From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 12:19 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: August 10, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Tuesday, August 10, 1999. 1. Diesel Engines website 2. Re: kr2-s for sale/or finish 3. KR-2S Construction FAQ 4. Re: KR-2S Construction FAQ 5. RE: spar grain 6. Re: Discouraged 7. Anyone in the Raliegh Area? 8. RE: More Superfil Questions 9. Engine Parts 10. Corvair engine links 11. project update - Langford 12. VW Engines 13. Re: Diesel Engines website 14. Re: Engine Parts 15. Re: postal scales 16. Re: VW Engines 17. Re: kr2-s for sale/or finish 18. Re: VW Engines 19. Re: VW Engines 20. Re: VW Engines 21. Re: Corvair engine links 22. Re: VW Engines 23. Web Site Moved ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Diesel Engines website From: "John Weikel" Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:54:19 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1 For anyone interested in diesel engines, take a look at www.zoche.de . This engine has been around for years and it looks like it is finally going into production. Lets see, that 150 hp in a KR should.............. John W KR-2S RW-6 Kerrville, Tx jandd@maverickbbs.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: kr2-s for sale/or finish From: "John Handy" Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 8:10:39 X-Message-Number: 2 Dave I am interested in your KR2s. Is it a taildragger or tri and do you have wing skins? Also do you have all of kit to complete? I am planning on using a type 4 engine- have garage full of type 4 parts from other projects. Asking price? Thanks,Jack Handy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR-2S Construction FAQ From: Steven Eberhart Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:24:42 -0500 (CDT) X-Message-Number: 3 I just reviewed Kim's work on the KR-2S Construction FAQ/Online manual and was very impressed. If you haven't looked at it lately - go and tahe a look at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ Be sure to look at Chapter 11 KR Test Plan. Kim has done a great job in editing Rick Junkin's Test Plan into a first class HTML page. THere have been 1586 hits on the web page since April 5, 1999. THat is an average of 12 hits a day. Not bad for a relatively unadvertized web site. Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com THE WING FLIES! - http://www.newtech.com/nlf for info on the new, flight tested, KRnet airfoils. Good job KRnet, you can be proud of your contribution to Sport Aviation. One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2S Construction FAQ From: Kimball Anderson Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:35:48 -0400 X-Message-Number: 4 >If you haven't looked at it lately - go and tahe a >look at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ > >Be sure to look at Chapter 11 KR Test Plan. Kim has done a great job in >editing Rick Junkin's Test Plan into a first class HTML page. The entire Test Plan is great. Although it's still a work in progress, Rick Junkin has put a LOT of work into it, and updates will be added as they become available. For you guys out there getting ready to fly your projects, this is a must-read. Be sure to look at the Appendices section while you're browsing. There are checklists galore that can be printed or saved and adapted to your individual needs. Kimball Anderson isleno@hargray.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: spar grain From: Rob v/d Merwe Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:17:54 +0200 X-Message-Number: 5 -----Original Message----- From: CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com [SMTP:CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com] Sent: 10 August 1999 01:10 To: infratig@global.co.za Subject: spar grain your strength comes from the way the grain is oriniated Well give us a clue , Which way???????? Rob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Discouraged From: Rob v/d Merwe Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:19:53 +0200 X-Message-Number: 6 -----Original Message----- From: Donald Reid [SMTP:donreid@erols.com] Sent: 10 August 1999 01:35 To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Re: Discouraged > > I had mounted the WAFs on my > > forward spars, getting ready to set the dihedral, when I noticed a crack in > > the center spar cap. The crack is horizontal, visible from the end. > This does not help you directly at this point, but one way to help avoid > those types of cracks is to put the wing ribs on the ends of the spars. > The spars crack from the humidity changes. If that surface is "cross > banded" with another piece of wood, the cracking will be prevented. > > Make a set of cutouts in the wing rib plywood that lets the WAF's > through, but leaves the outside end of the spar completely covered. > Most people cut the ribs to fit the front, middle, and aft sections of > the wing > Rob v/d Merwe wrote > ??????????????? Dont you think that all that that does is hide the problem > so you cant see them cracks. > Which way does the grain lie in the caps. this debate has always left me > with questioins. > If the grain is horizontal then there is a greater chance of the wood > cracking as the bolts just push the different layers apart, and there is a > greater chance of the chunk of wood just