From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 12:13 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: August 24, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Tuesday, August 24, 1999. 1. Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) 2. Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) 3. Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) 4. KR Plan update service...dead horse 5. Re: ScotchPly 3M product 6. Re: EA-81 motor mount 7. Re: KR Plan update service...dead horse 8. Re: EA-81 motor mount 9. Re: ScotchPly 3M product 10. patching small foam dents 11. Re: ScotchPly 3M product 12. Re: EA-81 motor mount 13. Airplane Related, But NOT KR specific 14. what are you'all using to seal the wing gap. 15. Re: Don't use the RR retract locking system 16. RE: Project update 17. Re: Airplane Related, But NOT KR specific 18. Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) 19. Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) 20. Re: patching small foam dents 21. Re: EA-81 motor mount 22. Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) 23. Re: what are you'all using to seal the wing gap. 24. EA 81 25. Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) 26. Mounting of mtr mnt for revemanster engine 27. [Fwd: kr2] Project for sale!!! 28. KR-1 For sale 29. Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) From: "John Weikel" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:33:12 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1 I had an A & P tell me that if someone gave him a Continental engine for the plane he is building that he could not afford to overhaul it. Now that's an eye opening thought. John W KR-2S Kerrville, Tx jandd@maverickbbs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, August 23, 1999 9:02 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) >"J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd." wrote: >> >I have researched the Jabiru engine. Go to www.jabiru.net.au >Jabiru now has a 120 HP, 3 L, 6 cyl. engine which weights 161 lbs. twice >the >HP of a VW. >>>> > >2200 Jabiru Engine $8950 >3300 Jabiru Engine $12950 > >Ok so I was wrong, the 2200 cost slightly less than what I will have in >my plane. I also noticed they only have a 1000 TBO, gee seems like with >all the new technology that is used throughout these engines they would >have a higher TBO. So lets say a rebuild is gonna cost half of the >original price. That's $19,425 for 2000hrs of engine service. Suddenly >the Continental O-200 doesn't look so bad does it? As a matter of fact >the VW is looking even better! Heck you could buy 5 new VW long blocks >for the same price, forget rebuilding >them! > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Filling and Sanding again! >http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >Aliso Viejo CA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) From: "Ronald R. Eason" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:57:51 -0700 X-Message-Number: 2 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEEDFD.FB57D9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: John Weikel To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 4:36 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) >I had an A & P tell me that if someone gave him a Continental engine for the >plane he is building that he could not afford to overhaul it. Now that's an >eye opening thought. >John W >KR-2S >Kerrville, Tx >jandd@maverickbbs.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike Mims >To: KR-net users group >Date: Monday, August 23, 1999 9:02 PM >Subject: [kr-net] Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) > > >>"J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd." wrote: >>> >>I have researched the Jabiru engine. Go to www.jabiru.net.au >>Jabiru now has a 120 HP, 3 L, 6 cyl. engine which weights 161 lbs. twice >>the >>HP of a VW. >>>> >> >>2200 Jabiru Engine $8950 >>3300 Jabiru Engine $12950 >> >>Ok so I was wrong, the 2200 cost slightly less than what I will have in >>my plane. I also noticed they only have a 1000 TBO, gee seems like with >>all the new technology that is used throughout these engines they would >>have a higher TBO. So lets say a rebuild is gonna cost half of the >>original price. That's $19,425 for 2000hrs of engine service. Suddenly >>the Continental O-200 doesn't look so bad does it? As a matter of fact >>the VW is looking even better! Heck you could buy 5 new VW long blocks >>for the same price, forget rebuilding >>them! The 1000 hrs is based on Australia rules. Talking to a Australian's A&P that maintain them he says that they will go far beyond 1000. The compression check is what governs this. I guess everyone that hasn't seen them is a Authority. KRRon ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEEDFD.FB57D9E0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Eason Sr.;Ronald;R. FN:Ronald R. Eason Sr. ORG:J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd.;Engineering TITLE:C.E.O., President TEL;WORK;VOICE:816-468-4091 TEL;HOME;VOICE:816-468-4425 TEL;PAGER;VOICE:816-989-9692 TEL;WORK;FAX:816-468-5465 TEL;HOME;FAX:816-468-5465 ADR;WORK:;jrlkc@mindspring.com;7333 North = Brooklyn;Gladstone,;MO.;64118-2329;U.S.A. LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:jrlkc@mindspring.com=3D0D=3D0A7333= North Brooklyn=3D0D=3D0AGladstone,, MO. 64118-232=3D 9=3D0D=3D0AU.S.A. ADR;HOME:;;7333 N. Brooklyn;Gladstone,;MO.;64118-2329;U.S.A. LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:7333 N. = Brooklyn=3D0D=3D0AGladstone,, MO. 64118-2329=3D0D=3D0AU.S.A. URL: URL:http://jrl-engineering.com EMAIL;INTERNET:ron@jrl-engineering.