From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 12:17 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: August 26, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Thursday, August 26, 1999. 1. Re: ScotchPly 3M product 2. Re: Don't use the RR retract locking system 3. Re: what are you'all using to seal the wing gap. 4. Re: EA-81 motor mount 5. Re: what are you'all using to seal the wing gap. 6. Airplane related, and KR specific (no archive) 7. Gearup landings. 8. Re: Gearup landings. 9. C:\CoolProgs\Pretty Park.exe 10. Re: patching small foam dents 11. Re: KR Plan update service 12. VIRUS 13. Re: patching small foam dents 14. Re: VIRUS 15. Re: VIRUS 16. Fwd: Re: patching small foam dents 17. Re: patching small foam dents 18. Re: Fwd: Re: patching small foam dents 19. New gear latching mech. 20. Gearup landing damage 21. Suggestion for KRNet attacment policy 22. Re: Gearup landing damage 23. Re: Gearup landing damage 24. I'll be back 25. Re: Fwd: Re: patching small foam dents 26. Re: Gearup landing damage 27. Re: VIRUS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: ScotchPly 3M product From: * Flesner * Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 07:41:15 X-Message-Number: 1 Netters, If you need some gear leg material, try to get some legs from a Yankee, or it's brothers. I believe it is the same material but is one inch (?) instead of 5/8th (?) as is the Diehl legs. Les Palmer is using them on his bird. Check the salvage yards. Larry Flesner ( nine years and still building) TriPacer 2917P , official photo ship for the Gathering ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Don't use the RR retract locking system From: marmet Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:02:48 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 --Boundary_(ID_oTwmq0z2YiGwENWJxzEOkw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Parley Byington wrote: > Tom > > Most people that have the original retract system on their KR's have > retrofitted the locking system. The original lock systems don't. I speak > from experience. You don't want to spend six months and many $$ to repair > your engine, cowling, antenna's and paint job because of a poorly designed > lock system. > > > Regards, and happy building. > Parley (N54PB) > parley@anv.net > HI! I've had the same thing happen to me and would very much like to have the revised locking mechanism. Those little AN3 bolts broke off and the plane landed on the belly braking the prop an so on...... My E-mail address is. marmet2@videotron.ca Your help would be greatly appreciated. J.C. C-GZFF Quebec, Canada --Boundary_(ID_oTwmq0z2YiGwENWJxzEOkw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit

Parley Byington wrote:

Tom
Most people that have the original retract system on their KR's have
retrofitted the locking system. The original lock systems don't. I speak
from experience. You don't want to spend six months and many $$ to repair
your engine, cowling, antenna's and paint job because of a poorly designed
lock system.

Regards, and happy building.
Parley (N54PB)
parley@anv.net

HI!
I've had the same thing happen to me and would very much like to have the revised locking mechanism.
Those little AN3 bolts broke off and the plane landed on the belly braking the prop an so on......
My E-mail address is. marmet2@videotron.ca Your help would be greatly appreciated.

J.C.
C-GZFF
Quebec, Canada --Boundary_(ID_oTwmq0z2YiGwENWJxzEOkw)-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: what are you'all using to seal the wing gap. From: KRBLUCH@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:20:39 EDT X-Message-Number: 3 3" wide racers tape works for me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: EA-81 motor mount From: KRBLUCH@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:24:07 EDT X-Message-Number: 4 My NSI 1,8l with reductin gear, fluids etc. weighs about 245 lbs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: what are you'all using to seal the wing gap. From: marmet Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:10:40 -0400 X-Message-Number: 5 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_wF4BufuMnBq9ZUN5Q6wwJw) Content-type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_Du4DGnfYCxC2c0tZgofqyQ)" --Boundary_(ID_Du4DGnfYCxC2c0tZgofqyQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My plane is white, so I use 3" wide white tape to seal the gap. J.C. C-GZFF Quebec Canada "R.W. Moore" wrote: > What are you using to seal the wing gap from the center wing and the otter > pannel wing?R. W. Moore --Boundary_(ID_Du4DGnfYCxC2c0tZgofqyQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My plane is white, so I use 3" wide white tape to seal the gap.
J.C.
C-GZFF
Quebec Canada

"R.W. Moore" wrote:

