From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 12:16 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: September 29, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Wednesday, September 29, 1999. 1. Where can I find them 2. Re: Strobe 3. New aviation list 4. Re: refueling fires 5. Re: refueling fires 6. Re: refueling fires 7. 2000 Gathering 8. TV Commercial 9. Re: refueling fires 10. finally building 11. 0-200 Weight 12. Re: Engine 13. Re: TV Commercial 14. Re: Engine 15. Dana's Smooth Prime presentation? 16. Re: TV Commercial 17. Re: TV Commercial 18. KR-2 Kit 19. Re: 0-200 Weight 20. Re: Strobe 21. Re: Where can I find them 22. Re: New aviation list 23. Re: refueling fires 24. Re: refueling fires 25. Re: TV Commercial 26. Re: TV Commercial 27. Commercial, and rude response 28. Re: 0-200 Weight 29. and rude response and SuperFil 30. Re: TV Commercial 31. Re: refueling fires 32. Re: Where can I find them 33. Hi Speed Taxi Testing Gotcha 34. Re: TV Commercial 35. Re: KR-2 Kit 36. Re: refueling fires 37. RE: High speed taxi test 38. Re: refueling fires 39. Re: COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) 40. Re: refueling fires 41. Re: COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) 42. Re: TV Commercial(no more please) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Where can I find them From: SClay10106@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:04:20 EDT X-Message-Number: 1 Are there any Kr-1 or 2's located at any of the local airports around the Los Angelas area? Id like to take a look at a few and get some ideas and pointers. I have been told there are a bunch out of Chino Is this true and if so when? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strobe From: "Cleo Greenhaw" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:02:09 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Taglieri To: KR-net users group Cc: kr-net@telelists.com Date: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 1:15 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Strobe >>I think to many people get caught >>up in the "cool factor" of strobes and forget what they are really >>trying to accomplish! I plan to use a beacon system like the good ole >>C-150 uses. Maybe a brake light bulb hooked up to a turn signal flasher >>from a 69 beetle inside a AVIATION lens on my vertical fin would do the >>trick? > >Is there something special about the flasher from a '69 beetle, or is it >just that you've got one? > >Mike Taglieri >Mike: This is Cleo: at cleo@fullnet.net I did sell the wood kit you asked about. I do have several items yet. Fiberglass cloth, foam kit, wing attachments. etc: I went to a local FBO and found a used, non certified strobe for $25.00 Works good on my Loehle 51' Also they are in Aircraft Spruce at a good price. Thanks Cleo >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cleo@fullnet.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New aviation list From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:40:23 -0400 X-Message-Number: 3 For all of the newbies out there in KR land, you might want to check out a new list. The list is dedicated to finding ways to get flying on the cheap and is called the under $5K list. Go to http://public.surfree.com/arkiesair/index.htm for info and sign up. Be prepared for 50 to 70 posts a day as the list is very active. The list was started as a joke last week and now has a web site and chat room and over 200 members, all in one week. There is also a news letter in the works. When I got back from the 1999 gathering Sunday night, I signed up and was issued the membership number of 118. There is lots and lots of interest and chatter, with a few ideas mixed in, so if you don't like the chatter, this list is probably not for you. There is at least one A/C engineer on the list and there is talk of actually designing a plane that can be built for under $5000. Enjoy, WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: refueling fires From: "Shannon Spurgeon" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 8:8:0 X-Message-Number: 4 On 09/28/99, ""Wayne DeLisle Sr." " wrote: > Picked this up on rec.avation.homebuilt and thought it > might be of interest. > > Anyone have any insight on fueling plastic airplanes? > > WD > > > > > > > > >From: > > p.mcdaniel > >Topic: > > Static Electricity Fuel Fire > >Message: > > 1 of 20 > >Sent: > > Sat, 25 Sep 1999 06:23:42 -0600 > > > >On Tuesday I had my C-172 in for annual maintenance before going to the paint shop. I had a crack in the neck of the > >left fuel tank so it was being drained into a nonconductive platic drum so the tank could be removed and sent to a > >welding shop. > > > >While fuel was draining from the tank a fire started in the plastic drum which engulfed the airplane. Mechanics in an effort > >to save the plane moved the plastic drum away from the airplane. This resulted in fuel running on the ground and > >spreading the fire. To make a long story short the airplane appears to be totalled. > > > >How common is this? > > > >I found this document while trying to learn about this. They say grounding a metal drum and airplane is the way to go. > > > >http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/prevention/flammable_static.html > > > >I figure Canadian static electricity is about the same as American static electricity. Except American exchange rate is 50% > >higher. :o) > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Wayne DeLisle Sr. > Charlotte, North Carolina USA > mailto:dodger@accessnode.net > http://accessnode.net/~dodger > --------------------------------------------------------- > Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" > online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking Since no one else has answered this, I'll stick my neck out. There was an article about this a few months ago in Kitplanes, I think. Bottom line is, plastic fuel containers, whether in the wing or on the ground, build up a horrendous static charge during transfer of fuel in or out. Even with ground straps, this charge is reduced only within an inch or so of the metal at the attach point. A ground completely submerged in the gas inside the tank will slowly bleed off charge, but not very effective because of the insulating properties of the gas. Their recommendation was to avoid plastic tanks if possible, or to imbed metal wire in the tank wall and connect it to the (metal) filler cap. Extreme caution should always be used when fueling, or de-, even with all-metal. Yeah, it's paranoid--a product of FAA approved training. Anyway, "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you". Good luck, Shannon Spurgeon (shanspur@webtv.