From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 11:15 PM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: October 14, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Thursday, October 14, 1999. 1. Carb Heat Shrouds 2. Purchasing plans 3. Re: TLAR 4. Re: wing seam covers 5. Re: Paul's KR 6. Re: wing seam covers 7. Re: wing seam covers 8. Re: 2000 Gathering 9. Re: wing seam covers 10. Re: 45 deg. vs. 90 deg. cloth 11. Re: Purchasing plans 12. Re: Carbon fiber and galvanic corosion 13. Re: First bill for '99 in 14. Re: First bill for '99 in 15. Re: First bill for '99 in 16. Re: First bill for '99 in 17. Cuyuna Engine 18. Re: Just a start, and two big lessons 19. Re: First bill for '99 20. make vertical stab off the plane? 21. On line manual 22. Re: wing seam covers 23. Re: Cuyuna Engine 24. Re: Cuyuna Engine 25. Re: Gathering 26. Re: wing seam covers 27. RE: 2000 gathering 28. Re: Clarification 29. Re: Cuyuna Engine 30. Re: TLAR 31. Re: Cuyuna Engine 32. How to setup a new mail server. 33. Re: make vertical stab off the plane? 34. Re: Cuyuna Engine 35. Re: Cuyuna Engine 36. RE: 2000 gathering 37. Re: make vertical stab off the plane? 38. Re: wing seam covers 39. Re: Grandson's First Flight 40. Triaxial cloth and such 41. Re: Purchasing plans 42. Re: First bill for '99 in 43. Re: Carbon fiber and galvanic corosion 44. Alternate Server Technologies for KR-net 45. Re: First bill for '99 46. Re: Just a start, and two big lessons 47. RE: 2000 gathering 48. Holman 49. Re: How to setup a new mail server. 50. Re: Triaxial cloth and such ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Carb Heat Shrouds From: "John Martindale" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 1:21:57 X-Message-Number: 1 Hi Folks Just a little warning from experience with wire wrapped heat exchangers. When I reengined my Cessna Cardinal from 0-320 to 0-360 I had to demonstrate the carb heat rise for approval. Guess what, the original Cessna shrould (no wire)didn't achieve the spec. So, I wound on a spiral of wire. No problems, extra heat rise was significant and passed specs (actually too high and made engine run rich - used less wire). Later, the wire rusted and a little bit broke off and got sucked in (remember the hot air enters after the air filter) and seized my new engine!!!. Moral: Use non-corroding wire eg. stainless or install before the air filter. See Ya John. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Purchasing plans From: jerod@msmisp.com (Jerod Moore) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 05:22:23 +0000 X-Message-Number: 2 I've just moved to a new job, and after everything settles down, I'm planning on buying a set of plans to study until I'm ready to build. I've been lurking on this mailing list for a few months, but haven't found all of the information that I'm looking for. If a few of you help me out with my questions, I would appreciate it. What is the approximate time to build time for a plans-built KR2S? I know it varies widely from person to person, but a rough estimate would be great. I want to change a few things from the original plans: 1. New airfoil/incidence (after it flies a few more times and I'm comfortable with it). 2. Make it a 1 person (like the "KR2-A Critical Design Analysis" artilce suggests). 3. Stretch it maybe a bit longer than the KR2S plans call for if others I talk to feel it's helpful. 4. Fixed gear. Is the KR2S the only plans to include fixed gear? Thanks in advance for your replies. I appreciate you all helping me sort things out. Jerod Moore ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: TLAR From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:12:34 -0500 X-Message-Number: 3 "Evan's Lightplane Designer's Handbook" (Wick's, Pg 83) is an excellant "no frills" book which leaves out all the philosphical and complicated formulas. Most guys who have read it give it an "A" plus. Ed -----Original Message----- From: WilliamTCA@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 11:24 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: TLAR >Friends, > I just read the suggestion to use Holmans book to learn. As I am >perhaps the only person on the Krnet who has built a Stallion and a Lancair >IV, I am in the unique position to say that this mans books are worthless to >people who wish to learn about aircraft design. You need to be an industry >insider to hear what the people at Lancair think of him and you should wonder >why nine years after the Stallions introduction only the prototype is flying. > Thurston is a great designer, but his books are philosophical and >statistical in nature. To learn about flight in general, everyone needs a >copy of Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators. John Roncz's articles, which Dean >mentioned, are a great work on aerodynamics. For structures, there is Stress >without Tears by Welsh for an introduction and the last word is Analysis of >Flight Vehicle Structures by Bruhn. I own a few hundred books on the >subject, but these are the ones I commonly recommend to homebuilders who want >to learn "why". > William > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ejanssen@chipsnet.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wing seam covers From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:18:14 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4 Does anyone know what brand of tape the sailplane guys use? I've used various white tapes on my KR-1 at times. They have worked just fine as gap fillers (even on the wide ones), but they leave a nasty residue when they're taken off. Ed Janssen -----Original Message----- From: Ross R. Youngblood To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, October 14, 1999 12:41 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: wing seam covers >Mike, > Don't use DUCT tape, it will leave a residue. I'd use Electrical tape. Then >plastic sheeting or mylar attached to the wing with Electrical tape. >Actually this is one of those spur of the moment ideas, that gets posted to >KR-net to see if anyone else thinks it's good before one trys it one-self. >I will be watching the net on this, as I need to make wing gap seals eventually >too. At one point I was considering using tape (like sailplane pilots do) as >a permanent solution, but I'm not sure it will work for such a wide gap. > >-- Ross > >garbez wrote: > >> The gathering was great as always, this was my fourth year and the first to >> be able to bring my KR, it was on a trailer but next year I will fly, can't >> wait. Last week Jeff Scott from New Mexico came by for a visit. It was >> really nice to have a KR buddy stop by and visit for a while, thanks Jeff. >> Any way since I have the wings off and it is at home i"m doing some repairs >> that needed soome attention. The bottom of the wing panels never dried (bad >> paint) so the company that sold me the paint gave me all the stuff to >> repaint had to strip the paint off with thinner, which was NO FUN then >> repainted the wings and also re-did the cowl and top deck. The cowling was >> cracking where the screws were, now there is no screws. The top deck and >> cowling have piano hinges, looks great. O.K. now for my question; I never >> made anything to cover the wing seams and now is a good time. I'm going to >> use 3" fiberglass tape, but I don't know what I should use to cover the wing >> so the layup won't stick to the wing. I heard Bobby Muse talking about it >> to someone a couple of years ago at one of the gatherings, maybe he or >> anyone else who knows can post it on the net so we will all know. >> >> Thanks, >> Mike Garbez N998MG >> Griswold, IA >> (712) 778-2449 >> msgtlg@netins.net >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ejanssen@chipsnet.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Paul's KR From: tom Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:17:46 -0400 X-Message-Number: 5 Wolf Packs, Inc. wrote: > > No, I don't have a prop cutter, but I might need one soon. At this > point I'm hoping to find what pitch and length works best on MY plane. > Once that's established I'll look into how to alter my prop, or buy a > new one. > > I've seen posts from people who have trimmed their props. So how do > they get that perfect curve, width, and pitch angles along the whole > length, while staying symmetrical with the other end? Let me > guess...with a prop cutter? > > Do you have a prop cutter? > > > I just re-read my last message. To be clear...I > don't want to cut up someone's prop, just use one > "as is" to see how well it works. > > If someone out there has a used VW prop > (not type IV), anything from 54 X 44 to > 52 X 42, that I could borrow/test, I'd > sure like to try it out before I cut > mine. > > If you are talking about cutting length off, just cut an inch off both tips. A bandsaw would work well. Be carefull, be accurate, but it's not brain surgery. Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Mailto:toys@atlantic.net http://www.tomshardwoodtoys.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wing seam covers From: tom Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:25:36 -0400 X-Message-Number: 6 garbez wrote: O.K. now for my question; I never > made anything to cover the wing seams and now is a good time. I'm going to > use 3" fiberglass tape, but I don't know what I should use to cover the wing > so the layup won't stick to the wing. I heard Bobby Muse talking about it > to someone a couple of years ago at one of the gatherings, maybe he or > anyone else who knows can post it on the net so we will all know. > > Thanks, > Mike Garbez N998MG > Griswold, IA > (712) 778-2449 > msgtlg@netins.net > > Mike, Clear or brown packing tape would work well. Also, you could just tape down a layer of wax paper. I did mine that way. Your problem is going to be trying to do the under side of the wing. The plane should be upside down. You end up with two pieces that overlap slightly at the leading edge. I used silicone to attatch them to the wing. Also- someone mentioned 4 layers of 8oz. cloth. Personally, I think that is overkill. I used 2 layers of 6oz. cloth and was very happy with the outcome. -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Mailto:toys@atlantic.net http://www.tomshardwoodtoys.