What are you using to seal the wing gap from the center wing and the otter pannel wing?R. W. Moore

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Go for this conversion, Don! ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/index.html _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Gearup landings. From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:29:04 EDT X-Message-Number: 7 Hi folks, Those of you who had the misfortune to make a belly landing, could you post the extent of damage done to the belly of of your plane. I was thinking of putting a layer of glass or kevlar on the front belly of by boat. Is it worth it? Any replies will be appriciated. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gearup landings. From: Krwr1@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:34:52 EDT X-Message-Number: 8 In a message dated 8/25/99 7:33:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, HAshraf@aol.com writes: << Those of you who had the misfortune to make a belly landing, could you post the extent of damage done to the belly of of your plane. I was thinking of putting a layer of glass or kevlar on the front belly of by boat. Is it worth it? >> Hi I made 2 belly landings on my KR1, I just forgot to put the gear down, and yes ,, it was the Rand gear set up, and it never folded by accident . The only damage was the prop , and the chin of the cowing, It never touched the belly , because it still rolled on the wheels , you have a front C G in that postion . I did cover the belly with cloth because of the rocks and other things that hit the belly on landing and take off. In the 1500 hrs I put on the KR , it paid off . 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Other than these 2 things, I hate the stuff and would much rather use expanded polystyrene foam. Having said that, I can visualize a day when my KR might be sitting in an Arizona desert in the sun and I will then be glad I used urethane. (But I guess the Rutan guys use styrene all the time and they live in the desert) Bob Smith Mike Mims wrote: > smithr wrote: > > > > I am now glassing my hstab and have found a trick that seems to work > > well to patch the inevitable small foam dents you get prior to > > glassing. > >> > > Isn't Urethane foam great?!? Build it to plans and learn to hate > urethane! > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > Filling and Sanding again! > http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ > http://members.home.com/mikemims/ > Aliso Viejo CA > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: smithr@wadsworth.org > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR Plan update service From: "BillStarrs" Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:00:09 -0700 X-Message-Number: 11 MY gear did not slip but cracked . When I called RR to request new ones , they said they did not make them anymore. they wanted to sell me their new fixed gear kit. I just bolted the original setup in place. This was a lot cheaper and less work. Bill Starrs , Prescott, AZ -----Original Message----- From: cartera To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, August 23, 1999 1:38 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: KR Plan update service >Ross Youngblood wrote: >> >> David, >> There was no "official" problem with the original retract >> gear. However, I think Rand recommends the fixed gear option >> now. There was a positive pin latch system offered by Rex >> Taylor's HAPI engines (now out of business). I have installed >> this in my aircraft, but it has not yet flown. I would recommend >> the fixed gear, as the retract gear and the ailearon crossover >> cable share the same space which requires work to prevent >> interferance[sp?]. >> >> -- Ross >> >> David & Jo Ann Lininger wrote: >> > >> > I second Bob's suggestion. My plans were purchased in the mid 70's, >> > and I finally got around to start working a few years ago, only to >> > get swamped at work and then change jobs and homes. I've been getting >> > the print newsletter for a couple of years now and just subscribed to >> > this forum last week. I'd like to know what needs changing BEFORE I >> > build it rather than after. >> > >> > Last summer a builder told me that the original retracts have a >> > tendency to retract on their own (like on the taxiway or in the >> > hanger!). True? What to do? I don't have time to chase down every KR >> > story to find out if it really is true, what caused the problem, and >> > then figure out a fix. I'd be glad to buy a booklet with the >> > necessary fixes in it. Maybe this could be published with all the >> > fixes up to publication date, and then annually thereafter. First one >> > would be expensive, but the updates probably wouldn't be more than a >> > few dollars each year. Pretty cheap insurance! >> > >> > David Lininger >> > Rev. 2:10c >> > djlinin@todays-tech.com >> > >> > --- >> > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com >> > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cartera@cuug.ab.ca >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > >David, >Take a look at my web page and you will see my retract. Just more crap >to be concerned about, if I were to do it again I would go will a fixed >gear. One thing less to worry about on downwind. I have seen a few gear >up landing on other a/c and it does not do any good to your prop. My KR >only had a 4mph difference. With aerodynamic wheel pants you can exceed >the 4mph. Good Luck! >-- >Adrian VE6AFY >Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca >http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: bstarrs@cybertrails.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: VIRUS From: "John Bryhan" Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:5:5 X-Message-Number: 12 Received a post from: "JC Marais" and my Norton's antivirus says it has a "prettyface worm" virus and was unable to clean it. Do not open that file! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: patching small foam dents From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 01:41:22 EDT X-Message-Number: 13 One more thing that I forgot to say, Styrofoam is much superior to the brown or green urethane foam for wings or tails and the pvc foams are superior for fuel situations and multi times stronger than urethane. Burt used urethane foam on the varieze but changed later on longeze to pvc foams because of the superior strength. Larry Howell Rockwall Tx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VIRUS From: dkramer@chatlink.com Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:33:30 -0700 X-Message-Number: 14 At 03:05 PM 8/25/99, you wrote: >Received a post from: > "JC Marais" >and my Norton's antivirus says it has a >"prettyface worm" virus and was unable to clean >it. > >Do not open that file! > > My Norton's also alerted me to the virus, I was able to delete it before it downloaded. Anyone know who this JC Marais is? He obviously knows how to get a virus out to alot of people with only one mailing. Be very carefull opening any attachments received with emails. Even from this group. Dave A someday builder of a KR2. Just lurking and learning at this point. dkramer@chatlink.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VIRUS From: WGLIDE78@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:42:46 EDT X-Message-Number: 15 To late I assumed it was OK off of Kr net------I noticed it was causing some problems ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fwd: Re: patching small foam dents From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:45:04 EDT X-Message-Number: 16 --part1_831aa7f7.24f755b0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_831aa7f7.24f755b0_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Laheze@aol.com From: Laheze@aol.com Full-name: Laheze Message-ID: <3c60280d.24f62ba4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 01:33:24 EDT Subject: Re: [kr-net] Re: patching small foam dents To: kr-net@telelists.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 The Rutan guys do not use polystyrene for any part of an airplane ! Some resins will melt polystyrene, usually 7 eleven stores sell ice coolers made from polystyrene. Rutan guys use styrofoam, there is a big difference ! Larry Howell A Rutan guy and a KR2 guy Have fun --part1_831aa7f7.24f755b0_boundary-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: patching small foam dents From: Greg S Martin Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:32:09 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 Larry Where did Burt get his pvc foams? Happy building and/or flying Greg Martin Bakersfield, CA On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 01:41:22 EDT Laheze@aol.com writes: > One more thing that I forgot to say, > > Styrofoam is much superior to the brown or green urethane foam for > wings or > tails > and the pvc foams are superior for fuel situations and multi times > stronger > than urethane. Burt used urethane foam on the varieze but changed > later on > longeze to > pvc foams because of the superior strength. > > Larry Howell > Rockwall Tx > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: idrawtobuild@juno.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: patching small foam dents From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:13:33 -0700 X-Message-Number: 18 Laheze@aol.com wrote: > > The Rutan guys do not use polystyrene for any part of an airplane ! Some > resins will melt polystyrene, usually 7 eleven stores sell ice coolers made > from polystyrene. > Rutan guys use styrofoam, there is a big difference ! STYROFOAM (R) and Extruded Polystyrene are the same thing bro and yes extruded polystyrene is used in making wing cores. Either that or the four or five EZs and Dragonflies I helped build are all built wrong! Are you thinking about Expanded Polystyrene which is the foam that looks like a bunch of little balls all pressed together and is used in coolers and cups and things? http://www.seradiation.com/html/msds.htm http://www.premier-industries.com/pack.cfm -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New gear latching mech. From: "Parley Byington" Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:49:58 -0700 X-Message-Number: 19 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BEEF4C.28032400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable J.C I am cleaning up the drawings and will try to get them done sometime = this weekend and send them to you. Regards Parley (N54PB) parley@anv.net -----Original Message----- From: marmet To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 6:04 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Don't use the RR retract locking system =20 =20 =20 Parley Byington wrote:=20 Tom=20 Most people that have the original retract system on their KR's = have=20 retrofitted the locking system. The original lock systems = don't. I speak=20 from experience. You don't want to spend six months and many $$ = to repair=20 your engine, cowling, antenna's and paint job because of a = poorly designed=20 lock system.=20 =20 Regards, and happy building.=20 Parley (N54PB)=20 parley@anv.net=20 =20 HI!=20 I've had the same thing happen to me and would very much like to = have the revised locking mechanism.=20 Those little AN3 bolts broke off and the plane landed on the belly = braking the prop an so on......=20 My E-mail address is. marmet2@videotron.ca Your help would be = greatly appreciated.=20 J.C.=20 C-GZFF=20 Quebec, Canada=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BEEF4C.28032400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

J.C

I am cleaning up the drawings and will try to get = them done=20 sometime this weekend and send them to you.

