From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 12:14 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: August 04, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Wednesday, August 04, 1999. 1. Re: canopy construction 2. Re: William Wynne at the Gathering 3. Re: throw over yoke 4. Re:Canopy construction 5. Re: oshkosh 6. Re: oshkosh 7. Re: William Wynne at the Gathering 8. KR-1 canopy info 9. Re: canopy construction 10. Superfil 11. Panel planner CD 12. Re: oshkosh 13. Re: throw over yoke 14. Re: oshkosh 15. Fw: Jabiru Engines 16. Re: oshkosh 17. Re: Superfil 18. Re: throw over yoke 19. Re: Fw: Jabiru Engines 20. KR Gathering 21. Re: Panel planner CD 22. Re: KR Gathering 23. Re: stick vs yoke 24. Re: KR / Custom Planes Issue 25. N541RY Status Update 26. Re: Engine Type 27. Re: Oshkosh 28. Re: oshkosh 29. [Fwd: Well, the fly-in at the Stepps was fun, but....] 30. re: OSH and KRgathering 31. Re: N998MG Flight 32. Re: oshkosh 33. Re: Corvair 34. Re: Static Pressure Sources 35. Herb Bull 36. Re: oshkosh 37. Re: KR Gathering 38. Its that time of year again 39. [Fwd: Need to find] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: canopy construction From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:25:42 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1 >It is still a puzzle to me > how to take the plastic canopy and make a frame for it. If you haven't seen it already, check out http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kcf.html or Mike Mims' nice gull wing canopy at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/canopy.html . His setup is pretty sturdy compared to the one piece canopy. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: William Wynne at the Gathering From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:36:44 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 Some folks have asked for more info on the Corvair. See http://www.omnispace.com/Corvair/infopack.htm , and you'll be converted! I guess we don't hear about this stuff because much of the Corvair world isn't on the Internet. I'll try to collect all my Corvair URLs and publish them soon. I went to a Corvair club meeting in Birmingham last month, and the average age was probably 60. They were the friendliest bunch of total strangers I've ever met. There were 5 women there too, the driving forces behind their husband's Corvair ownership. They have a sit-down meal at every meeting! I plan to make that drive a lot more often. The big bore kit I plan to use is 94 mm forged VW pistons/cylinders. Bob Sutcliffe of SE Performance will provide 6 new pistons and cylinders, bore your case and heads, modifiy the pistons and cylinders, and modify your rods for $1200. That's half the price of my "rebuild" to "like new" specs. Wynne says that of the 400 or so Corvairs flying, there's been exactly one crank failure, and it was one that somebody had a 12" unsupported PSRU hanging out from the crank end... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: throw over yoke From: Willard561@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:39:46 EDT X-Message-Number: 3 In a message dated 8/4/99 1:03:22 AM Mountain Daylight Time, miket_nyc@juno.com writes: << ><< He had the only KR that I have seen that had a yoke instead of a stick. >Looked nice. >> > > Do you know who he was?? A guy named Bill De Freez in Ca built one with >a throw over yoke here in California several years ago. Hope it wasn't Bill. The KR project I almost bought in Staten Island, NY also had a throw-over yoke, beautifully machined by the deceased builder. I can't imagine why anyone would want one, however. Heavier than a stick and more likely to give trouble, so what's the point? Mike Taglieri Bill's yoke was fairly light, I have a set of plans some where, I meet Bill on a trip to Northern Cal. aboout 17 yrs ago. Nice guy, even thogh he had a garage full of machine tool's he used the lowest method possible and still get acceptable results. The yoke took a drill press, welder, and hack saw to make. Some day after I get my scanner working I will post the plans from an old KR newsletter. Bill Higdon Willard561@aol.com __________________________________________________________________ >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re:Canopy construction From: "Richard Parker" Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 05:46:36 PDT X-Message-Number: 4 Mark Langford does a pretty good job of showing how to make a canopy frame (not gull wing) see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford Rich Parker (waiting for my canopy) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: oshkosh From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:44:49 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 Larry, His name was Herb Bull, a personal friend of Steve Bennett's, GPASC. Very nice guy and a great promoter of KRs through his artistic ability and other things. Received best engine installation at one of the earlier KR Gatherings - Covington, TN, I think. And yes, sadly, the coroner's report indicated a heart attack had occurred while he was flying at Oshkosh. Ed Janssen -----Original Message----- From: EveninBrz@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 11:46 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: oshkosh >In a message dated 8/3/1999 3:14:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >rwmoore@alltel.net writes: > ><< He > had the only KR that I have seen that had a yoke instead of a stick. Looked > nice. >> > > Do you know who he was?? A guy named Bill De Freez in Ca built one with >a throw over yoke here in California several years ago. Hope it wasn't Bill. > Larry Shull > Mail to:EveninBrz@aol.com > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ejanssen@chipsnet.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: oshkosh From: Horn2004@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:02:31 EDT X-Message-Number: 6 In a message dated 8/3/99 11:36:07 PM, EveninBrz@aol.com writes: <<<< He had the only KR that I have seen that had a yoke instead of a stick. Looked nice. >> Do you know who he was?? A guy named Bill De Freez in Ca built one with a throw over yoke here in California several years ago. Hope it wasn't Bill.