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:jrlkc@mindspring.com REV:19990824T135750Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BEEDFD.FB57D9E0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) From: "Ronald R. Eason" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:06:26 -0700 X-Message-Number: 3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BEEDFF.2E97DB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Monday, August 23, 1999 6:13 PM Subject: [kr-net] Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) >Tom Raby GRE/ER PwrSysOp wrote: >> >> Is anyone flying with a Jabiru engine? I thought it would be perfect in the >> KR-2S my son and I are building. Others advise to stick with the VW like >> the Great Plains 70 hp conversion. > >Cost is the big factor here. I don't know if there is such a thing as an >engine that's too light but if you use one that is less than 150 pounds >on a KR you will need to build your own motor mount so that you can >mount the engine further forward. I don't know how much a Jabaru cost >these days but I am willing to bet my entire project will cost less >(including engine). > >-- Everyone knows that cheaper is better? Or do you get the best that you can afford and what you want. KRRon ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BEEDFF.2E97DB60 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Ronald R. Eason Sr..vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Eason Sr.;Ronald;R. FN:Ronald R. Eason Sr. ORG:J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd.;Engineering TITLE:C.E.O., President TEL;WORK;VOICE:816-468-4091 TEL;HOME;VOICE:816-468-4425 TEL;PAGER;VOICE:816-989-9692 TEL;WORK;FAX:816-468-5465 TEL;HOME;FAX:816-468-5465 ADR;WORK:;jrlkc@mindspring.com;7333 North = Brooklyn;Gladstone,;MO.;64118-2329;U.S.A. LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:jrlkc@mindspring.com=3D0D=3D0A7333= North Brooklyn=3D0D=3D0AGladstone,, MO. 64118-232=3D 9=3D0D=3D0AU.S.A. ADR;HOME:;;7333 N. Brooklyn;Gladstone,;MO.;64118-2329;U.S.A. LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:7333 N. = Brooklyn=3D0D=3D0AGladstone,, MO. 64118-2329=3D0D=3D0AU.S.A. URL: URL:http://jrl-engineering.com EMAIL;INTERNET:ron@jrl-engineering.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:jrlkc@mindspring.com REV:19990824T140626Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BEEDFF.2E97DB60-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR Plan update service...dead horse From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 05:24:04 PDT X-Message-Number: 4 David wrote: >I'd like to know what needs changing BEFORE I build it rather >than after. >I'd be glad to buy a booklet with the necessary fixes in it. It ain't gonna happen. The answers are out there, but not from R-R. I know it's been said here many times before, but the official position at R-R has seemed to be that they have no interest in supporting builders past, present, or future as far as trying to catch up the design to the present. They have no interest in upgrading the plans or methods (even when this assistance has been offered to them for free), or of selling the rights to folks who DO have an interest in improving the marque. They discourage any changes to the design, methods, or materials. "Just build it to plans; hundreds have flown successfully that way" seems to be the logic. They sell what they sell to whoever might be willing to buy, "as is". I can't say that I blame them, since issuing a list of "fixes" is an admission of guilt or a recognition that there are deficiencies in the design (especially the older editions). Not only that, but it would be impossible to track down all plans holders to notify them that such a list of fixes is even available... and if they start trying to reach them and miss a few, it can be argued that they didn't try hard enough and it's because of that that somebody drilled it in. No, the KR is not like an RV or a Lancair or a KitFox. You can't call the factory for technical support, or attend a factory-sponsored builders' workshop, or buy a tech reference. It's a builder's airplane, not a kit. It takes time and devotion to build one. Answers are available right here on the KRNet, and on web pages out there, and in the archives- but it takes digging and sticking with it. KR folks seem to be fiercely loyal, though. Or wacky, maybe ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/index.