From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 12:16 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: September 28, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Tuesday, September 28, 1999. 1. Gathering too short 2. Gathering photos steamlined for easier viewing 3. Re: Gathering too short 4. RAM's is not cheap anymore 5. Re: Gathering photos steamlined for easier viewing 6. Re: Next year 7. Strobe 8. Re: Gathering photos steamlined for easier viewing 9. Re: Strobe 10. Re: Gathering too short 11. Re: Gathering photos steamlined for easier viewing 12. COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) 13. refueling fires 14. Re: Strobe 15. Re: COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) 16. Ross, carb heat box for Ellison 17. Re: Gathering 18. Re: Strobe 19. Re: RAM's is not cheap anymore 20. Re: Strobe 21. Re: Strobe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Gathering too short From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 04:53:33 -0700 X-Message-Number: 1 "Wayne DeLisle Sr." wrote: > > > Dana, Thank YOU for a great event. It was just too short. >> If I ever had a complaint about any gathering this is it! Especially for those who would have to travel from the west coast, this would be a short trip. So what is the possibility of adding Friday as a full day and not just an arrival day? Make Thursday the arrival day and have events on Friday as well as Saturday. I realize it may be hard for some to get time off but we now have a year to plan for this. What do you think? Can we add a day to make this a true 3 or 4 day affair? If my plane is done (should be) I am willing to show up on Wednesday or Thursday. Lets think about this. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Gathering photos steamlined for easier viewing From: "Mark Langford" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 07:15:40 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 Several folks have written to tell me that they don't have enough RAM to load the whole Barkley99 web page, so I chopped it up into 6 pages and renamed it http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/barkely99/page1.html . I like to do huge pages so that while you're looking at the pictures at the top the ones below it are loading (which IS good for slow modems), but that does eat up a lot of RAM. I've got 128M at home and 1 Gig at work (required to solid model big stuff like space shuttle experiments, and most recently, an aircraft loader) so I tend not to notice. Hope this works better. RAM's gotten pretty cheap lately... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gathering too short From: "Mark Langford" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 07:18:45 -0500 X-Message-Number: 3 Mike Mims wrote: > If I ever had a complaint about any gathering this is it! Especially > for those who would have to travel from the west coast, this would be a > short trip. So what is the possibility of adding Friday as a full day > and not just an arrival day? Make Thursday the arrival day and have > events on Friday as well as Saturday. I realize it may be hard for some > to get time off but we now have a year to plan for this. What do you > think? Can we add a day to make this a true 3 or 4 day affair? Mike, That's just about what we did this year. Thursday there were probably 30 people there, and 2 KR's. Friday was far busier than any other Gathering that I've been to. Thursday as the official arrival day sounds good to me too, and I'll be there on Wednesday, if that's what we decide to do. But you'll have your own personal time machine by then... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RAM's is not cheap anymore From: "George Majewski" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:14:23 -0400 X-Message-Number: 4 RAM's gotten pretty cheap lately... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama Mark, Three weeks ago I've been selling 64MB for $65, Right now the same 64MB is $195 and sources said that it may go up even more due to earthquake in Taiwan. George Majewski george@highlandsystems.com www.highlandsystems.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gathering photos steamlined for easier viewing From: "Richard Parker" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 06:33:48 PDT X-Message-Number: 5 Any chance of leaving your original link available for those of us who have the ram available. or at least linking to the other pages from the original. RP >From: "Mark Langford" >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Gathering photos steamlined for easier viewing >Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 07:15:40 -0500 > > >Several folks have written to tell me that they don't have enough RAM to >load the whole Barkley99 web page, so I chopped it up into 6 pages and >renamed it http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/barkely99/page1.html . I like >to do huge pages so that while you're looking at the pictures at the top >the >ones below it are loading (which IS good for slow modems), but that does >eat >up a lot of RAM. I've got 128M at home and 1 Gig at work (required to >solid >model big stuff like space shuttle experiments, and most recently, an >aircraft loader) so I tend not to notice. Hope this works better. RAM's >gotten pretty cheap lately... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Next year From: JEHayward@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:35:51 EDT X-Message-Number: 6 In a message dated 09/27/99 6:22:27 AM Mountain Daylight Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: << I can't give rides in the M-19, and a high-speed pass will be at the Vne of 95, but I should be able to put it down just about anywhere. It should be worth it just to see Mark Langford's and Mike Mims' airplanes there. >> Hey Oscar, I'm in the same boat with my Challenger! I might be doing the same thing! Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Strobe From: "Robert Frost" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 7:50:40 X-Message-Number: 7 Kitplanes ran an article on building your own strobe for $25 back in March 1990. The article was written by Jim Weir of Radio Systems Technology in Grass Valley, Ca. They used to make avionic kits, and I don't know if they are still around or not. If need be, I can get a friend to scan the article and schematics and send them as an attachment. There are two circuits needed, and they both are fairly simple. One is for the power inverter, and the other for the strobe and trigger. Robert Frost rsfrost@bellsouth.