From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 1999 12:13 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: July 10, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Saturday, July 10, 1999. 1. Control balancing 2. Re: Control balancing 3. Re: POSA needle 4. Re: Keeping rear fuse straight (was DF Canopy) 5. Re: D-Fly Canopy - Credit Cards 6. Re: ?? Canopy $250.CDN each 7. Re: Control balancing 8. Re: ?? Canopy $250.CDN each 9. Re: D-Fly Canopy - Bottom Line 10. antenna electrical question 11. Re: POSA needle 12. Re: antenna electrical question 13. Arlington "99 14. New AC 43.13-1b 15. Re: New AC 43.13-1b 16. Re: canopy tints 17. Re: Arlington "99 18. Re: Arlington "99 19. Re: antenna electrical question 20. Re: canopy tints ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Control balancing From: "John Martindale" Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 1:34:12 X-Message-Number: 1 Hi folks Finished rudder and elevator.....but how do I balance them? Where does thw weight go? Do you add a horn somewhere? Plans don't say? See Ya John. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Control balancing From: Donald Reid Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:16:23 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 John Martindale wrote: > > Hi folks > > Finished rudder and elevator.....but how do I balance them? Where does thw > weight go? Do you add a horn somewhere? Plans don't say? The plans don't say, because Rand never did it. Balancing of the ailerons was all that Rand specified. The additional balance is something that is generally a good practice. As to how, go the the various web sites and take a look at how the other people have done it. With a few exceptions, the balance weight is at the outer end of the control surface and shaped like a rib. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: POSA needle From: marmet Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:18:16 -0400 X-Message-Number: 3 I for one, would also be interested to have the set screw mod. Is it possible to have it scanned and sent through KRnet? J.C. Marcoux Quebec City, Canada KR2 C-GZFF > > > > > Paul, There was a mod to the posa 15-years ago, adding a set screw to > prevent the needle from turning. I don't have a copy of that mod/change but > if you don't receive a copy let me know.. I know my Dad has a copy. > > Bobby Muse > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > Wimberly, TX > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: marmet2@videotron.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Keeping rear fuse straight (was DF Canopy) From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:41:39 EDT X-Message-Number: 4 In a message dated 99-07-10 02:17:38 EDT, you write: << After 2 weeks of clamping and jigging I finally T-88'ed (1) cross brace between my 2 fuse sides tonight. I just would not epoxy till the blumb bob & I were satisfied. Hopefully I can get back to making some progress now. >> I learned a way to keep the rear two sides of the fuse straight during gluing the cross braces. I clamped an elevator spar to the rear of each the sides of the fuse, which kept them perfectly straight. Then I made the cross members and glued them in. Without the spars clamped there was always some waviness when I eyballed from the rear. The sides also tend to bow out and have to be braced. Using this method, the rear fuse really straight. Lost almost a month in the process before I came up with this idea, which I am sure has been tried before. One other thing did was to add a little taper to the rudder post. I had bought wood that was 2.00" wide, instead of 1.75", which is specified per plans. I tapered it to 2.0" at to top longeron to 1.75 at the bottom longeron. Now I have some 0.25" extra space for the elevator horn, balance etc. and the fuselage taper extends all the way from pilot area to the rudder which gives a little better visual effect. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: D-Fly Canopy - Credit Cards From: JEHayward@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 11:06:25 EDT X-Message-Number: 5 In a message dated 7/9/99 11:49:22 PM Mountain Daylight Time, jscott.pilot@juno.com writes: << > I really can't imagine who would be "tapped" into Dean's e-mail in hopes of > getting someone's credit card #. I'll be sending mine to him via private e-mail. > > Jim Hayward > Rapid City, SD > As a network and systems admin during my day job, I would say that you might be shocked at how many people can and do have sniffer programs that monitor networks just for number sequences like credit cards. My recommendation would be to send it to him via US Mail. $.02 worth of my professional expertise. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM >> Thanks, Jeff.....as an electronics tech for the past 35 years, I can understand your point.......advice taken! I'll call when he posts his times. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ?? Canopy $250.CDN each From: "Jim Sellars" Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:16:33 -0300 X-Message-Number: 6 Rick; This is a very small fabricator, who would and will make a canopy out of lexan or any other product you want, I believe that it is 3\16 thick and the size, shape, tint, are all variables that can be worked up. He is prepared to make these things for me at about $250- 300 CDN per. I gave him the RR canopy frame that I had to use as a mold pattern. It needed to be trimmed to my esthetic image of how it should look. Either bulbing up like the RR picture or very laid back like the dragonfly canopies, was a matter of how I trimmed the bubble that he made. Whether it's allowed to be wide or is forced to be tighter as per the RR KR2 standard cockpit, was a matter of sizing the bubble to conform to my airplane. The issue I believe is that you would need to do the same with a dragonfly canopy anyway, trim it to size, and bond it to your canopy frame. Therefore, half price or better might be the way to go. Regards Jim -----Original Message----- From: Rick Hubka To: KR-net users group Date: July 9, 1999 1:47 AM Subject: [kr-net] ?? Canopy $250.CDN each >Hi Jim > >>> like the one I am using on my plane > >Is this a DF clone? Does the manufacturer have a web site? Do you have a >picture(gif file) you can send me. I'll post it on my site. >What is the width, height, length, thickness. Can they be tinted? >Thats about $175.00 US and worth investigation, but > >>> Let me know if I should place the order > >will not cut it with this group. Unless a dozen potential DF canopy >purchasers can be 99% satisfied about what they are getting I think they >will pass dispite the great price. > >More info please Jim. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jim Sellars >To: KR-net users group >Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 12:14 PM >Subject: [kr-net] Re: DF Canopy KR group purchase : 9 and counting > > >> Hello Folks; I must start by apologizing about not getting back to the >> group more timely and with better info, but seeing the comments here I >asked >> my plastics fabricator to work me up a price for a production run of 20 >odd >> canopies. This is the problem with small fabricators, of course they have >> to break down the shop after each run so a "one off", is less appealing to >> him then a run where he might actually make a buck. Having said that he >is >> offering to make and ship canopies like the one I am using on my plane for >> about $ 250.CDN per. Let me know if I should place the order. Regards >Jim >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Mullins >> To: KR-net users group >> Date: July 8, 1999 8:34 AM >> Subject: [kr-net] DF Canopy KR group purchase : 9 and counting >> >> >> >How about a show of hands for those interested. If anyone lives near >> >their new location maybe we can ask them to volunteer to be our voice. >> > >> >Rick Hubka >> >Calgary, Alberta, Canada >> >rick@hubka.com >> > >> > >> >Richard Parker wrote: >> > >> > My hand is up. >> > >> > Rich Parker >> > Jaffrey, NH >> > >> > >> >Mine is up also! >> > >> >David Mullins >> >Nashua, NH >> > >> >dmullins@ici.net >> > >> > >> >--- >> >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jsellars@mon.auracom.com >> >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >> > >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rick@hubka.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >> >> > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jsellars@mon.auracom.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Control balancing From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:30:03 -0700 X-Message-Number: 7 John Martindale wrote: > > Hi folks > > Finished rudder and elevator.....but how do I balance them? Where does thw > weight go? Do you add a horn somewhere? Plans don't say? Well that's because the stock KR does not have a balanced rudder or elevator. I have heard from more than one KR flyer that they felt the balance weight was not needed on the elevator and or rudder. Heck I even know some who removed the balance weight after they flew for a few years. That being said I built my rudder so I could balance it and I added an external balance to the elevator. I don't have any good pictures of it. Maybe during the next photo shoot I will remember to take a few. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ?? Canopy $250.CDN each From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:33:47 -0700 X-Message-Number: 8 Jim Sellars wrote: > > Rick; This is a very small fabricator, who would and will make a canopy out > of lexan or any other product you want, I believe that it is 3\16 thick and > the size, shape, tint, are all variables that can be worked up. >>>>>> Jim, a picture would be worth a ,......... well you get the idea! :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: D-Fly Canopy - Bottom Line From: Michael Taglieri Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 15:05:30 -0400 X-Message-Number: 9 Just because you can't "imagine" something doesn't mean it's not true. E-mail goes through many sites before it gets from sender to recipient, and there are programs out there specifically designed by credit card thieves to monitor the Internet and screen e-mail for credit-card numbers. I also notice that you're on AOL, which might be where crooks would focus their attention, since it's the biggest system and gets new users all the time. If you've already sent your number to Dean via an unsecured e-mail, you should scrutinize all charges on your card statements from now on, at least for a few months, to see that you recognize them and remember charging them. It might be just easier to cancel that card number now and get a new one, which would only take a few days. > I really can't imagine who would be "tapped" into Dean's e-mail in hopes of > getting someone's credit card #. I'll be sending mine to him via private e-mail. > > Jim Hayward > Rapid City, SD ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: antenna electrical question From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:03:43 -0500 X-Message-Number: 10 AntennaHeads, I just built a "Weir Special" base station antenna from plans that were detailed in the July 88 Kitplanes article "Make Your Own Base Station Antenna". I figured I'd put