>> I think the guy you are talking about was Herb Bull. He had a massive heart in the air. His KR went into a slow bank and steadily lost altitude until impact. He was an avid KR enthusiast. Can any oldtimers out there confirm this? Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: William Wynne at the Gathering From: cartera Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:56:38 -0600 X-Message-Number: 7 Mark, Could you give me your work email address again, sorry I did not record it and there is no way I can get through on hiwaay.net. Please email me off net, directly. -- Adrian VE6AFY Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR-1 canopy info From: WA7YXF@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:32:23 EDT X-Message-Number: 8 I put duct tape on the longerons, then sills for removable front deck and canopy with hinge and latch system. Then added the foam, shaped and glassed it up. Then removed the canopy portion, shaped the inside and carefully started cutting the hole for the canopy after cutting away the flange material. Fitting it in until it was where I wanted it. Drooped it in and glassed the under side. Removed the front deck portion, shaped under side and glassed it. I hollowed out a portion of the rear deck and glassed it. Its really easier than it sounds. Mine is on a narrowed down KR-2 fuselage and it looks just like the KR-1 - super neat - all my glass work is done except cowling and wheel pants. I'm in the fill and sand phase. Scratch building and feel I've joined the club. my hats off to you guys .. Lynn WA7YXF hangar A-7 RDM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: canopy construction From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:26:49 -0500 X-Message-Number: 9 Regarding canopy frames, one piece of advice that I wish I'd come up with BEFORE I was half way finished: Use carbon fiber cloth or tape where ever possible to stiffen the frame. You'll be glad you did... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Superfil From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:19:32 EDT X-Message-Number: 10 Mike In a previous post you mentioned a problem with heat & Superfil and said that you would report on results later. I must have missed the later. Left my Superfil in the shop for 2 days, temp 105 to 107. Hardner seperated and smelled of amonia. Remixed it and first batch sanded like rubber after two days. Thought I had mixed it wrong but same thing in next two batches. Still have it but not useing it. Were your results the same??? Tnks, Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Panel planner CD From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:58:19 -0400 X-Message-Number: 11 The Panel planner C/D is on it's way to Larry Schull. Larry, let me know if you don't get it by this time next week. WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: oshkosh From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:01:25 EDT X-Message-Number: 12 In a message dated 8/4/1999 12:03:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, miket_nyc@juno.com writes: << I can't imagine why anyone would want one, however. Heavier than a stick and more likely to give trouble, so what's the point? >> I totally agree with you. To me it is a thing of, here is the answer now what is the question. But some people must like them, that is the second one that I know of in a KR. Larry Shull Mail to: EveninBrz@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: throw over yoke From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:15:42 EDT X-Message-Number: 13 In a message dated 8/4/1999 5:48:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Willard561@aol.com writes: << Nice guy, even thogh he had a garage full of machine tool's he used the lowest method possible and still get acceptable results. >> He is a very nice guy. I met him at Chino. Have seen pictures of his garage, and yes it was absolutely loaded with tools. He was the one that came up with the retractable tri gear for the KR that used the Rand kit. I think that it was what was on the KR that Mr Taglieri talks about in New York. Larry Shull Mail to: EveninBrz@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: oshkosh From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:20:58 EDT X-Message-Number: 14 In a message dated 8/4/1999 7:02:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ejanssen@chipsnet.com writes: << His name was Herb Bull, a personal friend of Steve Bennett's, GPASC. Very nice guy and a great promoter of KRs through his artistic ability and other things. Received best engine installation at one of the earlier KR Gatherings - Covington, TN, I think. And yes, sadly, the coroner's report indicated a heart attack had occurred while he was flying at Oshkosh. Ed Janssen >> Thank You, for letting me know. Think that I have seen the name before but do not know him. Larry Shull Mail to EveninBrz@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fw: Jabiru Engines From: "J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd." Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:30:41 -0700 X-Message-Number: 15 For those with a more open mind and resourses the Jabiru is a very potent engine for a KR. Stats are total wt. 161 Lbs and 100 H.P. @ 2750 RPM, thats 1.61 lbs/H.P or 120 H.P. @ 3250 RPM thats 1.35 lbs/HP, wow! Very few engines have these statistics. If I can see my way to purchase one I am. This kind of technology cost money and I believe its a good value performance wise. Its made of good stuff, latest alloys. Just my openion. If you want to see for yourself go to. >www.jabiru.net.au KRRon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: oshkosh From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:00:01 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 Ed Janssen wrote: > > Larry, > > His name was Herb Bull, And yes, sadly, the coroner's report > indicated a heart attack had occurred while he was flying at Oshkosh. > Did someone die this year at Osh or are we still talking about the mishap a few years back? -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Mirror Site http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Superfil From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:02:43 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 RFG842@aol.com wrote: > > Mike > > In a previous post you mentioned a problem with heat & Superfil and said that > you would report on results later. I must have missed the later. > > Left my Superfil in the shop for 2 days, temp 105 to 107. Hardner seperated > and smelled of amonia. Remixed it and first batch sanded like rubber after > two days. Thought I had mixed it wrong but same thing in next two batches. > Still have it but not useing it. > > Were your results the same??? > No I have never had a problem with Superfil, in temps as low as 65 or as high as 105. In cooler temps it didnt seem to harden as fast (2 days). Are you mixing it 2 to 1? Call Polyfiber and tell them your problem, they are great people and will either send you more Superfil or your money. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Mirror Site http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: throw over yoke From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:58:43 -0700 X-Message-Number: 18 Willard561@aol.com wrote: > > > << ><< He had the only KR that I have seen that had a yoke instead of a > stick. >Looked nice. >> > > > > Do you know who he was?? A guy named Bill De Freez in Ca built one > with a throw over yoke here in California several years ago. Hope it wasn't > Bill. > > The KR project I almost bought in Staten Island, NY also had a throw-over > yoke, beautifully machined by the deceased builder. I can't imagine why > anyone would want one, however. I have to agree with Mike T, why in the world would you want to replace the stick with a yoke? Sticks are so natural in an airplane that once you try one you will never want to touch a yoke again. Complexity is another issue here, it would be just one more thing that could kill you. Even though I have made a few mods to my bird I have ALWAYS worked with the KISS method in mind. Then again, if I had yokes I would also strip some bacon off the pig and have in-flight breakfast! :o) During my rantings about "airplane want-a-be" engines, someone was kind enough to point out that my O-290 started life as a generator engine! Talk about a WANT-A-BE airplane engine. :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Mirror Site http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fw: Jabiru Engines From: Herb Gearheart Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 20:11:21 -0500 X-Message-Number: 19 Hi folks I must say that I for one am concerned about what must be a very costly machined case. To me this implies a lack of cost control which is somewhat visible in the current list price. I also believe that at some level of horse power one needs a certain mass of metal in all parts of the engine. This bugger is lite for the Hp. Will This show up further down the road? Herb "J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd." wrote: > For those with a more open mind and resourses the Jabiru is a very potent > engine for a KR. Stats are total wt. 161 Lbs and 100 H.P. @ 2750 RPM, thats > 1.61 lbs/H.P or 120 H.P. @ 3250 RPM thats 1.35 lbs/HP, wow! Very few > engines have these statistics. If I can see my way to purchase one I am. > This kind of technology cost money and I believe its a good value > performance wise. Its made of good stuff, latest alloys. Just my openion. > If you want to see for yourself go to. > >www.jabiru.net.au > > KRRon > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: herbgh@nctc.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR Gathering From: Mark Jones Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 20:53:21 -0500 X-Message-Number: 20 I am curious as to how many people and how many KR's will be at the gathering. This will be my first trip and I am looking forward to it! Did we fill all the rooms that were set aside for us? Dana, maybe you could shed some light on this. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI flykr2s@execpc.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Panel planner CD From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:30:22 EDT X-Message-Number: 21 In a message dated 8/4/1999 5:16:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dodger@accessnode.net writes: << The Panel planner C/D is on it's way to Larry Schull. Larry, let me know if you don't get it by this time next week. WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net http://accessnode.net/~dodger >> I certainly will. What I need to know is who gets it next? I'll only have it one day,and the next day will mail it to whoebver is next. Larry Shull Mail to: EveninBrz@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR Gathering From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:23:49 -0700 X-Message-Number: 22 On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 20:53:21 -0500 Mark Jones writes: >I am curious as to how many people and how many KR's will be at the >gathering. This will be my first trip and I am looking forward to it! >Did we fill all the rooms that were set aside for us? Dana, maybe you >could shed some light on this. > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) I don't have a room, but am reconsidering my decision to pass on the "Gathering". I've been trying to get away on a flying vacation, first in May, then June, then July, August isn't going to happen either, so I might have to declare a holiday and go to the Gathering in September despite the chipped paint and hail damaged wing. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: stick vs yoke From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:21:24 -0700 X-Message-Number: 23 > >I have to agree with Mike T, why in the world would you want to replace >the stick with a yoke? Sticks are so natural in an airplane that once >you try one you will never want to touch a yoke again. Complexity is >another issue here, it would be just one more thing that could kill >you. Even though I have made a few mods to my bird I have ALWAYS worked >with the KISS method in mind. > One of the things I have observed in 20+ years of being involved with homebuilts is that some low time builders have a fear of switching to a "new" way of handling the controls, so they end up building left right hand throttles in single seat planes and yokes in planes that cry out for a control stick. What they don't realize is that changing styles will feel natural after the first 30 seconds of taxi tests. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR / Custom Planes Issue From: "Steven & Anita Oliver" Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:51:44 -0600 X-Message-Number: 24 Hi, I'm new to reading the KR-net, and one of the topics you guys have been talking about is the new wing design "AS504X" airfoil. Do any of you have the layout of the rib, and if you do, are you willing to send me a copy? Plan on buying the plans for a KR-1 soon and was interested in any words of wisdom (concering the building of a homebuilt). Thank you very much Steve Oliver -----Original Message----- From: Monet Laigo To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 10:14 PM Subject: [kr-net] KR / Custom Planes Issue >2,August 1999 > >Would anybody know which issue of Custom Planes >the KR was evaluated? >I just got my September issue today, but any mention >of the KR from past issues draws a blank to me. >The reason I ask is that I had seen Rich McCall's >name printed on the Air Mail page (The very FIRST one !). >Another famous KR Netter. > >CAVU, >Monet > >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: saoliver@olp.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: N541RY Status Update From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:38:22 -0700 X-Message-Number: 25 Finally, after several years, my aileron hinges are back on the ailerons. I just finished screwing them on and am thankful that none of the nuts floxed on the spar came loose, or anything nasty requiring cutting into the freshly painted ailerons went wrong. I setup my pipe clamps on the sawhorses and suspended the ailerons and discovered that my lead bars (about 3/4"x3/4"x3") are too light to counter balance them. Two bars just about do it. I think I need to make them a little thicker, and perhaps put one on either side of the L bracket. Talk about HEAVY ailerons.... So tomorrow I hope to re-melt lead and see how this all works out. Then it's back to the hangar to remove the wings fix the fuel tank leak, and attach the ailerons. Then comes the FLAP bracket installation.... -- Regards Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine Type From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:44:00 -0700 X-Message-Number: 26 SClay... You need to get yourself some books! The type "1" VW engine was what was found in most early model BUGS and is 1600cc's stock. Most VW's are 1835 to 2180 cc versions of the Type 1 block. This is achieved by using larger diamater cylinders and in the case of the 2180, a longer stroke crank. There are some TERRIFIC books on the topic. Some available at your local bookstore or Amazon.com I would recommend spending the $5-$7.00 for a Great Planes catalog. Steve Bennett sells everything you need to build up an engine or suppliment an engine you might want to rebuild. The catalog in the past had some good discussions on the topic. I have a great HAPI book "How to build a reliable VW engine" as well, but this is more difficult to obtain. The Type 4 engine is a bit larger, and some say too heavy for use in an airplane, but there are a lot of type 4 engines flying. They have a much beefier crankcase among other things. I don't think a 2180 in a KR-1 is "too big", you can never have too much horsepower in an airplane (grin). But you would be fine with an 1835cc VW, more reliable and less $$$. Buts thats my opinion. I have an 1835cc in my KR-2, and it may be too small for my bird. -- Regards Ross SClay10106@aol.com wrote: > > I am looking into engines the KR-1 needs the engine, cowling, and top deck. I > dont understand all these type VW engines type 1-4.i want to put a 2180 vw > engine into thr kr-1 might this be to big? And if i rebuild the engine myself > what if any modifications have to be made to put it into a plane. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Oshkosh From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:02:00 -0700 X-Message-Number: 27 I have to comment on the "second class" treatment KR builders may be getting. In the March 1975 issue of Sport Aviation, their was an article discussing the first customer KR-2 completion which was built by the owner of Wicks aircraft. Towards the end of the article there was some discussion to the effect of: "There should be some kind of restriction against these type of airplanes, as they encourage shoddy workmanship..." It seemed that even then there was some negative feelings towards the KR design. One reason given in the article was that this plane was so inexpensive to build that anyone could afford to build one. However, the counter argument was that shoddy workmanship is not exclusive to the KR design. My feeling after doing hand lay-ups is that when you get a "less than smooth" finish, and I have to admit I have some lumps and paint runs. I think this contributes to the perception that somthing is amiss with KR's. However my first Vari-Eze that I saw was nicknamed "Lump-EZE" due to the lack of filler in the airplane. I saw a lot of KR's at last years gathering and there was only one that I really wouldn't want to fly in. It was one of the Subaru installations, and it was the one that flew in. It simply looked over gross weight empty on the ramp. Otherwise, I liked everything I saw (Excluding the one KR with tygon tubing for the fuel line from the firewall to the carb). -- Regards Ross John Roffey wrote: > > Ever since the divorce between wood and glass and the acceptance of > glass and the aversion to wood in aviation, the KR has been treated as a > step child at a family picnic. > Not many people know that Lance of Lancair built a KR and that was > the impetus for his own design. The KR was the pioneer aircraft for > composite construction with all the EZs Glassairs Dragonflys and > Lancairs picking up on the technology. > This is why you won't see many KRs at Oshkosh. Just not enough "GEE > WIZZ" factor. > There is nothing else you can build that will go as fast with out > laying out big bucks for the kit. > Build a KR2S > John Roffey > jeroffey@tir.