From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 12:16 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: September 30, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Thursday, September 30, 1999. 1. Re: KR-2 Kit 2. Re: TV Commercial 3. Re: finally building 4. Re: $5000 airplane 5. Re: New aviation list 6. Re: refueling ground 7. SuperFil 8. Paul's KR 9. Re: SuperFil 10. Re: refueling fires 11. Re: TV Commercial 12. glass?? 13. Gathering 14. Re: glass?? 15. Re: refueling fires 16. Re: glass?? 17. Strengths of wood 18. Update 19. Re: Strengths of wood 20. Re: Strengths of wood 21. Re: Strengths of wood 22. Starting over (again!!) 23. Re: TV Commercial(no more please) 24. Re: Like to see KR 25. Re: TV Commercial 26. RE: glass?? 27. Re: glass?? 28. Type of Wood to use in construction of aircraft: 29. Re: COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) 30. Re: Strengths of wood 31. Re: $5000 airplane 32. Aircraft wood 33. wood 34. Pilot Relife Tube 35. Re: Strengths of wood 36. Re: $5000 airplane 37. Re: Pilot Relife Tube 38. Re: KR-2 Kit 39. Re: Strengths of wood 40. Re: Pilot Relife Tube 41. Re: Strengths of wood 42. Re: Paul's KR 43. Re: Paul's KR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2 Kit From: Donald Reid Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:40:21 -0400 X-Message-Number: 1 Chris Cottingham wrote: > > I just bought a KR-2 kit. its about 25 or 30% completed. I was wondering > where I could get a parts listing and maybe some books on it. I have all > the original plans, but I don't know how to read them( I know, I'll have to > learn). Let the net know where you are and that you want to look at some KR's. Someone near you will have one, either under construction or flying. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: TV Commercial From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:36:41 EDT X-Message-Number: 2 Guys, I'm not even sure they are paying anything for the commercial. In fact, they are looking for several KRs to be in the commercial..........not just one. They told me they would like to have three airplanes. The way I understand it, you will fly into a local airport, disassemble your wings and reassemble in town........I may be wrong so contact them personnally. Dana Overall 2000 Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: finally building From: "Richard Parker" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:19:53 PDT X-Message-Number: 3 Its about time you started building ! Now you'll have to fire up a web site as well. Rich Parker >From: Steven Eberhart >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] finally building >Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:47:18 -0500 (CDT) > >The nice UPS man just delivered a box of beautiful spruce and a bunch of >epoxy from Wicks. I am not defending the choice but it is West System >Epoxy. > >Yes, you can even get a fair amount of gratification by spreading a bunch >of spruce sticks and several gallon cans of epoxy around your garage floor >and making airplane noises while sitting in the middle of the assemblage >of sticks :-) > >Does it get any better than this? The Gathering last weekend, six hours >in a 152 this week and a Christmas package from Wicks all within a seven >day period. I don't think so. > >After seeing Troy's plane fly I was starting to go through the project >withdrawal phase - now that the airfoil project is done. What better way >to spend the next few years than build an airplane? > >Steve Eberhart, KR-2S, with KRnet/UIUC airfoils, UNDER CONSTRUCTION >mailto:newtech@newtech.com > >THE WING FLIES! - http://www.newtech.com/nlf for info on the new, flight >tested, KRnet/UIUC airfoils. Good job KRnet, you can be proud of your >contribution to Sport Aviation. Special thanks to Dr. Ashok Gopalarathnam >and Dr. Michael Selig for some great Sport Aviation airfoils. > >One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are >easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author > >All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly >food for thought requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: $5000 airplane From: "Richard Parker" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:44:35 PDT X-Message-Number: 4 Yikes! I heard a couple of guys at the gathering saying their planes cost $16K-17k to complete So far I've got my boat, spars, seats and tail section completed ~600, WAF's ~$45, Wheels + brakes $150, D-fly canopy (2nd most expensive item $465 + shipping) engine acquired and converted $1150, instrument panel $11.95, some instruments, (dg, mag compass, temp,vacuum gauges, tach + Mtn High Oxygen System - all free) enough 4130 to make the engine mount and the controls ~$100.00, and have enough fiberglass to finish ~100 and I have shelled out around than $3000. I figure at the top of the range I'll spend another $1000. I just need to buy some more foam and another couple of gallons of West Systems plus miscellanous parts most of which will be acquired for free or close to it. You just have to be in the right place at the right time. and always keep your eyes out for parts that you can use. No ARF parts for me. I got in this to build and airplane not to assemble one. Rich Parker (Short arms and deep pockets) > > There is at least one A/C engineer on the list and there is talk of > > actually designing a plane that can be built for under $5000. > > > >That's been done, its called a KR1. I bet you $5000 I could do it. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New aviation list From: "Wayne DeLisle Sr." Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:45:56 -0400 X-Message-Number: 5 At 06:11 PM 09/29/1999 -0700, you wrote: >"Wayne DeLisle Sr." wrote: >> >> >> There is at least one A/C engineer on the list and there is talk of >> actually designing a plane that can be built for under $5000. >> > >That's been done, its called a KR1. I bet you $5000 I could do it. Hi Mike, I agree. I was looking through the new Wicks catalog I got at the Gathering and I was surprised at the low cost kits available. There were several. The KR1 was one of the lowest cost kits at under $1800 . Use a no electric 1600cc VW and just the basic instruments, some homebuilt gear legs like you made, and I believe you could do it for around $3500 . A similar equipped KR2 with 1835cc VW could be built for less then $7000 . It made me stop and think about what I've been planning for my KR2SSSS. (-; Take care, WD --------------------------------------------------------- Wayne DeLisle Sr. Charlotte, North Carolina USA mailto:dodger@accessnode.net http://accessnode.net/~dodger --------------------------------------------------------- Project Viking "Daring to venture forward from the Dark Ages" online FAQ/manual at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: refueling ground From: cobrajad jad Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:50:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Message-Number: 6 --- Kobus de Wet wrote: > Modern tyres have a very high carbon content. QED > Kobus de Wet > Cape Town South Africa GMT +2.00 > mailto:jfdewet@intekom.co.za > Ph +27-21-988-3671 > Fax +27-21-987-1850 > Cell 082-424-0194 > http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Taglieri > To: KR-net users group > Cc: kr-net@telelists.com > Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 06:13 > Subject: [kr-net] Re: refueling fires > > > >> Proper grounding techniques are; aircraft to > ground, truck (or pump) > to > >> ground, truck (or pump) to aircraft. The military > is very serious > >> about this, > >> but I have seldom seen proper grounding in > civilian refueling > >> operations. > > >My KR has glass tanks, with a metal finger strainer > sticking into them > and all >metal fuel lines and fittings that are > grounded at the fuel > pumps. The >fueling facility grounding lead > connected to the exhaust > stack also grounds >all three tanks. > > I see how you get a truck-to-aircraft connection, > but how is it possible > to get the other two? The planes at the airport > where I fly are fueled > from an FBO truck that carefully attaches a ground > line to the plane, but > both the truck and the plane sit on rubber tires on > asphalt, so I don't > see how either one of them is grounded. > > Mike Taglieri > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access > for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: > jfdewet@intekom.co.za > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: > cobrajad@yahoo.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > Mike, There SHOULD be grounding stakes in the ground in the vicinity of each ramp tie down or refueling point. These stakes are where the aircraft and refueling vehicle actually make a ground connection. Note that i did say SHOULD be there. If they are not there, no ground is possible no matter how many ground wires move between the aircraft and the refueling vehicle. Jim Dixon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: SuperFil From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:30:16 PDT X-Message-Number: 7 Hello, Netters Regarding getting individual parts of a SuperFil kit, I called them directly one day a while back, and they said they only sell the quart kits and gallon kits, nothing in between. Now if Aircraft Spruce or Wicks will sell you individual cans of "A" or "B", that's another story because surely they buy tons of the stuff and can do what they want. I was pretty much resigned to eating the whole enchilada. But it's good stuff. Regarding the under-$5K airplane, Marvin Barnard build the prototype M-19 "Flying Squirrel" for under $3K with lots of "barefoot engineering"- and he flies it almost every day. The engine has to be the biggest expense of the whole project. And for those of you nipping at Mike's tail- you better "check six" now and then if you do... cuz it might be that he won't be there when you need him, and you might be cutting off a valuable resource. Post to him directly, and keep it off the Net. Oscar Zuniga (ducking for cover again) Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/index.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Paul's KR From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:35:29 PDT X-Message-Number: 8 Hey again, Netters I got a post from Paul Martin earlier this week. He's getting closer to getting his 40 hrs. flown off (should be down to about 8 or 10 to go), and had this to say: >I flew with 90 pounds of wheel weights in the right seat yesterday. No >problem with 1/3 tank of fuel. It doesn't climb very fast at >900 pounds but I think a prop will change that. > Yes, there will be another KR at the Gathering in 2000! Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Dropzone/5610/index.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: SuperFil From: Willard561@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:15:36 EDT X-Message-Number: 9 In a message dated 9/30/99 7:31:35 AM Mountain Daylight Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: << Hello, Netters Regarding getting individual parts of a SuperFil kit, I called them directly one day a while back, and they said they only sell the quart kits and gallon kits, nothing in between. Now if Aircraft Spruce or Wicks will sell you individual cans of "A" or "B", that's another story because surely they buy tons of the stuff and can do what they want. I was pretty much resigned to eating the whole enchilada. But it's good stuff. >> MMMM a large superFil enchilada very tasty Bill Higdon Willard561@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: refueling fires From: Herb Gearheart Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:37:50 -0500 X-Message-Number: 10 Guys I believe that the Fuel hose is also conductive to ground. Herb HAshraf@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 99-09-30 00:13:34 EDT, you write: > > << > I see how you get a truck-to-aircraft connection, but how is it possible > to get the other two? The planes at the airport where I fly are fueled > from an FBO truck that carefully attaches a ground line to the plane, but > both the truck and the plane sit on rubber tires on asphalt, so I don't > see how either one of them is grounded. >> > > The important thing is that the aircraft body and the fueling truck be at > same electrical potential. Thus there will be no electrical arcing between > the filling nozzel and the tank. The grounding wire will accomplish that if > it is connected to a metal part of the plane and the fuling truck. The > relative potential of the truck/airplace combo with the earth will not matter. > > I would guess that the exhaust pipe should be a appropiate place to ground a > composite plane. A charge that is strong enough to arc through air (which is > an almost perfect insulator) will cetrainly be diffused through the airplane > body. > > Haris > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: herbgh@nctc.