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ScotchPly 3M product From: "Richard Parker" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:48:57 PDT X-Message-Number: 5 Dr. Dean and myself went on that quest about a year ago and came up empty. I even had a friend who works for 3M look into it. As you can see Dr Dean went with 7075 AL. I'm still thinking hard. Rich Parker Cow Hampshire >If any of you guys out there have plans of finding a sheet of ScotchPly >(3M) and cutting your own gear legs here is the first quote I received >so far. 7/8 thick unidirectional 4'x8' sheet is $6000.00. Those homemade >gear legs are looking better all the time! :o) > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Filling and Sanding again! >http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >Aliso Viejo CA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: EA-81 motor mount From: "Richard Parker" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:51:21 PDT X-Message-Number: 6 Has anyone calculated the motor mount distance for a Direct drive ea-81 subaru? I'm about to start welding mine up and the latest had heard was about 11 inches from firewall to the back of the engine. Rich Parker _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR Plan update service...dead horse From: Kr2dream@aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:13:22 EDT X-Message-Number: 7 In defense of Jeanette I believe the comments were overstated. Jeanette recommended to me when I bought my plans that I use the Diehl fixed gear instead of hers because it was better. She also sent me a drawing of the Continental engine mount when I said I was considering an alternative to the VW specified. She has invested heavily in development of fast-build wing skins as well. I have also seen the CAD drawings that now exist which are a considerable improvement. The urging of builders to "Build to plans" is important from the product liability considerations. It is also smart because there are a lot of builders who get excited about changes which are untested and don't realize that they might be affecting other parameters unknowingly. I have had my share of frustrations when I needed "immediate" answers and didn't get them but overall I have found RR to be doing a reasonable job considering they provide a plans-built airplane, not a "kit". I recently had a chance to fly a Lancair which was GREAT. And the owner had ONLY $45,000 invested in it. I'll keep my KR and be happy. Bob Lasecki Chicago ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: EA-81 motor mount From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:34:58 -0400 X-Message-Number: 8 Rich: I would like to know how u make out with ur mount. I will be working on mine this winter. Thanks Bill W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: Richard Parker > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: EA-81 motor mount > Date: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 9:51 AM > > Has anyone calculated the motor mount distance for a Direct drive ea-81 > subaru? I'm about to start welding mine up and the latest had heard was > about 11 inches from firewall to the back of the engine. > > Rich Parker > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ScotchPly 3M product From: "Jim Sellars" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:36:02 -0300 X-Message-Number: 9 Richard, about the composite tech info and subscription sheet that you had told us about? I can't get through to the fax number. Can you help further. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker To: KR-net users group Date: August 24, 1999 11:19 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: ScotchPly 3M product >Dr. Dean and myself went on that quest about a year ago and came up empty. I >even had a friend who works for 3M look into it. As you can see Dr Dean went >with 7075 AL. I'm still thinking hard. > >Rich Parker >Cow Hampshire > >>If any of you guys out there have plans of finding a sheet of ScotchPly >>(3M) and cutting your own gear legs here is the first quote I received >>so far. 7/8 thick unidirectional 4'x8' sheet is $6000.00. Those homemade >>gear legs are looking better all the time! :o) >> >>-- >>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >>Micheal Mims >>Filling and Sanding again! >>http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ >>http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >>Aliso Viejo CA >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >> > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jsellars@mon.auracom.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: patching small foam dents From: smithr Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:07:10 -0400 X-Message-Number: 10 --------------920EA62E1953D3D9875EF998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found that small foam dents seem to be harder to patch than the big ones because the glue forms high ridges at the edges. I am now glassing my hstab and have found a trick that seems to work well to patch the inevitable small foam dents you get prior to glassing. (the big ones patch easy, just cut out a chunk and glue in a new chunk). First I mask off the unwanted area with tape and paper, leaving only the dent showing. Then I spray on a very light mist of spray adhesive. Then I pour on excess foam "dust" left over from previous sanding jobs and press it into place. Wait a little for it to dry, blow off the excess dust, and then sand off the resulting "lump" of foam to contour. (repeat if more is needed) This works for me and is easy The top of my hstab is now glassed. My hstab layup looks great so far!! Looks like an actual airplane part! Bob Smith Albany, NY Doing a little each day and getting something accomplished --------------920EA62E1953D3D9875EF998 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found that small foam dents seem to be harder to patch than the big ones because the glue forms high ridges at the edges.

