From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 12:13 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: October 10, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Sunday, October 10, 1999. 1. Throwing around the 450 member thing (Joining the ranks....Finally!) 2. Re: KR Aircraft/People at SW Regional Fly-In 3. Re: Use of Oil Cooler as Source For Carb Heat 4. Re: Use of Oil Cooler as Source For Carb Heat 5. Re: Gathering Forum video deal 6. Re: Use of Oil Cooler as Source For Carb Heat 7. Changing your incidence. 8. Brakes - thanks 9. Aircraft hardware weights 10. Re: Aircraft hardware weights 11. Re: Gathering Forum video deal 12. Re: Changing your incidence. 13. Re: Gathering Forum video deal 14. Re: Changing your incidence. 15. How to Make Mim's PIG GO 16. Re: Joining the ranks....Finally! 17. Just a start, and two big lessons 18. Re: Throwing around the 450 member thing (Joining the ranks....Finally!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Throwing around the 450 member thing (Joining the ranks....Finally!) From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 00:29:44 -0700 X-Message-Number: 1 CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com wrote: > > did the other 449 people enjoy that as much as i did, im sorry but if it > doesn't pertain to kr construction, or safety i hate to have to waste my time > to read please, do not send on net unless 450 people need to read it. > thank you Hey even if you don't care for this new KR builders enthusiasm you must remember he also posted that he had a radio for sale. I think that 450 potential KR builders didn't mind hearing that, well except for one or two. Maybe its time for some of us to read those instructions at the bottom of the each and every post and UNSUBSCRIBE! I have to say that this list was better when it was smaller but then again I have never been a fan of large crowds! Oh yeah and before I get nailed for sending this to 450 people here, once again here is my message that was meant for all: "Maybe its time for some of us to read those instructions at the bottom of the each and every post and UNSUBSCRIBE!" Good Night and Sweet Dreams, Yada Yada Yada. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR Aircraft/People at SW Regional Fly-In From: "Gary Bunch" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 2:22:55 X-Message-Number: 2 for info on lodging, etc., go to http://www.swrfi.com/fly_in/flyin.htm Gary Bunch lightbulb@iwl.net Alvin, tx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Use of Oil Cooler as Source For Carb Heat From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 07:38:59 -0500 X-Message-Number: 3 > Has any of you ever used or considered using warm air from the oil cooler as > a source of air for carb heat? There are two problems with this. The oil takes a very long time to warm up, and when it does warm up, the cooler doesn't reject but a tiny fraction of the heat that the exhaust system puts out. That's why Wichita (or anybody else) doesn't do it. Somebody's selling this idea as an auxillary heater for Beetles. The fallacy is that in the Winter when it's cold, the oil cooler isn't doing much, since the engine case has fins all over the bottom. The engine ingests a lot of air at operating speed. The temperature difference that an oil cooler would make would be almost insignificant. As a case in point, on the air-cooled VWs, the carb heat comes from the exhaust system, not from the oil cooler which would be a closer, more convenient source, if it worked... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Use of Oil Cooler as Source For Carb Heat From: "John Weikel" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 07:53:57 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4 Mark, I am inclined to agree with you. It's just that it sure would be easy with the heat source so close to the carb. Like most things in life, I guess it was just too good (and easy) to be true. Thanks for the response... John W -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, October 10, 1999 7:38 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Use of Oil Cooler as Source For Carb Heat >> Has any of you ever used or considered using warm air from the oil cooler >as >> a source of air for carb heat? > >There are two problems with this. The oil takes a very long time to warm >up, and when it does warm up, the cooler doesn't reject but a tiny fraction >of the heat that the exhaust system puts out. That's why Wichita (or >anybody else) doesn't do it. Somebody's selling this idea as an auxillary >heater for Beetles. The fallacy is that in the Winter when it's cold, the >oil cooler isn't doing much, since the engine case has fins all over the >bottom. The engine ingests a lot of air at operating speed. The >temperature difference that an oil cooler would make would be almost >insignificant. > >As a case in point, on the air-cooled VWs, the carb heat comes from the >exhaust system, not from the oil cooler which would be a closer, more >convenient source, if it worked... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jandd@maverickbbs.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gathering Forum video deal From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:26:42 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5 Rich Parker wrote: > Thats a pretty good deal if 460 people send you $10 > > send it to me next and I'll copy it send you the 10 bucks and 458 people can > get it from me at $5 each :-o Well, as my wife likes to say, no good deed goes unpunished. I guess I didn't explain the situation well enough before. Somebody asked on KRNet a week before the Gathering that someone video tape the forums for him. He even volunteered to pay $85 for it. Several other folks said they'd like one too, so I volunteered to do it for a reasonable fee. In the same message, I said "if anybody else wants to bring a camera and do it for less, you're more than welcome to do it". I don't remember a response from you, Rich. I thought $25 was reasonable, but the tiny reponse proved me wrong. I was tempted to email the four people who had signed up to buy one and tell them that "I'm sorry, it's just not worth my time", but most of the work had already been done, and now it was just a matter of tying up my two VCRs for 6 hours at a time, and mailing them out. Keep in mind that I've spent close to 20 hours messing around with this so far, and that I could be getting paid for working overtime at work, or even better, WORKING ON MY AIRPLANE! But after watching the forums while editing (I didn't have a chance to see ANY of them either, since I was busy talking to people) I decided that they were simply too valuable to bury. So I hatched the $10 plan. After reading your little comment, I was tempted to mail you the three 8mm tapes and the list of the 8 people who've reponded so far, and LET YOU DO IT! But I have a feeling it would never happen. But next year, it's all yours, buddy! I think I've done enough. Now I'm sure you'll come back with "Gee Mark, you sure do have your panties in a wad, I put some kinda doofy face at the end of the message so it shouldn't have ticked you off". Well, I don't do smiley faces. That's probably because people use them to hide behind after spouting off inflammatory remarks that should never have been made... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Use of Oil Cooler as Source For Carb Heat From: Krwr1@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:36:29 EDT X-Message-Number: 6 I used the oil cooler as a heat source for winter time , only trouble, the oil never got hot enough to get any in the winter time . Bill youngstown Oh ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Changing your incidence. From: Mark Jones Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:03:09 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 Hi Netter's, I have been following the new AS504X airfoil closely and had procrastinated installing the wing in my 2S. This was only because of all the tearing out of seat braces and additional blocking I did to attach the aft spar to the verticals and fuselage floor. Well after rechecking my original set up for incidence and finding it to be incorrect, I decided it was time to make the transition to the AS5046 airfoil which is designed to mate with the plans built spars. I spent about 3-4 hours Wednesday night removing my aft spar, or should I say freeing up the spar. I did not have to remove the WAF's or the aileron belcrank assemblies, simply freed her up and raised it and set it. With patience, a hammer, a wood chisel set and a hacksaw blade, you can very easily free up the aft spar with no damage to the spar or verticals. Remember the key here is patience! I already had the templates, which were obtained through "Trailing Edge Technologies", prepared for the installation. So yesterday, I releveled the plane with a water level and a "Smart Tool" level, which has a digital readout in tenths of degrees, and set the aft spar to an exact one degree. The "Smart Tool", thanks to a friend who loaned it to me, made the setting of the incidence incredibly easy. For all of those of you out there, who can't decide to change that incidence to accept the new airfoil, I say just do it. You'll be glad you did. I just wish I had done it two months ago when I first made the AS5046 templates. Sure would have saved me a lot of mental anguish trying to decide what to do. There will be photos on my web site soon showing the conversion to the AS5046 airfoil. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Brakes - thanks From: Kr2dream@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:12:53 EDT X-Message-Number: 8 Thanks to all who responded. It works well. I think the advice is a benefit to many. Bob Lasecki Happy in Chicago - making more progress now! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Aircraft hardware weights From: Richard Selix Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:02:11 -0700 X-Message-Number: 9 Netters: I have a question for you. Has anyone seen the weights of various aircraft bolts, screws, nuts, etc. published anywhere? Your help would be appreciated greatly. Richard Selix rselix@earthlink.