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gathering photos steamlined for easier viewing From: "Mark Langford" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:31:03 -0500 X-Message-Number: 8 I screwed that up. Make it http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/barkley99/page1.html Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strobe From: "Richard Parker" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 08:42:47 PDT X-Message-Number: 9 Please Do. >From: "Robert Frost" >If need be, I can get a friend to scan the article and schematics and send >them as an attachment. >There are two circuits needed, and they both are fairly simple. One is for >the power inverter, and the other for the strobe and trigger. > >Robert Frost >rsfrost@bellsouth.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gathering too short From: "Mark S. Jones" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 8:58:31 X-Message-Number: 10 Hi KR'ers Iwould like to cast my vote to extend the gathering by one day. Make Thursday the arrival day and have two full days for the forum. This year Saturday was packed with seminars and was not really enough time. Also, with the beauty of Lake Barkley, this would give us more time to enjoy the area. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI flykr2s@execpc.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gathering photos steamlined for easier viewing From: "George Majewski" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:55:11 -0400 X-Message-Number: 11 >I screwed that up. Make it >http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/barkley99/page1.html > > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama Mark, Don't take it to serious. Important is that all of us who could not attend gathering have them at all. The pictures are just gorgeous. I download them to my computer and watch them over and over. Thanks for all you done for us. George Brooklyn, New York george@highlandsystems.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) From: Steven Eberhart Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:37:33 -0500 (CDT) X-Message-Number: 12 FYI This just came across the Cozy list. Hmmm. Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com THE WING FLIES! - http://www.newtech.com/nlf for info on the new, flight tested, KRnet/UIUC airfoils. Good job KRnet, you can be proud of your contribution to Sport Aviation. Special thanks to Dr. Ashok Gopalarathnam and Dr. Michael Selig for some great Sport Aviation airfoils. One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:58:39 -0400 From: John Slade To: Cozy builders Subject: COZY: Time to stir the pot! Fellow builders: I've noticed a few things lately.... 1. Some of the more experienced [either in building, flying or both] among this list have a habit of "shutting down" discussions by "jumping on" the questioner. 2. The number of builders is growing, but the number of dumb or off the wall questions or discussions has reduced. Lately we have fewer questions and the same group of "experts" knocking them down. I think that many very knowledgeable people out there [JD, Jeff, Jack, Al, Dennis, George where are you guys?] are keeping quiet to avoid getting into politics or offending anyone. 3. Emphasis is on reading the archives rather than reintroducing an old discussion topic, even if the archived discussion is dated and "stale". 4. I suspect that most of the interesting traffic is going privately between builders. If in doubt - post it to the group. We can always delete the message when we see your name in the "from" line! This mailgroup is a powerful resource and a big plus for the Cozy as opposed to other plans or kits which do not have an active discussion group. It was definately one of the reasons I and others I know chose the Cozy. I feel strongly that the value of any maillist group is vastly reduced when people are too intimidated to ask questions or put in their 2c worth. I want to hear the expert opinions, but not at the expense of the novice questions. This is the UNOFFICIAL maillist for an EXPERIMENTAL group. As such it should be a free-for-all with NO POLITICS. I would like to encourage more "off the wall ideas", dumb suggestions and controvertial statements. That's how brainstorming works. Lets have more brainstorming by all. Come on guys - lets have some good arguments! NOVICES Don't be intimidated. If in doubt, ask. If the archived answers seem dated feel free to bring up an old topic so new ideas will flow again. EXPERTS Don't stop expressing your opinions. But give us "new" builders a break and dont jump on us every time we ask something stupid. LURKING EXPERTS Stand up and be counted! I'll be posting a few dumb questions and "unacceptable" discussion topics myself over the next few days, just to get a few balls [heads?]rolling. Regards to all, John Slade Cozy #757 http://kgarden.com/cozy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: refueling fires From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:34:44 -0400 X-Message-Number: 13 Picked this up on rec.avation.homebuilt and thought it might be of interest. Anyone have any insight on fueling plastic airplanes? WD > > > >From: > p.mcdaniel >Topic: > Static Electricity Fuel Fire >Message: > 1 of 20 >Sent: > Sat, 25 Sep 1999 06:23:42 -0600 > >On Tuesday I had my C-172 in for annual maintenance before going to the paint shop. I had a crack in the neck of the >left fuel tank so it was being drained into a nonconductive platic drum so the tank could be removed and sent to a >welding shop. > >While fuel was draining from the tank a fire started in the plastic drum which engulfed the airplane. Mechanics in an effort >to save the plane moved the plastic drum away from the airplane. This resulted in fuel running on the ground and >spreading the fire. To make a long story short the airplane appears to be totalled. > >How common is this? > >I found this document while trying to learn about this. They say grounding a metal drum and airplane is the way to go. > >http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/prevention/flammable_static.html > >I figure Canadian static electricity is about the same as American static electricity. Except American exchange rate is 50% >higher. :o) > --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strobe From: Willard561@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:08:35 EDT X-Message-Number: 14 This article is on http://www.rst-engr.com (RST's web site) Bill Higdon Willard561@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:10:49 EDT X-Message-Number: 15 Steve Now I know where all the newbies went. I'd trade a dozen experts for one newbie anytime. Thanks for sharing with us. Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Ross, carb heat box for Ellison From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:19:23 EDT X-Message-Number: 16 Ross Couldn't reach you direct. Can you confirm Email address. Talked at length to Ellison and my engine rebuilder and they both recommended the EFS-3A carb for the Type 4. Is this what you're useing??? Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gathering From: "Bob Vermeulen" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:08:43 -0400 X-Message-Number: 17 ---------- > From: * Flesner * > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Gathering > Date: Monday, September 27, 1999 2:42 PM > > > Fellow netters, > > Tripacer 2917P got me home without a hitch. I had a great time > and enjoyed seeing the many friends I've made at the Gatherings > over the years. ( I've made every one since 90 ). I'm looking > forward to next year already !!!! > > Video Bob and Marty, how far did that bag of Snickers get you?!! > > Happy building............. > > Larry Flesner > Oh, Oh, I think we were found out. Honestly, we'll get them back to you, maybe next year. Right now, even as I type, I'm looking at some of the footage that we shot. I'ts great to be able to relive the weekend. I truly think that this is the best KR Gathering I've seen. Absolutely awesome. I hope to have the 99 Gathering video done a bit sooner this year. Like during October. I've got the Ercoupe convention to finish up first but things are slowly getting under control. Shucks, I just might get to work on the KR again soon. Thanks again to all the pilots and builders who have helped make the KR Videos possible and to all of you who have purchased videos over the years. Just a reminder, get to the Gathering next year, it's too good to miss. Video Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strobe From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:07:09 -0700 X-Message-Number: 18 Robert Frost wrote: > > Kitplanes ran an article on building your own strobe for $25 back in March > 1990. The article was written by Jim Weir of Radio Systems Technology in > Grass Valley, Ca. >> I think I have a comment on these home brew strobes. Yes in fact I do! :o) Those of you considering building your own strobes here is something to think about. 90% of these units are not bright enough to be considered of any use what so ever in aviation. Home made strobe systems can rarely be seen more than a 100 yards away in daylight and what is the primary reason for strobes? To be seen! So if you install these on your plane your just carrying around extra weight that is of little or no value to you or your planes safety. I think to many people get caught up in the "cool factor" of strobes and forget what they are really trying to accomplish! I plan to use a beacon system like the good ole C-150 uses. Maybe a brake light bulb hooked up to a turn signal flasher from a 69 beetle inside a AVIATION lens on my vertical fin would do the trick? -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: RAM's is not cheap anymore From: Mike Mims Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:12:21 -0700 X-Message-Number: 19 George Majewski wrote: > > RAM's gotten pretty cheap lately... > > > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > Mark, > Three weeks ago I've been selling 64MB for $65, Right now the same 64MB is > $195 and sources said that it may go up even more due to earthquake in > Taiwan. Just sounds like another BS reason to raise the price of something. Too bad. Good thing I bought all 256 meg of ram I have a few months ago. HAHAHAHAHA! Thanks for the pics Mark they are GREAT. I have gazed at them at least 100 times now. My wife is beginning to think the link you sent was to a XXX site! I told her it was, an Xperimental web site! :o) Mike "New meaning to the term X rated" Mims ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strobe From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:35:44 -0400 X-Message-Number: 20 I used to work for the coast guard. They had lights that provide super visibility using fresnel lenses and 40 watt bulbs. One problem! The lense weighed about 3000 lbs. W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: Mike Mims > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Strobe > Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 8:07 PM > > Robert Frost wrote: > > > > Kitplanes ran an article on building your own strobe for $25 back in March > > 1990. The article was written by Jim Weir of Radio Systems Technology in > > Grass Valley, Ca. >> > > I think I have a comment on these home brew strobes. Yes in fact I do! > :o) Those of you considering building your own strobes here is > something to think about. 90% of these units are not bright enough to be > considered of any use what so ever in aviation. Home made strobe systems > can rarely be seen more than a 100 yards away in daylight and what is > the primary reason for strobes? To be seen! So if you install these on > your plane your just carrying around extra weight that is of little or > no value to you or your planes safety. I think to many people get caught > up in the "cool factor" of strobes and forget what they are really > trying to accomplish! I plan to use a beacon system like the good ole > C-150 uses. Maybe a brake light bulb hooked up to a turn signal flasher > from a 69 beetle inside a AVIATION lens on my vertical fin would do the > trick? > > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > Building New Gear Legs > http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ > http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ > http://members.home.com/mikemims/ > Aliso Viejo CA > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strobe From: Michael Taglieri Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:56:47 -0400 X-Message-Number: 21 >I think to many people get caught >up in the "cool factor" of strobes and forget what they are really >trying to accomplish! I plan to use a beacon system like the good ole >C-150 uses. Maybe a brake light bulb hooked up to a turn signal flasher >from a 69 beetle inside a AVIATION lens on my vertical fin would do the >trick? Is there something special about the flasher from a '69 beetle, or is it just that you've got one? Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com