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: oshkosh From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:04:40 -0700 X-Message-Number: 28 I'm going to go to OshKosh, and we are going to park under a large banner with the KRnet logo on it. Hmmm... seems like I need to get bids for next year. If I make it to Phoenix by October, I will have a banner made up and trailer my KR to Copperstate. We are still looking to move but don't know when... it's putting a damper on my flight testing plans. (Corvallis Oregon is a great location for this, plus I'm hooked up with the local EAA... maybe I just need to get FINISHED!). Mike Mims wrote: > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > > I will probably fly mine to Oshkosh as often as possible, just because I like to go, and it's the fastest way I have to get there (once it's built). > > > > You can bet your last strip of bacon that the Pig will lie upon the > Oshkosh runways as many times as I can afford to go. Maybe not next > year but the one after that for sure. > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > Filling and Sanding again! > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ > http://members.home.com/mikemims/ > Mirror Site http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ > Aliso Viejo CA > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Fwd: Well, the fly-in at the Stepps was fun, but....] From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:07:39 -0700 X-Message-Number: 29 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------848C76D51C2CA37A3FE71A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This came from one of our local ultralight guys. A great story... --------------848C76D51C2CA37A3FE71A70 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail2 (mbox rossy) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Wed Aug 4 22:27:28 1999) X-From_: airtime@proaxis.com Tue Aug 03 05:40:38 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: rossy@teleport.com Received: (qmail 22691 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 05:40:36 -0000 Received: from brain.proaxis.com (root@206.163.142.1) by smtp8.teleport.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 05:40:36 -0000 Received: from randy-simpson (ca15-20.inet-x.net [198.106.199.244]) by brain.proaxis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA27157; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990802224439.009223e0@proaxis.com> X-Sender: airtime@proaxis.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:44:39 -0700 To: artytros@europa.com From: Randy Simpson Subject: Well, the fly-in at the Stepps was fun, but.... Cc: dwrewalt@ndak.net, schaefer@web-ster.com, "Bill Arbaugh" , billh@chemwest.com, Bob@brain.proaxis.com, EschBob@aol.com, , colinh@proaxis.com, David Richards , David Shear , Dennis Gray , DLEWIS36@aol.com, gsimpson@maurymw.com, diskard@teleport.com, jan_everts@ex.cv.hp.com, Jerry Goss , Jim Munson , brumbach@internetcds.com, Joel Jacobson , kshultz@amclog.com, Keith_Hackett@bc.com, Kelly , Kent Washburn , lorick@bauercom.net, Mark DeVries , MHenrik@aol.com, pongracz@teleport.com, CLAUSONM@frl.orst.edu, nancy.gorrell@doj.state.or.us, Nick Nafsinger , pnewb_1@yahoo.com, vyff@pond.net, Rex Ramer , sptlt19@idt.net, Ron Carrol , rsimpson@teleport.com, Ross Youngblood , "schaefer" , "Steve Kimura" , Terry Satrum , "Venus Inc" , , wjam@vcnet.com, John Enander , vivmi@stanley.ndak.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi everyone! I wrote this little real story about a week ago, and am just now finally getting around to sending it to all my flying buds, and family members. The sores on my fingers from this unfortunate incident have scabbed over now, and are healing nicely... ...when we were ready to leave, I had a problem...I had let a kid sit in my plane while I ate breakfast, and he messed with the controls...no problem usually, but as the other guys were ready to leave with their engines running, I started up my Carrera like usual, but didn't check the throttle position B4 starting it from behind, and when it started, it was at FULL THROTTLE! Since I was behind the plane, I grabbed the wire that goes from the wing to the tail, and was able to hold it as it went in a circle, dragging me...There were alot of people there to help me, but they couldn't get in there to grab the plane, as it was circling too fast...a couple of guys tossed sweaters and other clothing at the prop, but the new Sportprop was too tough, and just shredded them. After about 30-40 circles in Jim's field, the wire began cutting my skin on my hand, and I couldn't hold on any longer. When the plane was pointed away from his house/people/planes, I finally let go, aiming it at some shrubs and a tree. I had been working it towards that tree on purpose, hoping it would stop it, but my fingers were bleeding at this point, and the pain became unbearable. When I finally let go, the Carrera headed towards that tree, just brushing it. Then it went into the open field, accelerating till it began to fly by itself. It climbed out, clearing the trees that lined the field, trimmed perfectly at first (and the fuel tanks were full at this point too. I had visions of it flying till it finally would run outta gas, probably over the ocean somewhere... Well, when it got to about 100-200 feet up, it began to turn right, circling and losing altitude till it hit a fir tree, stopping it. It fell down into the lower branches, still at full throttle, till a branch hit the prop, stopping the motor. My new Sportprop was ruined, now only about half the original diam. The left wing is totaled, but the fuselage and right wing are OK, and my motor seems ok too (I'm gonna be sure to check it out fully before I fly with it again). The tail has only one slightly bent tube also. Definately repairable, but it will take a while. I do hope to have it fixed in time for the Alvord fly-in. I thought for sure it would have been totaled, but got lucky. William, a Learjet Pilot/internet buddy of mine, had one question for me when he heard this story...."What have you learned from this?" Well, I need to take steps to make sure it never happens again. I've been thinking alot, the past couple of days, about how to prevent it. First of all, when the plane is put back together, I'll have the origional pull starter working (which allows me to stand next to the cockpit with the throttle and ignition switches within easy reach while starting it). I may install an electric starter, which will put me in the cockpit while starting the engine. If I do ever have to hand prop it, I'll either have someone standing by the cockpit, ready to kill the engine if