done any prep. The came out with wood fibers sticking >to them. One that I had appied pressure to would not come out at all. I had >to heat them up with a heat gun. > >I did use Alumiprep to glue the engine mount pieces. I also added some >plywood and spruce up front to strengthen it. I'll take a picture and give >it to Mike to post it on his site. > >Haris > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New Web Site From: Richard Parker Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 02:57:32 PDT X-Message-Number: 3 Wow, you have gotten a lot done since March 98! I'm suprised you even had time to fabricate the secdond child in that timeframe. Your site was motivating to me since we started around the same time. I've got to get through this house move and get my butt in gear. Bought a bigger house and tripled my building space (my wife thought it was because we wanted another bedroom ;-) huh! Rich Parker >From: FLYKR2S@aol.com >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] New Web Site >Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 00:25:56 EDT > >Hi KR'ers, >I now have a web site. Check it out and let me know what you think. > >http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Waukesha, WI >flykr2s@aol.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FW: New webpage From: Richard Parker Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 03:03:14 PDT X-Message-Number: 4 The question is are you going to fly it to Kentucky in September? >From: "Blandford, Carlton C" >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] FW: New webpage >Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:38:51 +0200 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Carlton Blandford [mailto:Genesis2@iafrica.com] >Sent: 30 June 1999 12:43 >To: cblandford@mail.sbic.co.za >Subject: Fw: New webpage > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Carlton Blandford < Genesis2@iafrica.com > > > >To: kr-net@telelists.com < >kr-net@telelists.com > >Date: 01 July 1999 00:14 >Subject: New webpage > > >Hi guys, > >I've got my webpages up and running now . > >Let me know if there are any problems > >http://www.geocities.com/pipeline/valley/2636 > > >Enjoy > >Regards >Carlton Blandford > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FW: New webpage From: "Blandford, Carlton C" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:45:59 +0200 X-Message-Number: 5 I wish I could, it's the trip across the Atlantic that worries Me. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker [mailto:richontheroad@hotmail.com] Sent: 01 July 1999 12:03 To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Re: FW: New webpage The question is are you going to fly it to Kentucky in September? >From: "Blandford, Carlton C" >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] FW: New webpage >Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:38:51 +0200 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Carlton Blandford [mailto:Genesis2@iafrica.com] >Sent: 30 June 1999 12:43 >To: cblandford@mail.sbic.co.za >Subject: Fw: New webpage > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Carlton Blandford < Genesis2@iafrica.com > > > >To: kr-net@telelists.com < >kr-net@telelists.com > >Date: 01 July 1999 00:14 >Subject: New webpage > > >Hi guys, > >I've got my webpages up and running now . > >Let me know if there are any problems > >http://www.geocities.com/pipeline/valley/2636 > > >Enjoy > >Regards >Carlton Blandford > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: CBlandford@mail.sbic.co.za To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New Web Site From: "John Weikel" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 06:24:18 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 Mark, I really enjoyed looking at your website. The pictures are great. I see that you have solved the belly board linkage problem and I sure would like to see how you did it. Do you by chance have a picture of the linkage without the seat in place? The picture of how you routed the aileron cable around the LG bracket sure solved that problem for me. Thanks, John W KR-2S RW-6 Kerrville, Tx -----Original Message----- From: FLYKR2S@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 11:25 PM Subject: [kr-net] New Web Site >Hi KR'ers, >I now have a web site. Check it out and let me know what you think. > >http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Waukesha, WI >flykr2s@aol.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jandd@maverickbbs.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New Web Site From: FLYKR2S@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:36:05 EDT X-Message-Number: 7 In a message dated 7/1/99 6:26:22 AM Central Daylight Time, jandd@maverickbbs.com writes: << I see that you have solved the belly board linkage problem and I sure would like to see how you did it. Do you by chance have a picture of the linkage >> Hi John, Sorry, the picture showing the handle for the bellyboard is just the handle. That is as far as I have gotten. I am still designing the linkage and board. Check my site later as I will frequently update it. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI flykr2s@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailer? From: cobrajad jad Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 05:20:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Message-Number: 8 Hello all I'm a prospective KR builder in NH. Actually, i'm trying to decide whether to build a KR-2S or a Dragonfly.....yeah yeah...i know...i can see all of you rolling your eyes now!! I've chatted with Rich Parker a bit and would like to find other KR builders in the seacoast NH area...including Maine and Mass to chat with and see a real live KR...since both the KR and the Dragonfly are just pictures and performance figures on a page to me now. I would appreciate any KR builder's input and would like the opportunity to stop in and see how a KR goes together. Any takers? Jim Dixon --- Richard Parker wrote: > They make one specifically for airplanes try > www.coverit.com > > Rich Parker > > "This year will go down in history. For the first > time a civilized nation > has full gun registration! Our streets will be > safer, our police more > efficient, and the world will follow our lead into > the future! - Adolph > Hitler, 1935 > > >how about one of the tent deals which winds up > looking like a quanset hut > >with a zipper? They have an al bent frame and seem > to be made of the > >silver coated canvas. Lots of folks in the New > England area store cars in > >them for the winter. > > > >Paul > >Derry NH > >Canopeeing Away > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: > richontheroad@hotmail.