I am now glassing my hstab and have found a trick that seems to work well to patch the inevitable small foam dents you get prior to glassing.  (the big ones patch easy, just cut out a chunk and glue in a new chunk).

First I mask off the unwanted area with tape and paper, leaving only the dent showing. Then I spray on a very light mist of spray adhesive. Then I pour on excess foam "dust" left over from previous sanding jobs and press it into place. Wait a little for it to dry, blow off the excess dust, and then sand off the resulting "lump" of foam to contour. (repeat if more is needed)

This works for me and is easy

The top of my hstab is now glassed. My hstab layup looks great so far!!  Looks like an actual airplane part!

Bob Smith  Albany, NY   Doing a little each day and getting something accomplished
 
  --------------920EA62E1953D3D9875EF998-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ScotchPly 3M product From: "Richard Parker" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:50:18 PDT X-Message-Number: 11 I just tried it and its working. The fax number is 651-686-4883 The address for the subscription sheet is http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/comp2.bmp Rich Parker >From: "Jim Sellars" >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Re: ScotchPly 3M product >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:36:02 -0300 > >Richard, about the composite tech info and subscription sheet that you had >told us about? I can't get through to the fax number. Can you help >further. Jim >-----Original Message----- >From: Richard Parker >To: KR-net users group >Date: August 24, 1999 11:19 AM >Subject: [kr-net] Re: ScotchPly 3M product > > > >Dr. Dean and myself went on that quest about a year ago and came up >empty. >I > >even had a friend who works for 3M look into it. As you can see Dr Dean >went > >with 7075 AL. I'm still thinking hard. > > > >Rich Parker > >Cow Hampshire > > > >>If any of you guys out there have plans of finding a sheet of ScotchPly > >>(3M) and cutting your own gear legs here is the first quote I received > >>so far. 7/8 thick unidirectional 4'x8' sheet is $6000.00. Those homemade > >>gear legs are looking better all the time! :o) > >> > >>-- > >>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > >>Micheal Mims > >>Filling and Sanding again! > >>http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ > >>http://members.home.com/mikemims/ > >>Aliso Viejo CA > >>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> > >>--- > >>You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com > >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________________________ > >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jsellars@mon.auracom.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: EA-81 motor mount From: "Tom Andersen" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:34:52 -0400 X-Message-Number: 12 Has anyone weighed the DD EA-81 soob turbo? I think this would be the best way to start. I think they're 189lbs, plus 25lbs for fluids and radiator. Not bad for 100hp. -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 10:25 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: EA-81 motor mount >Has anyone calculated the motor mount distance for a Direct drive ea-81 >subaru? I'm about to start welding mine up and the latest had heard was >about 11 inches from firewall to the back of the engine. > >Rich Parker > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: tomkr2s@t-three.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Airplane Related, But NOT KR specific From: Donald Reid Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:03:00 -0400 X-Message-Number: 13 If you don't want to hear me gloat, then delete this right now .... I just got back from by parent's house with a truck load of airplane parts, ... a big truck. Back in the mid '60s, my father bought out the estate of an FBO/A&P. He used a few things over the years, but most of it just took up space. He finally deceided that he needed to clean out some stuff and I got the goodies. To go along with my own O-200, I now have a Lyc R-680, a Lyc O-290-G, a disassembled Cont A75, a four cylinder Franklin, a six cylinder Franklin, 3 McColluc (sp) O-90's, and enough brand new (make that unused) Franklin parts to rebuild at least two engines. Not to mention boxes of miscellaneous treasures. As I have time, I will catalog all of this stuff and post it on a web page. Some day, a lot of this stuff will be available for renovators. Gloat, gloat, gloat. He who has the most toys, wins. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: what are you'all using to seal the wing gap. From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:49:49 -0400 X-Message-Number: 14 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01BEEE69.D373A1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What are you using to seal the wing gap from the center wing and the = otter pannel wing?=20 R. W. Moore ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01BEEE69.D373A1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What are you using to seal the wing gap = from the=20 center wing and the otter pannel wing?