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Aircraft hardware weights From: "Mark Langford" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:18:55 -0500 X-Message-Number: 10 Richard Selix wrote: > Has anyone seen the weights of various aircraft bolts, > screws, nuts, etc. published anywhere? Richard, the "Evans Lightplane Designer's Handbook" has weights for just about every MS and AN piece of hardware you'd ever use on an airplane. I think both Wick and AS&S sell it for about $33, but it's easily worth it. If I only had one such book, this would be it. It also constains lots of stuff that I've never seen anywhere else, like how to calculate fuselage structure stresses in designs like the KR... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gathering Forum video deal From: "Leon Adelstone" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:58:22 X-Message-Number: 11 Mark, I hope a CONSTRUCTIVE comment may be helpful. Instead of messing with copying these, I know a company that will reproduce these (50 or more at a time) and package them (ready to address and ship) for $2.50 each. After $1.24 (book rate) postage you could sell these outright for $15, and make more than $11.26 profit each, and everyone could get the tape (to keep) for a low enough price to encourage more sales. If you want further info, e-mail me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Changing your incidence. From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:52:23 EDT X-Message-Number: 12 In a message dated 10/10/99 9:59:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, flykr2s@execpc.com writes: << For all of those of you out there, who can't decide to change that incidence to accept the new airfoil, I say just do it. You'll be glad you did. I just wish I had done it two months ago when I first made the AS5046 templates. >> Guys, I hate to throw out the "me too" thing but if you have your aft spar installed and want to change the incidence it really is a piece of cake. "Taking your time" is a misnomer as it doesn't take anytime at all, you will be surprise how easy the thing comes out. Guys, raising that aft spar up WILL make your airplane a cleaner flying airplane.........plain and simple. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gathering Forum video deal From: "Richard Parker" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:04:23 PDT X-Message-Number: 13 Mark, I'll apologize publicly. Please beleive me in that I was honestly joking. If you could have made $4600 it would have been well deserved and a very small return on the information you have provided to kr builders. I think you have single handedly done more for the Kr in the 90's than Rand Robinson. Your web site has provided me with more instruction than the KR builders manual, or anything I've read to date. I'd have bought the video if I hadnt already learned it from you. Rich Parker >From: "Mark Langford" >After reading your little comment, I was tempted to mail you the three 8mm >tapes and the list of the 8 people who've reponded so far, and LET YOU DO >IT! But I have a feeling it would never happen. But next year, it's all >yours, buddy! I think I've done enough. > >Now I'm sure you'll come back with "Gee Mark, you sure do have your panties >in a wad, I put some kinda doofy face at the end of the message so it >shouldn't have ticked you off". Well, I don't do smiley faces. That's >probably because people use them to hide behind after spouting off >inflammatory remarks that should never have been made... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Changing your incidence. From: "Peter Johnson" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:20:49 -0000 X-Message-Number: 14 Hi Dana. Re: changing the angle of incidence, what is the recommended angle for the AS504X airfoils? Are you or other builders building in any washout? - How much? Thanks Dana. From everything I've read you deserve a big round of applause for your work at the fly-in. ---------- > From: KR2616TJ@aol.com > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Changing your incidence. > Date: Sunday, October 10, 1999 9:52 PM > > In a message dated 10/10/99 9:59:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > flykr2s@execpc.com writes: > > << For all of those of you out there, who can't decide to change that > incidence to accept the new airfoil, I say just do it. You'll be glad > you did. I just wish I had done it two months ago when I first made the > AS5046 templates. >> > > Guys, I hate to throw out the "me too" thing but if you have your aft spar > installed and want to change the incidence it really is a piece of cake. > "Taking your time" is a misnomer as it doesn't take anytime at all, you will > be surprise how easy the thing comes out. Guys, raising that aft spar up > WILL make your airplane a cleaner flying airplane.........plain and simple. > > Dana Overall > 2000 KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: pjohnson@voyageur.