From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Friday, July 16, 1999 12:23 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: July 15, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Thursday, July 15, 1999. 1. Re: Pannel PlannerCD 2. Re: counteracting left-yaw 3. Re: Fuel tank 4. Re: Wood/Airshow 5. Re: counteracting left-yaw 6. Left ( Right) Yaw 7. Re: counteracting left-yaw 8. Re: Weights 9. Re: Oshkosh 10. Re: counteracting left-yaw 11. new co-pilot 12. T-88 epoxy...Web-site 13. Re: counteracting left-yaw 14. Re: Left ( Right) Yaw 15. Re: new co-pilot 16. Re: Dynel 17. Re: new co-pilot 18. Fwd: new co-pilot 19. Filling/ Priming 20. Re: new co-pilot 21. Re: new co-pilot 22. Bug in system,/ ret. gear 23. Any Aviation Weather Services on the web?? 24. Re: Bug in system,/ ret. gear ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Pannel PlannerCD From: "The Stones" Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:25:54 -0400 X-Message-Number: 1 -----Original Message----- From: EveninBrz@aol.com snip ><< I will be sending out the Panel Planner CD and including a list of the people who requested it snip > Kip >> Thankyou Tim Stone ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: counteracting left-yaw From: Donald Reid Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 08:42:46 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 Tobin Dunham wrote: > Most production model planes are designed to counteract the left-yaw at the > design cruise speed. This is usually accomplished by building the left wing > with a slightly larger angle of attack (angle of incidence), and by slightly > turning the tail. I don't see anything in the plans about this. So I'm > assuming Ken Rand didn't take this into account, and just used trim. This should fall under the premise that if it were a good idea, everybody would already be doing it. Models generally require more inherent stability than manned aircraft. I suspect that is the reason that this rigging arrangement is done in some models. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fuel tank From: Willard561@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:38:16 EDT X-Message-Number: 3 In a message dated 7/14/99 7:21:10 AM Mountain Daylight Time, donreid@erols.com writes: << g hamilton wrote: > Has anybody fabricated their own fiberglass gear legs? Any recommendations for this? >> Ron Scott built his legs and discribed how to do it for Ole Iron Sides his 1 of a kind airplane in a old Sport Aviation article. For those of you who don't know it Ole Iron Sides is built from Spruce covered with fiberglass sheets. Bill Higdon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wood/Airshow From: Tim Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 07:43:45 -0600 X-Message-Number: 4 Rick, I was talking with 'Gene' from Western Aircraft Supply in Calgary, he's been shipping out spruce kits for around thirty (30) years wood. Said he knows the KR well and was the first homebuilt he saw doing a 200+ flyby in the 1970's while flying his spam can through Calif. ("what the hell, was that?") Gene stated that he sent out 70 spruce kits for pietenpols last year and has a great supplier of spruce back home in British Columbia> B.C. (Bring Cash). I'll be sliding thru Cow Town (Calgary) on our way back from 'Aug' vaction and will pick up 'me wood boy'. Once I figure out the long-eron pieces as per Mark's newer reccomendations (think I read that if to do it again he would stretch the tail just a little more. Allan mentioned him and __forget is coming up for the Military Airshow on the July 24th/25...we should get together. Tim Cramb 4 Wing, Cold Lake Alberta ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: counteracting left-yaw From: Willard561@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:53:28 EDT X-Message-Number: 5 In a message dated 7/15/99 7:10:27 AM Mountain Daylight Time, donreid@erols.com writes: << Tobin Dunham wrote: > Most production model planes are designed to counteract the left-yaw at the > design cruise speed. This is usually accomplished by building the left wing > with a slightly larger angle of attack (angle of incidence), and by slightly > turning the tail. I don't see anything in the plans about this. So I'm > assuming Ken Rand didn't take this into account, and just used trim. This should fall under the premise that if it were a good idea, everybody would already be doing it. Models generally require more inherent stability than manned aircraft. I suspect that is the reason that this rigging arrangement is done in some models. -- Don Reid >> I used to fly a 172 that was rigged this way, that airplane would go it a spin out of a stall at the drop of a hat. I wouldn't recommend it for full size airplane. Bill Higdon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Left ( Right) Yaw From: Ron Freiberger Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:56:10 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 The KR series are the only aircraft I've seen that didn't have some vertical stabilizer offset. The direction depends on the direction of propellor rotation. Now, If I build a vertcal stabilator like my old Jodel, how do you offset that?? Ron ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: counteracting left-yaw From: KMcke19117@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:00:03 EDT X-Message-Number: 7 If you are using a VW, it will be right yaw!