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit > http://www.msn.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: > cobrajad@yahoo.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: project update From: "Mark Langford" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:45:36 -0500 X-Message-Number: 9 KRNetHeads, I'm back to averaging 20 hours a week and have updated my project info at the bottom of http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kmarkl.html . It details upper wing skin construction and my aileron/flap control system. It's a little different... I may be sanding the outside contours of the wing before the weekend's over! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailer? From: Richard Parker Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 05:54:34 PDT X-Message-Number: 10 Well you are on the right track. I think just about everyone on this list started out trying to make the decision whether to build a D-fly or a Kr. Rich Parker >Hello all > >I'm a prospective KR builder in NH. Actually, i'm trying to decide >whether to build a KR-2S or a Dragonfly.....yeah yeah...i know...i can >see all of you rolling your eyes now!! > >I've chatted with Rich Parker a bit and would like to find other KR >builders in the seacoast NH area...including Maine and Mass to chat >with and see a real live KR...since both the KR and the Dragonfly are >just pictures and performance figures on a page to me now. > >I would appreciate any KR builder's input and would like the >opportunity to stop in and see how a KR goes together. Any takers? > >Jim Dixon _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood From: Willard561@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:47:31 EDT X-Message-Number: 11 In a message dated 7/1/99 3:42:28 AM Mountain Daylight Time, richontheroad@hotmail.com writes: << I sand blast all my AL parts before glueing them. For you guys that dont have a sand blaster and have small parts to do, fine sand blasting media now comes in aerosol cans. You can find them at craft stores for etching glassware. >> Rich: We tried sand blasting, it helped but the glue line was still breaking down after about a year. These parts were ion chambers that lived in a very tame environment, (clean rooms) with no major temp cycles low humidity etc. I will triy & get my scanner running and post a copy of Martin Hollmans article on aluminum bonding from an old kit planes. Bill Higdon Willard561@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FW: New webpage From: Willard561@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:52:28 EDT X-Message-Number: 12 In a message dated 7/1/99 4:48:24 AM Mountain Daylight Time, CBlandford@mail.sbic.co.za writes: << I wish I could, it's the trip across the Atlantic that worries Me. >> Hey my father made the trip from Brazil to Africa in a B-24 & then Ireland to Greenland to New Foundland, & the KR is a factor of 10 safer than a LIberator. Bill Higdon ps Ken Rand was talking about using the long winged KR-1 (KR-1B) to fly to Italy at one point. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailer? From: Tlongcrier@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:46:29 EDT X-Message-Number: 13 www.coverit.com reports unknown host. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Parts for Sale From: "Neal Hinman" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 08:56:40 -0500 X-Message-Number: 14 I am interested in the turtledeck,stick assembly, firewall, and bellcrank assembly. Please E-Mail me back at jmyenter@netins.net with what you need for these pieces and I will send out a check Pronto! P.S. I have no baby on the way and you can ship at my cost UPS. Thankyou Neal Hinman ---------- > From: Dean Collette > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Parts for Sale > Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 12:10 PM > > Back in October I had offered a few parts for sale that I had gotten form a > project that I acquired as a 'donor." Most of the parts were sold at that > time, but one guy who agreed to buy several of the parts, asked me to hold > on to them for awhile while he arranged shipping. Then he asked me to hold > on to them because his wife was having a baby, and then . . . Well, here we > are almost 9 months later and I still have these parts. Since he won't > return emails or phone calls, and I don't want these things in my basement, > they are back up for sale. > > Here's what I have; > - Premolded KR-2 Turtledeck > - Engine Cowling. For Great Plains or other standard VW > - Engine Mount. For Great Plains or Revmaster > - Stainless firewall dimensioned to the standard KR-2 template > - RR Control Stick assembly > - 1 Set of Aileron Bellcranks. Built to specs. (see drawing 58, pg 63 of the > manual) I didn't build them, but they look good. > > Please respond offline if you are interested. I can send pictures if you > want. Best offer takes. For the bigger stuff that would normally need to go > by truck, I will hold that until OSH if you are heading that way. O.K., > maybe I could be convinced to bring something to the gathering - we'll talk. > > Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin > mailto:drdean@execpc.com > Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jmyenter@netins.