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: TV Commercial From: JEHayward@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:04:48 EDT X-Message-Number: 11 In a message dated 09/29/99 10:21:08 PM Mountain Daylight Time, bstarrs@cybertrails.com writes: << Mike you sound like your looking for a fight. Bill Starrs Prescott,AZ >> Hey Mike, maybe next time you should put the smiley faces all around your post kinda like you do with the zzzzzzzzz zz's!!! :-) Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: glass?? From: SClay10106@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:08:01 EDT X-Message-Number: 12 I did some fiber glass work on my kr-1 about a week ago and the problem is that the resin after a week still doesn't feel it has hardened completely. Am I forgetting something or is there a better resin I should be using. The stuff I have states no mixing hardener is already in it. I did some glass work on my camero about a year ago and had to mix the two and it hardened completely in a few hours. What do I do? Or did I just answer my own question? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Gathering From: Jim Faughn Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:07:51 -0500 X-Message-Number: 13 Well I just got back from the KR Gathering and did I have a great time. The flight down with Steve Bennett was great and it was fun arriving with everyone on the flight line. I got to give a few rides on Friday and more on Saturday but the bumps up above slowed it down until later in the day. I gave 8 rides but that was short of what I was hoping for. If you were there real early on Saturday morning you would have seen Bobby Muse and I playing for the camera. We did a formation takeoff and then some formation work flowed by a little dog-fighting. I think that Bobby actually shot off part of my tail wheel. (more later) We got some good close formation passes while there weren't any bumps. Order the Gathering Video now. Later in the afternoon, on Saturday, after three more rides, I was hopping, yes hopping, in my plane and the tail went ker plunk. Thanks to lots of great ideas and the major help of too many to name. Mark Langford came to the rescue with carbon fiber, flox and epoxy so we glued the tail wheel back on. (Maybe a little more to it than that.) He has a great picture of it on his web site. Bottom line is that I think it is stronger now than before. Thanks again to everyone for the help. I left the plane there on Sunday to let the glue dry some more and went off to help a friend sand the bottom of his cruising sailboat and do some glass lay-ups. On Monday I flew the plane over to another airport where I had previously arranged a hanger and left it there to return to sanding. (Did I say I HATE SANDING!) This morning. (Thursday) I flew back and the tail wheel did fine. I had a great time at the Gathering and was talking to some of the others on Saturday evening and thought that next year I would try to get there on Thursday. It seems that I don't get to talk to as many of the old friends I have made with such a short weekend. It seems that if you are flying all the time it takes away from the time to learn and fellowship on the ground. (I know, you guys are going to give me a bad time about the flying all the time part.) So, after reading some of the posts, it seems that others agree that getting there on Thursday and leaving on Sunday would be a great option. The only worry I have is there isn't a hanger in case of bad weather. I also wanted to complement Bobby Muse. Earning awards isn't what we build a KR for, but I know it is fun to get them. To give one up is really special! For those who don't know John Shaffer, Bobby is right. He has come further than any of us would dream to make this Gathering. GOOD JOB Bobby! -- Jim Faughn N8931JF St. Louis, MO mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net (314) 652-7659 or Cell (314) 346-4038 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: glass?? From: Horn2004@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:16:36 EDT X-Message-Number: 14 In a message dated 9/30/99 11:09:08 AM, SClay10106@aol.com writes: <> If you don't need a hardener in the stuff, you probably don't want this stuff on your airplane. Doesn't sound like epoxy to me. The "good" stuff is available from both Aircraft Spruce and Wicks. Many people have had excellent results with Aeropoxy among others. This is what I'm using. For structural wood to wood or metal, you should probably be using T88 epoxy. This stuff is great. As a quick test on this, after the layup, save a little in your mixing cup and let it cure. Then take a very sharp instrument like a scratch awl or something. Try and scratch the surface of the hardened resin. You should see a very fine white scratch with no chip out or flaking along the scratch. I'd say trash the layout with the Camero stuff and be safe by going with a proven product. Keep after it. Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: refueling fires From: Kr2cooper@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:18:21 EDT X-Message-Number: 15 Truck and airplane can usually be connected by a grounding strap to a tiedown. The metal tiedown points are usually sufficiently grounded but the military has them checked with an ohm meter annually. Jack Cooper kr2cooper@aol.com Fayetteville NC Retired Army Aviation Warrant Officer CW-4 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: glass?? From: "Richard Parker" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:25:19 PDT X-Message-Number: 16 If you bought it at an automotive store it might be one of the new UV curing type. if thats the case you may have to bring it outside into the sunlight for a while. If all else fails read the directions. RP >From: SClay10106@aol.com >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] glass?? >Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:08:01 EDT > >I did some fiber glass work on my kr-1 about a week ago and the problem is >that the resin after a week still doesn't feel it has hardened completely. >Am >I forgetting something or is there a better resin I should be using. The >stuff I have states no mixing hardener is already in it. > I did some glass work on my camero about a year ago and had to mix the >two and it hardened completely in a few hours. What do I do? Or did I just >answer my own question? > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Strengths of wood From: "Robert Frost" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:13:57 X-Message-Number: 17 Does anyone have any comparisons with the different types of wood strengths? I have noticed for several years that there are quite a number of people that are using Douglas fir in their construction, and I haven't found any specifics. I have noticed that spruce has more than doubled than when I first started dreaming about building. I also know that unless you think 'light' in every aspect from the beginning, the project will get heavy in a hurry. Having designed and build road racing cars for a Mazda factory team for a number of years tells me it is easier to get heavy than it is to lighten it later on. One more question.....after reading what I could about the new airfoil, is there a significant change? The graphs don't show much change unless you are flying faster than what many KR's fly at, from what I remember at a gathering 6 yrs ago. Anyone out there near me? Thanks, Robert Frost Spartanburg, SC rsfrost@bellsouth.