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Weights From: "Henning Mortensen" Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:04:47 PDT X-Message-Number: 8 >I would be ready to post some weights in few weeks. I am currently half way >through building the stabilzer. > >haris > Great, how about if everyone just weigh stuff, give a full description of what the weight is of, and post it. I will build a database/spreadsheet and every once in a while send it to krnet Henning ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Oshkosh From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:06:45 -0400 X-Message-Number: 9 Aubrey ; I,m going to OSHKOSH 29 TO31 jUL but will be driving my 150 CF-MGQ. Hope to be parked in ACC area. KR is still in the basement. W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: Aubrey Dunham > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Oshkosh > Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 4:02 PM > > Hi everybody, > I'm planning to go to Oshkosh at the end of the month, and was > wondering if any of y'all were planning to come. I'd like to see some > KR's and talk to some people about the process. > Another question: Are any of the workshops worth the time? I was > thinking of attending a composite class and a woodworking class. Any > suggestions or comments? > -Aubrey Dunham > San Antonio, TX > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: counteracting left-yaw From: "Tobin Dunham" Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:24:15 PDT X-Message-Number: 10 Bill Higdon wrote: >I used to fly a 172 that was rigged this way, that airplane would go it a >spin out of a stall at the drop of a hat. I wouldn't recommend it for full >size airplane. >Bill Higdon Well, I wouldn't exactly call the KR-2 a full-size airplane, but I get your drift. One wing stalls slightly more than the other because of the difference in angle of attack, causing a spin (to the left in the 172 I would assume). So my feeling is that it's better to just offset the engine mount a little on the KR-2. With that said, does anyone know the best offset? I guess it would depend on what engine you use, but just for giggles, let's assume a VW2180cc. Better yet, is there a formula or equation for this? This is an important issue for me, as I don't want to fight the rudder or have to trim at cruise speed. Toby Dunham Houston, TX _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: new co-pilot From: tom Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:33:58 -0400 X-Message-Number: 11 All, We have a new co-pilot in our family! Alana Lee Crawford was born at 1300 ET today- 7-15-99. 7 lbs., 18.5" long. Coincidently born on my son's second birthday. Man, I need a nap! Tom Crawford toys@atlantic.net Gainesville, FL N262TC ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: T-88 epoxy...Web-site From: Tim Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:27:58 -0600 X-Message-Number: 12 This may be ole news, but Systems Three (T-88 epoxy glue...etc) has a help/info site at> http://www.epoxyhelp.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: counteracting left-yaw From: "Richard Parker" Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 13:15:00 PDT X-Message-Number: 13 Contact RR. Jeanette has a supplemental drawing of the engine mount that shows the offset. Its something like 1 or 2 degrees Also regardless of the rudder offset most aircraft will spin either way. I've spun Cessnas to the right and to the left. Its just a little harder to get it to spin to the right, but once you get it going its a great ride. (at altitude of course) If you never spun with your instructors I'd recommend it. The first one scares the snot out of you but after that they get addictive. Rich Parker Jaffrey, NH >One wing stalls slightly more than the other because of the >difference in angle of attack, causing a spin (to the left in the 172 I >would assume). So my feeling is that it's better to just offset the engine >mount a little on the KR-2. With that said, does anyone know the best >offset? I guess it would depend on what engine you use, but just for >giggles, let's assume a VW2180cc. Better yet, is there a formula or >equation for this? This is an important issue for me, as I don't want to >fight the rudder or have to trim at cruise speed. > >Toby Dunham >Houston, TX _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Left ( Right) Yaw From: Tim Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:39:24 -0600 X-Message-Number: 14 Ron...and the answer is> Build it crooked, like your jodel Wingtips ;-) Tim Cold Lake Ron Freiberger wrote: Now, If I build a vertcal stabilator like my old Jodel, how do you offset that?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: new co-pilot From: cartera Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 16:18:42 -0600 X-Message-Number: 15 tom wrote: > > All, > > We have a new co-pilot in our family! Alana Lee Crawford was born at > 1300 ET today- 7-15-99. 7 lbs., 18.5" long. Coincidently born on my > son's second birthday. > Man, I need a nap! > > Tom Crawford > toys@atlantic.net > Gainesville, FL > N262TC > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cartera@cuug.ab.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com Congratulations DAD! -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Dynel From: Tim Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 17:43:13 -0600 X-Message-Number: 16 Rick, Tim here; R&R bounced back my Fax they don't take credit cards, now I'm thinking...$375. for a 20-30 year old set of what some say are so/so..Are these plans in a binder? I don't mind paying $75. for the update but these will be the second most exspensive set I have purchased to date (around 30 sets over 15yrs). I'm going to ask if I can copy the older KR-2 and provide the lender with a copy of the KR-2S.... Tim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: new co-pilot From: FLYKR2S@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:48:57 EDT X-Message-Number: 17 In a message dated 7/15/99 4:59:58 PM Central Daylight Time, toys@atlantic.net writes: << We have a new co-pilot in our family! Alana Lee Crawford was born at 1300 ET today- 7-15-99. 7 lbs., 18.5" long >> Congratulations Tom!!! Be glad your plane is finished, I have not put in more than five hours on mine since our second son was born April 13. The time just flies by now and there aren't enough hours in the day. Will we see you at Oshkosh again this year? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI flykr2s@aol.