pulling out. However if the grain > was vertical, then the bolts would actually hold the different layers of > wood together. The suggestion of covering the end of the spar will prevent the crack from developing, so it does not hide a problem, since no problem exists. The grain orientation does not affect the strength of the bolted joint, so long as there is no localized cracking. The strength of the tye of joint that we are talking about comes from the bearing strength of the wood; that is, the load that the wood can take before it begins to crush. As long as the load orientation is parallel (in the same direction) to the fibers of the wood, the grain orientation makes no difference. If the load is applied perpendicular to the fibers of the wood, then it will tend to tear them apart and the joint will not be as strong. -- Rob again Sure I am very familiar with the type of joint. ZS WEC is mine, I built it, hence the thought that I was sharing. I am talking about : (1) The tendency for wood to split between annular rings, and not across them (2) The shear strength between the annular rings. (cohesion , one ring to hold onto the next) same reason as why the wood splits in the first instance. This is more of a concern in the bottom cap as the tension is the thing that will cause the let go , in the top compression cap the wood will not be experiencing the same type of shear problem. Lets give you an example. If you had to drill a hole vertically through a pack of cards and insert a bolt. hold the bolt and shake the cards, no cards fall away. Now drill that same hole through the cards horizontally (if you could ) grab that bolt and try pick up the cards, Well see what I mean, all the cut cards come away with the bolt. Now apply that principal to a spar cap and as I said dont hawl tooooooo hard as that bottom cap may just let those bolts pull out. happy landings Rob SA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Anyone in the Raliegh Area? From: Scott & Leslie Stanton Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:22:11 -0400 X-Message-Number: 7 Hey all, I just moved to Wake Forest NC from Orlando FL. I was able to see Dave's KR2 while down there, but did not get a chance to go for a flight (Darn Florida weather!!). Anyway, I was wondering if there are any flying KR2s, or even some being built in this area. Please email direct, since we don't need to waste more bandwidth than I already have. Thanks, Scott "I have plans, but nowhere to build" Stanton Wake Forest, NC mailto:slstanton@netzero.net ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: More Superfil Questions From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:03:02 -0300 X-Message-Number: 8 Toby The epoxies use needs of an exact relationship, be this in weight or in volume. I believe that it is a lot but easy to use discart syringes (I use it always and if you be carefully they are been able to re-use) They come in 5-10-20-40-60 cm3 and but big. It is necessary to settle down in exact way which is the relationship of volume, that is expressed by the provided quantities of hardening and resin. Once obtained the relationship, is a lot but simple to dose for volume by this way that for weight. Greetings Eduardo mailto emiglesias@cpenet.com.ar >Ok, let me get this straight. Is the ratio of the compounds supposed to be >mixed by weight or by volume? I think Mike Mims said he uses a digital >scale, which means he's using weight for the ratio. I'm a long way from >actually buying any of this stuff, so I honestly don't know which way it's >supposed to be mixed. But the ratio will be different, depending on whether >you're using weight or volume to measure (unless the two parts have the >exact same specific gravity). > >So should I add a digital scale to my list of KR-2 building tools? > >Toby Dunham >Houston, TX >homepage at http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/7013 > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: emiglesias@cpenet.com.ar >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Engine Parts From: GARYKR2@cs.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:54:26 EDT X-Message-Number: 9 Does anybody have any info or knowlege about the accesory case that was made by VOLKSPOWER some years back. Gary Hinkle, Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Corvair engine links From: "Mark Langford" Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:51:01 -0500 X-Message-Number: 10 MotorHeads, Some folks have been asking for more Corvair info, so I threw together a little page full of Corvair links at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair.html . It's the wave of the future, I'm tellin' ya... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: project update - Langford From: "Mark Langford" Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:49:27 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11 KRNetHeads, Like Don Reid (I'm impressed, by the way!), I just thought I'd let you know that I'm actually getting something done these days. One wing is about to take shape. Check it out at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kmarkl.html . The next wing will go much quicker, since I now know how to do it, and have already built all the spars, skins, controls, etc... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: VW Engines From: SClay10106@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:33:25 EDT X-Message-Number: 12 I have done some vw homework i have found a vw 2.0 type 1 engine new rebuild. i have been told the only difference between the 2.0 and 2180 is the 2180 has a roller bearing crank. is this 2.0 something i want to use and what has been found to be the best performance prop for the kr's maker and size ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Diesel Engines website From: "Steven & Anita Oliver" Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:06:10 -0600 X-Message-Number: 13 Looks like a nice engine, But how much does it cost? -----Original Message----- From: John Weikel To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 4:54 AM Subject: [kr-net] Diesel Engines website >For anyone interested in diesel engines, take a look at www.zoche.de . This >engine has been around for years and it looks like it is finally going into >production. Lets see, that 150 hp in a KR should.............. >John W >KR-2S >RW-6 >Kerrville, Tx >jandd@maverickbbs.com > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: saoliver@olp.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine Parts From: Tlongcrier@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:01:35 EDT X-Message-Number: 14 Gary - I don't have any specific infomation about the Volkspower accessory case, but I had one a couple of years back. I had bought a partially built kit from a guy who had bought it in the early '70,s - 1973, I think. It had the volks power case along with some literature on parts from one Gilbert Duty, I think. Duty was a VW engine converter and sold parts. Had price lists, etc.. Also had a good bit of HAPI literature. I did not do anything further to the kit, and sold it about 3 years or so ago. I had an l835 cc HAPI engine complete with accessories, including the VP case. The case had the starter mounted on the top and it had a slot in the side for and alternator belt to run through to a pulley on the end of the crankshaft. The pulley was sandwiched in between the fly wheel and the magneto connections. The alternater was externally mounted to the case with brackets and was belt driven from the pulley on the crankshaft. Gilbert Duty was in the business - located in North or South Carolina, I believe - of convertingVW engines, similarar to HAPI, during that era. He went out of business, as most of them did, but I don't know the reason why. I would imagine there is still some Gilbert Duty (and Volkspower?) lliterature out there. Some of the fellows with earlier prouduced kits and suppliers, or who completed a KR during that time frame? TLongcrier@aol.com Florence, AL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: postal scales From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:02:58 -0400 X-Message-Number: 15 Ed, Two things. 1. The lead weight on the wings for a KR1. 2. how much tenson on the control cables? I would like answers fron anyone. Thanks, R. W. Moore N115RM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Janssen To: KR-net users group Sent: Saturday, August 07, 1999 6:42 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: postal scales > Mark, > > Wouldn't a 1 to .27 ratio be otherwise stated as a 3.7 :1 ratio? That would > be way off. Your original 1 to 1.27 ratio looks much closer. > > Ed Janssen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Langford > To: KR-net users group > Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 11:52 AM > Subject: [kr-net] Re: postal scales > > > >WG Kirkland correctly pointed out that I screwed up the ratio part of my > >explanation. I originally had put 1 to .27 and decided that 1:.27 would > >look better but goofed up the editing on that. It should be 1 to .27 > rather > >than 1 to 1.27, if that makes any sense... > > > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > >see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ejanssen@chipsnet.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VW Engines From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:58:15 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 SClay10106@aol.com wrote: > i have been told the only difference between the 2.0 and 2180 is the 2180 has > a roller bearing crank. >>> I don't think there is no such animal as a "roller bearing crank" for a VW. What makes the 2180 a 2180 is a crank with increased stroke. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Mirror Site http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: kr2-s for sale/or finish From: "david tillema" Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:17:57 -0500 X-Message-Number: 17 Hello John, The plane is set up for a trike configuration, but could easily be converted to tail-dragger at this stage. I do not have wing skins. The left wing is pretty well done at this time. I do have all the "kit". The cowling will fit the 2180. At this time I would be willing to part with this plane for what materials I have in it , which are approximately $8000.00. I would also consider a part ownership option. I'm also seeking someone to simply finish this for me for a set price. But one way or another I'd like to see it fly. P.S. Know of anyone interested in a 0290 ? ----- Original Message ----- From: John Handy To: KR-net users group Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 8:10 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: kr2-s for sale/or finish > Dave > I am interested in your KR2s. Is it a taildragger or tri and do you have > wing skins? Also do you have all of kit to complete? I am planning on using > a type 4 engine- have garage full of type 4 parts from other projects. > Asking price? > Thanks,Jack Handy > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: dtillema@ev1.