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Update From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:25:59 EDT X-Message-Number: 18 Just got off the phone with Sabina @ OneSuch Films. Don't know what the deal is but they said they need some firm commitments. Anyway, call as soon as you can 212-741-3200. 1999 Gathering update...........we registered 272 people on Friday and Saturday. This does not count some spouses and those I saw on Saturday that were not registered. We paid for 158 people Saturday night, but then again several people came up to me afterwards and said the girl at the desk didn't take their tickets. As for a Thursday arrival, most of the rooms will be available a day early. Don't plan on anything Thursday......but it sure was fun just hanging out at the airport and shooting the breeze (no pun intended.......you had to be there). Plus the Thursday evening get together at the cottage was a riot (Friday morning wasn't very much fun:-) Dana Overall 2000 Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strengths of wood From: "Edwin Blocher" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:12:29 -0500 X-Message-Number: 19 Briefly, Douglas fir (vertical grain only should be used) Is 23% stronger and 26% heaver than Sitka spruce and is 5 to 6 times less costly. It can also be found locally at larger lumber dealers. So it boils down to weight vs cost. For anyone thinking about different woods I would suggest you get a copy of EAA Aircraft Building Techniques 'WOOD". It has a world of information about all aspects of building with wood. I'm going to sacrifice price for cost, and the strength of spruce in a KR has been proven. Ed Blocher -----Original Message----- From: Robert Frost To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 1:16 PM Subject: [kr-net] Strengths of wood >Does anyone have any comparisons with the different types of wood >strengths? >I have noticed for several years that there are quite a number of people >that are using Douglas fir in their construction, and I haven't found any >specifics. I have noticed that spruce has more than doubled than when I >first started dreaming about building. >I also know that unless you think 'light' in every aspect from the >beginning, the project will get heavy in a hurry. Having designed and build >road racing cars for a Mazda factory team for a number of years tells me it >is easier to get heavy than it is to lighten it later on. >One more question.....after reading what I could about the new airfoil, is >there a significant change? The graphs don't show much change unless you >are flying faster than what many KR's fly at, from what I remember at a >gathering 6 yrs ago. > >Anyone out there near me? > >Thanks, >Robert Frost >Spartanburg, SC >rsfrost@bellsouth.net > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ed_blocher@email.msn.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strengths of wood From: "Edwin Blocher" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:27:05 -0500 X-Message-Number: 20 OOOPS, I meant cost vs weight. Ed -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Blocher To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 2:11 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Strengths of wood >Briefly, Douglas fir (vertical grain only should be used) Is 23% stronger >and 26% heaver than Sitka spruce and is 5 to 6 times less costly. It can >also be found locally at larger lumber dealers. So it boils down to weight >vs cost. For anyone thinking about different woods I would suggest you get a >copy of EAA Aircraft Building Techniques 'WOOD". It has a world of >information about all aspects of building with wood. I'm going to sacrifice >price for cost, and the strength of spruce in a KR has been proven. >Ed Blocher >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert Frost >To: KR-net users group >Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 1:16 PM >Subject: [kr-net] Strengths of wood > > >>Does anyone have any comparisons with the different types of wood >>strengths? >>I have noticed for several years that there are quite a number of people >>that are using Douglas fir in their construction, and I haven't found any >>specifics. I have noticed that spruce has more than doubled than when I >>first started dreaming about building. >>I also know that unless you think 'light' in every aspect from the >>beginning, the project will get heavy in a hurry. Having designed and build >>road racing cars for a Mazda factory team for a number of years tells me it >>is easier to get heavy than it is to lighten it later on. >>One more question.....after reading what I could about the new airfoil, is >>there a significant change? The graphs don't show much change unless you >>are flying faster than what many KR's fly at, from what I remember at a >>gathering 6 yrs ago. >> >>Anyone out there near me? >> >>Thanks, >>Robert Frost >>Spartanburg, SC >>rsfrost@bellsouth.net >> >>--- >>You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ed_blocher@email.msn.com >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com >> > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ed_blocher@email.msn.