Regards

Parley (N54PB)

parley@anv.net

-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 marmet <marmet2@videotron.ca>
T= o:=20 KR-net users group <kr-net@telelists.com>
D= ate:=20 Wednesday, August 25, 1999 6:04 AM
Subject: [kr-net] = Re: Don't=20 use the RR retract locking system

=20

Parley Byington wrote:=20

Tom=20
Most people that have the original retract system on their = KR's have=20
retrofitted the locking system. The original lock = systems=20 don't. I speak
from experience. You don't want = to spend=20 six months and many $$ to repair
your engine, cowling, = antenna's and=20 paint job because of a poorly designed
lock system. =
=20
Regards, and happy building.
Parley (N54PB) =
parley@anv.net=20

HI!
I've had the same thing happen to = me and would=20 very much like to have=20 the revised locking mechanism.
Those little AN3 bolts broke off = and the=20 plane landed on the belly braking the prop an so on......
My = E-mail=20 address is. marmet2@videotron.ca Your = help=20 would be greatly appreciated.=20

J.C.
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------=_NextPart_000_0065_01BEEF4C.28032400-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Gearup landing damage From: "Parley Byington" Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:02:43 -0700 X-Message-Number: 20 Haris When the gear retracted on my landing, and it did due to the poorly designed latch system NOT BECAUSE I Forgot to put it down, there was surprisingly little damage to the airframe. The plane skidded on the air intake for the carb. and did some damage to the bottom engine cowling. The wheels supported the rest of the airplane as they continued to rotatate in the wheel wells and didn't even scratch the paint. The main damage was to the propeller and engine cowling. When the wheel legs came off due to the an-3 bolts, that was a different matter. The main damage was to the left stub wing. This was due to the left gear twisting up through the bottom of the wing. The gear nicked the rear spar which required removing the rear webbing to repair. The bottom of the plane ground through the fiberglass and the plywood but didn't hurt the bottom longerons. This required replacing the plywood from the firewall to just behind the pilots seat and of course new paint. I also lost the transponder ant. which was mounted on the bottom just back of the pilot. One of the wings aileron arm was slightly bent and I had a one inch square spot on the right wing tip where the paint was scrapped off. The right gear bounced up and broke the fiber glass on the top of the right stub wing and also broke the corresponding rib which had to be replaced. One of the gear legs also bent and cracked requiring replacement. That is about the extent of what I can remember concerning the damage, hope it gives some insight. Regards Parley (N54PB) parley@anv.net -----Original Message----- From: HAshraf@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 7:33 AM Subject: [kr-net] Gearup landings. >Hi folks, > >Those of you who had the misfortune to make a belly landing, could you post >the extent of damage done to the belly of of your plane. I was thinking of >putting a layer of glass or kevlar on the front belly of by boat. Is it worth >it? > >Any replies will be appriciated. > >Haris > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: parley@anv.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Suggestion for KRNet attacment policy From: "Rick Hubka" Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:50:03 -0600 X-Message-Number: 21 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BEF00C.F3A679C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In regards to the virus sent to KRNet as of late. I was suspicious of an unqualified attachment from an unknown KRNet = member and did not open it. I feel bad now that I did not send this = caution back to the group but thought to my self "Rick you're just a = paranoid programmer. Everyone will think you're nuts". I'm ok. I hope that most of you who got infected can recover our data = and system. Can we as a group adopt a policy: 1) Never send an attachment. 2) Rules are meant to be broken.....If you feel it is absolutely = necessary to send an attachment. Then send it first to one (1) well = known KRNet member who is prepared to accept attachments, scan them and = forward them to the group with a message header and message body stating = the attachment is safe (scanned & virus free) and of value to the group. 3) See rule number 1... 4) See rule number 1... I don't think this policy is a big deal because attachments only appear = about once a month. If we adopt a policy I would our net Mom or KRNet send it out as = reminder to new members on a weekly basis. How about on advertising = Friday which is our other undocumented policy. Take care and happy building... from the paranoid programmer. Rick Hubka Email: rick@hubka.com Web Site: www.hubka.com Calgary, Alberta, Canada ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BEF00C.F3A679C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In regards to the virus sent to KRNet as of = late.