necessary, or if no one is available, I'll take my Titanium Ti-downs (which I ALWAYS have with me in the plane) out of the plane and anchor the plane that way to prevent a flyaway plane (will take about 30 seconds to do that). Back when I did have the pull starter hooked up, I think there were a couple of times when the throttle wasn't closed all the way, and when it started, I was able to just reach down and close the throttle. Now, I realize that I need a CHECKLIST that's in the plane that I use EVERY time I fly it. I'm gonna make one up, laminate it, and mount it somewhere in the cockpit where it'll be easy to use EVERY TIME. OK, back to the Story of the pilotless plane.... This fly-in this past weekend is a highlight of our local flying club's year. It's an annual thing that's been happening every summer for the past 6 years. Jim's grass strip has been getting better and longer every year too. Jim and Crista (our hosts) really go all out to make it special. There's always been a feast on Saturday afternoon, which he invites all his neighbors to attend with us flyers. About a year ago, he got some new neighbors to the southwest of him, and the wife there HATES airplanes...thinks they're way too dangerous...Her husband is (er, was) a private pilot, before he married her, and had logged over 700 hours flying time, but hasn't flown since marrying her. Their property joins Jims, and Jim had been using a little bit of it to extend his landing strip, but when they moved in, they wouldn't let jim use it for "Liability" reasons. Jim had tried to talk to her a couple of times, but had to just leave as she was impossible to talk to. Jim has instructed us NOT TO FLY OVER/NEAR their house/property, which we've all been sure to avoid. Here's where the story gets bizzarre.... When my plane decided to take off without me, it first flew South, then turned west, before circling over/around...(you guessed it) the new neighbors house, landing in a tree on their property line, a couple hundred feet from their house! Of all the places it coulda gone, it picks the ONLY person in that whole valley that doesn't like airplanes to land next to. Her husband was the first person on the scene of the crash, and when he didn't see anyone in the cockpit, they all really freaked out, looking all around in the brush for the pilot. The first person from our group to arrive on the scene (about a minute or two after it happened) encountered an IRATE, Cussing, Crying, HYSTERICAL lady who he's sure if she'd had a gun, He'd be dead right now...*to her defense, having a plane land near your house without a pilot WOULD be odd, fer sure* Someone had called 911, as we could hear the sirens in the distance. Jim's daughter, Sandy, called 911 to let them know no one was in the plane, and no one was injured either, but their policy is to continue on to make sure. I signed a thing saying I didn't need medical assistance, and the two ambulances and big fire truck left. After my plane was on another neighbor's pickup (one with a lumber rack on it),and headed back to Jim's place (and it turns out this neighbor had seen me flying this Carrera many times by the Albany Supercross track where her boys race regularly, over a hundred miles away, amd said she really enjoys the airshow I give them), I went up to talk to and appologize to the planehating lady. I was very polite to her and her husband, letting her know it was MY fault, not Jim's. She was kinda calmed down by this point, saying she was just concerned about our welfare, and wish we wouldn't fly, as it's way too dangerous. I reminded her that people get killed every day in automobile accidents and pointed to her cars and pickup, saying I see that she continues to drive and ride in cars. She had to think about that for a second, and I saw a change in her attitude just then. After admitting I made a stoopid mistake in not checking the throttle B4 starting my plane, and humbly appologizing again, I left. Her husband said several times during the conversation, "It's not over yet", implying they're gonna do something about this.... The county Sherriff's Deputy that showed up was real nice and he knew the FAA doesn't investigate Ultralight incidents/accidents, and he took my name/address/phone number for his report. He gave Jim a phone number for an agency the county has for neighborhood problems, in case the neighbor goes totally crazy over this. As far as he was concerned, no laws were broken, so his work there was done, except for going back to the office and making up his report. He said he'd go talk to the planehating lady before leaving the area. I was really worried for Jim, afraid because of this, his neighbor would try to close down his neat private airstrip. Well, when I went back to his place last evening to retrieve my Carrera, he'd gotten a call from her (his plane-hating neighbor), and had his first good conversation with her. She appologized for all the yelling/cussing she'd done, and admitted everyone should have the right to do what they like to do. Jim said she said a couple of times to tell me she's sorry for the way she treated me that day, and was sorry for the damage that was done to "that nice man's plane". He's gonna send her a bottle of wine, and some cheese or something to help show he wants to be friends, not enemies. He thinks that next year, they will join us in our fly-in feast, and by the next year, her husband will be flying with us. We'll see.... A side note... people who saw my Carrera hit the tree, said that Rotax 503 just didn't want to stop, even after the prop got wasted. It continued to run, vibrating severely. It wasn't till the two carbs fell off from the outta balance sportprop, that the motor finally stopped. Keep on flying.... Randy Simpson Carrera mechanic ----------------- --------------848C76D51C2CA37A3FE71A70-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: re: OSH and KRgathering From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:11:38 -0700 X-Message-Number: 30 Jim, I'll bring my guitar to the next gathering if it will work with weight and balance... I need to know the Chords to the KR song. Can you post this so we can all practice? -- Ross John Bryhan wrote: > > >Remember, KR Pilots (and builders) just want to have fun. > > Sounds like Jim is writing another