my new Terra TX-750D to work for a little while to make sure I won't need to use the warranty before my plane ever flies. And besides, I wouldn't mind the motivation of listening to all these folks in the pattern at Moontown airport. Anyway, this antenna is basically 1/2" copper tubing in the shape of a "J" about 70" tall, with the braided part of the coax fastened to the bottom of the tall element(radiator), and the center conductor fastened to the bottom of the short element (reflector). That's a direct short, in my book, and not surprisingly my ohmeter reads .9 Ohms at the other end of the coax (50' away in my basement). Should I be worried about frying my new radio with this setup? The reason I ask is because my AmeriKing ELT has a little whip antenna that shows about 500 Ohms between it's terminals. I haven't powered it up yet, but I'd love to hear any comments that you "sparky" boys have to make. What kind of resistance should I be seeing? I know impedence is different from resistance, but I'm still concerned enough to ask before I leap. I'll detail this antenna construction later, but right now my digital camera's on vacation in Alaska for the week... Thanks in advance, Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: POSA needle From: "Paul W. O'Reilly" Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:30:53 -0400 X-Message-Number: 11 I also would like to see the posa set screw mod. Paul Beechman @ Compuserve.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: antenna electrical question From: Willard561@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:26:20 EDT X-Message-Number: 12 In a message dated 7/10/99 3:14:37 PM Mountain Daylight Time, langford@hiwaay.net writes: << The reason I ask is because my AmeriKing ELT has a little whip antenna that shows about 500 Ohms between it's terminals. I haven't powered it up yet, but I'd love to hear any comments that you "sparky" boys have to make. What kind of resistance should I be seeing? I know impedence is different from resistance, but I'm still concerned enough to ask before I leap. >> Mark: Both the ELT and handheld radio are 50 Impedance so a good 50 match should be ok. Also most transmitters will tolerate a fairly large mismatch, if you only use the handheld as a reciever there isn't a problem Bill Higdon Willard561@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Arlington "99 From: "Monet Laigo" Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:51:28 X-Message-Number: 13 July 10, 1999 Hello fellow netters, I have gone to the EAA Arlington Fly-in today and yesterday. I wanted to meet my fellow netters that were there this 10AM at the snack place at the end of the EAA chapter building. Unfortunately, I did not arrive there till almost noon. Needless to say that I had missed my group of potential new friends. There were 2 KR2's there yesterday, today there was only 1, and it was for sale (trailer included) for $8.200.00. There were a set of plans in the "fly market" for a KR-2S for a hundred plus bucks too. How does that work out? Would RR allow you to build on plans that didn't come from them? Also, yesterday, I had met a fellow named BUD (I'm sorry, I forgot your surname) who was also in the process of building his wings. The scanned photo showed his bird upright, boat finished,and extended some. Also in his photo were two of his cute assistants. He sez that he already has 500hrs invested (his spars were on too). I was really looking forward to meeting my KR "relatives", so maybe next time. Fairwinds, Monet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New AC 43.13-1b From: David Mullins Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:23:05 -0400 X-Message-Number: 14 Just a note for everyone that the new AC 43.13-1b is available (Adobe acrobat PDF format) for download at: http://www.moneypit.net/~pratt/ac43/ It is broken up into chapters for downloading. Be careful of hitting the print button as the whole book is 660 pages long. Ask me how I know? Dave M Nashua, NH ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New AC 43.13-1b From: Ron Lee Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 21:53:47 -0600 X-Message-Number: 15 At 11:23 PM 7/10/99 -0400, you wrote: >Just a note for everyone that the new AC 43.13-1b is available (Adobe >acrobat PDF format) for download at: > >http://www.moneypit.net/~pratt/ac43/ > >It is broken up into chapters for downloading. Be careful of hitting >the print button as the whole book is 660 pages long. Ask me how I know? > > >Dave M >Nashua, NH Do you know if a MS Word version is available. I HATE Adobe Acrobat. Ron Lee ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: canopy tints From: GREG S MARTIN Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:01:47 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 I have a question. If your canopy is tinted, are you not allowed night flights even with legal lighting? Happy building and/or flying Greg Martin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Arlington "99 From: "Mel Poradun" Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:00:08 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 Well Marvin Mccoy and I were There at 10:00 Sat. and had a great visit. sorry we missed you. We will try again next year. I saw 2 KR2's at the fly-in one from Idaho and another from Lynwood , WA. The last one was trailored in and for sale. Hope to see more people they next Year because it is a large airshow with many airplanes(Homebuilts and commercial built. Mel Poradun mporadun@wa.freei.