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: D-fly vs. KR From: Tobin Dunham Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 08:02:12 PDT X-Message-Number: 15 I know exactly what you're saying. The Dragonfly and KR-2 are very comparable in size, price, and specs. The reason I chose to go with the KR is that there's more of them flying. That means a better builder-support network and more general expertise on the hows and whys of the aircraft I'm building. This kr-net group is absolutely fantastic... Anyway, does anyone know where I can get some good info on aluminum materials? My industry mostly works with carbon steel and stainless steel, so I'm an expert on those but an idiot on aluminum. I think a lot of these assemblies (pulley brackets, bellcranks, etc.) I can have fabricated here at work. I would like to use stainless steel, but to attain comparable weight and strength, I should reduce the thickness of material. I just need a starting point for weight and strength properties of these different grades of aluminum. Thanks, Toby Dunham Houston, TX P.S. I was told by an unofficial source that you are required to wear a personal parachute during flight testing of an experimental aircraft. Is this true? And if so, what is required as far as parachute training? I've never heard of this before.... _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New Web Site From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:03:24 -0400 X-Message-Number: 16 Rich: Just visited ur web site. Nice site and nice work. It's items like urs that convince me I'm on the right track just a bit behind. Thanks W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: Richard Parker > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: New Web Site > Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 5:57 AM > > Wow, you have gotten a lot done since March 98! I'm suprised you even had > time to fabricate the secdond child in that timeframe. > > Your site was motivating to me since we started around the same time. I've > got to get through this house move and get my butt in gear. Bought a bigger > house and tripled my building space (my wife thought it was because we > wanted another bedroom ;-) huh! > > Rich Parker > > > >From: FLYKR2S@aol.com > >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > >To: "KR-net users group" > >Subject: [kr-net] New Web Site > >Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 00:25:56 EDT > > > >Hi KR'ers, > >I now have a web site. Check it out and let me know what you think. > > > >http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > > > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > >Waukesha, WI > >flykr2s@aol.com > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New Web Site From: "Rick Hubka" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 09:20:56 -0600 X-Message-Number: 17 Hey Mark. Great homepage and amazing progress for 15 months. Are you unemployed? (just kidding). How many hours have you put in so far? Are you also getting the 2180 engine from Great Pains and if yes are you getting the rear drive? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: KR-net users group Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 10:25 PM Subject: [kr-net] New Web Site > Hi KR'ers, > I now have a web site. Check it out and let me know what you think. > > http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Waukesha, WI > flykr2s@aol.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rick@hubka.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Tailpost From: "T.Flemming" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:51:24 -0500 X-Message-Number: 18 I am fixing to install the plywood sides and have a question about the tailpost. Where the longerons attach to the tailpost, causes a shallow (V). The plywood sides wouldn't be able to make this inside curve. So did ya'll taper the sides of the tailpost or did ya'll add some spruce to smooth the transition from longeron to tailpost. Thanks, Trent & Kellie Flemming tflemming@texramp.net www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/9098 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Nose Down From: Ron Freiberger Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 11:09:08 -0500 X-Message-Number: 19 He said "flight characteristics are fine but tends to fly with a noise down attitude because of the heavy engine". A heavy ENGINE (AKA heavy airplane) would fly nose high to force enough attitude to create the lift. Angle of attack. This sounds like the typical KR2 3.5 degree angle of the wing. Flying a bit nose low may be preferred for vision and comfort ????? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailer? From: N71476@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:46:57 EDT X-Message-Number: 20 I have a hangar in Glendale. It is a little expensive 235 but at least it keeps the baby out of the sun. They are building several new hangars at Goodyear. They will be going for around the 150's. You can just about always get a hangar at Glendale because of the price. Or you can get a home at Stelar in the mid 400's that have a hangar and runway attached. But that to is a little pricey for most people. Let me know I will look around for you..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Cable routing From: Oscar Zuniga Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 09:51:45 PDT X-Message-Number: 21 Kenny wrote: >what"s the best way to run the cables etc. through the firewall? >What I >mean is, one larger hole for >everything or several smaller ones for each cable etc Tony Bingelis recommends you use a separate fitting for each penetration, but that's for control cables and fuel lines. Reason is for ease of working on one at a time as much as it is for insuring fire integrity around the penetration. For wires (especially small ones), I think if they are bundled you could pass several through the same sleeve, and if you were thinking ahead and put connectors or termination strip at one end, you could disconnect the wires and pull them through the firewall fairly easily if you needed to. Otherwise it's time to cut and re-crimp ;o( Bingelis has several nice simple details for firewall fittings. The easiest are two-piece ones made from flat sheet metal or stainless. Harder ones to make have the depression or 'dimple' in the middle. You can also buy the fittings from the usual sources. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailer? From: N71476@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:55:03 EDT X-Message-Number: 22 Ha. Just try and get hangar space in the Phoenix area your will have better luck getting a large lot in the desert and build your own runway.... Minimum 5 year wait any place here in Phoenix ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailer? From: N71476@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:57:04 EDT X-Message-Number: 23 Be careful we get Thunder storms that drop hail some time here also. You need to think about that . That is why I have a hangar not the sun..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailer From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:09:50 EDT X-Message-Number: 24 I bought a new 16' car carrier with dual wheels and electric brakes locally for 1,250. It had a 2x6" deck and a welded angle iron frame one foot up from the deck even with the tops of the wheel fenders. Built a 3/4 " plywood box, bolted to the angle iron and faired out at the fenders for the spars on the KR2S. Kept the top rather low and built slings on the sides (inside) for the wings. Have straps bolted to the floor to secure the fuselage. Now I have a rather inexpensive, traveling hanger. The trailer is overkill from a capacity standpoint but we unbolt the box and use it for other things. Now I just have to finish the KR. Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Painting etc.- Cable routing etc. From: Bobby Muse Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 13:23:58 -0500 X-Message-Number: 25 At 06:14 PM 06/30/1999 -0400, you wrote: >How many of you guys actually painted your aircraft? Was it worth it or >do wish you would have paid an expert ? Mine will be getting this >treatment in the next few mos. >Any tips would be appreciated. Also, what"s the best way to run the >cables etc. through the firewall? What I mean is, one larger hole for >everything or several smaller ones for each cable etc. Thanks, Kenny. > >_ I painted my KR in the driveway at home using automotive basecoat/clearcoat. It is easy, expensive and very forgiving. I researched everything that I could about painting but after reading how simple basecoat/clearcoat is(book said that a thirteen year old could do it), I figured that I could do it. I believe it looks O.K.. Never did buff it out, maybe one day I will. On cables thru the firewall... It is easier to seal small holes than one large hole. Bobby Muse mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com Wimberly, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Trailer? From: Richard Parker Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 11:58:03 PDT X-Message-Number: 26 Sorry its www.cover-it-inc.com RP >From: Tlongcrier@aol.com > >www.coverit.com reports unknown host. > >--- _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 57mm horizon From: donald.norris@natinst.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:59:55 -0500 X-Message-Number: 27 Can anyone lead me to the location of a 57mm(2.25 inch) art horizon? I have a friend in Europe that is looking for one. Thanks to all who respond and have a Happy, Safe holiday. I am starting mine right now. -Donald 38TF ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Painting etc.- Cable routing etc. From: Horn2004@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:13:53 EDT X-Message-Number: 28 In a message dated 7/1/99 2:12:03 PM, bmuse@mindspring.com writes: <> I'll attest to the fact that Bobby's paint looks real good. Nice and slick, no runs, no sags, no orange peel, and no blushing. Course I imagine his trophy case will attest to that fact also. Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood From: cartera Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 14:50:22 -0600 X-Message-Number: 29 Richard Parker wrote: > > I sand blast all my AL parts before glueing them. For you guys that dont > have a sand blaster and have small parts to do, fine sand blasting media now > comes in aerosol cans. You can find them at craft stores for etching > glassware. Hi Netters, Just a cautionary on sandblasting. A long time ago I was cautioned on using anything on the aircraft that has been sand blasted. You will never see a sandblaster in a hanger but a bead blaster, yes. For anything on an aircraft, motorcycle, or engine rebuilding - glass beads are used and not silica sand. I have seen it under a microscope and there is a lot of sand embedded in any material. Take a look. Happy Flying! -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Control cables From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 06:49:37 PDT X-Message-Number: 30 Control cable material is available both in galvanized and stainless. The price difference, for the quantity of cable we need for our projects, is relatively insignificant. Has anybody used stainless? I see it takes different Nico sleeves, too. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Control cables From: Willard561@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 18:47:21 EDT X-Message-Number: 31 In a message dated 7/1/99 4:20:28 PM Mountain Daylight Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: << Control cable material is available both in galvanized and stainless. The price difference, for the quantity of cable we need for our projects, is relatively insignificant. Has anybody used stainless? I see it takes different Nico sleeves, too. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/ >> The biggest difference that I can remeber is the amount of stretch that will occur, I can remeber Pete Bowers talking about it with respect to the Fly Baby, but I can't remeber which one he said was the preferable one Bill Higdon Willard561@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Control cables From: "Mark Langford" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:49:57 -0500 X-Message-Number: 32 Oscar wrote: > Control cable material is available both in galvanized and stainless. The > price difference, for the quantity of cable we need for our projects, is > relatively insignificant. Has anybody used stainless? I used stainless on my rudder cables because they're straight and are exposed. Galvanized is much more flexible, which I used on my ailerons because of the tight radius on the return pullies at the ends of the spars. Galvanized is what you get from Wicks (and others I suspect) when you order KR parts. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New Web Site From: FLYKR2S@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:28:15 EDT X-Message-Number: 33 In a message dated 7/1/99 11:33:24 AM Central Daylight Time, rick@hubka.com writes: << amazing progress for 15 months. Are you unemployed? (just kidding). How many hours have you put in so far? Are you also getting the 2180 engine from Great Pains >> Hi Rick, Thanks for the comments. Yea, I still have to work. You see, with two babies, a KR2S and a wife, retirement looks a long way off. I have trained myself to only sleep six hours a day. I don't keep track of building hours so I can't say how many hours I have in my project. I will be using the Great Plains 2180 with all the options. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI flykr2s@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Control cables From: Donald Reid Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 20:12:46 -0400 X-Message-Number: 34 Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > Control cable material is available both in galvanized and stainless. The > price difference, for the quantity of cable we need for our projects, is > relatively insignificant. Has anybody used stainless? I see it takes > different Nico sleeves, too. > I used stainless. No particular reason that I remember. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: D-fly vs. KR From: William Zorc <73101.157@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:47:46 -0400 X-Message-Number: 35 Toby, If you reduce the thickness from the aluminum to use stainless steel, you will get a more flexible part. Not something you would want for say, an aileron bracket, etc. Also, a parachute is NOT required for flight testing, but I personally would not fly without one. (I' ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Painting etc.- Cable routing etc. From: "terry chizek" Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:52:54 -0500 X-Message-Number: 36 > How many of you guys actually painted your aircraft? Was it worth it or > do wish you would have paid an expert ? Mine will be getting this > treatment in the next few mos. > Any tips would be appreciated. Also, what"s the best way to run the > cables etc. through the firewall? What I mean is, one larger hole for > everything or several smaller ones for each cable etc. Thanks, Kenny. Just got done painting my Kr2 this week was going to get it done professionlly but decided that all the work is getting ready to paint the I bought one of the new gravity feed spray gun that made the difference in my painting it works really well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: D-fly vs. KR From: William Zorc <73101.157@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 23:51:29 -0400 X-Message-Number: 37 Tony, Sorry, I hit the wrong key and only sent the first part of my message. As I mentioned. parachutes are not required for flight testing,but certainly are nice to have. Training is available in many areas. You can contact the USPA (United States Parachute Association) for local groups. Sincerely, Bill Zorc ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Nose Down From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 21:24:55 -0700 X-Message-Number: 38 On Thu, 01 Jul 1999 11:09:08 -0500 Ron Freiberger writes: >He said "flight characteristics are fine but tends > to fly with a noise down attitude because of the heavy engine". > >A heavy ENGINE (AKA heavy airplane) would fly nose high to force enough >attitude to create the lift. Angle of attack. > >This sounds like the typical KR2 3.5 degree angle of the wing. Flying a bit >nose low may be preferred for vision and comfort ????? > I ran into the same problem with mine (Cont C-85) and have posted a few times regarding what I consider to be an incorrect incidence of the horizontal stab. There simply wasn't enough nose up trim. Full nose up trim in mine on the first flight was about 150 mph indicated. Tom Crawford (type 4 VW) also had a similar problem only not quite so bad. Of course this can all be fixed with a larger horizontal stab mounted at the correct incidence. I did reflex the ailerons up a little and that tended to help with the lack of nose up trim. Ultimately, I added some trim wedges underneath the trailing edge ot the elevator. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: T-88 or E-Z Poxy to glue Aluminum to wood From: Michael Taglieri Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 22:00:30 -0400 X-Message-Number: 39 >We tried sand blasting, it helped but the glue line was still breaking down after about >a year. These parts were ion chambers that lived in a very tame environment, (clean >rooms) with no major temp cycles low humidity etc. I will triy & get my >scanner running and post a copy of Martin Hollmans article on aluminum >bonding from an old kit planes. There was an article in EAA Experimenter within the last year or so on proper surface preparation of metal for bonding with T-88. Mike Taglieri _____________________________________________ "Fundamentally the marksman aims at himself." - from Zen And the Art of Archery ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. 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