From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 12:12 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: August 22, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Sunday, August 22, 1999. 1. HAPI Alternator info for those with one 2. Re: HAPI Alternator info for those with one 3. Re: aileron counter balance arm 4. KR Plan update service 5. RFG842@aol.com: KR Plan update service 6. prop news 7. Re: KR Plan update service 8. Re: KR Plan update service 9. Revflow carburetors.... 10. Project update 11. Re: Revflow carburetors.... 12. Re: Revflow carburetors.... 13. Re: Revflow carburetors.... 14. Re: KR Plan update service 15. Re: Revflow carburetors.... 16. Re: Revflow carburetors.... 17. Re: KR Plan update service 18. Project update 19. Re: Casting Lead ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: HAPI Alternator info for those with one From: BSHADR@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 15:15:31 EDT X-Message-Number: 1 HAPIHeads: This on the DFly list in ref to HAPI Alternators. FYI. Randy Stein Soviet Monica, CA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The HAPI alternator is actually from a Wisconsin Industrial engine. All the parts are available thru any Wisconsin engine dealer. (look in the yellow pages under industrial engines) The original HAPI Regulator was put together by HAPI, but if you buy the parts from Wisconsin the Regulator & Rectifier are separate units. Regulator: YJ-60A Rectifier YJ-68 The Stator is available also, don't know the part number Go to the library and look for a manual on small Chiltons engine repair (Chilton's, etc.) it will tell how to test the alternator & give a wiring Diagram. If you have to charge the battery, disconnect the positive lead to the plane, or you'll fry the rectifier. I speak from experience!!! The wiring is as follows: YJ68 (rect) Blk to Blk; Blk to Blk rect to Alt. Wht to main BUS/Alt fuse or brkr YJ60A (reg): Red to red at Altntr; Blt to BAT to read voltage. Now, that said, if you get the damn thing to actually put out 14 volts, please tell me how? I.ve changed two rectifiers & regulators & still get only 12.5 volts at 2800 RPM. I'm told once I get up and flying it will work up to 14 volts. I hope so. For taxi tests, turn off one electronic ignition to save volts, or you'll find yourself with a dead engine along way from the hangar!!! (luckily. I have 1 electronic, 1 MAG). I was going to scrap it and figure out an external setup, but the guys here at Chino convinced me that it will work once in the air (but it still only puts out about 20AMPS), so keep your amp drain low. Good Luck Richard at Chino ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: HAPI Alternator info for those with one From: "J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd." Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:10:33 -0700 X-Message-Number: 2 -----Original Message----- From: BSHADR@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 12:21 PM Subject: [kr-net] HAPI Alternator info for those with one >This on the DFly list in ref to HAPI Alternators. FYI. > >Randy Stein >Soviet Monica, CA > Randy thanks for the info I'll put it in my records. KRRon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: aileron counter balance arm From: Ross Youngblood Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 15:17:40 -0700 X-Message-Number: 3 My counterbalance was made from .125 AL angle and is about 1.5"x3, and 1x5"x2" on the other piece of the "L". These are rough sizes (from memory). -- Ross Mike Mims wrote: > > WA7YXF@aol.com wrote: > > > > I am working from plans #5092 book 53 revised 1979 so, you know where I'm > > coming from. > > I always thought the aileron balance arms were made from the aluminum > that you get with the kit from (2"X 5" X .125 I think) RR. Its the same > stock that is used to make almost all of the controls. I got this idea I > think from looking at the drawing sheets. > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > Filling and Sanding again! > http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ > http://members.home.com/mikemims/ > Aliso Viejo CA > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR Plan update service From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:57:18 EDT X-Message-Number: 4 Caught some posts on the web which spoke to a plan update adding a piece of 1/4" alum angle to the rear of the firewall for engine mount bolt support. Thought I was pretty stupid to have missed this and I checked my plans purchased 3-15-95, serial no. 565, and plans dated 1992. Wasn't there. I consider this pretty critical and will retrofit, but will mean pulling the engine and mount, a task I'm not looking forward to. Don't know when this revision was made but have a suggestion for you lucky ones attending the gathering. Computer programs are updated and sold at a discount to original purchasers. Certified aircraft regularly issue AD notes detailing manatory and suggested updates. Could you talk Jeanette into issuing updates via diagrams, written instructions and or photos which have a bearing on performance and safety to the original purchasers of the KR plans? I think many of us would be willing to purchase these revisions and it would be an added source of income for Rand Robinson. I know that we all buy and build at our own risk, but sometimes you can cut the odds down a little. What do you think?? Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RFG842@aol.com: KR Plan update service From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:31:30 -0400 X-Message-Number: 5 --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: RFG842@aol.com To: "KR-net users group" Subject: [kr-net] KR Plan update service Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:57:18 EDT Message-ID: Caught some posts on the web which spoke to a plan update adding a piece of 1/4" alum angle to the rear of the firewall for engine mount bolt support. Thought I was pretty stupid to have missed this and I checked my plans purchased 3-15-95, serial no. 565, and plans dated 1992. Wasn't there. I consider this pretty critical and will retrofit, but will mean pulling the engine and mount, a task I'm not looking forward to. Don't know when this revision was made but have a suggestion for you lucky ones attending the gathering. Computer programs are updated and sold at a discount to original purchasers. Certified aircraft regularly issue AD notes detailing manatory and suggested updates. Could you talk Jeanette into issuing updates via diagrams, written instructions and or photos which have a bearing on performance and safety to the original purchasers of the KR plans? I think many of us would be willing to purchase these revisions and it would be an added source of income for Rand Robinson. I know that we all buy and build at our own risk, but sometimes you can cut the odds down a little. What do you think?? Bob --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: klw1953@juno.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com --------- End forwarded message ---------- I also missed the Alum angle stiffner, however in the course of building I used 2"X2" 1/4"plywood (the stuff used for the firewall) backer along with an alum. plate to keep the bolts from pulling through, if they pull all that through the upper fire wall support then I really got a problem. I also fitted a piece of 1" material into the corner under the upper shelf and against the upper fire wall support to ty it together as well. Also I would recommend S. Bennetts motor mount since it spreads the load out better.(3 mount points on top and 2 on the bottom. By the way, does anybody know how many gallons of UV Smooth Prime it takes to do the S model? Kenny ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: prop news From: "garbez" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:39:52 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 KRNetters, I took my prop off and took it to a fellow close to here and had the pitch checked, Wayne was right on, although the prop is stamped a 52-46, in reality it is a 52-50. This explains the lower RPMs. I don't have any way to get the 40 hours flown off before the gathering plus I have to get a different prop before I could carry a passenger anyway. So I have come up with an alternative to get my KR to the gathering. I had an old and I mean old 1968 15 foot camp trailer, I took the camper off the frame and am converting it to an airplane trailer. The frame was almost custom made for an airplane. With only slight modifications it is ready to go. Happy building and flying, we will see you at the gathering, Mike Garbez N998MG Griswold IA msgtlg@netins.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR Plan update service From: Ron Lee Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:13:53 -0600 X-Message-Number: 7 Something like this should be FREE. Ron Lee At 07:57 PM 8/22/99 EDT, you wrote: >Caught some posts on the web which spoke to a plan update adding a piece of >1/4" alum angle to the rear of the firewall for engine mount bolt support. > >Thought I was pretty stupid to have missed this and I checked my plans >purchased 3-15-95, serial no. 565, and plans dated 1992. Wasn't there. > >I consider this pretty critical and will retrofit, but will mean pulling the >engine and mount, a task I'm not looking forward to. > >Don't know when this revision was made but have a suggestion for you lucky >ones attending the gathering. Computer programs are updated and sold at a >discount to original purchasers. Certified aircraft regularly issue AD notes >detailing manatory and suggested updates. Could you talk Jeanette into >issuing updates via diagrams, written instructions and or photos which have a >bearing on performance and safety to the original purchasers of the KR plans? > I think many of us would be willing to purchase these revisions and it >would be an added source of income for Rand Robinson. > >I know that we all buy and build at our own risk, but sometimes you can cut >the odds down a little. > >What do you think?? > >Bob > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ronlee@pcisys.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR Plan update service From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:23:19 -0500 X-Message-Number: 8 > Something like this should be FREE. This reminds me. Bob Marcy came up with an "official" RR seat belt mounting scheme. I scanned and posted it at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/seat1.jpg and http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/seat2.jpg a couple of years ago. I believe this would be the only place you'll find it, short of calling RR and asking for it, if you knew it existed... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Revflow carburetors.... From: "Steve Glover" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:29:4 X-Message-Number: 9 Does anyone have any experience they would care to pass on regarding this carb? I need a new one and cannot afford the Ellison. Does it need carb heat, etc. I have been told it does not. also, does anyone have one for sale that is in servicable condition??? Thanks! Steve sglover@ix.netcom.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Project update From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:02:04 -0700 X-Message-Number: 10 Thought I would drop a line or two and report some progress from the Chino airplane factory. Haris used my Worm Drive Skil saw and built himself a table saw. He just mounted it to the bottom of the table (that I built my KR on) and we went to town tapering his outer spars. Man they came out perfect! He has also put in lots of hours on his horizontal and vertical stab. He is making really good progress and his work is outstanding. He recieved all his RR prepreg parts last week so that fueled his fire. Man the RR fiberglass parts are sure nice. On the Pig, I have been working just as hard. This weekend I plumbed the fuel system from the tank to the shut off valve and then to the filter. I stopped there until I decide if I want facet pump. I am leaning towards not installing one. I have 3/8s lines and feel they will supply adequate fuel without a pump. I also mounted my firewall and prepaired it for the fiberfax and stainless steel. I spent a good 2 hours truing up the edges of the engine cowling and got it ready to mount the piano hinge along the sides. I brought home the stuff I need to make the mold for the gear legs. I decided to build my own after chatting with a few of the Dragonfly guys who built theirs. I will copy the DD gear leg design but it will be 5 inches longer and a little thicker (7/8 inch) Also I will build the mold so the legs will place the wheels about 8.5 inches in front of the main spar. The gear will also have a wider foot print than I have now and it will be mounted to the spar in a much more secure manor. I figure I will save about 5 pounds with the new gear and it will be more aerodynamic. This all equals speed and safety, what more could you ask for? I will keep everyone posted on the gear leg building project. Haris weighed some parts today for those of you keeping track of how much parts weigh. I think his finished horizontal stab was 8 pounds, his elevator was 5 pounds and one of my ailerons was like 2.5 pounds. For that guy who keeps asking how much aileron weights weigh I will know next week. I plan to cast all mine next weekend. (aileron, elevator, and rudder). -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Revflow carburetors.... From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:05:14 -0700 X-Message-Number: 11 Steve Glover wrote: > > Does anyone have any experience they would care to pass on regarding this > carb? I need a new one and cannot afford the Ellison. Does it need carb > heat, etc. I have been told it does not. also, does anyone have one for > sale that is in servicable condition??? Steve your about a year too late! :o) I had a brand new one and sold it last year for $150 or so. From what I have heard they are good carbs and the cost for a new one is reasonable. I think they are $225 or so brand new. See my Revmaster webpage, it has the prices that they faxed to me about 6 months ago. http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/rev.html -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Revflow carburetors.... From: "BillStarrs" Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:30:25 -0700 X-Message-Number: 12 Mike I have a Mikuni diaphragm carburetor that has never been used because I didn't how to make it work on my Happy vw. I paid $175.00 for it You can have it for $75, if you think you can use it. I finally got a Revmaster Carb. Which works fine. Bill Starrs :Prescott,AZ -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 8:23 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Revflow carburetors.... >Steve Glover wrote: >> >> Does anyone have any experience they would care to pass on regarding this >> carb? I need a new one and cannot afford the Ellison. Does it need carb >> heat, etc. I have been told it does not. also, does anyone have one for >> sale that is in servicable condition??? > >Steve your about a year too late! :o) I had a brand new one and sold >it last year for $150 or so. From what I have heard they are good carbs >and the cost for a new one is reasonable. I think they are $225 or so >brand new. See my Revmaster webpage, it has the prices that they faxed >to me about 6 months ago. > >http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/rev.html > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Filling and Sanding again! >http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >Aliso Viejo CA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: bstarrs@cybertrails.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Revflow carburetors.... From: SClay10106@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:54:51 EDT X-Message-Number: 13 so do these carbs have carb heat or do they need it. also from the sounds of it you can use any kind of card you want is this a correct statement what makes the ellison special??? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR Plan update service From: Ross Youngblood Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:04:06 -0700 X-Message-Number: 14 Hey, In my plans dated 1988 the AL angle is there! Look in the three ring binder at the Firewall detail sketch. -- Regards Ross Ron Lee wrote: > > Something like this should be FREE. > > Ron Lee > > At 07:57 PM 8/22/99 EDT, you wrote: > >Caught some posts on the web which spoke to a plan update adding a piece of > >1/4" alum angle to the rear of the firewall for engine mount bolt support. > > > >Thought I was pretty stupid to have missed this and I checked my plans > >purchased 3-15-95, serial no. 565, and plans dated 1992. Wasn't there. > > > >I consider this pretty critical and will retrofit, but will mean pulling the > >engine and mount, a task I'm not looking forward to. > > > >Don't know when this revision was made but have a suggestion for you lucky > >ones attending the gathering. Computer programs are updated and sold at a > >discount to original purchasers. Certified aircraft regularly issue AD > notes > >detailing manatory and suggested updates. Could you talk Jeanette into > >issuing updates via diagrams, written instructions and or photos which > have a > >bearing on performance and safety to the original purchasers of the KR > plans? > > I think many of us would be willing to purchase these revisions and it > >would be an added source of income for Rand Robinson. > > > >I know that we all buy and build at our own risk, but sometimes you can cut > >the odds down a little. > > > >What do you think?? > > > >Bob > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ronlee@pcisys.net > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Revflow carburetors.... From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:03:54 -0700 X-Message-Number: 15 SClay10106@aol.com wrote: > > so do these carbs have carb heat or do they need it. also from the sounds of > it you can use any kind of card you want is this a correct statement what > makes the ellison special??? Its just a great carb, bolt it on and run it. We have two of them with a combined total hours of say 1000 and neither has ever been touched. In both cases the carb was removed from the box, bolted to the engine and it ran perfect the first time and neither has ever needed adjustment. All that being said I personally feel the price for the Ellison is nothing short of ridiculous. His carbs are not certified and cost more than certified airplane carbs (-2 is $600 and the -3 is $900). Figure that one out! -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Revflow carburetors.... From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:05:12 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 SClay10106@aol.com wrote: > > so do these carbs have carb heat or do they need it.>>> No they don't need carb heat but both companies recommend that you install carb heat. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR Plan update service From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:07:43 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Hey, > In my plans dated 1988 the AL angle is there! Look in the > three ring binder at the Firewall detail sketch. > > -- Regards > Ross > My plans are dated 1990 and its in them also (page 16). This looks like one of those "RTFP" situations! :o) RTFP= Read The Plans -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Project update From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:53:33 EDT X-Message-Number: 18 Folks, As Mike mentioned I have been making good progress lately. Elevator and stabilizor are mainly done. They weigh 5.5# and 8.0# respectively. I might add that I have increased the stabilizer/elevator span to 80 inches. Stabilizer is 23 inches at the root and 12 inches at the tip. The elevator is 10 inches at the root and 8 inches at the tips. I am using five hinges and brackets to counter balances at the tips. As they were my first ever layed up parts, I tended to overwet them. The outer spars are tapered and sanded down. Outer spars is the next major project. rear spars are all done. Today I glued the seat bach spruce piece. I should be ably to attach shear brace sometime this week. Now that the fiberglass parts are in. I plan to tackle the fuel tank first. I am leaning very strongly to make it removable. I know that it is extra weight but once that goes on there is no way to acess the engine mount bolts and anything that goes between the engine shear braces. The top front deck will have to be removable too. I'll keep you posted with any progress. I should have some pictures in electronic form by the end of next week and I will try to post them on my AOL members website. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Casting Lead From: Michael Taglieri Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:10:04 -0400 X-Message-Number: 19 >how much weight did you use. About 4 pounds, but as I said, I was NOT making this for an airplane, but for the flywheel of a piece of shop machinery, so the weight I used would have nothing to do with what you want on your aileron. I posted it just to describe the technique I was using. Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com