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wing seam covers From: Tlongcrier@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:44:26 EDT X-Message-Number: 7 There have been several posts regarding wing seal covers, particularly using fiberglass tapes and other kind of sealing tapes. FWIW, I have a KR 2 with Diehl wings, The wing gaps are covered with an alumium strip, cut to whatever width you want. The length should be, for the top of the wing, long enough to curve around leading edge to where the flat surface begins - or near to it - and end at the gap between the wing and the aileron. Shape this aluminum strip to the contour of the airfold. Crimp the edges downward just enough to make a nice contact with the wing surface. Attach with small sheet metal screws. As for the bottom of the wing, do the same thing. Since the bottom is mostly flat, little shaping will be necessary and you won't have to turn the plane upside down. Paint the strips the same color as the aircraft, or whatever you chose. It makes a very nice, professional looking gap seal. Also easily removed. A sheet metal screw on either side, 10 to 12 inches apart along the length is all that is needed. The fewer the better just so long as it is secure. TLongcrier @aol.com Florence, Al ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: 2000 Gathering From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:49:04 EDT X-Message-Number: 8 In a message dated 10/13/99 8:22:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jfaughn@mvp.net writes: << next year is the 20th KR Gathering. How many planes can we get to the Gathering next year to celebrate given the Gathering will start with fly-ins on Thursday? What can be done special to honor the fact that we have had 20 great Gatherings? >> I'm open for suggestions as the year goes on about what we can do special for this years event. I can only get rooms for the gathering on Friday and Saturday night without providing a substantial deposit. I am already placing a $500.00 deposit now as is. I don't think there is any problem with calling on your own and getting a room for Thursday night but please wait until I sign the contract and let everyone know to call. Don't call yet. I really thought that our Thursday afternoon and evening get together as much fun, and laid back, as any other time at the gathering. Although this will not be any "official" day, get there early you will find nothing going on other than a bunch of dedicated builders hanging out at the airport and swapping lies. Actually we cracked the keg open on Thursday this past gathering:-). It really does make for a good time. I'm going to start early on Sport Aviation and other mags. to get some publicity but like Mike said, start spreading the word because a lot of KR owners are not on the net nor do they receive the newsletter. Once again, I'm open for suggestions. Dana Overall 2000 Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wing seam covers From: David Mullins Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:52:36 -0400 X-Message-Number: 9 garbez wrote: O.K. now for my question; I never made anything to cover the wing seams and now is a good time. I'm going to use 3" fiberglass tape, but I don't know what I should use to cover the wing so the layup won't stick to the wing. I heard Bobby Muse talking about it to someone a couple of years ago at one of the gatherings, maybe he or anyone else who knows can post it on the net so we will all know. Thanks, Mike Garbez N998MG Griswold, IA (712) 778-2449 msgtlg@netins.net Mike, Here are my thoughts on the wing seam covers. I have used shrink wrap materials before. I think they are a little thin for our use and you would have to buy a roll of it. 3M markets something similar for sealing windows for winter. You would cut the plastic into a 1 foot wide strip. place it on the wing and attach securely and then heat it with a hot air gun (hair dryer). The plastic shrinks to fit the angles and spans the wing gap. This would be a benefit over Saran wrap as it would not have the wrinkles in it and the slightly thicker mil size would take some pressure from fiberglassing with out being pushed into the gap. Happy building and I will see you at the 2000 Gathering. Dave M Nashua, New Hampshire Mailto:dmullins@ici.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: 45 deg. vs. 90 deg. cloth From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:06:29 EDT X-Message-Number: 10 In a message dated 99-10-13 23:52:04 EDT, you write: << The continuous 45 degree glass cloth would be stronger if you use the unwoven type and easier, it is called biaxial cloth and usually comes in 50" widths. Larry Howell >> Its available in three configurations (Uni, plys running along the length, biaxial, plys running at 45 degrees, and Triaxial, one ply along the length and two at 45 degrees.) It is available at wicka nad Aircraft Spruce. Mike Mims planes wings are made of the triaxial type. he has alse used it on his homebrew legs. Haris mailto:hashraf@aol.ocm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Purchasing plans From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:28:15 EDT X-Message-Number: 11 Hi, Here are my opinions. << What is the approximate time to build time for a plans-built KR2S? I know it varies widely from person to person, but a rough estimate would be great. >> If you build at home then your construction will go really fast and you will have enough progress that will keep you motivated. My experience is that you can have substaintial progress if you put a few hours every day rather 10-16 hours during the weekend. KR is a pretty simple plane and it builds real fast. << I want to change a few things from the original plans: 1. New airfoil/incidence (after it flies a few more times and I'm comfortable with it). >> By the time you will be ready to put your wings on there will be atleast a few more flying. << 2. Make it a 1 person (like the "KR2-A Critical Design Analysis" artilce suggests). >> Onece you build the sides per plan, thet should be a very easy decision to make. You can just make some form, wrap the side around them and you are done. << 3. Stretch it maybe a bit longer than the KR2S plans call for if others I talk to feel it's helpful. >> Streching is no problem. Just add a fixed amount to each bay. I added half inch and my fuse is about 4 inches longer. << 4. Fixed gear. Is the KR2S the only plans to include fixed gear? >> yes. There are a lot of good web site on the net. I'll recommend Mark Langfords or Mike Mims sites. A lot of you other questions will also be answered. Haris mailto:hashraf@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Carbon fiber and galvanic corosion From: Larry Shull Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:09:57 -0700 X-Message-Number: 12 Why not just tell them that carbon is a conductor? Logic should lead to the fact that it is not good around metal hardware. That should also tell them that the antennas can't be put inside of a carbon fiber structure. The carbon fiber absorbs the signal just like aluminum does. Larry Shull Laheze@aol.com wrote: > Sorry but it is late and maybe I wasn' t clear . Do not bolt directly through > carbon. > Put a hardpoint of fiberglass or phonolic or hardwood at the point where you > want > to bolt through. Make the hard point bigger than the diameter of your bolt of > course. > Flox the hardpoint in and fiberglass over it onto your carbon fiber. > There does that make sense ? > > Larry Howell > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: LarryShu@PacBell.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: First bill for '99 in From: Larry Shull Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:30:20 -0700 X-Message-Number: 13 I'm feeling a little stupid again. Can someone try and explain to me why the KR-net doesn't own their own server? A domain name costs $70 for 2 years, a Linux box that will serve a mailing list can be built for a few hundred dollars. The people with the ability to set up and maintain it are definitely on this list. Larry Shull "Ross R. Youngblood" wrote: > I checked and we recieved the first bill for the next years service. > 12 months basic service for $99.50. This doesn't include our disk > quota or domain hosting charges, but does cover the basic kr-net > email list. I will be paying it tomorrow. > Our domain hosting and archive disk quota fees should come in at > another $130-200 for the next year (I have to review past invoices). > I'll let everyone know when I've paid everything... this is important > since I'm planning on moving from Oregon to Phoenix the first > part of November, and we don't want an interuption in KR-net > service while I'm busy packing/unpacking stuff. > If you are feeling guilty about not contributing to KR-net, hang > in there. The effort to keep KR-net running is nothing compared > to the tax mess I just cleaned up for our local EAA chapter! Geez > I get NO money for that mess, but at least the chapter treasury was > big enough to pay all the penalties... OUCH! > > I'm learning a lot about where to volunteer and where to lay low. > > -- Ross > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: LarryShu@PacBell.