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: How to Make Mim's PIG GO From: "Ron Freiberger" Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:09:41 -0500 X-Message-Number: 15 > Hello to all that want to use NOS on take off.... As most of you know > Airplane Engines Runs Quite Rich on take off. This condition Is wonderful > for using NOS. > One can Inject NOS into any Vacuum Line With a .030 Jet with out any Problem > This will allow the user to gain about 25 to 40 Hp. With out injecting any > additional Fuel. > The .030 Jet will use about 1/2 Pound of NOS per 15 sec used. A 25 LB > Bottle of NOS with > 10 Lbs of NOS can Use that Bottle for aprox. 25 to 30 take off's. I > would use it only to get into the air. Ps you Might have to make your > own jet. Use High Pressure up to the jet then a Rubber vacuum line will be > fine. Try to use a Main Vacuum Line that will get to each cyl. > The use of a .020 Jet will use about 1/4 Lb of NOS per 15 sec Burn time. Not > much less power. > Try the .020 Jet first. > No retarding timing is needed. > All testing was done on a Super Flow 901 Dyno. Field testing Reported Gains > as noted on the dyno. > Good luck If you have any questions contact me. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Joining the ranks....Finally! From: "BillStarrs" Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:12:14 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 IT most certainly does refer to safety, and renewing your medical -----Original Message----- From: CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Saturday, October 09, 1999 6:49 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Joining the ranks....Finally! >did the other 449 people enjoy that as much as i did, im sorry but if it >doesn't pertain to kr construction, or safety i hate to have to waste my time >to read please, do not send on net unless 450 people need to read it. >thank you > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: bstarrs@cybertrails.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Just a start, and two big lessons From: WHin77@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:27:23 EDT X-Message-Number: 17 Well they say you can lead a horse to water but he don't have to drink. I proved it again this weekend. I statred gluing up my boat with T-88. Forgot that the stuff really sets up fast in 90 degree heat, and you can clamp the members up too tight. This after noon when I took the clamps off there was a bunch of snapping sounds and things really came apart. I knew better, Mike Mimms had warned me, Harris reminded me, and I glued it up and really clamped her down tight. So I spent this after noon sanding T-88 off the wood, and re-setting up the clamps, and this evening I glued her back up, again, It's cooler and I resisted tighting the clamps so tight,next week when I get back, we'll get started on the gussets.( If I don't hear a bunch of snapping) Here's hoping that those of you just getting started like me will learn from my stupid mistakes. Wendell (Wendy) Hinman Ontario, California ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Throwing around the 450 member thing (Joining the ranks....Finally!) From: "BillStarrs" Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:32:45 -0700 X-Message-Number: 18 Mike, Like you said , if you don't want to read it just press delete. Bill, Prescott Az -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, October 10, 1999 1:05 AM Subject: [kr-net] Throwing around the 450 member thing (Joining the ranks....Finally!) >CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com wrote: >> >> did the other 449 people enjoy that as much as i did, im sorry but if it >> doesn't pertain to kr construction, or safety i hate to have to waste my time >> to read please, do not send on net unless 450 people need to read it. >> thank you > >Hey even if you don't care for this new KR builders enthusiasm you must >remember he also posted that he had a radio for sale. I think that 450 >potential KR builders didn't mind hearing that, well except for one or >two. Maybe its time for some of us to read those instructions at the >bottom of the each and every post and UNSUBSCRIBE! I have to say that >this list was better when it was smaller but then again I have never >been a fan of large crowds! Oh yeah and before I get nailed for sending >this to 450 people here, once again here is my message that was meant >for all: > >"Maybe its time for some of us to read those instructions at the bottom >of the each and every post and UNSUBSCRIBE!" > >Good Night and Sweet Dreams, Yada Yada Yada. > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( >http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ >http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >Aliso Viejo CA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: bstarrs@cybertrails.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com