From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 12:26 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: September 13, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Monday, September 13, 1999. 1. Re: FW: Volkspares - Suppliers of New & Used VW Parts & Accessories - Aviation Engines 2. Re: Diehl Gear brackets help. 3. Re: Carb Heat Box for Ellison 4. Re: Prop extension 5. Re: Prop extension 6. Re: first flight 7. Re: flying characteristics 8. Re: Gear Brackets 9. Re: Rod end bearings for hinges. 10. Re: Gear Brackets 11. Re: Diehl Gear brackets help. 12. Re: A simple question 13. KR-2 STILL FOR SALE 14. Re: Diehl Gear brackets help. 15. Re: A simple question 16. Canopy pickup from Aircraft Windshields 17. Re: Diehl Gear brackets help. 18. Wihout mail 19. RE: Wihout mail 20. Re: Diehl Gear brackets help. 21. Mike Mimms 22. Magnetos 23. Re: Magnetos 24. Nose heavy? 25. Welding gear brackets 26. Complete C85 For Sale 27. Re: A simple question 28. Re: Gear Brackets 29. Re: Gear Brackets 30. RE: Nose heavy? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: FW: Volkspares - Suppliers of New & Used VW Parts & Accessories - Aviation Engines From: "Gideon" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:58:01 +0200 X-Message-Number: 1 Hi Carlton Saw your aircraft on KR net Where are you based VVD is being painted and electeonic ignition converted Gideon Beukes Queenstown -----Original Message----- From: Blandford, Carlton C To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 9:03 AM Subject: [kr-net] FW: Volkspares - Suppliers of New & Used VW Parts & Accessories - Aviation Engines > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: gideon@eci.co.za >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Diehl Gear brackets help. From: Donald Reid Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:56:48 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2 HAshraf@aol.com wrote: > Both Mike and I are seriously thinking of making our own brackets to mount > the Diehl legs to our planes. Could someone tell us the angle the legs make > with the spar and the angle the wheel mounting bracket makes with the > vertical line. I would guess the two angle do not add up to 90 degrees as the > legs would flex a little once the weight of the airplane is put on it. I used 40 degrees, measured from the spar, or 50 degrees measured from vertical. Track is approximately 6'-11". I made the brackets from 1/8" 4130. If you are thinking of welding your own, try it on a test one first. With an oxy-acetelyne torch, I had a very hard time running the bead into the inner corners of the bracket. I had to tack weld it together and then take it to a professional. The gear leg does not flex a great deal when sitting at rest, maybe 1 degree. Your's may be different. The axles are Cessna style. I mounted a sanding disk on my table saw and used that to "adjust" the toe-in and camber by removing small amounts of metal from the back of the mounting flange. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Carb Heat Box for Ellison From: tom Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:10:01 -0400 X-Message-Number: 3 Mike Mims wrote: > > Ross Youngblood wrote: > > > > Bob, > > > > The manual for the EFS-2 has the bolt pattern for the carb flange. > > They even have a recommended design, which of course takes up too > > much room for me. However, I recently re-did my cowling. > > Hey if you guys want Haris or I can take a few pics of the Elisons (and > air boxes) on the Dragonflies at our hanger. They both work > exceptionally well. > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > Building New Gear Legs > http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ > http://members.home.com/mikemims/ > Aliso Viejo CA > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Or come to the Gathering and see mine in person. T4 to EFS-3A. -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Mailto:toys@atlantic.net http://www.tomshardwoodtoys.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Prop extension From: tom Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:33:21 -0400 X-Message-Number: 4 RFG842@aol.com wrote: > > Anyone have any experience with a prop extension on a Type 4? > > How long can it be? > > Any vibration problems? > > Using a Force 1 hub. > > Seems like a good way to stretch the cowling a little to improve the lines. > > Tnks, Bob > > I have a 3" extension on my T4, works fine. -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Mailto:toys@atlantic.net http://www.tomshardwoodtoys.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Prop extension From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:41:41 -0400 X-Message-Number: 5 At 08:33 AM 09/13/1999 -0400, you wrote: >RFG842@aol.com wrote: >> >> Anyone have any experience with a prop extension on a Type 4? > >I have a 3" extension on my T4, works fine. > >-- >Tom Crawford >Gainesville, FL >N262TC >Mailto:toys@atlantic.net >http://www.tomshardwoodtoys.com Hi Tom, How many hours do you have on your Type-4 engine? Have you experienced any problems that had to be fixed, other then normal maintenance?? Thanks, WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: first flight From: "Richard Parker" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:44:26 PDT X-Message-Number: 6 That is really great to hear. I had the opportunity last year to listen to Johns unbelievable story from him directly and