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: First bill for '99 in From: "George Majewski" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:27:53 -0400 X-Message-Number: 14 Larry wrote: > I'm feeling a little stupid again. Can someone try and explain to me why >the KR-net doesn't own their own server? A domain name costs $70 for 2 >years, a Linux box that will serve a mailing list can be built for a few >hundred dollars. The people with the ability to set up and maintain it are >definitely on this list. > Larry Shull > Larry there are additional costs and charges you forgot to mention: DSU + Router cost (good router may run you $3000) also monthly charge for full T1 line is about $3000 a month even if you go burstable T1 at the lowest speed of 128K it is still around $1450 a month chippest way to accomplish this task is to cohost it with some provider but still it will be $90 a month I would live that decision to Ross. It looks like he knows what he is doing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: First bill for '99 in From: "Capps Family" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:26:10 -0500 X-Message-Number: 15 I would recommend using ADSL, Cable Modem, or ISDN for the Internet connection. Example: An ISDN set up with dual channels (b1,b2) 128K, costs 40 dollars per month and then around 40 per month for your ISP. A simple ISDN Router (i.e. modem) costs around $300 to $600, and an ISDN device offers affordable, fast Internet access for multiple users in small and home-based office. Recommended for up to five users. One could use a simple and inexpensive 486 server and Linux to port mail to and from the members on KR-Net. If you would like further assistance with this issue, I would be glade to volunteer my time to this project. I can't make any promises but I can also see what I have available for donating to the cause. Larry Larry A. Capps Senior Solutions Architect Compaq Services 800.314.1239 ----- Original Message ----- From: George Majewski To: KR-net users group Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 12:27 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: First bill for '99 in > Larry wrote: > > > > I'm feeling a little stupid again. Can someone try and explain to me why > >the KR-net doesn't own their own server? A domain name costs $70 for 2 > >years, a Linux box that will serve a mailing list can be built for a few > >hundred dollars. The people with the ability to set up and maintain it are > >definitely on this list. > > Larry Shull > > > > > Larry there are additional costs and charges you forgot to mention: > > DSU + Router cost (good router may run you $3000) > also monthly charge for full T1 line is about $3000 a month > even if you go burstable T1 at the lowest speed of 128K it is still around > $1450 a month > chippest way to accomplish this task is to cohost it with some provider but > still it will be $90 a month > > I would live that decision to Ross. It looks like he knows what he is > doing. > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cappsfan@ameritech.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: First bill for '99 in From: Larry Shull Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 11:52:11 -0700 X-Message-Number: 16 George Majewski wrote: > Larry wrote: > > > I'm feeling a little stupid again. Can someone try and explain to me why > >the KR-net doesn't own their own server? A domain name costs $70 for 2 > >years, a Linux box that will serve a mailing list can be built for a few > >hundred dollars. The people with the ability to set up and maintain it are > >definitely on this list. > > Larry Shull > > > > Larry there are additional costs and charges you forgot to mention: > > DSU + Router cost (good router may run you $3000) Linux comes with Apache server as part of it. It also has a router built into it. All you have to do is activate it. There is over a 50% chance that your ISP uses Apache server for their machine. You can get it as a free download. I know that is what AOL uses. I'm building a router for my home system right now. I expect to have all of $400.00 in it when it is finished. I saw a router at FRY's the other day for less than$300 > > also monthly charge for full T1 line is about $3000 a month I'm on an ADSL line from pacbell it costs me $49.00 a month. There is no need to have a blazing fast connection to send 50 E-mails a day to 450 people. It can easily be done on a 56k phone line. > > even if you go burstable T1 at the lowest speed of 128K it is still around > $1450 a month > chippest way to accomplish this task is to cohost it with some provider but > still it will be $90 a month > > I would live that decision to Ross. It looks like he knows what he is > doing. I'm not trying to cause problems, just wondering why so much HP is used to get so little done? You seem able to get a wing designed and flying. But can't send a picture of it to everyone with out being in trouble for it. I'm having trouble understanding that. My girlfrind sends out a newsletter with a lot of graphics on it 2 times a week , it takes her all of 5 minutes to send it too 200 people at 56k. I upload at 156k on my ADSL line and download at over 300k, that seems more than sufficent to handle all of the traffic on this list. Like I said, just courious, I have no doubt that Ross knows what he is doing at all. It just looks to me like borrowing a Calloway Corevett just to go to the 7/11 store and I was wondering why? By the way, this was sent to you using a LINUX machine. Larry > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: LarryShu@PacBell.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Cuyuna Engine From: "Carlton Blandford" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:26:11 +0200 X-Message-Number: 17 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01BF15C1.92184A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howzit Chaps, Anyone know where I can find some info on the Cuyuna 2 stroke 4 = cylinder engine.=20 What are your views on this engine?...heard it is not so good Any info appreciated Thks Carlton Blandford RSA Looking for new engine ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01BF15C1.92184A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0098_01BF15C1.92184A00-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Just a start, and two big lessons From: Tom Raby GRE/ER PwrSysOp Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:37:15 -0500 X-Message-Number: 18 Speaking of clamps. An article in S.A. or Experimenter showed clamps made of thin sections of PVC pipe, plastic drain pipe. We used it for holding gussets while gluing up the fuselage sides. They worked great. Just cut slices off the pipe. Different diameter pipe and different thickness slices, depending on what your gluing. Then just slit the sections you cut or notch them depending on what you need to span. Can't find a cheaper clamp. You can make dozens of them in minutes. We clamped all the gussets on a side along with the verticals in one operation. -----Original Message----- From: HAshraf@aol.com [mailto:HAshraf@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 8:30 PM To: KR-net users group Subject: [kr-net] Re: Just a start, and two big lessons In a message dated 99-10-10 23:28:12 EDT, you write: << Harris reminded me, and I glued it up and really clamped her down tight. So I spent this after noon sanding T-88 off the wood, and re-setting up the clamps, and this evening I glued her back up, again, It's cooler and I resisted tighting the clamps so tight,next week when I get back, we'll get started on the gussets >> You need to put gussetts before the clamps come off,. Also In hot weather you need to put one coat of epoxy wait two minutes and recoat. At 95-100 deg epoxy get absorbed in the wood very easily anfd the resulting joint is dry. I alway glue some scrap wood also. I break it later in a vise to test the integrety of the design. Also, the regular two inch clamps (Home Depot or Homebase type) apply too much force. I use some cheap clamps I bought from the 'Toolman' at Sun 'n' Fun. They are perfect fo gussett work. I have a picture of them on my web site. Haris mailto:hashraf@aol.com --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: traby@grenergy.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: First bill for '99 From: Ron Lee Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:41:09 -0600 X-Message-Number: 19 > I'm not trying to cause problems, just wondering why so much HP is used to >get so little done? > Larry Neat discussion. It might result in a better setup. When you decide which way you are going Ross, be sure to provide your address and check payee name (yours) so those slackards among us who should help with costs can do it. Ron "Cheapskate" Lee ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: make vertical stab off the plane? From: smithr Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 16:14:58 -0400 X-Message-Number: 20 Does anyone know of any problems with making a KR vertical stab and rudder separate from the plane and installing it with the hstab at a later time or is this a bad idea? I am building in a basement and can't attach the rudder post or I won't be able to get the plane out of the basement but I would like to make the vstab/rudder now while the hstab/elev is fresh in my mind. Bob Smith. . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: On line manual From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:41:38 -0300 X-Message-Number: 21 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BF1578.4ABE2F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear KRnets (I=B4m sorry for errors in last message) A while ago that I come meditating regarding the threat of compiling different articles to arrive to the on-line Manual of the KR. For what I have seen and read since I arrived to the net, we have people with important quantity of theoretical and practical knowledge. We have = a new profile -our profile- that adapts much better than the old RAF 48 to = our KR. We have the opportunity then... I believe that it is strange to find a human group of these = characteristics and in the quantity that we form the net. Up to now it has taken place a quantity and quality of not very frequent information. It would be a pity not to recapture the making of the = Manual. I know that it is supposed when I saying this, that I am loading in some backs the weight of a difficult task.Mainly for those that work and they dedicate good part of the free time to the net. My respect for that people. It would be good to recapture the possibility to reorder knowledge, articles, opinions, experiences that are good for those that come. And = so that the KR follows its development. Eduardo emiglesias@cpenet.com.ar ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BF1578.4ABE2F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear KRnets
(I´m sorry for errors in last = message)

A while ago that I come meditating regarding the = threat of=20 compiling
different articles to arrive to the on-line Manual of the=20 KR.