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: refueling fires From: Kr2cooper@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:11:02 EDT X-Message-Number: 5 Proper grounding techniques are; aircraft to ground, truck (or pump) to ground, truck (or pump) to aircraft. The military is very serious about this, but I have seldom seen proper grounding in civilian refueling operations. Jack Cooper kr2cooper@aol.com Fayetteville, NC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: refueling fires From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:22:37 -0400 X-Message-Number: 6 At 08:08 AM 09/29/1999, you wrote: >Since no one else has answered this, I'll stick my neck out. There was an >article about this a few months ago in Kitplanes, I think. Bottom line is, >plastic fuel containers, whether in the wing or on the ground, build up a >horrendous static charge during transfer of fuel in or out. Even with >ground straps, this charge is reduced only within an inch or so of the >metal at the attach point. A ground completely submerged in the gas inside >the tank will slowly bleed off charge, but not very effective because of >the insulating properties of the gas. Their recommendation was to avoid >plastic tanks if possible, or to imbed metal wire in the tank wall and >connect it to the (metal) filler cap. Extreme caution should always be >used when fueling, or de-, even with all-metal. Yeah, it's paranoid--a >product of FAA approved training. Anyway, "Just because you're paranoid >doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you". >Good luck, >Shannon Spurgeon (shanspur@webtv.net) That's pretty much what I've been reading. My interest was that most KR's have fuel tanks made of glass and epoxy. I was wondering what precautions were being used by pilots with flying KR's. Knowing that one has to be careful is one thing, it's another thing to actually do something about it. For myself, I routinely fuel my riding mower with poly tank from a poly storage can. The only precaution is to be out in the middle of the driveway and not inside the garage. WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 2000 Gathering From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:52:36 EDT X-Message-Number: 7 The 2000 KR Gathering will be the weekend of Sept. 22 and 23rd. 2000. I don't have a calendar in from of me, that is just the dates that group reservations gave me. I will post the phone number and rates here shortly. Don't make any phones yet as the contract has not been signed. If you do call now, you will not get the gathering rates. That is if you can even get a room. I have booked a block of rooms, cabins and log cabins for the 2000 KR Gathering to again be held at Lake Barkley State Resort Park. I have been able to get a room in the convention center, at Lake Barkley, for our awards ceremony. I am sure you who attended saw it on the lower end of the parking lot. We won't have to step foot off of the park property at all. Course the park is one BAP (big as@#$ place). Lake Barkley will also provide a full time shuttle from the airport. I have already got the tent, chairs, picnic tables, tables scheduled for the weekend. Along with this, the local television crew will be on hand all day Saturday for a special they will be doing. As far as starting the gathering a day early, we pretty much have done that already. There were several people who got there Weds., and a lot of people arrived Thursday. For that matter, I believe the keg was tapped on Thursday:-) I would strongly recommend that you at least get there early Friday. I believe we started at something like 8:00AM Friday. If you didn't come, or you did and just didn't get a chance to see this park, add a day to one side of your trip. I don't think you will be disappointed. We will once again have dinner catered Friday evening along with lunch on Saturday. The people who served us this past weekend said we were the best group they had served in a long time. Thanks all. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: TV Commercial From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:57:42 EDT X-Message-Number: 8 I have been contacted by a company in New York that is doing a national commercial and they want to use KRs. They will be filming in the Atlanta area some time in October. There plan is to taxi a couple of KRs around on the city streets........sounds cool. The company name is OneSuch Films, contact person is Sabina @ 212 741-3200. If you are interested, or know someone who might be, please forward this message. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: refueling fires From: "Ron Freiberger" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:12:17 -0500 X-Message-Number: 9 Refueling grounds are totally incomplete when using plastic tanks. Maybe we ought to run a ground point and wire all tanks by using a submerged (? finger strainer) metal object in the tanks. You'd also need to designate a ground point on the aircraft. Ron Freiberger Almost building a KR2+/- in Fort Myers -----Original Message----- Proper grounding techniques are; aircraft to ground, truck (or pump) to ground, truck (or pump) to aircraft. The military is very serious about this, but I have seldom seen proper grounding in civilian refueling operations. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: finally building From: Steven Eberhart Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:47:18 -0500 (CDT) X-Message-Number: 10 The nice UPS man just delivered a box of beautiful spruce and a bunch of epoxy from Wicks. I am not defending the choice but it is West System Epoxy. Yes, you can even get a fair amount of gratification by spreading a bunch of spruce sticks and several gallon cans of epoxy around your garage floor and making airplane noises while sitting in the middle of the assemblage of sticks :-) Does it get any better than this? The Gathering last weekend, six hours in a 152 this week and a Christmas package from Wicks all within a seven day period. I don't think so. After seeing Troy's plane fly I was starting to go through the project withdrawal phase - now that the airfoil project is done. What better way to spend the next few years than build an airplane? Steve Eberhart, KR-2S, with KRnet/UIUC airfoils, UNDER CONSTRUCTION mailto:newtech@newtech.com THE WING FLIES! - http://www.newtech.com/nlf for info on the new, flight tested, KRnet/UIUC airfoils. Good job KRnet, you can be proud of your contribution to Sport Aviation. Special thanks to Dr. Ashok Gopalarathnam and Dr. Michael Selig for some great Sport Aviation airfoils. One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 0-200 Weight From: E J Spencer Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:34:40 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11 Hi, Does anyone in KR land know the weight of a 0-200 with mags,carb.,exaust and baffels ? Thanks in advance Joe Spencer Hillsboro Tn. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine From: "JEAN" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:56:03 -0500 X-Message-Number: 12 Does any one know if Troy Petaway sold the engine he had at the gathering ? Or have a phone no. for him. A friend of mine ( without a computer ) is interested. Thanks Jean N4DD Broken Arrow, OK -----Original Message---- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: TV Commercial From: KRBLUCH@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:59:51 EDT X-Message-Number: 13 I was also contacted today. I was flying at the time she called. I called back but could not reach the contact. Do we land on a city street or do we have to dis-assemble. Wild! Dave Blucher Orlando KR-2S 197DB ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:13:53 -0500 X-Message-Number: 14 Jean wrote: > Does any one know if Troy Petaway sold the engine he had at the gathering > ? Yep, Tommy Waymack (I'm just about positive that's not how you spell it!) bought it. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Dana's Smooth Prime presentation? From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:17:47 -0500 X-Message-Number: 15 Did anybody get video of Dana's Smooth Prime presentation? I somehow managed to turn the camera OFF rather than ON for his part, and would love to borrow it. On the positive side, I've looked at all of the video and transferred it to VHS, and it's not bad at all. The only little problem is that William Wynne appears as a silhouette only, since I also managed to turn backlighting off, but video and audio are quite acceptable. Mark Jones is sending me some non-forum Barkley Park video that I'll also incorporate. Thanks, Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: TV Commercial From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:06:00 -0400 X-Message-Number: 16 I will be doing the commercial, If we can agree on the price. I have spent al of my adult life in show busines. This project is right up my alley. They will call back tomorrow. I live 100 miles from Atlanta, Ga. Thanks for the information. R. W. Moore N115RM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: KR-net users group Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 5:59 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: TV Commercial > I was also contacted today. I was flying at the time she called. I called > back but could not reach the contact. Do we land on a city street or do we > have to dis-assemble. Wild! > Dave Blucher > Orlando > KR-2S 197DB > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: TV Commercial From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:09:10 -0400 X-Message-Number: 17 I will do the commerical, If we can agree on the price. I have spent most of my adult life in show business This is up my alley. Thanks for the info. R. W. Moore N115RM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: KR-net users group Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 1:57 PM Subject: [kr-net] TV Commercial > I have been contacted by a company in New York that is doing a national > commercial and they want to use KRs. They will be filming in the Atlanta > area some time in October. There plan is to taxi a couple of KRs around on > the city streets........sounds cool. The company name is OneSuch Films, > contact person is Sabina @ 212 741-3200. If you are interested, or know > someone who might be, please forward this message. > > Dana Overall > 2000 KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR-2 Kit From: "Chris Cottingham" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:16:30 X-Message-Number: 18 I just bought a KR-2 kit. its about 25 or 30% completed. I was wondering where I could get a parts listing and maybe some books on it. I have all the original plans, but I don't know how to read them( I know, I'll have to learn). Any suggestions? I have called Rand Robinson but I can't get a response from them. I'm also wanting to look into getting some prefab parts. Thanks!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: 0-200 Weight From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:31:29 -0700 X-Message-Number: 19 E J Spencer wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone in KR land know the weight of a 0-200 with mags,carb.,exaust and > baffels ? > 220 to 230 pounds firewall forward depending on options. A little less if your lucky. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strobe From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:09:00 -0700 X-Message-Number: 20 Michael Taglieri wrote: > > > Is there something special about the flasher from a '69 beetle, or is it > just that you've got one? > What kind of question is that? Just kidding :o) No nothing special about the 69 Beetle, its just that the voltage regulator, flasher and various other parts are so simple, cheap and easily adaptable to other projects. Humm,...some say the engine can even be used to power a small plane. Nahh!!!!!! :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Where can I find them From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:10:44 -0700 X-Message-Number: 21 SClay10106@aol.com wrote: > > Are there any Kr-1 or 2's located at any of the local airports around the > Los Angelas area? Id like to take a look at a few and get some ideas and > pointers. I have been told there are a bunch out of Chino Is this true and if > so when? No there are NO KRs at the Chino Airport!!! Actually there are probably 10 to 15 projects either under construction or flying. I am in the H hangers (H3 #7) and there are flying KRs on the other side of the field in the J hangers. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New aviation list From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:11:55 -0700 X-Message-Number: 22 "Wayne DeLisle Sr." wrote: > > > There is at least one A/C engineer on the list and there is talk of > actually designing a plane that can be built for under $5000. > That's been done, its called a KR1. I bet you $5000 I could do it. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: refueling fires From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:21:49 -0700 X-Message-Number: 23 > > Proper grounding techniques are; aircraft to ground, truck (or pump) to > ground, truck (or pump) to aircraft. The military is very serious about this, > but I have seldom seen proper grounding in civilian refueling > operations. > > My KR has glass tanks, with a metal finger strainer sticking into them and all metal fuel lines and fittings that are grounded at the fuel pumps. The fueling facility grounding lead connected to the exhaust stack also grounds all three tanks. If you don't believe the glass builds quite a static charge, just drag your arm across the surface of a glass wing sometime and feel the static charge. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: refueling fires From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:19:22 -0700 X-Message-Number: 24 "Wayne DeLisle Sr." wrote: > > That's pretty much what I've been reading. > > My interest was that most KR's have fuel tanks made of glass and epoxy. > I think this static thing in plastic tanks is something to keep in mind but its not like you see Glasairs, Lancairs, LongEZs, Dragonflies, Pulsars, etc. blowing up on the ramps everyday. We blew up a C-172XP at the Air Taxi once. It was the first re-fueling after a certified electrician rewired the new pump. The pilot opened the fuel filler to the airplane, touched the nozzle to the filler neck and BOOM!!! The pilot was not injured at all but the plane was a complete loss. The plane burned to the ground so fast that if anyone had been inside they would surely be dead. Come to find out Sparky wired the pump wrong. If the pilot had used a grounding strap he might have saved the insurance company $40,000. Oh well we got a new plane, new pump and a new electrician. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: TV Commercial From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:22:17 -0700 X-Message-Number: 25 "R.W. Moore" wrote: > > I will do the commerical, If we can agree on the price. I have spent most > of my adult life in show business This is up my alley. > Thanks for the info. > R. W. Moore Gee I would have never guessed that you Mr Moore would be the first to jump on this money making opportunity! :o) The way your post reads its if you are claiming that you and only you will do the commercial. Is that what your saying. The rest of us should ust buger off? Humm what if someone with a better looking KR is willing to do it for less? :o) -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: TV Commercial From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:42:33 -0700 X-Message-Number: 26 On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:22:17 -0700 Mike Mims writes: > "R.W. Moore" wrote: > > > > I will do the commerical, If we can agree on the price. I have > spent most > > of my adult life in show business This is up my alley. > > Thanks for the info. > > R. W. Moore > > > Gee I would have never guessed that you Mr Moore would be the first > to > jump on this money making opportunity! :o) The way your post reads > its > if you are claiming that you and only you will do the commercial. Is > that what your saying. The rest of us should ust buger off? Humm > what > if someone with a better looking KR is willing to do it for less? > :o) > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > Building New Gear Legs > http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ > http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ > http://members.home.com/mikemims/ > Aliso Viejo CA > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ In the Atlanta Area......This sounds like a job for Bob Muse, Sr. Who better to represent the KR world than our senior good will ambassador. :o) Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Commercial, and rude response From: "Ron Freiberger" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:26:28 -0500 X-Message-Number: 27 M Mims Wrote "Gee I would have never guessed that you Mr Moore would be the first to jump on this money making opportunity! :o) The way your post reads its if you are claiming that you and only you will do the commercial. Is that what your saying. The rest of us should ust buger off? Humm what if someone with a better looking KR is willing to do it for less? :o) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims" I can hardly believe such a rude response for an imagined insult. Ron Freiberger ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: 0-200 Weight From: Larry Shull Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:27:43 -0700 X-Message-Number: 28 Joe, Did you get the scan's ? Larry E J Spencer wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone in KR land know the weight of a 0-200 with mags,carb.,exaust and > baffels ? > > Thanks in advance Joe Spencer Hillsboro Tn. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: LarryShu@PacBell.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: and rude response and SuperFil From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:21:06 -0700 X-Message-Number: 29 Ron Freiberger wrote: > > > I can hardly believe such a rude response for an imagined insult. > Hey I resemble that remark! I dont know wheather to say thank you or bite me!?! On the other hand my hats off to Mr Moore and his capitalistic approach to life. There were smily faces in the post were there not? Just so this isn't a complete waste of time I would like to add that yesterday I ordered a gallon of Part A of the SuperFil from Poly Fiber. They had no problems breaking up the 3 gallon kit to sell me just one gallon of one part. This leads me to believe that maybe they would sell a 1.5 gallon kit for those of us on a "Builder Budget". Next time I call I will ask if they will do such a thing. Maybe others out there could send them an email and or call. If they get a few inquiries maybe this will happen? Do you think? -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: TV Commercial From: "R.W. Moore" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:31:20 -0400 X-Message-Number: 30 The only thing I said is I (agreed) will do the commercial, Not that I'm the only one, After all this is a free country, Have a go at it. I am only about 100 miles from Atlanta. They may use two KR's. If you have not worked in this type of work, they work very very long hours some time the hours are after midnight when the foot and auto traffic's at the lowest. I have been on sets when they were shooting at 2-3 AM. The company will call me back tomorrow, after speaking with the producer. I'm Sorry if I ruffled your feathers. To do the shoot one would have to be away from home 4 days plus travel time. I am near Atlanta I have a trailer made to transport the plane. I will do KR'S proud. Ask Ms. Rand she knows me. for more than 20 years. R. W. Moore N115RM ----- Original Message ----- From: To: KR-net users group Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 10:42 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: TV Commercial > > > On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:22:17 -0700 Mike Mims writes: > > "R.W. Moore" wrote: > > > > > > I will do the commerical, If we can agree on the price. I have > > spent most > > > of my adult life in show business This is up my alley. > > > Thanks for the info. > > > R. W. Moore > > > > > > Gee I would have never guessed that you Mr Moore would be the first > > to > > jump on this money making opportunity! :o) The way your post reads > > its > > if you are claiming that you and only you will do the commercial. Is > > that what your saying. The rest of us should ust buger off? Humm > > what > > if someone with a better looking KR is willing to do it for less? > > :o) > > > > -- > > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > > Micheal Mims > > Building New Gear Legs > > http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ > > http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ > > http://members.home.com/mikemims/ > > Aliso Viejo CA > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > In the Atlanta Area......This sounds like a job for Bob Muse, Sr. Who > better to represent the KR world than our senior good will ambassador. > :o) > > Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM > mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com > See N1213w construction and first flight at > http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rwmoore@alltel.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: refueling fires From: Michael Taglieri Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:16:55 -0400 X-Message-Number: 31 >> Proper grounding techniques are; aircraft to ground, truck (or pump) to >> ground, truck (or pump) to aircraft. The military is very serious >> about this, >> but I have seldom seen proper grounding in civilian refueling >> operations. >My KR has glass tanks, with a metal finger strainer sticking into them and all >metal fuel lines and fittings that are grounded at the fuel pumps. The >fueling facility grounding lead connected to the exhaust stack also grounds >all three tanks. I see how you get a truck-to-aircraft connection, but how is it possible to get the other two? The planes at the airport where I fly are fueled from an FBO truck that carefully attaches a ground line to the plane, but both the truck and the plane sit on rubber tires on asphalt, so I don't see how either one of them is grounded. Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Where can I find them From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:09:11 EDT X-Message-Number: 32 In a message dated 99-09-29 04:04:57 EDT, you write: << Are there any Kr-1 or 2's located at any of the local airports around the Los Angelas area? Id like to take a look at a few and get some ideas and pointers. I have been told there are a bunch out of Chino Is this true and if so when? >> If you want to look at a boat stage and some premolded parts come on over. My hangar is next to Mike Mims. I'll be there from mid day till late evening on saturdat and Sunday. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Hi Speed Taxi Testing Gotcha From: "Rick Junkin" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:9:47 X-Message-Number: 33 I just got a call from a friend of mine who has been taxi testing his LongEze. Seems he was doing some high speed work this weekend, which he had been doing for some time now, "flying" the canard and holding the nose wheel off the runway. The difference this weekend was 10-15 knots of head wind and his looking for the takeoff trim position (does anyone see this coming?). Long story short, very slight back pressure on the elevator left him about 25 feet above the runway with less than 2000' remaining. He made the right decision, applied power to keep it climbing, and then made two circuits in the pattern before he felt comfortable with landing his airplane. The whole time he was airborne he was thinking about all of the things he hadn't completed yet -- no fairings installed, no vortilons on the main wing, transponder not hooked up, etc. etc. Lesson to be learned: When you high speed taxi, assume you will get airborne. The airplane should be in the condition and configuration you expect it to be in for your first flight, because there is a chance that you will be making it inadvertently. Never leave to luck that which a good plan can make a non-event. Have you heard the one about the guy who taxi tested his KR without the outer wing panels installed? Think about that one for awhile. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO Sanding my elevator ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: TV Commercial From: "BillStarrs" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:16:59 -0700 X-Message-Number: 34 Mike you sound like your looking for a fight. Bill Starrs Prescott,AZ -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 6:54 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: TV Commercial >"R.W. Moore" wrote: >> >> I will do the commerical, If we can agree on the price. I have spent most >> of my adult life in show business This is up my alley. >> Thanks for the info. >> R. W. Moore > > >Gee I would have never guessed that you Mr Moore would be the first to >jump on this money making opportunity! :o) The way your post reads its >if you are claiming that you and only you will do the commercial. Is >that what your saying. The rest of us should ust buger off? Humm what >if someone with a better looking KR is willing to do it for less? :o) > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Building New Gear Legs >http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ >http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >Aliso Viejo CA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: bstarrs@cybertrails.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2 Kit From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:18:42 EDT X-Message-Number: 35 In a message dated 99-09-29 20:20:31 EDT, you write: << I just bought a KR-2 kit. its about 25 or 30% completed. I was wondering where I could get a parts listing and maybe some books on it. I have all the original plans, but I don't know how to read them( I know, I'll have to learn). Any suggestions? I have called Rand Robinson but I can't get a response from them. I'm also wanting to look into getting some prefab parts. Thanks!!!!! >> Rand Robinson price list is probably the best place to see all parts listed. Wicks aircraft lists the parts too in their catalog but does not have the premolded parts. It seems that what you need to is to find a KR builder and talk to him for advice. Rand Robinson, unfortunately will not be of much help. There is a lot of information on the net. A lot of builders, including yours truly, have web pages detailing the construction. The best site probably is: http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/kmarkl.html Stay on the net long enough and someone will be selling prefab parts. You will be able to save 25%-50% that way. People are also selling stuff all the time. Good luck Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: refueling fires From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:35:17 EDT X-Message-Number: 36 In a message dated 99-09-30 00:13:34 EDT, you write: << I see how you get a truck-to-aircraft connection, but how is it possible to get the other two? The planes at the airport where I fly are fueled from an FBO truck that carefully attaches a ground line to the plane, but both the truck and the plane sit on rubber tires on asphalt, so I don't see how either one of them is grounded. >> The important thing is that the aircraft body and the fueling truck be at same electrical potential. Thus there will be no electrical arcing between the filling nozzel and the tank. The grounding wire will accomplish that if it is connected to a metal part of the plane and the fuling truck. The relative potential of the truck/airplace combo with the earth will not matter. I would guess that the exhaust pipe should be a appropiate place to ground a composite plane. A charge that is strong enough to arc through air (which is an almost perfect insulator) will cetrainly be diffused through the airplane body. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: High speed taxi test From: "garbez" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:44:49 -0500 X-Message-Number: 37 Yes, I have heard about the guy that taxi tested without the outer wing panels and got air born. Also there's a guy here a couple of years ago that was testing his KR without the cowling on, he got air born and the plane was so tail heavy he could not control it and crashed, destroying the plane. Never take your airplane on the runway for testing unless your plane is ready to fly. Mike Garbez N998MG Griswold, IA msgtlg@netins.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: refueling fires From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:00:01 -0700 X-Message-Number: 38 Michael Taglieri wrote: > > I see how you get a truck-to-aircraft connection, but how is it possible > to get the other two? The planes at the airport where I fly are fueled > from an FBO truck that carefully attaches a ground line to the plane, but > both the truck and the plane sit on rubber tires on asphalt, so I don't > see how either one of them is grounded. > The important thing is that the source for the fuel is on an even electrical plain with where the fuel is going. Grounding to earth is not that important. Also most Aviation fuel nozzles have a grounding system built right in the hose. This is why you will see some fuel guys touch the hose to the plane before touching it in the area around the filler. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) From: "Peter Johnson" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:59:34 -0000 X-Message-Number: 39 John, I was motivated reading your post. It spurred me on to 'go ahead and be dumb' and ask this question: How do I post a new question to the group? The other ezines I am on have one recipient to whom all is sent and his name and email address is on every letter that comes by. Where is the central email repository for the KR Net ezine? OK. With that said, and 'stupid' now on the minds of all, let me ask another question. Has anyone ever thought of putting a 'pitot tube' in their airplane? You know, a 'tube where you go to pee'. I've heard of people bringing two bottles of orange juice along, drinking one, then being forced into a situation where in there are again two bottles of 'orange juice' in the plane! Surely anyone who can do that would appreciate a vacuum style 'evacuation system'. Here's another one: Has anyone ever considered using the Diehl style gear with a 'pivot' added to allow retraction? How would a simple cable and crank system work to get the short legs up the 45 or so degrees needed for retraction? In the pursuit of dumbness..... > From: Steven Eberhart > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) > Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 5:37 PM > > FYI > > This just came across the Cozy list. Hmmm. > > Steve Eberhart > mailto:newtech@newtech.com > > THE WING FLIES! - http://www.newtech.com/nlf for info on the new, flight > tested, KRnet/UIUC airfoils. Good job KRnet, you can be proud of your > contribution to Sport Aviation. Special thanks to Dr. Ashok Gopalarathnam > and Dr. Michael Selig for some great Sport Aviation airfoils. > > One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are > easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author > > All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly > food for thought requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:58:39 -0400 > From: John Slade > To: Cozy builders > Subject: COZY: Time to stir the pot! > > Fellow builders: > I've noticed a few things lately.... > > 1. Some of the more experienced [either in building, flying or both] among > this list have a habit of "shutting down" discussions by "jumping on" the > questioner. > > 2. The number of builders is growing, but the number of dumb or off the wall > questions or discussions has reduced. Lately we have fewer questions and > the same group of "experts" knocking them down. I think that many very > knowledgeable people out there [JD, Jeff, Jack, Al, Dennis, George where are > you guys?] are keeping quiet to avoid getting into politics or offending > anyone. > > 3. Emphasis is on reading the archives rather than reintroducing an old > discussion topic, even if the archived discussion is dated and "stale". > > 4. I suspect that most of the interesting traffic is going privately between > builders. If in doubt - post it to the group. We can always delete the > message when we see your name in the "from" line! > > This mailgroup is a powerful resource and a big plus for the Cozy as opposed > to other plans or kits which do not have an active discussion group. It was > definately one of the reasons I and others I know chose the Cozy. I feel > strongly that the value of any maillist group is vastly reduced when people > are too intimidated to ask questions or put in their 2c worth. I want to > hear the expert opinions, but not at the expense of the novice questions. > > This is the UNOFFICIAL maillist for an EXPERIMENTAL group. As such it should > be a free-for-all with NO POLITICS. > > I would like to encourage more "off the wall ideas", dumb suggestions and > controvertial statements. That's how brainstorming works. Lets have more > brainstorming by all. Come on guys - lets have some good arguments! > > NOVICES > Don't be intimidated. If in doubt, ask. If the archived answers seem dated > feel free to bring up an old topic so new ideas will flow again. > > EXPERTS > Don't stop expressing your opinions. But give us "new" builders a break and > dont jump on us every time we ask something stupid. > > LURKING EXPERTS > Stand up and be counted! > > I'll be posting a few dumb questions and "unacceptable" discussion topics > myself over the next few days, just to get a few balls [heads?]rolling. > > Regards to all, > > John Slade > Cozy #757 > http://kgarden.com/cozy > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: pjohnson@voyageur.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: refueling fires From: "Kobus de Wet" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:09:40 +0200 X-Message-Number: 40 Modern tyres have a very high carbon content. QED Kobus de Wet Cape Town South Africa GMT +2.00 mailto:jfdewet@intekom.co.za Ph +27-21-988-3671 Fax +27-21-987-1850 Cell 082-424-0194 http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw -----Original Message----- From: Michael Taglieri To: KR-net users group Cc: kr-net@telelists.com Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 06:13 Subject: [kr-net] Re: refueling fires >> Proper grounding techniques are; aircraft to ground, truck (or pump) to >> ground, truck (or pump) to aircraft. The military is very serious >> about this, >> but I have seldom seen proper grounding in civilian refueling >> operations. >My KR has glass tanks, with a metal finger strainer sticking into them and all >metal fuel lines and fittings that are grounded at the fuel pumps. The >fueling facility grounding lead connected to the exhaust stack also grounds >all three tanks. I see how you get a truck-to-aircraft connection, but how is it possible to get the other two? The planes at the airport where I fly are fueled from an FBO truck that carefully attaches a ground line to the plane, but both the truck and the plane sit on rubber tires on asphalt, so I don't see how either one of them is grounded. Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jfdewet@intekom.co.za To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) From: "Capps Family" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:20:53 -0500 X-Message-Number: 41 What you seek is a "Johnny Tube", which is sold at most Air Craft Part supply houses. Retracts (Retracting Gear), should be accomplished manually in one fluid motion. I would recommend against cranking. Blue Skies; Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Johnson To: KR-net users group Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 6:59 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) > John, I was motivated reading your post. It spurred me on to 'go ahead and > be dumb' and ask this question: How do I post a new question to the group? > The other ezines I am on have one recipient to whom all is sent and his > name and email address is on every letter that comes by. Where is the > central email repository for the KR Net ezine? > > OK. With that said, and 'stupid' now on the minds of all, let me ask > another question. Has anyone ever thought of putting a 'pitot tube' in > their airplane? You know, a 'tube where you go to pee'. I've heard of > people bringing two bottles of orange juice along, drinking one, then being > forced into a situation where in there are again two bottles of 'orange > juice' in the plane! Surely anyone who can do that would appreciate a > vacuum style 'evacuation system'. > > Here's another one: Has anyone ever considered using the Diehl style gear > with a 'pivot' added to allow retraction? How would a simple cable and > crank system work to get the short legs up the 45 or so degrees needed for > retraction? > > In the pursuit of dumbness..... > > > > From: Steven Eberhart > > To: KR-net users group > > Subject: [kr-net] COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) > > Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 5:37 PM > > > > FYI > > > > This just came across the Cozy list. Hmmm. > > > > Steve Eberhart > > mailto:newtech@newtech.com > > > > THE WING FLIES! - http://www.newtech.com/nlf for info on the new, flight > > tested, KRnet/UIUC airfoils. Good job KRnet, you can be proud of your > > contribution to Sport Aviation. Special thanks to Dr. Ashok > Gopalarathnam > > and Dr. Michael Selig for some great Sport Aviation airfoils. > > > > One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are > > easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author > > > > All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is > strictly > > food for thought requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:58:39 -0400 > > From: John Slade > > To: Cozy builders > > Subject: COZY: Time to stir the pot! > > > > Fellow builders: > > I've noticed a few things lately.... > > > > 1. Some of the more experienced [either in building, flying or both] > among > > this list have a habit of "shutting down" discussions by "jumping on" the > > questioner. > > > > 2. The number of builders is growing, but the number of dumb or off the > wall > > questions or discussions has reduced. Lately we have fewer questions and > > the same group of "experts" knocking them down. I think that many very > > knowledgeable people out there [JD, Jeff, Jack, Al, Dennis, George where > are > > you guys?] are keeping quiet to avoid getting into politics or offending > > anyone. > > > > 3. Emphasis is on reading the archives rather than reintroducing an old > > discussion topic, even if the archived discussion is dated and "stale". > > > > 4. I suspect that most of the interesting traffic is going privately > between > > builders. If in doubt - post it to the group. We can always delete the > > message when we see your name in the "from" line! > > > > This mailgroup is a powerful resource and a big plus for the Cozy as > opposed > > to other plans or kits which do not have an active discussion group. It > was > > definately one of the reasons I and others I know chose the Cozy. I feel > > strongly that the value of any maillist group is vastly reduced when > people > > are too intimidated to ask questions or put in their 2c worth. I want to > > hear the expert opinions, but not at the expense of the novice questions. > > > > This is the UNOFFICIAL maillist for an EXPERIMENTAL group. As such it > should > > be a free-for-all with NO POLITICS. > > > > I would like to encourage more "off the wall ideas", dumb suggestions and > > controvertial statements. That's how brainstorming works. Lets have > more > > brainstorming by all. Come on guys - lets have some good arguments! > > > > NOVICES > > Don't be intimidated. If in doubt, ask. If the archived answers seem > dated > > feel free to bring up an old topic so new ideas will flow again. > > > > EXPERTS > > Don't stop expressing your opinions. But give us "new" builders a break > and > > dont jump on us every time we ask something stupid. > > > > LURKING EXPERTS > > Stand up and be counted! > > > > I'll be posting a few dumb questions and "unacceptable" discussion topics > > myself over the next few days, just to get a few balls [heads?]rolling. > > > > Regards to all, > > > > John Slade > > Cozy #757 > > http://kgarden.com/cozy > > > > > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: pjohnson@voyageur.ca > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cappsfan@ameritech.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: TV Commercial(no more please) From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:31:03 -0700 X-Message-Number: 42 BillStarrs wrote: > > Mike you sound like your looking for a fight. Bill Starrs Prescott,AZ OK guys I think some of you need to realize when someone puts a :o) in a post it means he or she is pulling your chain, making a joke, having fun, etc. If I remember right I put at least two of them in that post. Also thinking back I remember Mr Moore selling this and that for KRs (which is a good thing) so it just seem to fit. I emailed Mr Moore off net to make sure he understood what the :o) meant. Seems that he and I are OK with the post (no hard feelings). -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com