I was suspicious of an unqualified attachment from = an unknown=20 KRNet member and did not open it. I feel bad now that I did not = send this=20 caution back to the group but thought to my self "Rick you're just a = paranoid=20 programmer. Everyone will think you're nuts".

I'm ok. I hope that most of you who got = infected can=20 recover our data and system.

Can we as a group adopt a policy:

1) Never send an = attachment.

2) Rules are meant to be broken.....If = you feel it=20 is absolutely necessary to send an attachment. Then send it first to one = (1)=20 well known KRNet member who is prepared to accept attachments, scan them = and=20 forward them to the group with a message header and message body stating = the=20 attachment is safe (scanned & virus free) and of value to the=20 group.

3) See rule number 1...

4) See rule number 1...

I don't think this policy is a big deal because = attachments=20 only appear about once a month.

If we adopt a policy I would our net Mom or KRNet = send it out=20 as reminder to new members on a weekly basis. How about on = advertising=20 Friday which is our other undocumented policy.

Take care and happy building... from the paranoid=20 programmer.

Rick Hubka
Email: rick@hubka.com
Web Site: www.hubka.com
Calgary, Alberta,=20 Canada

------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BEF00C.F3A679C0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gearup landing damage From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:54:42 EDT X-Message-Number: 22 In a message dated 99-08-26 23:34:01 EDT, you write: << That is about the extent of what I can remember concerning the damage, hope it gives some insight. >> That is very helpful. I was more concerned about pilot safety. I plan to use fixed gear and that should help too. Thanks Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gearup landing damage From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:05:46 -0700 X-Message-Number: 23 HAshraf@aol.com wrote: > > > That is very helpful. I was more concerned about pilot safety. I plan to use > fixed gear and that should help too. > Haris I think if you hit hard enough to break the fixed gear off a little kevlar or fiberglass on the belly isn't gonna do nothing for your protection! :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Filling and Sanding again! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: I'll be back From: WA7YXF@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:13:22 EDT X-Message-Number: 24 Well, Its been a very rewarding three months working full time on my KR. Now its back to Alaska for a while. I "ll be checking out of the Kr-net (no computer up there). Sure have enjoyed being a part of the KR group. I'll be back in December, returning to the net and scheduling and prioritizing my time and hopefully put the finishing touches on my KR-2. Fly 2000 or bust....... try to work on-em a little bit every day guys, yesterdays gone can't get it back. Lynn Hyder WA7YXF A-7 RDM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: patching small foam dents From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:19:59 EDT X-Message-Number: 25 Yes Mike, Expanded polystyrene is the type mentioned in someone elses email that I was refering to. PVC foam that someone else inquired about used to be available at Aircraft Spruce most of it originally came from Sweden or somewhere over there and was distributed by a company in Grapevine Texas that is now owned by the Divinycell Company . I believe that there is a division of Divinycell in Dallas Texas if not the main company. Larry Howell ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gearup landing damage From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:43:06 EDT X-Message-Number: 26 Thats right Mike, Remember what someone famous once said, " throw whatever up in the air and if it comes back down do not put it in or on your airplane if it is not necessary " Larry Howell ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: VIRUS From: R5t0ut1@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 03:11:37 EDT X-Message-Number: 27 In a message dated 8/26/99 4:03:48 PM PDT, dkramer@chatlink.com writes: << My Norton's also alerted me to the virus, I was able to delete it before it downloaded. Anyone know who this JC Marais is? He obviously knows how to get a virus out to alot of people with only one mailing. Be very carefull opening any attachments received with emails. Even from this group. Dave >> I wouldn't get too upset with JC. He is probably as much of a victim as anyone who opened the file. The virus spreads itself by sending e-mails to your contacts. Randy Stout KR-2S Las Vegas NV --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com