R. W. Moore
 
------=_NextPart_000_0089_01BEEE69.D373A1E0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Don't use the RR retract locking system From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:41:16 -0400 X-Message-Number: 15 The latcking system was designed by Rex Taylor of HAPI. I bought the the first one that rex made. The system was on the plane I have that Rex never completed (N115RM) I have added up and down lights so I will know when the pins are in place. Rex and Patrick and Patrick Taylor are great people. R. W. Moore ----- Original Mearticssage ----- From: Parley Byington To: KR-net users group Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 9:17 PM Subject: [kr-net] Don't use the RR retract locking system > Tom > > Most people that have the original retract system on their KR's have > retrofitted the locking system. The original lock systems don't. I speak > from experience. You don't want to spend six months and many $$ to repair > your engine, cowling, antenna's and paint job because of a poorly designed > lock system. > > I just finished repairing the above mentioned articles on my bird for that > very reason. I had a total of about 150 hours on my KR-2 when the latches > decided to pop up after landing and ruin my whole day. The prop alone was > $600.00. I also rebuilt the engine with new crankshaft and heads, this was > another approixiately $1000.00. Plus the time to do the rebuild and worst > of all not having an airplane to fly during the process. > > The new system uses two 3/8 locking pins that slide into mating holes in two > 1/2 inch aluminum arches mounted to the floor and the main spar at the hinge > for the gear. I believe this system was designed by the folks that sold > HAPI engines. I have the drawings if you want them let me know and I will > scan them in and send them to you. > > Another thing you may not be aware of is the incorrect gear leg bolts . The > original plans call for AN-3 bolts to hold the main gear legs onto the > spring bar. These little 3/16 dia. bolts pulled right through the nuts on > the second landing of my bird. This cost me six months work, a new prop and > a lot of grey hairs. When I contacted Rand Robinson about it they said, " > Oh yea, we have had several KR's do that, we recommend putting bigger bolts > in the gear legs." I haven't given Rand Robinson the time of day since. > You can also purchase your canopy from Aircraft Spruce for about half what > R&R will charge you. > > I hope this information helps, let me know if I can provide further help. > > Regards, and happy building. > Parley (N54PB) > parley@anv.net > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom_Livingston@Pass-Seymour.com > To: KR-net users group > Date: Monday, August 23, 1999 5:20 AM > Subject: [kr-net] Re: KR Plan update service > > > > > > > >On my KR2, I found the angle specified on the gear latches was > unsatisfactory. > >The latches would cam out of the locking brackets. I corrected the problem > on my > >plane by re-making the latches with a slightly undercut locking surface. > Now the > >gear locks don't try to come out from the latch brackets. I will begin test > >flying in a few weeks... I HOPE I am correct. During taxi testing the > re-worked > >gear latches have worked fine.. > > > > > > > > > >"David & Jo Ann Lininger" on 08/23/99 02:44:43 AM > > > >Please respond to "KR-net users group" > > > >To: "KR-net users group" > >cc: (bcc: Tom Livingston/PSL/US) > > > >Subject: [kr-net] Re: KR Plan update service > > > > > > > > > >I second Bob's suggestion. My plans were purchased in the mid 70's, > >and I finally got around to start working a few years ago, only to > >get swamped at work and then change jobs and homes. I've been getting > >the print newsletter for a couple of years now and just subscribed to > >this forum last week. I'd like to know what needs changing BEFORE I > >build it rather than after. > > > >Last summer a builder told me that the original retracts have a > >tendency to retract on their own (like on the taxiway or in the > >hanger!). True? What to do? I don't have time to chase down every KR > >story to find out if it really is true, what caused the problem, and > >then figure out a fix. I'd be glad to buy a booklet with the > >necessary fixes in it. Maybe this could be published with all the > >fixes up to publication date, and then annually thereafter. First one > >would be expensive, but the updates probably wouldn't be more than a > >few dollars each year. Pretty cheap insurance! > > > > > >David Lininger > >Rev. 2:10c > >djlinin@todays-tech.com > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: Tom_Livingston@Pass-Seymour.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: parley@anv.net > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Project update From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:12:38 -0300 X-Message-Number: 16 Mike I don't have resolved still if my gear leggs will be retractile or fixed, but I have a lot of interest in the development that you are making and I would thank you if you have bigger precisions. Eduardo -----Mensaje original----- De: Mike Mims Para: KR-net users group Fecha: Lunes, 23 de Agosto de 1999 12:08 a.m. Asunto: [kr-net] Project update >Thought I would drop a line or two and report some progress from the >Chino airplane factory. Haris used my Worm Drive Skil saw and built >himself a table saw. He just mounted it to the bottom of the table (that >I built my KR on) and we went to town tapering his outer spars. Man they >came out perfect! He has also put in lots of hours on his horizontal and >vertical stab. He is making really