For what I have seen and read since I arrived to the net, we have = people
with important quantity of theoretical and practical = knowledge. We=20 have a
new profile -our profile- that adapts much better than the old = RAF 48=20 to our
KR. We have the opportunity then...
I believe that it is = strange to=20 find a human group of these characteristics
and in the quantity that = we form=20 the net.
Up to now it has taken place a quantity and quality of not = very=20 frequent
information. It would be a pity not to recapture the making = of the=20 Manual.
I know that it is supposed when I saying this, that I am = loading in=20 some
backs the weight of a difficult task.Mainly for those that work = and=20 they
dedicate good part of the free time to the net.
My respect = for that=20 people.
It would be good to recapture the possibility to reorder=20 knowledge,
articles, opinions, experiences that are good for those = that come.=20 And so
that the KR follows its development.
Eduardo

emiglesias@cpenet.com.ar
=
------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BF1578.4ABE2F60-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wing seam covers From: "Henning Mortensen" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:32:23 PDT X-Message-Number: 22 As a sailplane guy, I can tell you that most of us prefer to use surgical tape. It sticks better with no residue. However, since one always seems to get the last foot of the last roll, a lot of white electrical tape gets used also. Henning Mortensen Regina, Sk, Canada KR2 - boat done Oh I should add that I found a crack in my rear spar, just under the WAF. Seems the previous builder did not understand that the bolts need to be tightened carefully so as not to crush the wood. Good excuse to raise the rear spar, though. ps. Any comment on the idea of sanding away the crack to see how deep it goes. It looks like it is just at the surface and I may not loose more then 1/8 th of an inch. It's got me wondering. >From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) >Reply-To: "KR-net users group" >To: "KR-net users group" >Subject: [kr-net] Re: wing seam covers >Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 07:18:14 -0500 > >Does anyone know what brand of tape the sailplane guys use? I've used >various white tapes on my KR-1 at times. They have worked just fine as gap >fillers (even on the wide ones), but they leave a nasty residue when >they're >taken off. > >Ed Janssen > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ross R. Youngblood >To: KR-net users group >Date: Thursday, October 14, 1999 12:41 AM >Subject: [kr-net] Re: wing seam covers > > > >Mike, > > Don't use DUCT tape, it will leave a residue. I'd use Electrical tape. >Then > >plastic sheeting or mylar attached to the wing with Electrical tape. > >Actually this is one of those spur of the moment ideas, that gets posted >to > >KR-net to see if anyone else thinks it's good before one trys it >one-self. > >I will be watching the net on this, as I need to make wing gap seals >eventually > >too. At one point I was considering using tape (like sailplane pilots >do) >as > >a permanent solution, but I'm not sure it will work for such a wide gap. > > > >-- Ross > > > >garbez wrote: > > > >> The gathering was great as always, this was my fourth year and the >first >to > >> be able to bring my KR, it was on a trailer but next year I will fly, >can't > >> wait. Last week Jeff Scott from New Mexico came by for a visit. It >was > >> really nice to have a KR buddy stop by and visit for a while, thanks >Jeff. > >> Any way since I have the wings off and it is at home i"m doing some >repairs > >> that needed soome attention. The bottom of the wing panels never dried >(bad > >> paint) so the company that sold me the paint gave me all the stuff to > >> repaint had to strip the paint off with thinner, which was NO FUN then > >> repainted the wings and also re-did the cowl and top deck. The cowling >was > >> cracking where the screws were, now there is no screws. The top deck >and > >> cowling have piano hinges, looks great. O.K. now for my question; I >never > >> made anything to cover the wing seams and now is a good time. I'm >going >to > >> use 3" fiberglass tape, but I don't know what I should use to cover the >wing > >> so the layup won't stick to the wing. I heard Bobby Muse talking about >it > >> to someone a couple of years ago at one of the gatherings, maybe he or > >> anyone else who knows can post it on the net so we will all know. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Mike Garbez N998MG > >> Griswold, IA > >> (712) 778-2449 > >> msgtlg@netins.net > >> > >> --- > >> You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ejanssen@chipsnet.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: henning_kr2@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Cuyuna Engine From: Mark Jones Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:20:13 -0500 X-Message-Number: 23 --------------06A3FC0982BFB0454ADB81D5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carlton Blandford wrote: > Howzit Chaps, Anyone know where I can find some info on the Cuyuna 2 > stroke 4 cylinder engine.What are your views on this engine?...heard > it is not so good Any info appreciated Thks Carlton > BlandfordRSALooking for new engine Carlton, Cuyuna is basically designed for snowmobile use. Back in 1980-83 I had an ultralight which had one on it. It was a great engine for a one man light weight flying machine. Mine was so popular it was actually stolen off the ultralight. These engines are very popular among the ultralights. I have not ever heard of one actually being used on an experimental aircraft. Sorry I don't have much info for you, however you should be able to find more through some of the ultralight web sites. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha, WI mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage --------------06A3FC0982BFB0454ADB81D5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carlton Blandford wrote:
 Howzit Chaps, Anyone know where I can find some info on the Cuyuna  2 stroke 4 cylinder engine.What are your views on this engine?...heard it is not so good Any info appreciated Thks Carlton BlandfordRSALooking for new engine


Carlton,

Cuyuna is basically designed for snowmobile use. Back in 1980-83 I had an ultralight which had one on it. It was a  great engine for a one man light weight flying machine. Mine was so popular it was actually stolen off the ultralight. These engines are very popular among the ultralights. I have not ever heard of one actually being used on an experimental aircraft. Sorry I don't have much info for you, however you should be able to find more through some of the ultralight web sites.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Waukesha, WI
mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com
http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage
  --------------06A3FC0982BFB0454ADB81D5-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Cuyuna Engine From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:19:57 EDT X-Message-Number: 24 In a message dated 10/14/99 3:26:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Genesis2@iafrica.com writes: << Anyone know where I can find some info on the Cuyuna 2 stroke 4 cylinder engine >> Bought one for an ultralight a couple of years ago. The one I bought was watered cooled so you ran into that extra weight issue. I had to give the guy a tax number and assure him I was putting in a snowmobile before he would sell it to me. I'll see if I can drum up some info, don't hold your breath but I'll see what I can do. The engine ran, and still runs fine. I know a couple of people have done some research on using a 2 stroke in a KR.............................guys, what are the upside/downside of this issue? Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gathering From: "Richard McCall" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:42:10 -0500 X-Message-Number: 25 BOB, I want a copy of the tape, as soon as its ready. Sorry I couldn't make the flyin. Rich McCall 2106 Modo Drive Harker Hts, TX 76548 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Vermeulen To: KR-net users group Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 5:08 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Gathering > > > ---------- > > From: * Flesner * > > To: KR-net users group > > Subject: [kr-net] Gathering > > Date: Monday, September 27, 1999 2:42 PM > > > > > > Fellow netters, > > > > Tripacer 2917P got me home without a hitch. I had a great time > > and enjoyed seeing the many friends I've made at the Gatherings > > over the years. ( I've made every one since 90 ). I'm looking > > forward to next year already !!!! > > > > Video Bob and Marty, how far did that bag of Snickers get you?!! > > > > Happy building............. > > > > Larry Flesner > > > > Oh, Oh, I think we were found out. Honestly, we'll get them back to you, > maybe next year. > Right now, even as I type, I'm looking at some of the footage that we shot. > I'ts great to be able to relive the weekend. I truly think that this is > the best KR Gathering I've seen. Absolutely awesome. I hope to have the > 99 Gathering video done a bit sooner this year. Like during October. I've > got the Ercoupe convention to finish up first but things are slowly getting > under control. Shucks, I just might get to work on the KR again soon. > Thanks again to all the pilots and builders who have helped make the KR > Videos possible and to all of you who have purchased videos over the years. > Just a reminder, get to the Gathering next year, it's too good to miss. > > Video Bob > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: planecraft@earthlink.