see his determination to build another KR. I'd love to see him get some positive press from the Sport Aviation or something. Rich Parker NH >From: "JEAN" >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Re: first flight >Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:41:21 -0500 > >John Shaffer flew his new KR-2 ( stretched and widened ) today. He trucked >it down from Ohio 4 weeks ago to finish it up in our hangar and do his >first >flight where his original KR first flew. Dan Diehl videoed this one just >like his first flight. Those old time KR people will remember John as the >one who set the record for spins in a KR and living ( after a lengthy >hospital stay ). John is a great guy and it was good to see him back in a >KR. >Jean >N4DD Broken Arrow, OK > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: flying characteristics From: Michael Clancy Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:25:07 -0400 X-Message-Number: 7 Gary : Yes I was the guy who chewed your ear off at the fly in. I am wrestling with assembling the KR2 I have in my basement. I was wondering if you would be able to eyeball the basic structure to look for any obvious flaws. I bought the kit from another guy who passed away. Thank you again for all your time. If you have any time available in the future to look at this, please let me know. If you are aware of any one who has a turtle deck, cowling, canopy, or a set or wings for sale, that would be helpful. Thank you. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gear Brackets From: "Stefan B." Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:37:06 +0100 X-Message-Number: 8 To all, Do you think it's possible to construct wood brackets and directly glue them to the central spar? Thus it would be possible to (epoxy-)glue the epoxy-based gear legs to the wood brackets. Just an idea, no experience at all. Stefan Balatchev, France ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rod end bearings for hinges. From: Willard561@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:48:14 EDT X-Message-Number: 9 Mike : I rememer a series of design notes on the VP's & Taylor Titch both of which could use eyebolts as hinges, the fix was a way to keep them from rotating& binding up. Bill Higdon Willard561@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gear Brackets From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:08:39 EDT X-Message-Number: 10 In a message dated 9/13/99 8:46:50 AM EST, Stefan.Balatchev@wanadoo.fr writes: << Do you think it's possible to construct wood brackets and directly glue them to the central spar? Thus it would be possible to (epoxy-)glue the epoxy-based gear legs to the wood brackets. Just an idea, no experience at all. Stefan Balatchev, France >> I am sure you can use wood but if you the calculations you will see that you will need really large gluing area. usually parts that are take high concentration of stress (landing gear etc.). are made of metal. Wood has its advantage when stress can be distributed over a large area because it has good volume/strength ratio. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Diehl Gear brackets help. From: "Don Hamm" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:08:57 -0700 X-Message-Number: 11 I need the exact dimentions of the Diehl Nose Gear. I would appreciate any help you could give. Thanks. Don Hamm, KR-net user. -----Original Message----- From: Martin Mulvey To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:16 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Diehl Gear brackets help. >Hi Haris, Mike and all, > >I made my gear attach fittings using the basic "Diehl" design but using >5/8"x8" 6061-T6 stock cut to the basic dimensions. The leg attach fitting >was welded to the wing mount plate at 90 degrees. >The fitting was lightened as appropriate. > >I did not lay up the gear leg like you guys did but continued with the 6061 >material for the leg. The axle and back plate though were made from 4130 >steel and all has fitted fine. The gear has a 6 foot width as installed. > >If you can bear with me a day or so, I'll get you my angles and send them >off. > >Have Fun!! Marty >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: KR-net users group >Sent: 12 September, 1999 23:26 >Subject: [kr-net] Diehl Gear brackets help. > > >> Hi Guys, >> >> Both Mike and I are seriously thinking of making our own brackets to mount >> the Diehl legs to our planes. Could someone tell us the angle the legs >make >> with the spar and the angle the wheel mounting bracket makes with the >> vertical line. I would guess the two angle do not add up to 90 degrees as >the >> legs would flex a little once the weight of the airplane is put on it. >> >> Any other suggestions (desigh info) will also be appriciated. We plan to >use >> 1/8" 4130 steel plate. >> >> Haris >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kr2smm@email.msn.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >> > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: hamm@lasercom.