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strengths of wood From: "Capps Family" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:39:58 -0500 X-Message-Number: 21 Why is Plywood not used more often as a substitute for hard woods? Also laminated plywood is much stronger and lighter then woods of equal dimension. Plywood does not suffer from expansion and contraction as do hard woods, and Plywood is equal in strength structurally across it's face in all directions. I find it completely out of control the prices of spruce and fir that are charged to home builders in the pursuit of there hobby. If you want it built liter (lighter : ), I would suggest you won't get there by hard woods. Composite is the theme, and we need to use the advantages of Carbon rods for stiffeners, and glassed face foam sheets to distribute the loads more effectively. My 2 cents; Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Edwin Blocher To: KR-net users group Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 2:12 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Strengths of wood > Briefly, Douglas fir (vertical grain only should be used) Is 23% stronger > and 26% heaver than Sitka spruce and is 5 to 6 times less costly. It can > also be found locally at larger lumber dealers. So it boils down to weight > vs cost. For anyone thinking about different woods I would suggest you get a > copy of EAA Aircraft Building Techniques 'WOOD". It has a world of > information about all aspects of building with wood. I'm going to sacrifice > price for cost, and the strength of spruce in a KR has been proven. > Ed Blocher > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Frost > To: KR-net users group > Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 1:16 PM > Subject: [kr-net] Strengths of wood > > > >Does anyone have any comparisons with the different types of wood > >strengths? > >I have noticed for several years that there are quite a number of people > >that are using Douglas fir in their construction, and I haven't found any > >specifics. I have noticed that spruce has more than doubled than when I > >first started dreaming about building. > >I also know that unless you think 'light' in every aspect from the > >beginning, the project will get heavy in a hurry. Having designed and build > >road racing cars for a Mazda factory team for a number of years tells me it > >is easier to get heavy than it is to lighten it later on. > >One more question.....after reading what I could about the new airfoil, is > >there a significant change? The graphs don't show much change unless you > >are flying faster than what many KR's fly at, from what I remember at a > >gathering 6 yrs ago. > > > >Anyone out there near me? > > > >Thanks, > >Robert Frost > >Spartanburg, SC > >rsfrost@bellsouth.net > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ed_blocher@email.msn.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cappsfan@ameritech.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Starting over (again!!) From: "Pat Driscoll" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:0:58 X-Message-Number: 22 I think this thing posted my last note before I really got started. You people can find my web page at the address below. If you have a lot of free time you can sit and watch for that picture to change.( I really hope to get started soon and I'm retired so I hope I'll have a lot of time to build and it won't take me ten ten years like the last one. Pat Driscoll patatst@aol.com http://members.aol.com/patatst/life1/index.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: TV Commercial(no more please) From: cartera Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:44:20 -0600 X-Message-Number: 23 Mike Mims wrote: > > BillStarrs wrote: > > > > Mike you sound like your looking for a fight. Bill Starrs Prescott,AZ > > OK guys I think some of you need to realize when someone puts a :o) in a > post it means he or she is pulling your chain, making a joke, having > fun, etc. If I remember right I put at least two of them in that post. > Also thinking back I remember Mr Moore selling this and that for KRs > (which is a good thing) so it just seem to fit. I emailed Mr Moore off > net to make sure he understood what the :o) meant. Seems that he and I > are OK with the post (no hard feelings). > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > Building New Gear Legs > http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ > http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ > http://members.home.com/mikemims/ > Aliso Viejo CA > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cartera@cuug.ab.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com Man, are you guys sensitive. Mike keep up the good work, you don't need a big daddy! ;-) -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Like to see KR From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:32:33 -0400 X-Message-Number: 24 Cary: Didn't get to ow due WX etc. but did get to Kentucky for the fly in. About 20 KRs and about 150 people. Great wx, aircraft and people. Just not enough time to take it all in. Still hope to get to ow this fall but wx is always a factor. Bill W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: caryh > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Like to see KR > Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 12:18 PM > > Try mine at Rockliffe Airport. It is in a rebuild mode so there is nothing > but primer and defects to be seen, but you can look at it. If you catch me > there, I'll even turn the motor over so you can hear it. > > - Cary - > > Reply to caryh@home.com > Web http://members.home.net/caryh > KR2 http://members.home.net/caryh/kr-2.htm > Ottawa Ontario Canada > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Cottle > To: KR-net users group > Date: Saturday, April 17, 1999 6:59 AM > Subject: [kr-net] Like to see KR > > > > I am thinking of buying a kr2 but haven't been in one yet. Does anyone > >know of a KR2 in Eastern Ontario or Western Quebec. I wouldn't mind > >seeing one up close. > > Thanks. Dan > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: caryh@home.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: TV Commercial From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:46:54 -0400 X-Message-Number: 25 Watch the wires if you try to take off! W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: KR2616TJ@aol.com > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] TV Commercial > Date: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 1:57 PM > > I have been contacted by a company in New York that is doing a national > commercial and they want to use KRs. They will be filming in the Atlanta > area some time in October. There plan is to taxi a couple of KRs around on > the city streets........sounds cool. The company name is OneSuch Films, > contact person is Sabina @ 212 741-3200. If you are interested, or know > someone who might be, please forward this message. > > Dana Overall > 2000 KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: glass?? From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:27:10 -0300 X-Message-Number: 26 A possibility that the epoxi completes in hardening it is to expose it in the sun during several hours, most of epoxies hardens with the action of the light (as the epoxi of the dentists). Another is to introduce the piece in a sack of black plastic and to leave it in the sun one afternoon (about 40°c). Or, successively both. Eduardo emiglesias@cpenet.com.ar ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: glass?? From: GARYKR2@cs.