song!!! > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: N998MG Flight From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:17:45 -0700 X-Message-Number: 31 Thanks for this pilot report... I'm printing it out! garbez wrote: > > Now that I am calmed down enough to analyze the first flight of N998MG. I > will tell you about it. > I went to the airport Sunday with my wife just to change the oil and adjust > the valves and other things. When I was done I decided to go taxi test it > to see how she ran. It was a little windy 10 to 15 mph and partly cloudy. > I took her out to the runway and started down. I pulled the stick back a > little and off she went right now!!! I got on the radio and said' "WELL > SHE'S AIRBORNE." I said to myself it's up with no runway left better just > go fly. Now as you all know I'm only a 70 hour pilot with very little stick > time. The only KR's I have flown are Jim Faughn and Marty Roberts and only > a few minutes each. Back to the flight. I took it up to 4,000 feet and > leveled off and just got used to the plane. Guys the KR is easy to fly. I > did not have any trouble flying it. It flys great!! So I flew over to see > what my 10 acres looked like from the air and on the way back it started to > rain, I thought I better put it back on the ground. OH BOY! I've got to > land NOW!!! My first try was a little to fast pulled the stick back to far > to flare. The nose to the sky, full throttle to go around - second try > still to fast same thing. Third try , O.K. now I backed the throttle down > to 1200 rpm on the downwind, all most idle, and on final down to idle and > just let the plane settle on it's own. The KR's elevator doesn't seem that > sensitive in flight but it is in landing, you don't flare like you do in a > Cherokee 140. The Kr needs only very little input. One thing I noticed > about the KR is that when your in full stall in landing and full throttle to > recover it's like a wasp on the attack, it just recovers and takes off right > now! The engine ran beautifully. Take off at 2850 rpms, cruise at 3500 > feet was 3100 rpms at full throttle, oil temp 180, oil pressure 60 at > cruise, Cht 350 during climb, Cht at cruise 300, Egt 1200 at cruise. No > flight instrument data yet, static system needs work the gauges could not be > read. > > Mike Garbez > N998MG > Griswold, IA > msgtlg@netins.net > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: oshkosh From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:21:42 -0700 X-Message-Number: 32 I agree with this. Here in Corvallis we are the grass roots and we go to Arlington, and to little fly-ins locally to meet folks, talk about airplanes, and see the guy mating a turbine engine onto his 4 seat Glasair. I want Oshkosh to take everyones admission, then put this into the lobbying fund to make sure that pilots who are careful can fly VFR at night, (I'm not one of these). We need $$$ to keep our small airports open and so I won't complain about Oshkosh... and I will have to take my KR there at least one time after it flys. -- Ross jscott.pilot@juno.com wrote: > > On Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:08:55 EDT EveninBrz@aol.com writes: > >In a message dated 8/2/1999 8:28:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >langford@hiwaay.net writes: > > > ><< especially the concentration on > > warbirds, >> > > > > > > There is no possable way in the world that I can relate to an > airplane > >that costs $1200.00 to fill up at the pump. I don't think that anyone > that is > >a real grass roots flyer can relate to that. > > Right there is where the EAA has lost touch with a lot of it's > members. > >What does something like that have in common with a KR, Dragonfly, > Vision, > >RV, or anything else that a working stiff can afford?? > > Yet how many times per year do you see a high dollar war bird on the > > >cover of the magazine? > > Kit planes does a much better job of covering the type of airplanes > that > >most of the members of the EAA fly than Sport Avaition does. > > Larry Shull > > EveninBrz@aol.com > > The EAA serves both masters. The Warbirds and high $$ sales is what > Oshkosh is all about. That's not necessarily a bad thing. The grass > roots in in your local EAA chapter, local and regional fly-ins including > the KR Gathering. At least that's the way it plays out here. > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213w construction and first flight at > http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Corvair From: Michael Taglieri Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:28:18 -0400 X-Message-Number: 33 >Some folks have asked for more info on the Corvair. See >http://www.omnispace.com/Corvair/infopack.htm , and you'll be converted! I >guess we don't hear about this stuff because much of the Corvair world isn't >on the Internet. I'll try to collect all my Corvair URLs and publish them >soon. It's a little hard to believe there's even such a thing as a "Corvair world." I thought the car was basically a failure that was discontinued after a few years, so parts would be hard to find. Does GM still make parts for it?!? Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Static Pressure Sources From: Michael Taglieri Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:07:42 -0400 X-Message-Number: 34 A tube-type static source with multiple holes on all sides is precisely how they say to do it in the plans, page 74. Mike Taglieri >OK, this subject is getting way too interesting to stay quiet. > >You may want to consider a tube-type static source. Close off the front and >drill small holes on each side. Rig it off the wing outside the span >affected by propwash. This is sometimes placed close to the dynamic source >tube. This can be affected by wing aerodynamics and has greater lag in the >system due to air volume and tube length. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Herb Bull From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:28:16 -0700 X-Message-Number: 35 If I'm not mistaken, he and his plane appeared in multiple back issues of the KR newsletter, either best KR, or various articles. -- Regards Ross EveninBrz@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/4/1999 7:02:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > ejanssen@chipsnet.com writes: > > << His name was Herb Bull, a personal friend of Steve Bennett's, GPASC. Very > nice guy and a great promoter of KRs through his artistic ability and other > things. Received best engine installation at one of the earlier KR > Gatherings - Covington, TN, I think. And yes, sadly, the coroner's report > indicated a heart attack had occurred while he was flying at Oshkosh. > > Ed Janssen >> > > Thank You, for letting me know. Think that I have seen the name before but > do not know him. > Larry Shull > Mail to EveninBrz@aol.