good progress and his work is >outstanding. He recieved all his RR prepreg parts last week so that >fueled his fire. Man the RR fiberglass parts are sure nice. > >On the Pig, I have been working just as hard. This weekend I plumbed the >fuel system from the tank to the shut off valve and then to the filter. >I stopped there until I decide if I want facet pump. I am leaning >towards not installing one. I have 3/8s lines and feel they will supply >adequate fuel without a pump. I also mounted my firewall and prepaired >it for the fiberfax and stainless steel. I spent a good 2 hours truing >up the edges of the engine cowling and got it ready to mount the piano >hinge along the sides. > >I brought home the stuff I need to make the mold for the gear legs. I >decided to build my own after chatting with a few of the Dragonfly guys >who built theirs. I will copy the DD gear leg design but it will be 5 >inches longer and a little thicker (7/8 inch) Also I will build the mold >so the legs will place the wheels about 8.5 inches in front of the main >spar. The gear will also have a wider foot print than I have now and it >will be mounted to the spar in a much more secure manor. I figure I >will save about 5 pounds with the new gear and it will be more >aerodynamic. This all equals speed and safety, what more could you ask >for? I will keep everyone posted on the gear leg building project. > >Haris weighed some parts today for those of you keeping track of how >much parts weigh. I think his finished horizontal stab was 8 pounds, his >elevator was 5 pounds and one of my ailerons was like 2.5 pounds. > >For that guy who keeps asking how much aileron weights weigh I will know >next week. I plan to cast all mine next weekend. (aileron, elevator, and >rudder). > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Filling and Sanding again! >http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >Aliso Viejo CA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: emiglesias@cpenet.com.ar >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Airplane Related, But NOT KR specific From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:27:52 -0400 X-Message-Number: 17 At 07:03 PM 08/24/1999 -0400, you wrote: >If you don't want to hear me gloat, then delete this right now .... > >I just got back from by parent's house with a truck load of airplane >parts, ... a big truck. > >Gloat, gloat, gloat. >He who has the most toys, wins. > Or at least has the most fun. (-; Congrads on the winfall. WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:50:30 -0700 X-Message-Number: 18 John Weikel wrote: > > I had an A & P tell me that if someone gave him a Continental engine for the > plane he is building that he could not afford to overhaul it. Now that's an > eye opening thought.>>>>> Now that has to be one of the biggest crocks of &$@# that I have seen on the KRNet! If this poor guy cant afford to rebuild a O-200 how in the hell does he expect to build a safe reliable airplane. These are the kinds of stories that turn people away from possibly the best engine out there for aircraft of a 100hp. I just don't understand some of you guys. You are willing to fork over $13,000 for an unproven, foreign made engine but god help us if you had to pay $4000 to rebuild a C85 or a O-200. Some of you got your priorities in the weirdest freaking places! -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:53:47 -0700 X-Message-Number: 19 "Ronald R. Eason" wrote: > > I guess everyone that hasn't seen them is a Authority. > > KRRon Yeah I guess this holds true for all the dorks who claim a O-200 cost $50,000 to rebuild to eh? -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: patching small foam dents From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:57:07 -0700 X-Message-Number: 20 smithr wrote: > > I am now glassing my hstab and have found a trick that seems to work > well to patch the inevitable small foam dents you get prior to > glassing. >> Isn't Urethane foam great?!? Build it to plans and learn to hate urethane! -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: EA-81 motor mount From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:59:56 -0700 X-Message-Number: 21 Tom Andersen wrote: > > Has anyone weighed the DD EA-81 soob turbo? I think this would be the best > way to start. I think they're 189lbs, plus 25lbs for fluids and radiator. > Not bad for 100hp. > -Tom Tom that is a very close number. And your right its a good weight for 100 HP, even 90 HP. The guy that weighed the Stratus unit for me said 235 pounds and that included the rad and fluids. Remove the redrive and I think 190 is a good number. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) From: "John Weikel" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:37:10 -0500 X-Message-Number: 22 Wow Mike, I am so sorry that my post offended you. Never the less that's what the man said. I don't recall saying a thing about him spending $13,000 for one of those sorry old foreign made engines. I guess if you merge the contents of several posts together most anybody can find something to blow their stack about. By the way, the Pietenpol that this man is building appears to be of top quality in both materials and craftsmanship. He has been working on it for several years now.... John W -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 7:50 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) >John Weikel wrote: >> >> I had an A & P tell me that if someone gave him a Continental engine for the >> plane he is building that he could not afford to overhaul it. Now that's an >> eye opening thought.