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:53:50 EDT X-Message-Number: 27 There is no such animal. No hardner, on harden. A co-worker did the same thing. " But the can said hardner included. " Three days later the resin was still wet, and dripping onto the floor. I did it correctly, then he was cheesed off at me 'cause he looked stupid. Fact is he's rock head anyway. Hate to say it, but sounds like it's time to start wiping. Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Type of Wood to use in construction of aircraft: From: "Cleo Greenhaw" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:15:19 -0500 X-Message-Number: 28 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Frost To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 1:16 PM Subject: [kr-net] Strengths of wood >Does anyone have any comparisons with the different types of wood >strengths? >I have noticed for several years that there are quite a number of people >that are using Douglas fir in their construction, and I haven't found any >specifics. I have noticed that spruce has more than doubled than when I >first started dreaming about building. >I also know that unless you think 'light' in every aspect from the >beginning, the project will get heavy in a hurry. Having designed and build >road racing cars for a Mazda factory team for a number of years tells me it >is easier to get heavy than it is to lighten it later on. >One more question.....after reading what I could about the new airfoil, is >there a significant change? The graphs don't show much change unless you >are flying faster than what many KR's fly at, from what I remember at a >gathering 6 yrs ago. > >Anyone out there near me? > >Thanks, >Robert Frost >Spartanburg, SC >rsfrost@bellsouth.net >Robert: A point to remember about white pine or spruce is that spruce is stronger, white pined is more flexibleble. Most suppliers of wood for aircraft ie, white pine has a quality conrol about how close the straight grain is to the edge. For my money I'll take the or white pine with the good grade. Ask the supplier ie, Aircraft Spuce or Wicks. Cleo at cleo@fullnet.net. Expirence: Loehle 51' and Parosole (Heath) and Kr-2. Good Luck >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cleo@fullnet.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:10:44 -0700 X-Message-Number: 29 On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:20:53 -0500 "Capps Family" writes: > What you seek is a "Johnny Tube", which is sold at most Air Craft Part > supply houses. > > Blue Skies; > Larry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Johnson > To: KR-net users group > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 6:59 PM > Subject: [kr-net] Re: COZY: Time to stir the pot! (fwd) > > > > > > OK. With that said, and 'stupid' now on the minds of all, let me ask > > another question. Has anyone ever thought of putting a 'pitot tube' in > > their airplane? You know, a 'tube where you go to pee'. I've heard of > > people bringing two bottles of orange juice along, drinking one, then being > > forced into a situation where in there are again two bottles of 'orange > > juice' in the plane! Surely anyone who can do that would appreciate a > > vacuum style 'evacuation system'. In the mililtary and other circles this is known as a pilot relief tube (PRT). Most factory and homebuilt applications I have seen have a small venturi mounted under the tail (or on a gear leg on a Long-eze) to provide the vacuum to make sure the system evacuates itself clean. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strengths of wood From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:27:14 -0700 X-Message-Number: 30 Capps Family wrote: > > Why is Plywood not used more often as a substitute for hard woods? > > Also laminated plywood is much stronger and lighter then woods of > equal dimension. I didn't know there was that much hard wood in a KR. Is spruce a hard wood? As far as weight I know for a fact that 65 to 70% of the weigh in a KR boat is plywood. The 4x8 3/32 sheets of plywood are very heavy and you need five of them to build a boat (including shearwebs). If you wanted to build a cheaper airplane you could use Clear Doug FIR and Hoop Pine plywood but I am here to tell you that the $800 or so that you will spend on wood is a VERY minor part of the overall cost. I think your gonna find to build a Day VFR legal KR2 with a reliable powerplant your gonna spend close to $8k or more and that's on the low end. When I set out to build my KR2S I wanted to spend less than $10k and I think I will make it. Heck if I don't get carried away with avionics I bet its less than $8k. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: $5000 airplane From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:34:01 -0700 X-Message-Number: 31 Richard Parker wrote: > > Yikes! > > So far I've got my boat, spars, seats and tail section completed ~600, WAF's > ~$45, Wheels + brakes $150, D-fly canopy (2nd most expensive item $465 + > shipping) engine acquired and converted $1150, instrument panel $11.95,>> Rich, don't forget to add a Radio (upwards of $1200) and a Transponder (another $1200). Those two items alone push most KRs over the $10,000 barrier. Me and you are lucky (if in fact our engines work out) that we found powerplants for less than $2k. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Aircraft wood From: "Pat Driscoll" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:19:15 X-Message-Number: 32 It's been a while since I have done any aircraft woodwork but if I remember right, any wood that has a grainline that runs from one inch down from the top edge to at least fifteen inches along the board before it runs off the top of the board and has at least fifteen grain lines per inch is fine for aircraft work as long as it is not too heavy,(no Walnut). Like I say, I don't remember exactly so if someone has a better discription let me,(us)know ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: wood From: "Pat Driscoll" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:27:12 X-Message-Number: 33 Iguess I sent that last post with no I.D. Pat Driscoll patatst@aol.com http://members.aol.com/patatst/life1/index.