From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 12:15 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: October 02, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Saturday, October 02, 1999. 1. Re: Current newsletter issue. 2. (no subject) 3. Re: Current newsletter issue. 4. Re: Current newsletter issue. 5. Re: $5000 airplane 6. AOL Admin Note 7. Thanks... 8. Re: New aviation list 9. Re: AOL Admin Note 10. Re: New aviation list 11. Re: Paul's KR 12. Re: Pilot Relife Tube 13. Re: Pilot Relife Tube 14. LOGO 15. Thank You 16. Undirected e-mails 17. Re: Undirected e-mails 18. New Pics 19. Re: New aviation list 20. cooling problems with EA81 in KR2S 21. Re: Strengths of wood ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Current newsletter issue. From: MARVIN MCCOY Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 19:25:17 -0700 X-Message-Number: 1 Steve: There is listed a "near-completed kr-1" call Carle Curtis, 703 339-8346. Hope this helps Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing field -------------- Steve Glover wrote: > > I was told that there is a KR-1 project for sale in the recent issue. Can > anyone give me the contact info if there is one in there. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: (no subject) From: Robert Maniss Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 10:24:31 -0700 X-Message-Number: 2 Thanks guys. After a stressful week at work your "wisps of wizzing wisdom" were just what I needed Bob Maniss Abilene, TX ejrem@worldnet.att.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Current newsletter issue. From: "Steve Glover" Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 8:22:3 X-Message-Number: 3 Thanks for the info! Steve ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Current newsletter issue. From: "Ron Freiberger" Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:47:36 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4 Steve , thanks for the thanks, regardless of for whom it was intended. The net needs more of this kind of message. -----Original Message----- From: bounce-kr-net-100070@telelists.com [mailto:bounce-kr-net-100070@telelists.com]On Behalf Of Steve Glover Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 12:00 AM To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Re: Current newsletter issue. Thanks for the info! Steve --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ronald.freiberger@prodigy.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: $5000 airplane From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 12:37:36 -0400 X-Message-Number: 5 Rich: Appreciate where u are coming from. Bought my wood rough sawn for about $400 US. Foam from a supplier of building insulation about half price of Wicks. $35 for a give gallon pail of Micro. Glass and epoxy from a fiberglass supplier who specializes in sailboats. Engine $200. R-drive $ 650 (machined but not built). Rebuild of engine $1400 (I like reliability). Have half my instruments about $200. I'm aiming for $6500 but that won't include avionics. I figure if I get it built and flying then I can spend the bucks on the gi gaws. Bill W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: Richard Parker > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: $5000 airplane > Date: Friday, October 01, 1999 11:36 AM > > > true, I'm really talking about the basics. The rest I consider creature > comforts and since I fly out of an uncontrolled feild I technically dont > even need a radio. (But I'll have one) I've already got a Non-mode C xponder > but need to upgrade. (it wont be the first time ATC has told me the mode C > isnt working). I'm really getting used to the creature comforts of GPS, > Autopilot etc so I figure the final price tag will be higher. Actually is > there ever a final price tag? Theres just too many toys and they keep coming > up with new ones. > > >From: Mike Mims > >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" > >To: "KR-net users group" > >Subject: [kr-net] Re: $5000 airplane > >Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:34:01 -0700 > > > >Richard Parker wrote: > > > > > > Yikes! > > > > > > So far I've got my boat, spars, seats and tail section completed ~600, > >WAF's > > > ~$45, Wheels + brakes $150, D-fly canopy (2nd most expensive item $465 > >+ > > > shipping) engine acquired and converted $1150, instrument panel > >$11.95,>> > > > >Rich, don't forget to add a Radio (upwards of $1200) and a Transponder > >(another $1200). Those two items alone push most KRs over the $10,000 > >barrier. Me and you are lucky (if in fact our engines work out) that we > >found powerplants for less than $2k. > > > > > >-- > >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > >Micheal Mims > >Building New Gear Legs > >http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ > >http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ > >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ > >Aliso Viejo CA > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: AOL Admin Note From: EagleGator@aol.com Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:45:38 EDT X-Message-Number: 6 For the folks using AOL, go download version 5.0. This version now allows you to build automatic "email signatures" so that you don't have to type your name, address, and other info each time. This will help out with the email admin for the rest of the users. AOL, email that's entering the 1990's! Cheers, Rick Junkin St. Charles MO KR-2S N415RJ, "The Phantom Eagle", 40% complete http://members.aol.com/eaglegator ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Thanks... From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:50:08 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 > Steve , thanks for the thanks, regardless of for whom it was intended. The > net needs more of this kind of message. I beg to differ. What the net needs is for more of these "Thanks" to be sent directly to the guy you're thanking, rather than to the 460 people on this list.... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New aviation list From: Krwr1@aol.com Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:57:31 EDT X-Message-Number: 8 In a message dated 10/01/1999 11:14:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bmuse@mindspring.com writes: << My Dad built his KR2 for $3200(first flew in 1983). He doesn't like to tell people that because he feels that they don't believe him but it is true.. But unlike most he built everything himself including the engine, airframe, wings, paint, interior and yes, the radio from a RST kit. He believes that if you build a homebuilt that you build a 100% homebuilt not a part homebuilt. >> I built mine for $3200 , in 76 . Bill Yo. Oh. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: AOL Admin Note From: Bobby Muse Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 16:40:07 -0500 X-Message-Number: 9 At 01:45 PM 10/02/1999 EDT, you wrote: >For the folks using AOL, go download version 5.0. This version now allows you >to build automatic "email signatures" so that you don't have to type your >name, address, and other info each time. This will help out with the email >admin for the rest of the users. > >AOL, email that's entering the 1990's! > >Cheers, >Rick Junkin >St. Charles MO >KR-2S N415RJ, "The Phantom Eagle", 40% complete >http://members.aol.com/eaglegator > > Rick, Add a 'mailto:' address to your signature so that we can easily send a direct message to you only. Take a look at my signature, as am example.. Bobby Muse N122B - Wimberley, TX mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New aviation list From: Bobby Muse Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 16:42:06 -0500 X-Message-Number: 10 At 04:57 PM 10/02/1999 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/01/1999 11:14:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >bmuse@mindspring.com writes: > ><< > My Dad built his KR2 for $3200(first flew in 1983). He doesn't like to > tell people that because he feels that they don't believe him but it is > true.. But unlike most he built everything himself including the engine, > airframe, wings, paint, interior and yes, the radio from a RST kit. He > believes that if you build a homebuilt that you build a 100% homebuilt not > a part homebuilt. >> > > > I built mine for $3200 , in 76 . > Bill > Yo. Oh. > >- Maybe someone could figure how much money that would be in todays' dollars?? Bobby Muse N122B - Wimberley, TX mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Paul's KR From: GARYKR2@cs.com Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:31:53 EDT X-Message-Number: 11 Both myself and Jerry Wells have been playing the prop game for a while now. I have mine worked out, Jerry is still working on his. I started with a 52/52 from Warnke, next was 52/48 and a 52/44 from Props Inc, then 51/48 Hegy, now a 52/46 Warnke and this is working ok ( on a 2180cc ). Jerry is on the third prop now, and getting closer(his is 1834cc). Everyone who makes props measures a little differant, so stay with the same make long as you can. You'll get it tuned in faster. Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Pilot Relife Tube From: GARYKR2@cs.com Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 19:59:17 EDT X-Message-Number: 12 Mike, you didn't get it. The KR was never intended for nonstop flights to England or Japan. And yes I know Ken Rand would fly a 1,000 miles plus without stopping, but that's not the norm. When I was a corp. pilot, it was rare for anyone to have to use the potty. When usage did occure, it was on the 4 or 5 hr trips, after lots of coffee. Gee "wizz", land and take a break. Let others enjoy your plane,strech your legs, and save the extra weight and yellow streeks along the bottom. And remember, if you shake more than 5 times your--------, I'll let you finish that. Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ( 4 and 1/2 shakes and holding ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Pilot Relife Tube From: Mark Jones Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 19:14:57 -0500 X-Message-Number: 13 GARYKR2@cs.com wrote: > Mike, you didn't get it. The KR was never intended for nonstop flights > to England or Japan. And yes I know Ken Rand would fly a 1,000 miles plus > without stopping, but that's not the norm. > When I was a corp. pilot, it was rare for anyone to have to use the > potty. When usage did occure, it was on the 4 or 5 hr trips, after lots of > coffee. > Gee "wizz", land and take a break. Let others enjoy your plane,strech > your legs, and save the extra weight and yellow streeks along the bottom. > And remember, if you shake more than 5 times your--------, I'll let > you finish that. > Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. > garykr2@cs.com > ( 4 and 1/2 shakes and holding ) > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: flykr2s@execpc.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com I agree with Gary!!! Also, IT's TIME TO PUT THIS TO REST!!!! Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: LOGO From: Mark Jones Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 19:21:31 -0500 X-Message-Number: 14 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CC55F3928786CA3C7DC2ED20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you who did not make the Gathering, I thought you might like to see the official logo. 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I want to thank Trailing Edge Tech for sponsoring the award. I also want to thank those of you who thought that my posting of the Sport Aviation's KR related articles was worthwhile. The plaque reads: 1999 Annual KR Fly-in Lake Barkly State Park Best Overall Post "Sport Aviation KR History" Thanks once again. I am pleased that the members of the net enjoyed the information. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Undirected e-mails From: flyakr2 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 18:33:24 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 Can somebody please tell me why I'm getting bombarded with so many undirected e-mails off the KR-net? It appears most of them are intended for a specific person, but I'm getting e-mails from every Tom, Dick and Harry on the net. I'm deleting at least 25-30 e-mails a day. It gets old after a while. Can somebody shed some light on this? PLEASE! Don't everybody respond at once or I'll spend the rest of my evening deleting e-mails. Thank you. Dave Henderson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Undirected e-mails From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 19:40:42 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 flyakr2 wrote: > > Can somebody please tell me why I'm getting bombarded with so many > undirected e-mails off the KR-net? It appears most of them are intended > for a specific person, but I'm getting e-mails from every Tom, Dick and > Harry on the net. Well that's how an email list works. You get a copy of every single email that is sent to the list. I am sending this to the list in case there are others out there that don't understand how a list works. If deleting the email you don't need is starting to bother you then its time to get off the list and get on the digest version or just get off the list all together. There are instructions on the KRNet website http://www.krnet.org on how to unsubscribe and subscribe to the digest. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: New Pics From: Mike Mims Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:17:44 -0700 X-Message-Number: 18 There are some new pictures of my engine at: http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/engine.html Scroll to the bottom and check em out! -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Building New Gear Legs http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: New aviation list From: "Capps Family" Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:55:51 -0500 X-Message-Number: 19 At 4% inflation a year. That would make the 1983 - $3200 1999 - $5300 Just a guess. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Muse To: KR-net users group Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 4:42 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: New aviation list > At 04:57 PM 10/02/1999 EDT, you wrote: > >In a message dated 10/01/1999 11:14:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >bmuse@mindspring.com writes: > > > ><< > > My Dad built his KR2 for $3200(first flew in 1983). He doesn't like to > > tell people that because he feels that they don't believe him but it is > > true.. But unlike most he built everything himself including the engine, > > airframe, wings, paint, interior and yes, the radio from a RST kit. He > > believes that if you build a homebuilt that you build a 100% homebuilt not > > a part homebuilt. >> > > > > > > I built mine for $3200 , in 76 . > > Bill > > Yo. Oh. > > > >- > > > Maybe someone could figure how much money that would be in todays' dollars?? > > > > Bobby Muse > N122B - Wimberley, TX > mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cappsfan@ameritech.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: cooling problems with EA81 in KR2S From: "Les Kinkade" Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 21:37:24 X-Message-Number: 20 Les Kinkade, Louisville Ky, doing initial engine runs with prop and cowling. I am running a 1.83 to 1 belt drive reduction with two heater core radiators in the cheeks of the cowling. The radiator faces are flush with the cowlings with no ducting over them in the slip stream. In running the engine without the cowling I experienced no overheating and had smooth power up to tne max of 4600 rpm static. The first engine run with the cowling on saw a steady water and oil temp climb to 235 degrees before I shutit down.All the cooling air that enters the front of the cowling is fed to the radiators thru fiberglass tunnels. My first question is who in KR land might be running a system similar to mine who has made it work? Is one of my problems possibly that I need cowling over the radiators to try to create a low preasure exit for the cooling air? I greatly appreciate any help on this problem. I'm a new member and new to computers trying to learn my way around the KRnet so appreciate everyones patience. If pictures could help understanding what I am working with I would be glad to post them If I knew how. Thanks in advance, Les Kinkade ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Strengths of wood From: Greg S Martin Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:52:50 -0700 X-Message-Number: 21 William I built a KR-1 back in the mid '70's and a KR-2 in the late '70's. Both were Doug Fir and to my knowledge their are still both flying. And, I used West Systems in both cases for wood and wings. Yes f/b is the easy to say that DF is strong wood. But it's the modules of elasticity and the closeness of the grain that really counts, in that category DF wins also. Look at a Uniform Building Code wood table or what every code book used in your neck of the 'woods'. With enough information, anyone can find the wright wood of 'their' choice to build a plane. Don't fore get, the titter the grain, the less epoxy that gets into the wood. Greg Martin Bakersfield, CA idrawtobuild@juno.com On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:35:54 EDT WilliamTCA@aol.com writes: > Dear friend: > Spruce is a soft wood. I know a lot about wood, and I can > assure you > that spruce is the way to go in building your plane. The > dimensionally wood > is a very small fraction of the total cost of your project. To > utilize the > inmpoved strenght of Fir you would need to reduce the dimensions of > the > parts......not practical. I own a peittenpol made of fir and it was > a > mistake. Spruce is a much better wood to work with... it hold > epoxy and is > much less prone to splintering. Enjoy building, use Spruce. > William > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: idrawtobuild@juno.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com