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fwd: new co-pilot From: FLYKR2S@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:30:40 EDT X-Message-Number: 18 --part1_2caf77b6.24bfd730_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_2caf77b6.24bfd730_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: FLYKR2S@aol.com From: FLYKR2S@aol.com Full-name: FLY KR2S Message-ID: <2caf77b6.24bfcd69@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:48:57 EDT Subject: Re: [kr-net] new co-pilot To: kr-net@telelists.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 In a message dated 7/15/99 4:59:58 PM Central Daylight Time, toys@atlantic.net writes: << We have a new co-pilot in our family! Alana Lee Crawford was born at 1300 ET today- 7-15-99. 7 lbs., 18.5" long >> Congratulations Tom!!! Be glad your plane is finished, I have not put in more than five hours on mine since our second son was born April 13. The time just flies by now and there aren't enough hours in the day. Will we see you at Oshkosh again this year? Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI flykr2s@aol.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage --part1_2caf77b6.24bfd730_boundary-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Filling/ Priming From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:00:36 -0400 X-Message-Number: 19 I'm working on my left wing using UV Smooth Prime. I rolled on the required 6 coats and sanded the top of the wing. My question is: after all that work I still have lots of weave depressions that didn't fill properly, so I guess now it's back to the primer. I was thinking that on my right wing maybe I should have squeeged the first coat coat on to fill in the weave first. What do you guys think? Thanks, Kenny ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: new co-pilot From: "Rod Kelso" Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:53:47 -0600 X-Message-Number: 20 Congradulations Tom and of course your wife too. You know she is the one that needs a nap, not you. You must keep working on the plane and get up in the middle of the night for all that baby stuff. Congrats again to both of you. Rod Kelso Denver, Colorado................................................:o)) ---------- > From: tom > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] new co-pilot > Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 1:33 PM > > All, > > We have a new co-pilot in our family! Alana Lee Crawford was born at > 1300 ET today- 7-15-99. 7 lbs., 18.5" long. Coincidently born on my > son's second birthday. > Man, I need a nap! > > Tom Crawford > toys@atlantic.net > Gainesville, FL > N262TC > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rbk@orci.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: new co-pilot From: GARYKR2@cs.com Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 22:31:47 EDT X-Message-Number: 21 Glad to here the good news. Hope mom and baby are ok. We will put in a special word to the supreme '"PILOT" to keep an eye on them. Gary& Beth ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Bug in system,/ ret. gear From: GREG S MARTIN Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 19:58:22 -0700 X-Message-Number: 22 Hi everyone, I just want to let all of you know that I received a bug, or some kind of contamination from this KR-net. It was not a virous, but something. I lost all the peoples names and 'e' addresses that wanted the gear design. So those of you that wanted that please 'e' me again. This is my game computer that has the juno. The one that has my architectural work on it has it's own system and internet access with 'e' mail on a completely different computer. So I'm sure that the problem came from this as it was only my juno that was inop. I never opened any attachments. So fellows, watch out for any thing that you think might be supissious. I've been off the net for two days. So I guess I'll look up the past few days on the web. I hope that everyones in good shape as I am for now. Don't forget, those of you that wanted the plans for the retract gear, 'e' me direct and I'll get them to you as soon as I done. I lost everyone of you and all of the messages I was saving. Sorry. Happy building and/or flying. Greg Martin Bakersfield, CA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Any Aviation Weather Services on the web?? From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 00:18:51 -0400 X-Message-Number: 23 Anyone know if METARS, TAF's, FA's or any other aviation services are available on the internet? I'm studying for my Private ticket and access to real data would be helpful to me. I just found that my flight school traded in 10 C-152's for 10 Katana's. The Katana has got to be the closest production trainer airplane to a KR-2, and looks like it was borne from experimental roots. I'm very excited about finishing out my ticket with them (20hrs more), then having them available for rent afterwards. I've done three solo flights in cans, but can't stand them. Yokes are for blokes. My KR dream flight is a long way off, with many hurdles in between, but I'll get there someday. (It's better than never getting there.) -Tom Andersen Orlando FL KR-2S, spar installations. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Bug in system,/ ret. gear From: Michael Taglieri Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 02:42:01 -0400 X-Message-Number: 24 I have Juno basic which I thought was safe because it's unable to transmit attachments. Is that what you have, and still got a bug? Mike Taglieri >Hi everyone, I just want to let all of you know that I received a bug, >or some kind of contamination from this KR-net. It was not a virous, >but something. I lost all the peoples names and 'e' addresses that >wanted the gear design. So those of you that wanted that please 'e' >me again. > >This is my game computer that has the juno. The one that has my >architectural work on it has it's own system and internet access with >'e' mail on a completely different computer. So I'm sure that the >problem came from this as it was only my juno that was inop. I never >opened any attachments. So fellows, watch out for any thing that you >think might be supissious. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com