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: A simple question From: flyakr2 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:30:33 -0700 X-Message-Number: 12 Mike I'm not sure why my computer won't let me send this directly to your address (computer novice). It kept matching you up to an address on my local internet provider (tco.net). Do you live in northern California? Can't say for sure how narrow a door way my KR-2 would go through. I don't think the heighth of mine would be considered as standard. I have very short fixed landing gear, which I think may be the deciding factor on whether or not it will fit through my door. Dave Michael Taglieri wrote: > I only wish my situation was as promising as yours. My door way straight > across is 4' 9 1/2", > >and I already have it figured out how to get it through the door. If I > go > >corner to corner it is 95", which gives me 9" to spare. I'm going to > have an > >engineer friend of mine build a very small cart, probably doesn't need > to be > >more than a couple feet wide with small caster wheels on it. It will > have an > >upright support, which will be premeasured for the proper height to > cradle the > >prop hub on the end of the engine. I will simply put the cart in the > middle of > >the door way on the inside just over the threshhold, hire Arnold > Schwarzenegger > >to lift it up into the cradle, one guy on the light end (the tail), and > twist it > >and guide it through the hole. No reason it shouldn't work. Good > >luck to you. > > So how narrow a door would THIS go through? I always thought that moving > the plane vertically would be the best way for a narrow door, but how > tall is a KR-2 assuming you take off the canopy and gear. Would the > tailfeathers be the tightest squeeze? > > Mike Taglieri > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: flyakr2@tco.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR-2 STILL FOR SALE From: flyakr2 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:37:45 -0700 X-Message-Number: 13 KR Enthusiasts: Please pass the word along. My KR-2 is still for sale. It was posted to the KR-net around the first week of September. Well constructed little plane. Canopy for a TALL pilot. I can be reached at: (530) 529-5183 My plane can be viewed at: http://www.rainbowaviation.com Thank you. Dave ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Diehl Gear brackets help. From: "Richard Parker" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:30:49 PDT X-Message-Number: 14 Dr Dean went through this and the 4130 warped quite a bit during welding. he can tell you the details. Rich Parker >From: HAshraf@aol.com >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Diehl Gear brackets help. >Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:26:28 EDT > >Hi Guys, > >Both Mike and I are seriously thinking of making our own brackets to mount >the Diehl legs to our planes. Could someone tell us the angle the legs make >with the spar and the angle the wheel mounting bracket makes with the >vertical line. I would guess the two angle do not add up to 90 degrees as >the >legs would flex a little once the weight of the airplane is put on it. > >Any other suggestions (desigh info) will also be appriciated. We plan to >use >1/8" 4130 steel plate. > >Haris > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: A simple question From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:46:32 -0400 X-Message-Number: 15 I have a door 6'6x5' and it just fits with the gear legs on and 4" lawn mower wheels. No hor or vert stab. When I built the house I was thinking of building a boat. Was just a bit off on what kind. W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: flyakr2 > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: A simple question > Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 12:30 PM > > Mike > > I'm not sure why my computer won't let me send this directly to your address > (computer novice). It kept matching you up to an address on my local > internet provider (tco.net). Do you live in northern California? Can't say > for sure how narrow a door way my KR-2 would go through. I don't think the > heighth of mine would be considered as standard. I have very short fixed > landing gear, which I think may be the deciding factor on whether or not it > will fit through my door. > > Dave > > Michael Taglieri wrote: > > > I only wish my situation was as promising as yours. My door way straight > > across is 4' 9 1/2", > > >and I already have it figured out how to get it through the door. If I > > go > > >corner to corner it is 95", which gives me 9" to spare. I'm going to > > have an > > >engineer friend of mine build a very small cart, probably doesn't need > > to be > > >more than a couple feet wide with small caster wheels on it. It will > > have an > > >upright support, which will be premeasured for the proper height to > > cradle the > > >prop hub on the end of the engine. I will simply put the cart in the > > middle of > > >the door way on the inside just over the threshhold, hire Arnold > > Schwarzenegger > > >to lift it up into the cradle, one guy on the light end (the tail), and > > twist it > > >and guide it through the hole. No reason it shouldn't work. Good > > >luck to you. > > > > So how narrow a door would THIS go through? I always thought that moving > > the plane vertically would be the best way for a narrow door, but how > > tall is a KR-2 assuming you take off the canopy and gear. Would the > > tailfeathers be the tightest squeeze? > > > > Mike Taglieri > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: flyakr2@tco.net > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Canopy pickup from Aircraft Windshields From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:34:45 EDT X-Message-Number: 16 Hi, I just picked up my light gray Dragonfly canopy from Aircraft Windshields at Los Alamitos (20 min drive from my work). It looks really good althought it is HUGE. I had to squeeze it in a little bit to fit in my Golf hatchback. It has a coating in it (which outgassed in heat a bit an was putting me to sleep on th edrive back) so I cannot tell its optical quality. If it is equivalent to the Dragonfly we have in our hangars I am sure it would be just fine few months ago there was some posts about Aircraft Windshield being "fly by night operations". I should add that is is a bonafied business and they dealt with me very professionally. And thanks to the Doctor for making all this go real smoothly. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Diehl Gear brackets help. From: "Dean Collette" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:08:11 -0500 X-Message-Number: 17 > Dr Dean went through this and the 4130 warped quite a bit during welding. he > can tell you the details. Well, here is what little I know about the gear brackets. The DD brackets are near 60 degrees. That's a bit much in my opinion, but when I built mine - I used the same angle (no good explanation.) My brackets are made from 1/8" 4130 and the original design included all kinds of lightening holes. The problem isn't strength, or lack of it, rather it's the welding. I had mine cut with a laser and then professionally welded. See http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/gear.htm for a pictorial example of what I did. Anyway, you can't weld a continuous bead along the base - leg plate because the base plate will warp. The way this guy got it to work is to weld 1" on one side, and then 1" on the other, continuously the entire length. He also had to let thing cool down between welds. After it was all said and done, the entire bracket was normalized. If I had put in the lightening holes that I wanted, it would have never come out flat. The end result is an incredibly solid bracket that weighs less then the Diehl brackets (about 3.25 lbs each.) O.K., so I didn't shave off all that much weight, but the strength is truly impressive. When you weld the brackets, make sure your alignment is dead on, or you will have problems adjusting the toe. Since a few things have changed since I came up with my gear legs, I think I am going to redo part of them. I still like the aluminum legs, but since I am going to be spinning a smaller prop, I am going to cut them down a bit. Also, I plan to have a set of bottom brackets made up. 1/8" seems kind of thin, maybe 3/16" - I have to put some numbers to it to really figure it out. Dean Collette Milwaukee, Wisconsin mailto:drdean@execpc.com Web Page at http://www.execpc.com/~drdean/home.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Wihout mail From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:28:01 -0300 X-Message-Number: 18 Dear neters I have not received any mail of the net for three days. My problem? Eduardo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Wihout mail From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:38:35 -0300 X-Message-Number: 19 Guys That was really my problem. I have mail normalized now. Eduardo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Diehl Gear brackets help. From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:55:10 -0700 X-Message-Number: 20 Richard Parker wrote: > > Dr Dean went through this and the 4130 warped quite a bit during welding. he > can tell you the details. > We are having a pro weld them. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Mike Mimms From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:27:50 EDT X-Message-Number: 21 I see someone else had trouble reaching you. Have tried a couple of times and mail is returned. Wanted to thank you for your offer of photos of the Dragonfly heat boxes but Ross answered you so I didn't want to clog up the net. Tnks again, your help is always appreciated. Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Magnetos From: "Timothy Bellville" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:51:41 -0400 X-Message-Number: 22 I am looking for a used , Slick 4316 mag for my 1600cc VW, I currently have a electronic ignition system and just discovered that IM nose heavy. I have opted to remove my electrical system,and in doing so will bring my CG within limits. The mag could be either serviceable or rebuildable, and with or without a harness. I have a Type III case and I have a Force one prop hub installed with a 2 1/8" prop extension. As of yet, no problems. Tim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Magnetos From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:33:17 -0700 X-Message-Number: 23 Timothy Bellville wrote: > > I am looking for a used , Slick 4316 mag for my 1600cc VW, I currently have > a electronic ignition system and just discovered that IM nose heavy. > Nose heavy is not a bad thing. How nose heavy are you? What's the CG with you in the plane and a half main tank (assuming you have a header tank)? If its within the range then your good to go. I would even venture to say that if you are at the forward limit or slightly beyond with you and half tanks you are ok. I need some KR flyer out there to back me on this please. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Nose heavy? From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:02:11 -0500 X-Message-Number: 24 Tim, How much nose heavy? Many KR drivers have discovered that their KR seems to fly better while closer to the forward end of the CG envelope. You might be undoing a good thing. Ed Janssen -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Bellville To: KR-net users group Date: Monday, September 13, 1999 8:09 PM Subject: [kr-net] Magnetos >I am looking for a used , Slick 4316 mag for my 1600cc VW, I currently have >a electronic ignition system and just discovered that IM nose heavy. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Welding gear brackets From: John Roffey Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:37:18 -0500 X-Message-Number: 25 Just a little hint from a long time welder for you folks who are going to weld your own gear brackets. Find a source of aluminum who might have a chunk a foot square and at least 3/4" thick who will "lend" it to you. When ready to weld your parts together, clamp the flat plate piece to the aluminum with as many clamps as you can and still place the leg supports where you want them. Clamp another "chunk" of aluminum to the gear support and make up the joint in the alignment necessary for the weld. Have a "pro" welder do an intermittent back step 1" TIG weld on the exposed joint. The aluminum will "wick" the heat away from the 4130 plate and control any distortion. Continue the 1" step welding until the joint is complete. This is how we control distortion of assemblies for instrument mountings in power plants. Another hint for welding 4130, grind all the mill scale from the joint area to be welded on both pieces and use only 4130 welding wire and sand the protective copper coating off the wire. Oxy acetylene will work but "TIG" is the preferred method as it has a smaller heat "footprint" . John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Complete C85 For Sale From: BSHADR@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 00:55:38 EDT X-Message-Number: 26 EngineHeads: From the DFly list. Pleazzzze do not respond to me or KRNet. Contact the seller direct. Randy Stein Soviet Monica, CA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If anyone is interested I have a Continental 85 HP engine for sale. It is in very good condition but was disassembled for inspection. It has a brand new set of Slick mags with the blue harness. All accessories are included. Starter, Generator, Fuel Pump, Carb, heat box, New plugs, engine mount, and even an exhaust system with heat muff. I'd like about $4,000 U.S. for it. I also have a factory cowling for the engine which I'm willing to negogiate at a real bargain. --- Patrick Hildebrand dfly@n2flying.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: A simple question From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:21:10 EDT X-Message-Number: 27 Better leave the landing gear off if you expect it to fit through this door! Larry Howell ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gear Brackets From: "Stefan B." Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:14:38 +0100 X-Message-Number: 28 HAshraf@aol.com wrote: > > > I am sure you can use wood but if you the calculations you will see that you > will need really large gluing area. usually parts that are take high > concentration of stress (landing gear etc.). are made of metal. Wood has its > advantage when stress can be distributed over a large area because it has > good volume/strength ratio. > > Haris > Haris, Do you think that a composite brackets will do? These brackets could be epoxied AND bolted to the spar. I just don't like the complexity of the 4130 welded and normalized brackets. Also, the composite brackets could be made in the same time as the legs. Stefan. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gear Brackets From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:29:36 -0700 X-Message-Number: 29 "Stefan B." wrote: > > > Do you think that a composite brackets will do? These brackets could be epoxied > AND bolted to the spar. I just don't like the complexity of the 4130 welded and > normalized brackets. >>> I think you guys are making something big out of nothing here. I used to TIG weld bike frames and brackets all the time (yes 4130). I think maybe too much heat is being used if your warping the steel. But like I said I don't have access to a welder so I will pay to have it done. Shouldn't cost no more than $100 for all the welds. I will cut out the pieces on the band saw at work. Of course I will let you know how this goes. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Nose heavy? From: "Eddie KIng" Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 07:43:18 +0100 X-Message-Number: 30 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BEFE84.CF885870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here in the UK our PFA who issue and certify homebuilts on behalf of the CAA specify 12" aft of datum as the rear C of G limit, no bad thing. The VW motor in my KR was built 2" forward of plan, to keep weight forward. Point is that even with near empty fuel we're still well inside. For handling & safety I'd always go for forward weight, a KR or any other flying machine gets less stable the further back the weight sits. Anyone who's hit turbulance at say 300 feet on the approach with suddenly nothing on the ASI will tell you forward C of G helps a lot to get flying again. For the same reason I'd always accept some forward load on the stick at any phase of flight, personally this means I don't use a trim tab. 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