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VW Engines From: SClay10106@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:25:17 EDT X-Message-Number: 18 another question even if i buy the great plaines engine and accsessory kit does the carborator come with it or do i have to buy that seperately. what type carb should i use on a vw engine and how much is it ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VW Engines From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:39:23 -0700 X-Message-Number: 19 SClay10106@aol.com wrote: > > another question even if i buy the great plaines engine and accsessory kit > does the carborator come with it or do i have to buy that seperately. what > type carb should i use on a vw engine and how much is it Go to: http://www.greatplainsas.com/index.html -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Mirror Site http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VW Engines From: David Mullins Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:10:10 -0400 X-Message-Number: 20 Mike Mims wrote: > > SClay10106@aol.com wrote: > > > i have been told the only difference between the 2.0 and 2180 is the > 2180 has > > a roller bearing crank. >>> > > I don't think there is no such animal as a "roller bearing crank" for a > VW. What makes the 2180 a 2180 is a crank with increased stroke. Yes, There is such an animal. I believe EMPI or SCAT made one years ago. I have seen pictures in an engine book "How to Hot Rod VW Engines." There was also a supercharger made by JUDSON for the 36HP engines that bolted between the solex carb and manifold. A stock 2.0 VW would be a type 4 engine. If it is a Type 1 then the stock 15/1600cc engine was bored and stroked to 78 x 90mm( ) 76 x 92mm(2024cc), or 78 x 92mm(2074cc). The 2180cc size is 82 x 92mm. My Type 1 is 76 x 92(2024cc). I pulled it from my Baja Bug. It has a 76mm fully counterweighted crank, stroker rods, street eliminator heads 44/37 SS valves, Dual valve springs, ratio rockers, hydraulic lifters, Lightened flywheel, all have been balanced and blueprinted. Lots of torque to turn the 31" x 11.50" off-road tires. I went thru a couple of rear ends with it. I also ripped the tranny out of its mounts once when I did a burn-out at the dragstrip to see what the car would do. I estimate it has about 100-120 HP. I will tear it down soon to rebuild it and have a force-one hub mounted. I will do all the other aero conversion stuff to it also. Dave Mullins Nashua, NH KR2S or Bust!! '99 Gathering Bound Status: Center Spars Completed mailto:dmullins@ici.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Corvair engine links From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:13:45 EDT X-Message-Number: 21 Mark, You have been doing some serious homework!!! I don't think that you will have any trouble getting the HP that you are looking for. I built an engine for a 3 wheeler motorcycle for my wife some years ago. It had the big cylinders and 2 - 3 bbl Webber Carbs from a Porsch 6 cylinder. It made an awesome amount of power. At the time I had a 6 cylinder Kawasaki which was pretty fast and she had no trouble keeping me in sight as long as it was a straight line. I could lose her on a winding road because the trike wouldn't handle with the bike on corners but in a straight road I couldn't lose the thing. Looks like you are going to have more power than you know what to do with, if you can get it hooked up to a prop. Aren't you a bit worried about creating a small black hole behind the thing when it goes by?? Larry Shull EveninBrz@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VW Engines From: EveninBrz@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:27:04 EDT X-Message-Number: 22 In a message dated 8/10/1999 9:18:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mikemims@home.com writes: << I don't think there is no such animal as a "roller bearing crank" for a VW. What makes the 2180 a 2180 is a crank with increased stroke. >> Mike, There was a roller bearing crank made for the VW at one time. Had Caged rollers on the crank and on the rods. I think it was around the late 70's or early 80's that I ran into it. They were horrably expensive things and weren't very reliable at all. Just too much load for a roller bearing to handle. It made a lot of HP while it ran but they wouldn't run very long before letting go. You want to talk about a handgernade motor that was it! Larry Shull Mail To : EveninBrz@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Web Site Moved From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:34:28 -0700 X-Message-Number: 23 Web Surfer Heads, FYI I moved my site to: http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ For now the server seems to be fast and there are no pop up adds. That might change in the future but like I said for now it works great. Check it out when your bored and let me know how it works. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com