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Pilot Relife Tube From: GARYKR2@cs.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:21:07 EDT X-Message-Number: 34 If you want to know how well they work in a KR, try this: ( 1 ) Get your wife's turkey baster, and take the end off. ( 2 ) Get into a recliner with your feet propped up. ( 3 ) Place your "member" in the end of the turkey baster. ( 4 ) If you have managed to complete step 4, LET IT FLY ! ( 5 ) Place the clothes you were wearing in the wash, and take a shower. This is how well a relif tube will work in a small airplane. Remember, you'er wizzing up hill. The only hope is to be blessed with a very long "tube" that would reach out the air vent. Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ( can't reach the air vent, I have to land ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strengths of wood From: Michael Taglieri Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:57:48 -0400 X-Message-Number: 35 >Why is Plywood not used more often as a substitute for hard woods? I don't know whether this questioner is actually suggesting that spruce and fir are hardwoods, but of course they are both are softwoods. Concerning the strength/weight question, if fir is 23% stronger and 26% heaver than Sitka spruce, could you compensate simply by decreasing the area of the fir stock by 23%? That would mean 5/8" stock (0.625") should be reduced to 1/2" (0.48") and so on, and the resulting fir frame would be only 3% heavier, and the cost savings even more because you wouldn't be using so much of it. Or is the adjustment more complicated that just changing the area? Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: $5000 airplane From: Michael Taglieri Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:45:45 -0400 X-Message-Number: 36 >> So far I've got my boat, spars, seats and tail section completed ~600, WAF's >> ~$45, Wheels + brakes $150, D-fly canopy (2nd most expensive item $465 + >> shipping) engine acquired and converted $1150, instrument panel >$11.95,>> > >Rich, don't forget to add a Radio (upwards of $1200) and a Transponder >(another $1200). Those two items alone push most KRs over the $10,000 >barrier. If you're REALLY doing it on the cheap, use a handheld radio and don't put in an engine-powered electrical system. A plane certified without one does not need a transponder to fly in the Mode-C area of Class B airspace, although you would still need one to fly into the Class B itself, or into Class C or the area above it. Some of the Newsletters mention wind-powered electrical systems if you need one, but you could run a turn indicator on a motorcycle battery without any electrical system. Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Pilot Relife Tube From: Michael Taglieri Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:32:47 -0400 X-Message-Number: 37 > If you want to know how well they work in a KR, try this: > ( 1 ) Get your wife's turkey baster, and take the end off. > ( 2 ) Get into a recliner with your feet propped up. > ( 3 ) Place your "member" in the end of the turkey baster. > ( 4 ) If you have managed to complete step 4, LET IT FLY ! > ( 5 ) Place the clothes you were wearing in the wash, and take a >shower. > This is how well a relif tube will work in a small airplane. >Remember, >you'er wizzing up hill. I think these tube are set up to run the length of the plane and exit at the tail. Then, in use, there is a suction out the tube that helps everything to go where it's supposed to go. Some kind of shutoff is needed so it won't be sucking all the time, which would make a noise. Mike Taglieri ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR-2 Kit From: WilliamTCA@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:48:20 EDT X-Message-Number: 38 Dear Friends: Thanks to Dana and all the people who worked on the Gathering, we had a great time. KR people are the cure for too many Sun n Funs. I have the welding fixture set up to produce the first run of KR/Corvair motor mounts, and enough tubing to make 10 mounts. Anyone who wants one should E-mail me pronto, so they get in on this batch. As I said at the forum I want to work closely with the first group of builders, and I will go to great lengths to make sure they have safe and successful engine installations. Thanks again, William Wynne, the Corvair Authority. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strengths of wood From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:25:42 EDT X-Message-Number: 39 In a message dated 99-09-30 20:50:53 EDT, you write: << I didn't know there was that much hard wood in a KR. Is spruce a hard wood? As far as weight I know for a fact that 65 to 70% of the weigh in a KR boat is plywood. >> I am not an expert in wood but I read somewhere that hardwood comes from the trees that shed leaves in winter and softwood comes from the trees that do not. the name has nothing to do with the hardness of the wood. I think I read this in one of the books by late Alex Strojnik. If a wood is 25% heavier and 25% stronger than why not use it with 25% less cross section area. Most All the wood in the boat is either loaded in compression or tension and none in bending (except the rear). Spars are loaded in bending so their depth matter and will have to be redesigned if a different wood is used. Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Pilot Relife Tube From: "Capps Family" Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 00:26:16 -0500 X-Message-Number: 40 "O" my god, I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: To: KR-net users group Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 9:21 PM Subject: [kr-net] Pilot Relife Tube > If you want to know how well they work in a KR, try this: > ( 1 ) Get your wife's turkey baster, and take the end off. > ( 2 ) Get into a recliner with your feet propped up. > ( 3 ) Place your "member" in the end of the turkey baster. > ( 4 ) If you have managed to complete step 4, LET IT FLY ! > ( 5 ) Place the clothes you were wearing in the wash, and take a shower. > This is how well a relif tube will work in a small airplane. Remember, > you'er wizzing up hill. > The only hope is to be blessed with a very long "tube" that would reach > out the air vent. > Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. > garykr2@cs.com > ( can't reach the air vent, I have to land ) > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cappsfan@ameritech.