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: oshkosh From: Michael Taglieri Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:11:05 -0400 X-Message-Number: 36 >> 808BS almost made it . He got as far as Mo. when his brand new ValCom >> radio stuck all four feet in the air and died. He and his son landed but the >> radio was not repaiable with what they had. They turned around and flew back >> to Tx. They flew a total of 8 hours round trip and were very >disappointed. >> >> Could not find a hand held at the little airport they landed at. >Speaking of the VAL COMM 760- I bought one new, put it in my plane, and >have had nothing but problems with it. 4 different problems since I >bought it 2 years ago. Are you not allowed to fly to Oshkosh if you don't have a radio, or did he just feel uncomfortable flying without one? Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR Gathering From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:34:51 -0700 X-Message-Number: 37 Mark, There were a few KR's at last years gathering, and I'm sorry I can't make it this year. (Too many other things in the fire). I used up all my fly-in points last year, going to the KR-gathering and Arlington. This year I had to take my wife to sun and surf for vacation. You should see multiple KR's and hear the KR song. You will get to meet in person many of the people and faces who have been on KR-net and in the newsletter. I had a great time last year and hope to fly out to next years gathering. For me it was great to get some up close photos of the engine installation, and see how Bob Muse Sr. solved the wing attach fitting access cover problem. Too bad I hadn't seen his spring pin door setup before I glassed my wings. I also got some up close looks at KR's that had been built using wing skins... guess what I'd do next time... yep, no hand lay ups for me! I'm going to get a loan to buy skins next time. -- Regards Ross Mark Jones wrote: > > I am curious as to how many people and how many KR's will be at the > gathering. This will be my first trip and I am looking forward to it! > Did we fill all the rooms that were set aside for us? Dana, maybe you > could shed some light on this. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Waukesha, WI > flykr2s@execpc.com > http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Its that time of year again From: Ross Youngblood Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:53:09 -0700 X-Message-Number: 38 Teleport has sent me my personal ISP bill, which means that the annual bill for KR-net is going to be coming due from Teleport for the next year. We have a little over $200 in the KR-net savings account so now is the time to send your donations for the next year. Send donations to: KR-net c/o Ross Youngblood 1109 NE Burke Pl Corvallis, OR 97330 Your admin is preparing to move to Phoenix, but since we haven't sold the house, the above address should be good at least through October 15th. I'd like to get any donations deposited by September when the bill is due so we can pay our annual bill. If we don't have enough funds to pay for a year in advance (we get two months free if we do this), I will go month to month while the funds hold out. The risk here is that if I forget to pay the bill on time... no KRNET for a couple of days every month... another reason I like to pay up annually, no service interuptions. Since Teleport has gone nationwide with the phone access I don't have to change any of our internet stuff once I move to Arizona. If you have already sent a check in the past year, my thanks! I apologize for not sending personal thank-yous to everyone who sends funds, and anyone who posts KR stuff on the web. This has and continues to be terrific fun, but this darn work stuff gets into the way. If I could figure a way to make a living doing KR-net stuff full time I would, in the meantime, working on KR-net keeps me out of bars, and out of the shop. -- Regards Ross mailto:krnet@krnet.org (admin account) frequently neglected mailto:rossy@teleport.com (admin personal email) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Fwd: Need to find] From: Ross Youngblood Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:04:08 -0700 X-Message-Number: 39 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A913B7D43F9007957F7FE405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------A913B7D43F9007957F7FE405 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail2 (mbox krnet) (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.31 1998/05/13) Wed Aug 4 23:45:57 1999) X-From_: msgtlg@netins.net Tue Jun 15 23:29:37 1999 Return-Path: Delivered-To: krnet@teleport.com Received: (qmail 25175 invoked by uid 10244); 15 Jun 1999 23:29:36 -0000 Delivered-To: krnet+krnet.org-X-krnet@krnet.org Received: (qmail 25170 invoked from network); 15 Jun 1999 23:29:35 -0000 Received: from ins20.netins.net (167.142.225.20) by smtp5.teleport.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 1999 23:29:35 -0000 Received: from msgtlg (grsw-03-098.dialup.netins.net [199.120.106.164]) by ins20.netins.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA26117 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:29:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000401beb786$ac229200$a46a78c7@msgtlg.netins.net> From: "garbez" To: Subject: Need to find Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:27:31 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Dear KR-net, I am trying to find an article written by Jim Faughn on the KR flight primer. I can't seem to find it in Mark Langford's web page. If anyone knows where I can find it or other flight testing articles please advise me where to look. Thanks, Mike Garbez N998MG msgtlg@netins.net --------------A913B7D43F9007957F7FE405-- --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com