>>>>> > > >Now that has to be one of the biggest crocks of &$@# that I have seen on >the KRNet! If this poor guy cant afford to rebuild a O-200 how in the >hell does he expect to build a safe reliable airplane. These are the >kinds of stories that turn people away from possibly the best engine out >there for aircraft of a 100hp. I just don't understand some of you >guys. You are willing to fork over $13,000 for an unproven, foreign made >engine but god help us if you had to pay $4000 to rebuild a C85 or a >O-200. Some of you got your priorities in the weirdest freaking places! > > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Filling and Sanding again! >http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >Aliso Viejo CA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: what are you'all using to seal the wing gap. From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:40:34 EDT X-Message-Number: 23 For the wing gap cover- Lay out and secure a 5" piece of clear plastic all way around the wing at the gap. Lay up about three to four plies of fiber glass about 3 to four inches wide onto the plastic and let cure until the next day (epoxy is best). Sand off any rough spots and start micro ballooning until you get a nice smooth finish. Peal it off the plastic, dress up the edges and walla, one wing gap seal. Use small metal screws to secure it to both sides of the wing panels. Don Clarke ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: EA 81 From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:43:34 EDT X-Message-Number: 24 Hey guys, I still have that Subaru EA 81 for sale. I could not find any way to get it to Argentina so it is still up for grabs at $500.00. For particulars call 915-755-0588 or E me. Don Calrke. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:49:59 -0700 X-Message-Number: 25 John Weikel wrote: > > Wow Mike, I am so sorry that my post offended you. Never the less that's > what the man said. >>>> That wasn't meant as a direct attack on you, I don't kill the messenger! :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Mounting of mtr mnt for revemanster engine From: "cleo greenhaw" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:26:17 X-Message-Number: 26 can anyone give me the mounting location for the motor mount for a revemaster motor mount. lynis your message did not come thru. thanks, thanks, thanks. cleo greenhaw cleo@fullnet.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [Fwd: kr2] Project for sale!!! From: Mark Jones Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:45:59 +0000 X-Message-Number: 27 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4C77212B78FB34A70BCDCADD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Guys, I was looking at AV Web's site classifieds experimental aircraft for sale. Found a KR2 in Ohio listed for $600.00 dollars. I e-mailed the guy and this was his response. I don't need anything he has but I thought some of you might be interested. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI flykr2s@execpc.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage --------------4C77212B78FB34A70BCDCADD Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from b.mx.execpc.com (b.mx.execpc.com [169.207.2.102]) by core0.mx.execpc.com (8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29309 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:29:42 -0500 (CDT) Return-Path: Received: from tigger.axom.com (tigger.axom.com [206.183.242.9]) by b.mx.execpc.com (8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11149 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:29:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from default (mtv-068.axom.com [209.115.94.68]) by tigger.axom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA14991 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908220129.VAA14991@tigger.axom.com> Reply-To: From: "francis flood" To: Subject: kr2 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:30:10 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 this is francis.the main fusalage is mostly done.the control cables are in. the landing gear are on.the are fixed fiberglass.i have the brakes for it and the bubble canope,wingspars.and the preformed fiberglass sheets fot the top of the wings.i am located in mount vernon ohio.our airport is knox county.[4i3] for more info call weekdays at [740-397-3111]. thank you francis l flood --------------4C77212B78FB34A70BCDCADD-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR-1 For sale From: SClay10106@aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:50:28 EDT X-Message-Number: 28 Kit is 70% complete must sell Van Nuys airport area KVNY 818-203-1451 asking $700.00 obo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Jabaru engine? Why not? (was something else) From: Michael Taglieri Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:47:28 -0400 X-Message-Number: 29 This thread happens over and over, and it's getting rather tiresome. Some people on the list want to power their planes with salvaged engines from certified planes, in part because their planes may have been built much larger than the original design and wouldn't perform well with smaller engines. Other people want to go with VWs, others want Subarus, and others want to the Jabiru, which seems to be a improved design over a VW for more money. So let them. All of these engines have been used successfully in planes and none of you are going to convert one another. This running down of each others' engine choices over and over is just wasted bandwidth. Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! 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