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wing seam covers From: marmet Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:33:59 -0400 X-Message-Number: 26 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_B6L4vhUOTzMnS1gdEPcZDg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A good idea is to leave the first tape on the plane. Just cut the tape when its time to remove the wing. The second time around, put a new tape over the old one. Now this one will come off from the first layer. JC, Quebec, Canada Ed Janssen wrote: > Does anyone know what brand of tape the sailplane guys use? I've used > various white tapes on my KR-1 at times. They have worked just fine as gap > fillers (even on the wide ones), but they leave a nasty residue when they're > taken off. > > Ed Janssen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ross R. Youngblood > To: KR-net users group > Date: Thursday, October 14, 1999 12:41 AM > Subject: [kr-net] Re: wing seam covers > > >Mike, > > Don't use DUCT tape, it will leave a residue. I'd use Electrical tape. > Then > >plastic sheeting or mylar attached to the wing with Electrical tape. > >Actually this is one of those spur of the moment ideas, that gets posted to > >KR-net to see if anyone else thinks it's good before one trys it one-self. > >I will be watching the net on this, as I need to make wing gap seals > eventually > >too. At one point I was considering using tape (like sailplane pilots do) > as > >a permanent solution, but I'm not sure it will work for such a wide gap. > > > >-- Ross > > > >garbez wrote: > > > >> The gathering was great as always, this was my fourth year and the first > to > >> be able to bring my KR, it was on a trailer but next year I will fly, > can't > >> wait. Last week Jeff Scott from New Mexico came by for a visit. It was > >> really nice to have a KR buddy stop by and visit for a while, thanks > Jeff. > >> Any way since I have the wings off and it is at home i"m doing some > repairs > >> that needed soome attention. The bottom of the wing panels never dried > (bad > >> paint) so the company that sold me the paint gave me all the stuff to > >> repaint had to strip the paint off with thinner, which was NO FUN then > >> repainted the wings and also re-did the cowl and top deck. The cowling > was > >> cracking where the screws were, now there is no screws. The top deck and > >> cowling have piano hinges, looks great. O.K. now for my question; I > never > >> made anything to cover the wing seams and now is a good time. I'm going > to > >> use 3" fiberglass tape, but I don't know what I should use to cover the > wing > >> so the layup won't stick to the wing. I heard Bobby Muse talking about > it > >> to someone a couple of years ago at one of the gatherings, maybe he or > >> anyone else who knows can post it on the net so we will all know. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Mike Garbez N998MG > >> Griswold, IA > >> (712) 778-2449 > >> msgtlg@netins.net > >> > >> --- > >> You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > >--- > >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ejanssen@chipsnet.com > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: marmet2@videotron.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com --Boundary_(ID_B6L4vhUOTzMnS1gdEPcZDg) Content-type: text/x-vcard; name=marmet2.vcf; charset=us-ascii Content-description: Card for marmet Content-disposition: attachment; filename=marmet2.vcf Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:Marcoux;J. C. & Jocelyne x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:M & M adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:marmet2@videotron.ca fn:J.C. end:vcard --Boundary_(ID_B6L4vhUOTzMnS1gdEPcZDg)-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: 2000 gathering From: "garbez" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:47:08 -0500 X-Message-Number: 27 If I can get some help getting addresses for registered KR's and people that are building, maybe from Jeanette using serial numbers for plans sold, I will send a letter to each person (at my expense). This will be a good bit of work for a couple of people, but if we can get a good percentage coming to the 2000 gathering it would be worth its weight in gold. I could use help writing a nice letter too. One other thing just a suggestion, on Friday instead of the lunch-dinner being catered in, have a BIG BBQ. E-mail me direct if someone knows how to get these addresses. One thing the letter can say , other than where, when, why and activities planned, is if you know any KR's flying, building, or what ever that did not get this letter please pass on the news. P.S. for Dana, If we get 4 times the people coming is there enough lodging for all? Mike Garbez N998MG Griswold, IA (712) 778-2449 msgtlg@netins.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Clarification From: "Mark Langford" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:17:47 -0500 X-Message-Number: 28 Mike wrote: > You can go a little further back than that. The KR inherited the RAF 48 > from a English design of the 1950s from which it was copied. You can go back even further than that. I've heard that the Monoplane was heavily influenced by an 80 mph Italian homebuilt, designed in the 30's, which used....the RAF48!... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Cuyuna Engine From: "Bruce S. Campbell" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:42:14 -0400 X-Message-Number: 29 Dana, It doesn't snow in Tampa. What do I do! Bruce S. Campbell KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/14/99 3:26:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Genesis2@iafrica.com writes: > > << Anyone know where I can find some info on the Cuyuna 2 stroke 4 cylinder > engine >> > > Bought one for an ultralight a couple of years ago. The one I bought was > watered cooled so you ran into that extra weight issue. I had to give the > guy a tax number and assure him I was putting in a snowmobile before he would > sell it to me. I'll see if I can drum up some info, don't hold your breath > but I'll see what I can do. The engine ran, and still runs fine. > > I know a couple of people have done some research on using a 2 stroke in a > KR.............................guys, what are the upside/downside of this > issue? > > Dana Overall > 2000 KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: bmsi@ix.netcom.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: TLAR From: "Mark Langford" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:33:26 -0500 X-Message-Number: 30 William wrote: > I just read the suggestion to use Holmans book to learn. As I am > perhaps the only person on the Krnet who has built a Stallion and a Lancair > IV, I am in the unique position to say that this mans books are worthless to > people who wish to learn about aircraft design. As someone who had a lot of input into the Lionheart design phase, I can back this up. News travels fast in designer circles, and the word was not good... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Cuyuna Engine From: Steen8751A@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:45:55 EDT X-Message-Number: 31 Cuyuna was bought by 2Si in Miccosukee, FL at 850 668-8880 Doug Steen Winchester, VA steen8751a@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: How to setup a new mail server. From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:03:32 -0700 X-Message-Number: 32 Larry Shull wrote: > > > Linux comes with Apache server as part of it. It also has a router built > into it. Linux has a Cisco type router built into it? Although the prices quoted for the T1, DSU and Router are accurate I don't really think a dedicated T1 is needed for an email list. I have a cable modem here at the house and using Win98 internet sharing software all of the PCs in the house are connected. One of these could easily be a Linux, Apache unit or a NT server running IIS. My ISP bill is $39 a month for this connection with 4+ PCs connected at +T1 speeds. I don't know what the current speed rating is on the cable modems but I have downloaded games for my kids and hit 250+KB second. We are talking a 50 meg game in 4 to 5 minutes or less. This has to be more than enough HP for a mail server. Those that are interested in trying to set something up may want to email each other privately as not to annoy the "airplane only" people. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: make vertical stab off the plane? From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:06:25 -0700 X-Message-Number: 33 smithr wrote: > > Does anyone know of any problems with making a KR vertical stab and rudder > separate from the plane and installing it with the hstab at a later time or is > this a bad idea? >>> You could probably do it but the vertical stab is custom built to fit your boat. If you try to build it to fit later I doubt you would have much success. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Cuyuna Engine From: Mike Mims Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:10:23 -0700 X-Message-Number: 34 "Bruce S. Campbell" wrote: > > Dana, > > It doesn't snow in Tampa. What do I do! > > Bruce S. Campbell > Don't put a 2 stroke in your KR! I know of at least three airplanes that started life with the big 100 hp cuyuna engine up front and all three removed it. In the words of one guy it was a cantankerous, teeth rattling, ear drum busting gas hog. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Cuyuna Engine From: "Cleo Greenhaw" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:25:06 -0500 X-Message-Number: 35 Mike : have to give a amen to your letter about the cuyuna. Had one! TBO is terrible, support is worse. Cleo at cleo@fullnet.net -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mims To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, October 14, 1999 8:18 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Cuyuna Engine >"Bruce S. Campbell" wrote: >> >> Dana, >> >> It doesn't snow in Tampa. What do I do! >> >> Bruce S. Campbell >> > >Don't put a 2 stroke in your KR! I know of at least three airplanes >that started life with the big 100 hp cuyuna engine up front and all >three removed it. In the words of one guy it was a cantankerous, teeth >rattling, ear drum busting gas hog. > >-- >zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >Micheal Mims >Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( >http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ >http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ >http://members.home.com/mikemims/ >Aliso Viejo CA >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: cleo@fullnet.net >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: 2000 gathering From: "BillStarrs" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:45:56 -0700 X-Message-Number: 36 Mike, Thats very generous of you to be willing to pay for sending out all those invitations to the next gathering, perhaps some non profit group would let you use their bulk mailing. It certainly would come under the "educational" category. Bill Starrs, Prescott, AZ -----Original Message----- From: garbez To: KR-net users group Date: Thursday, October 14, 1999 5:23 PM Subject: [kr-net] RE: 2000 gathering >If I can get some help getting addresses for registered KR's and people that >are building, maybe from Jeanette using serial numbers for plans sold, I >will send a letter to each person (at my expense). This will be a good bit >of work for a couple of people, but if we can get a good percentage coming >to the 2000 gathering it would be worth its weight in gold. I could use >help writing a nice letter too. One other thing just a suggestion, on >Friday instead of the lunch-dinner being catered in, have a BIG BBQ. E-mail >me direct if someone knows how to get these addresses. One thing the letter >can say , other than where, when, why and activities planned, is if you know >any KR's flying, building, or what ever that did not get this letter please >pass on the news. > >P.S. for Dana, If we get 4 times the people coming is there enough lodging >for all? > >Mike Garbez N998MG >Griswold, IA >(712) 778-2449 >msgtlg@netins.net > > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: bstarrs@cybertrails.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: make vertical stab off the plane? From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:41:54 EDT X-Message-Number: 37 In a message dated 99-10-14 19:06:27 EDT, you write: << I would like to make the vstab/rudder now while the hstab/elev is fresh in my mind. >> I do not see any problems. Just make sure that the angle of the two posts are right. Haris mailto:hashraf@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: wing seam covers From: Bobby Muse Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:00:57 -0500 X-Message-Number: 38 At 06:51 PM 10/13/1999 -0500, you wrote: >The gathering was great as always, this was my fourth year and the first to >be able to bring my KR. I heard Bobby Muse talking about wing straps. >to someone a couple of years ago at one of the gatherings, maybe he or >anyone else who knows can post it on the net so we will all know. > >Thanks, >Mike Garbez N998MG OK, here we go. (This is what I did for my wing attach cover straps.) With the wings attached, place packing tape(I used clear) spanning the gap between the center wing and the outer wing. Place Blue masking tape along a line about 1" from the edge of the wing attach gap. Protect the upper and lower portion of the wing where you don't want epoxy. Lay up two layers of 6oz. cloth about 2" wider than the wing gap onto 4 MIL plastic long enought to go all the way around(top and bottom) the wing. Use the plastic/figerglass layup and wrap around the wing over the wing gap. Work out the air and peel away the plastic. After the layup has cured, remove the wing gap seal, trim along the ridge/edge that the Blue masking tape had formed. Sand(you know, Jim hates sanding) and paint as required. I use silicone to hold the wing gap seal on and one pop rivet on the top and one pop rivet on the bottom near the trailing edge to secure it. My wing gap seal has been there 5 years with no problems. I plan to remove the seal this winter to inspect the wing attach fittings. I hope this helps. Bobby Muse N122B - Wimberley, TX mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Grandson's First Flight From: Bobby Muse Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:18:39 -0500 X-Message-Number: 39 At 09:47 PM 10/13/1999 EDT, you wrote: > Today turned out to one of those days were all the hard is worth it. >Only had to work 1/2 day, so I took the wife and 3yr. old grandson to the >airport. I have been getting him used to the sights, sounds, and smells since >june. > . > Those of you who are building, stay at it. No amount of money can buy >these moments in time. If the good Lord took me tonight, I would go with a >smile on my face. > Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. > I know. Then you think about all of the joys of building and flying your own airplane, it's hard to quit smiling. Bobby Muse N122B - Wimberley, TX mailto:bmuse@mindspring.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Triaxial cloth and such From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 23:42:18 EDT X-Message-Number: 40 Haris, The fellow from sweden or whereever wanted to know the way to go and I suggested off net that he use the lightest weight biaxial cloth he could get. As you know, the wooden spars on the KR2 are supposed to take all the loads pretty much. I thought that the triaxial cloth would be an overkill plus extra weight for nothing. That is why I did not mention it. I also did not mention the unidirectional cloth because it is a pain in the butt to lay on at 45 degrees. I know from eze building. Remember that the original KR2 plans called for dynel fabric which is non structural at all and there are a lot of those wings still flying. In Mikes case with a heavier engine and maybe plane probably not bad insurance to use the triaxial but I wouldn't waste the weight on a regular KR2. Larry Howell laheze@aol.com KR2 rebuilder, almost flyer Rockwall, Tx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Purchasing plans From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:21:24 +0000 X-Message-Number: 41 Jerod, I would figure about 2000 hours should get you a KR2S. You get to figure how you spend the time. I have a freind who built a nice scratch built bi-plane in 18 months. I'm on to 10 years now, but with my job and family... I'm still doing pretty good to have kept with it this long. Now regarding your desires. The new airfoil might be neat. I don't know if you "really" need to stretch the KR2S beyond the plans much. Ask Jeff Scott, his seems to look and fly great, if he stretched his a bit, I would use that as a baseline. (I like his -2S). Regarding Fixed gear... you can get fixed gear for the -2, but I can't comment on what the plans say about this, my plans are retract only. Regarding making it a single seater... this is easy, just move the rudder pedals, and sit around the stick instead of beside it. -- Ross Jerod Moore wrote: > I've just moved to a new job, and after everything settles down, I'm > planning on buying a set of plans to study until I'm ready to build. I've > been lurking on this mailing list for a few months, but haven't found all > of the information that I'm looking for. If a few of you help me out with > my questions, I would appreciate it. > > What is the approximate time to build time for a plans-built KR2S? I know > it varies widely from person to person, but a rough estimate would be great. > > I want to change a few things from the original plans: > > 1. New airfoil/incidence (after it flies a few more times and I'm > comfortable with it). > 2. Make it a 1 person (like the "KR2-A Critical Design Analysis" artilce > suggests). > 3. Stretch it maybe a bit longer than the KR2S plans call for if others I > talk to feel it's helpful. > 4. Fixed gear. > > Is the KR2S the only plans to include fixed gear? > > Thanks in advance for your replies. I appreciate you all helping me sort > things out. > > Jerod Moore > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: First bill for '99 in From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:43:31 +0000 X-Message-Number: 42 Ok Larry... you pushed your KR-net admins hot button.... A domain name costs $100 for two years... its $50/yr at least that was what the rate was two years ago when I signed us up for one. The main reason I did this was so that the KR-net website could move and people could find kr-net. It turns out it would cost more if I wanted Teleport to change our posting address from kr-net@telelists.com to kr-net@krnet.org, and I didn't want to incurr the additonal charges. I decided that since people were paying for this now, I'd better be accountable, so the domain was set up so that if enough people got upset about the way I was doing things, I could give it away, and someone else could worry about it. At least everyone could find out where things moved by going to http://www.krnet.org as long as whomever picks up the service maintains the domain name, it doesn't matter where in the world the server is. We pay $99.50/yr for basic IP connection,this INCLUDES the LYRIS server, multiple T3 connections to the internet backbone, and 24 hour support from the Teleport staff. I don't have to lift