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strengths of wood From: WilliamTCA@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:35:54 EDT X-Message-Number: 41 Dear friend: Spruce is a soft wood. I know a lot about wood, and I can assure you that spruce is the way to go in building your plane. The dimensionally wood is a very small fraction of the total cost of your project. To utilize the inmpoved strenght of Fir you would need to reduce the dimensions of the parts......not practical. I own a peittenpol made of fir and it was a mistake. Spruce is a much better wood to work with... it hold epoxy and is much less prone to splintering. Enjoy building, use Spruce. William ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Paul's KR From: "Wolf Packs, Inc." Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:38:18 -0700 X-Message-Number: 42 --=====================_8441898==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp4.mindspring.com id CAA15807 I guess I should explain what Oscar forwarded to the list. Yes, I have 3= 8=20 fun filled hours flown off the KR2's test time. Still having a=20 blast! After 2 or 3 more hours Saturday, my very patient wife gets to go= =20 for a ride. She's been waiting 3 years for this. I wrote to Oscar, who by the way is most likely to be my 2nd passenger: >>I flew with 90 pounds of wheel weights in the right seat yesterday. No= =20 >>problem with 1/3 tank of fuel. It doesn't climb very fast at 900 pound= s=20 >>but I think a prop will change that. I've saved several posts on propellers from the KRnet (thanks Wayne & Tom= =20 C., etc. for great info) but I haven't seen this covered yet. Anyone who has been here and done this please shed some light on how much= a=20 pitch change and rpm increase will affect climb rates? With my fresh HAPI 1835cc and a 52 X 46 prop (like Mike G's) I'm only=20 getting 2,700 rpm static. I've checked everything I can think of regardi= ng=20 engine horsepower thiefs (timing, intake flow, etc.) and it all comes up=20 perfect. After hearing that 1" =3D 50 rpm I'm thinking about trimming a=20 little pitch out of my prop, but I'd like to test a 52 X 44 (or 43, 42)=20 first to see how much difference it actually makes in my climb rate. If someone out there has a used VW prop, anything from 54 X 44 to 52 X 42= ,=20 that I could borrow/test, I'd sure like to try it out before I cut=20 mine. Maybe buy yours if it works out. I'd be happy to pay postage both= =20 ways (UPS insured?) and a reasonable rental rate (a case of what beer?) f= or=20 an hour of test time. If you're close to Oregon and not too heavy I migh= t=20 even be able to fly in and take you up for a ride, after Oscar's turn tha= t is. Prop offers please e-mail me privately, but any advice may be useful to t= he=20 KRnet. Many thanks, Paul Martin, Ashland, Oregon mailto:paul@wolfpacks.com www.wolfpacks.com/KR which hasn't been updated in 3 months. Linda von Hanneken-Martin Wolf Packs=AE - Gear for Working Dogs Phone/FAX: 541-482-7669 web: http://wolfpacks.com ~ email: mailto:traildog@wolfpacks.com=20 --=====================_8441898==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp4.mindspring.com id CAA15807 I guess I should explain what Oscar forwarded to the list.  Yes, I have 38 fun filled hours flown off the KR2's test time.  Still having a blast!  After 2 or 3 more hours Saturday, my very patient wife gets to go for a ride.  She's been waiting 3 years for this. 

I wrote to Oscar, who by the way is most likely to be my 2nd passenger:

I flew with 90 pounds of wheel weights in the right seat yesterday.  No problem with 1/3 tank of fuel.  It doesn't climb very fast at 900 pounds but I think a prop will change that.

I've saved several posts on propellers from the KRnet (thanks Wayne & Tom C., etc. for great info) but I haven't seen this covered yet.
 
Anyone who has been here and done this please shed some light on how much a pitch change and rpm increase will affect climb rates?

With my fresh HAPI 1835cc and a 52 X 46 prop (like Mike G's) I'm only getting 2,700 rpm static.  I've checked everything I can think of regarding engine horsepower thiefs (timing, intake flow, etc.) and it all comes up perfect.  After hearing that 1" =3D 50 rpm I'm thinkin= g about trimming a little pitch out of my prop, but I'd like to test a 52 X 44 (or 43, 42) first to see how much difference it actually makes in my climb rate. 

If someone out there has a used VW prop, anything from 54 X 44 to 52 X 42, that I could borrow/test, I'd sure like to try it out before I cut mine.  Maybe buy yours if it works out.  I'd be happy to pay postage both ways (UPS insured?) and a reasonable rental rate (a case of what beer?) for an hour of test time.  If you're close to Oregon and not too heavy I might even be able to fly in and take you up for a ride, after Oscar's turn that is.

Prop offers please e-mail me privately, but any advice may be useful to the KRnet.

Many thanks,
Paul Martin, Ashland, Oregon
mailto:paul<= a href=3D"mailto:paul@wolfpacks.com" eudora=3D"autourl">@wolfpacks.com
www.wolfpac= ks.com/KR which hasn't been updated in 3 months.
 
Linda von Hanneken-Martin
Wolf Packs=AE - Gear for Working Dogs
Phone/FAX: 541-482-7669
web: http://wolfpacks.com= ~ email: mai= lto:traildog@wolfpacks.com --=====================_8441898==_.ALT-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Paul's KR From: "Wolf Packs, Inc." Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 00:03:01 -0700 X-Message-Number: 43 --=====================_462065==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I just re-read my last message. To be clear...I don't want to cut up someone's prop, just use one "as is" to see how well it works. >If someone out there has a used VW prop, anything from 54 X 44 to 52 X 42, >that I could borrow/test, I'd sure like to try it out before I cut mine. Paul Martin, Ashland, Oregon mailto:paul@wolfpacks.com --=====================_462065==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I just re-read my last message.  To be clear...I don't want to cut up someone's prop, just use one "as is" to see how well it works.


If someone out there has a used VW prop, anything from 54 X 44 to 52 X 42, that I could borrow/test, I'd sure like to try it out before I cut mine.

Paul Martin, Ashland, Oregon
mailto:paul@wolfpacks.com
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