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Monet Laigo To: KR-net users group Sent: Saturday, July 10, 1999 4:51 PM Subject: [kr-net] Arlington "99 > July 10, 1999 > > Hello fellow netters, I have gone to the EAA Arlington Fly-in today and > yesterday. I wanted to meet my fellow netters that were there this 10AM > at the snack place at the end of the EAA chapter building. Unfortunately, > I did not arrive there till almost noon. Needless to say that I had missed > my group of potential new friends. There were 2 KR2's there yesterday, > today there was only 1, and it was for sale (trailer included) for > $8.200.00. There were a set of plans in the "fly market" for a KR-2S for > a hundred plus bucks too. How does that work out? Would RR allow you to > build on plans that didn't come from them? > Also, yesterday, I had met a fellow named BUD (I'm sorry, I forgot your > surname) who was also in the process of building his wings. The scanned > photo showed his bird upright, boat finished,and extended some. Also in his > photo were two of his cute assistants. He sez that he already has 500hrs > invested (his spars were on too). > I was really looking forward to meeting my KR "relatives", so maybe next > time. > Fairwinds, > Monet > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: mporadun@wa.freei.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Arlington "99 From: MARVIN MCCOY Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 10:18:42 -0700 X-Message-Number: 18 Monet Laigo wrote: > > July 10, 1999 > > Hello fellow netters, I have gone to the EAA Arlington Fly-in today and > yesterday. I wanted to meet my fellow netters that were there this 10AM > at the snack place at the end of the EAA chapter building. Unfortunately, > I did not arrive there till almost noon. Needless to say that I had missed > my group of potential new friends. There were 2 KR2's there yesterday, > today there was only 1, and it was for sale (trailer included) for > $8.200.00. ----------------------- Monet: Sorry I missed you. I met several other KR builders there. Ed Nelson flew his VERY NICE KR2, with a contintal 075, in Saturday from Idaho. It had a fantastic paint job. Said he used imron. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field ------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: antenna electrical question From: cartera Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:38:44 -0600 X-Message-Number: 19 Mark Langford wrote: > > AntennaHeads, > > I just built a "Weir Special" base station antenna from plans that were > detailed in the July 88 Kitplanes article "Make Your Own Base Station > Antenna". I figured I'd put my new Terra TX-750D to work for a little while > to make sure I won't need to use the warranty before my plane ever flies. > And besides, I wouldn't mind the motivation of listening to all these folks > in the pattern at Moontown airport. Anyway, this antenna is basically 1/2" > copper tubing in the shape of a "J" about 70" tall, with the braided part of > the coax fastened to the bottom of the tall element(radiator), and the > center conductor fastened to the bottom of the short element (reflector). > That's a direct short, in my book, and not surprisingly my ohmeter reads .9 > Ohms at the other end of the coax (50' away in my basement). Should I be > worried about frying my new radio with this setup? The reason I ask is > because my AmeriKing ELT has a little whip antenna that shows about 500 Ohms > between it's terminals. I haven't powered it up yet, but I'd love to hear > any comments that you "sparky" boys have to make. What kind of resistance > should I be seeing? I know impedence is different from resistance, but I'm > still concerned enough to ask before I leap. > > I'll detail this antenna construction later, but right now my digital > camera's on vacation in Alaska for the week... > > Thanks in advance, > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cartera@cuug.ab.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com Hi Mark, This is what we hams call a "J Pole" it is a fairly good antenna but not sure what the gain is, usually for a receiver it can be any type of wire stuck out there but for transmitting it should be matched. Using an ohm meter really does not tell you anything just that it does not have a short, and it should not have. The proper instrument for matching the transmitter to an antenna it a SWR meter (standing wave ratio, cheap at Radio Shack) how much RF is going out and how much RF coming back this give you a ratio the more power coming back the more mismatch you have in the antenna and can default the final amplifier in the transmitter. Clear as mud, hey Mark! -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: canopy tints From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:11:15 -0700 X-Message-Number: 20 On Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:01:47 -0700 GREG S MARTIN writes: >I have a question. If your canopy is tinted, are you not allowed >night flights even with legal lighting? > >Happy building and/or flying > >Greg Martin --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: >jscott.pilot@juno.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to >leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com I spoke to Aircraft Windshields about this when I was shopping for my canopy. I don't recall the FAA specifications anymore, but they do have a set of specs for vision through the canopy or windshield for night flight. As a practical matter, they probably aren't going to pester you about it during your inspection. However, your night vision flying underneath a dark gray canopy would be somewhat limited. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! 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