a finger to keep an eye on this stuff. I get periodic bills for the additional disk storage beyond our quota. I don't worry about this because it's about $30 or so every few months, but this stores all our archive stuff and all the posts ever made to our KR-net since we moved from majordomo to Lyris. I have been working with SUN lately, and I can tell you that there is a BIG difference in the CPU that runs on a SUN Ultra server (what Teleport uses), and the Chipzilla Pentium clone Lyris server. Actually for the amount of traffic on KR-net, a simple Lynix macine would do just fine, but there would still be the router issue, but you can probably get a router for under $1000. My ISDN router was $700 a few years ago. Have you ever asked the phone company about getting a special line installed? Man, I've got an ISDN line and that was like pushing a dust bunny uphill to get installed. You should have heard the email traffic when Teleport was trying to get more T3 connections installed... I'm glad it was there problem. I don't suppose anyone on KR-net noticed those problems over the past two years... thats what we pay them for. A T1 line would be nice too... but $$$ but actually ISDN would probably keep up with KR-net traffic. At any rate... this is why contributions are voluntary, Teleport has made this cheap enough that with the checks I do recieve, I no longer subsize this out of my own pocket. All I do is spend time periodicly to keep an eye on things. If we had our own server it would require more time. I have thought about a "free" type web site, but didn't look very hard once I found that most the domain hosting sites wanted BIG $$$ to sign up. They figure if you are a domain owner you have deep pockets. Try $100 month just for starters. Of course now there are entire web hosting farm businesses in the Bay Area. But again, these companies have a low profit margin and buy cheap Lynix servers. Not to knock them, but you can go down for a real small bug, and take days to get back up again. Since Teleport uses Sun equipment, I know they have access to SUN support, and these folks nearly invented internet hosting. Suns slogan is "we put the dot in dot com." By the way, if you want free "office" like software similar to Microsoft Office, you can download the Star office package from Sun at http://www.sun.com They just bough Star Office, and are giving away the software for Windows/Microsoft and Lynix platforms. So, actually, now that I've calmed down, your idea is pretty neat, but I don't have the time. If someone else wanted to try setting somthing up, and later if it proved reliable... then the members could decide to switch... I'm just a caretaker here. -- Ross George Majewski wrote: > Larry wrote: > > > I'm feeling a little stupid again. Can someone try and explain to me why > >the KR-net doesn't own their own server? A domain name costs $70 for 2 > >years, a Linux box that will serve a mailing list can be built for a few > >hundred dollars. The people with the ability to set up and maintain it are > >definitely on this list. > > Larry Shull > > > > Larry there are additional costs and charges you forgot to mention: > > DSU + Router cost (good router may run you $3000) > also monthly charge for full T1 line is about $3000 a month > even if you go burstable T1 at the lowest speed of 128K it is still around > $1450 a month > chippest way to accomplish this task is to cohost it with some provider but > still it will be $90 a month > > I would live that decision to Ross. It looks like he knows what he is > doing. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Carbon fiber and galvanic corosion From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:47:34 +0000 X-Message-Number: 43 I have to be the first to admit, that logic doesn't always work. I mean, a metal airplane is a conductor, and there is no problem with hardware connected to a metal airplane? It might be more like a problem of dis-similar metals and corrosion, or the difference in elasticity of the carbon when impulse forces are appiled. Carbon might be real stiff compared to the items around it, creating a stress dis-continuity, from what I've picked up these past few years... these are not really good things to have in an airplane, failure typically occurs where ever there is some type of sharp change in force distribution. -- Ross Larry Shull wrote: > Why not just tell them that carbon is a conductor? Logic should lead to the > fact that it is not good around metal hardware. That should also tell them that > the antennas can't be put inside of a carbon fiber structure. The carbon fiber > absorbs the signal just like aluminum does. > Larry Shull > > Laheze@aol.com wrote: > > > Sorry but it is late and maybe I wasn' t clear . Do not bolt directly through > > carbon. > > Put a hardpoint of fiberglass or phonolic or hardwood at the point where you > > want > > to bolt through. Make the hard point bigger than the diameter of your bolt of > > course. > > Flox the hardpoint in and fiberglass over it onto your carbon fiber. > > There does that make sense ? > > > > Larry Howell > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: LarryShu@PacBell.net > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Alternate Server Technologies for KR-net From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:06:32 +0000 X-Message-Number: 44 Larry, Well... I see your point regarding shipping graphics around. The 40K limit is a bit arbitrary, but it seemed appropriate to keep it when we moved from majordomo to Lyris, as I was still downloading a lot of email at 28.8, and I used to get EVERYONES bounced email. Actually I think we can pretty much do what we want via Teleport, it's just that I don't want to do any more work... I spend all my time at work doing this stuff. Seems like you have not yet reached that point yet. There are three components as I see it to the service Teleport provides us that could be done via a Lynix box and an Apache server. 1) Web hosting of http://www.krnet.org 2) Unix Account for krnet@teleport.com 3) Lyris email list support for user krnet@teleport.com (one of 2 free lists available) Then, of course there are the small services like 24 hour technical support, and nationwide telephone access for me, since I travel a lot, and may need to check the stuff from a motel room someplace. We could do a LOT more with Lyris email than we have set up, there is a lot of info at the Lyris website, but basicly it is like night and day compared to majordomo. The difference is that majordomo is free, but Lyris is a commercial list server product that teleport purchased. It is possible to serve large user communities with majordomo but I know first hand that Lyris is easier to administrate. Teleport supports cgi side processing for our web hosts, and I think we could do a lot more with perl to link our website and our Lyris lists, but I don't have the time and energy to do this. As far as why I'm using a Caloway Corvett just to go to 7-11... this is the path of least resistance for me. I was a teleport member when I was asked if I could take over the previous majordomo list. At that time, it was just part of my personal ISP account, so in effect, I was subsidizing it and trying to sift hundreds of majordomo bounced emails out of the 30 or so emails I needed to get to each day. Once the donation idea came up, and I recieved a check, I decided to make krnet stand on its own, and it now is a seperate entity from my ISP account as far as Teleport is concerned. It was just the easiest way to solve the problem. Actually, eventually there will only be one or two big ISP providers in the USA, AT&T will probably be one of them, and they will be competing with AOL, and companies like Teleport will probably be squeezed out. This is unfortunate, cause it took several years for those lumbering giants to figure out that Web hosting was somthing people wanted... which is why I left AOL for Teleport, and second, none of them has figured out people like mail list service. If you can build a Lynix server in your home, and hook it up to the net, can't someone in Taiwan do this cheeper, and divide it up among multiple users? If however, the point is not to do it cheaper, but just to do it... then we have somthing, that is why we are building airplanes anyway. So, if setting up a lynix server just to do it, this is good put stuff on it, and we will link to it. If it is stable for a few months, we could move the list over... then it's no longer my concern... I'll just post flaming emails periodicly like I always do just to keep things interesting on the ol' net. -- Ross Larry Shull wrote: > George Majewski wrote: > > > Larry wrote: > > > > > I'm feeling a little stupid again. Can someone try and explain to me why > > >the KR-net doesn't own their own server? A domain name costs $70 for 2 > > >years, a Linux box that will serve a mailing list can be built for a few > > >hundred dollars. The people with the ability to set up and maintain it are > > >definitely on this list. > > > Larry Shull > > > > > > > Larry there are additional costs and charges you forgot to mention: > > > > DSU + Router cost (good router may run you $3000) > > Linux comes with Apache server as part of it. It also has a router built > into it. All you have to do is activate it. There is over a 50% chance that > your ISP uses Apache server for their machine. You can get it as a free > download. I know that is what AOL uses. I'm building a router for my home > system right now. I expect to have all of $400.00 in it when it is finished. I > saw a router at FRY's the other day for less than$300 > > > > > also monthly charge for full T1 line is about $3000 a month > > I'm on an ADSL line from pacbell it costs me $49.00 a month. There is no > need to have a blazing fast connection to send 50 E-mails a day to 450 people. > It can easily be done on a 56k phone line. > > > > > even if you go burstable T1 at the lowest speed of 128K it is still around > > $1450 a month > > chippest way to accomplish this task is to cohost it with some provider but > > still it will be $90 a month > > > > I would live that decision to Ross. It looks like he knows what he is > > doing. > > I'm not trying to cause problems, just wondering why so much HP is used to > get so little done? You seem able to get a wing designed and flying. But can't > send a picture of it to everyone with out being in trouble for it. I'm having > trouble understanding that. > My girlfrind sends out a newsletter with a lot of graphics on it 2 times a > week , it takes her all of 5 minutes to send it too 200 people at 56k. > I upload at 156k on my ADSL line and download at over 300k, that seems > more than sufficent to handle all of the traffic on this list. > Like I said, just courious, I have no doubt that Ross knows what he is > doing at all. It just looks to me like borrowing a Calloway Corevett just to > go to the 7/11 store and I was wondering why? > > By the way, this was sent to you using a LINUX machine. > Larry > > > > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: LarryShu@PacBell.net > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: First bill for '99 From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:09:39 +0000 X-Message-Number: 45 Hey, I'm fine on the $$$ situation so far, just wanted folks to know that. Ron Lee wrote: > > I'm not trying to cause problems, just wondering why so much HP is > used to > >get so little done? > > Larry > > Neat discussion. It might result in a better setup. When you decide > which way you are going Ross, be sure to provide your address and > check payee name (yours) so those slackards among us who should > help with costs can do it. > > Ron "Cheapskate" Lee > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Just a start, and two big lessons From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:09:06 +0000 X-Message-Number: 46 The pipe clamp idea works. My in-laws use large PCV pipe clamps to hold the table cloth on the outdoor patio table in Phoenix. This keeps the cloth on even during heavy dust storms. -- Ross Tom Raby GRE/ER PwrSysOp wrote: > Speaking of clamps. An article in S.A. or Experimenter showed clamps made > of thin sections of PVC pipe, plastic drain pipe. We used it for holding > gussets while gluing up the fuselage sides. They worked great. Just cut > slices off the pipe. Different diameter pipe and different thickness > slices, depending on what your gluing. Then just slit the sections you cut > or notch them depending on what you need to span. Can't find a cheaper > clamp. You can make dozens of them in minutes. We clamped all the gussets > on a side along with the verticals in one operation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: HAshraf@aol.com [mailto:HAshraf@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 8:30 PM > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Re: Just a start, and two big lessons > > In a message dated 99-10-10 23:28:12 EDT, you write: > > << Harris reminded me, and I glued it up and really > clamped her down tight. So I spent this after noon sanding T-88 off the > wood, and re-setting up the clamps, and this evening I glued her back up, > again, It's cooler and I resisted tighting the clamps so tight,next week > when I get back, we'll get started on the gussets >> > > You need to put gussetts before the clamps come off,. Also In hot weather > you > need to put one coat of epoxy wait two minutes and recoat. At 95-100 deg > epoxy get absorbed in the wood very easily anfd the resulting joint is dry. > > I alway glue some scrap wood also. I break it later in a vise to test the > integrety of the design. > > Also, the regular two inch clamps (Home Depot or Homebase type) apply too > much force. I use some cheap clamps I bought from the 'Toolman' at Sun 'n' > Fun. They are perfect fo gussett work. I have a picture of them on my web > site. > > Haris > > mailto:hashraf@aol.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: traby@grenergy.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: 2000 gathering From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:17:30 +0000 X-Message-Number: 47 Mike, If you could get this address list, we could keep track of it in Excel and keep it on the web. -- Ross garbez wrote: > If I can get some help getting addresses for registered KR's and people that > are building, maybe from Jeanette using serial numbers for plans sold, I > will send a letter to each person (at my expense). This will be a good bit > of work for a couple of people, but if we can get a good percentage coming > to the 2000 gathering it would be worth its weight in gold. I could use > help writing a nice letter too. One other thing just a suggestion, on > Friday instead of the lunch-dinner being catered in, have a BIG BBQ. E-mail > me direct if someone knows how to get these addresses. One thing the letter > can say , other than where, when, why and activities planned, is if you know > any KR's flying, building, or what ever that did not get this letter please > pass on the news. > > P.S. for Dana, If we get 4 times the people coming is there enough lodging > for all? > > Mike Garbez N998MG > Griswold, IA > (712) 778-2449 > msgtlg@netins.net > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Holman From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:19:39 +0000 X-Message-Number: 48 Stallion... was Holman the guy involved in the design for the plane that was to be built in 30 days? I knew it was the Stallion designer, but I don't know if the Stallion designer Holman. Mark Langford wrote: > William wrote: > > > I just read the suggestion to use Holmans book to learn. As I am > > perhaps the only person on the Krnet who has built a Stallion and a > Lancair > > IV, I am in the unique position to say that this mans books are worthless > to > > people who wish to learn about aircraft design. > > As someone who had a lot of input into the Lionheart design phase, I can > back this up. News travels fast in designer circles, and the word was not > good... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: How to setup a new mail server. From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:22:38 +0000 X-Message-Number: 49 $39/Month = $468YR Krnet bill = $99.50 YR (includes mail list) Disk Space = $100-130YR(archive storage) Optional for us Domain Host= $50 YR (Optional too) =========== $280 yr I'm thinking... whats the problem here... Teleport upgrades hardware and IP connections. Can we do this on $280 a year? Mike Mims wrote: > Larry Shull wrote: > > > > > > Linux comes with Apache server as part of it. It also has a router built > > into it. > > Linux has a Cisco type router built into it? Although the prices quoted > for the T1, DSU and Router are accurate I don't really think a dedicated > T1 is needed for an email list. I have a cable modem here at the house > and using Win98 internet sharing software all of the PCs in the house > are connected. One of these could easily be a Linux, Apache unit or a NT > server running IIS. My ISP bill is $39 a month for this connection with > 4+ PCs connected at +T1 speeds. I don't know what the current speed > rating is on the cable modems but I have downloaded games for my kids > and hit 250+KB second. We are talking a 50 meg game in 4 to 5 minutes or > less. This has to be more than enough HP for a mail server. Those that > are interested in trying to set something up may want to email each > other privately as not to annoy the "airplane only" people. > > -- > zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > Micheal Mims > Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( > http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ > http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/ > http://members.home.com/mikemims/ > Aliso Viejo CA > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Triaxial cloth and such From: "Stefan B." Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:25:49 +0200 X-Message-Number: 50 Yesterday I spoke to a guy building Cozy and he told me that we have to use enough cloth on the wings to prevent buffeting. The wing has to be enough stiff and when the flaps and/or the ailerons are fully deployed the wing has not to twist. I think that for the speeds achieved by a KR-2S one would need 2 layers of 5-6 oz. cloth or 1 layer of 10-11 oz.cloth. Stefan Balatchev, Paris, France Stefan.Balatchev@wanadoo.fr Laheze@aol.com wrote: > Haris, > > The fellow from sweden or whereever wanted to know the way to go and I > suggested > off net that he use the lightest weight biaxial cloth he could get. As you > know, the > wooden spars on the KR2 are supposed to take all the loads pretty much. I > thought > that the triaxial cloth would be an overkill plus extra weight for nothing. > That is why > I did not mention it. I also did not mention the unidirectional cloth because > it is a > pain in the butt to lay on at 45 degrees. I know from eze building. > Remember that the original KR2 plans called for dynel fabric which is non > structural > at all and there are a lot of those wings still flying. > In Mikes case with a heavier engine and maybe plane probably not bad insurance > to use the triaxial but I wouldn't waste the weight on a regular KR2. > > Larry Howell > laheze@aol.com > KR2 rebuilder, almost flyer > Rockwall, Tx > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: stefan.balatchev@wanadoo.fr > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com