From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 12:17 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: November 03, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Wednesday, November 03, 1999. 1. Re: west system 2. Re: west system 3. Re: EAA Commercialized???? 4. Quasi-Constant Speed Propeller (QCS) 5. Re: Engine change 6. Re: EAA Commercialized???? 7. Re: EAA Commercialized???? 8. Re: EAA Commercialized???? 9. Re: EAA Commercialized???? 10. 4 engine, plans built, quick build aircraft 11. Re: west system 12. Pushrod Control System drawings 13. Re: Pushrod Control System drawings 14. Re: Quasi-Constant Speed Propeller (QCS) 15. Re: 4 engine, plans built, quick build aircraft 16. Fwd: Spraying Flight Gloss 17. Re: EAA Commercialized???? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: west system From: Michael Taglieri Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:20:40 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1 >He recommended the west system to bond the wood together. I made several >test samples using the west system. On every one the wood failed before >the epoxy. Thus I used the west system throughout the wood part of the >airframe. I'm sure this was true, but the same thing would happen with almost any glue if the surfaces are prepared properly. Even Elmer's glue makes a bond that's stronger than spruce. I suspect T-88 is recommended for wood because it's thick enough to fill gaps and not run out, etc., rather than because its greater strength is important for softwood joints. You'd probably start noticing the differences in strength of various epoxies if you made your test pieces of hardwood, or of metal, for which I think T-88 is the standard choice. Mike Taglieri - miket_nyc@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: west system From: "John Baker" Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:49:33 -0700 X-Message-Number: 2 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01BF25BF.34360540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pardon my complete ignorance... what's the west system? could you advise? Tks! John Baker ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Weber=20 To: KR-net users group=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 7:01 PM Subject: [kr-net] west system Two years ago when I deceided to build a KR-2S I talked to an A&P who=20 specilized in rebuilding antique aircraft. He also built a Pietenpol. = He recommended the west system to bond the wood together. I made several test samples using the west system. On every one the wood failed = before the epoxy. Thus I used the west system throughout the wood part of the = airframe. Hope to have my KR-2S at the gathering next year at Lake Barkley, = however=20 that might be a bit optimistic. =20 =20 I would be interested in hosting the 2001 gathering at Platteville, = Wisconsin. The airport has two paved runways. camping on the field, and probably = some=20 open hanger space. There a least four motels in Platteville including a Best Western = and a=20 Super 8 Joe Weber molly@mhtc.net ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01BF25BF.34360540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pardon my complete ignorance... what's the west=20 system?
could you advise?
Tks!
John Baker
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe Weber =
To: KR-net users group
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, = 1999 7:01=20 PM
Subject: [kr-net] west = system

Two years ago when I deceided to = build a KR-2S=20 I talked to an A&P who
specilized in rebuilding antique = aircraft. He=20 also built a Pietenpol.  He
recommended the west system to = bond the wood=20 together. I made several
test samples using the west = system. On every=20 one the wood failed before
the epoxy. Thus I used the west = system=20 throughout the wood part of the airframe.
  Hope to have my KR-2S at = the gathering=20 next year at Lake Barkley, however 
that might be a bit = optimistic.
         =
 
I would be interested in hosting = the 2001=20 gathering at Platteville, Wisconsin.
The airport has two paved runways. = camping on=20 the field, and probably some 
open hanger space.
   There a least four = motels in=20 Platteville including a Best Western and a
Super 8
      Joe = Weber
  =20 molly@mhtc.net
------=_NextPart_000_0054_01BF25BF.34360540-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: EAA Commercialized???? From: Ron Lee Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 07:08:07 -0700 X-Message-Number: 3 >Corporate EAA is now concerned about commercialization and are >disassociating themselves with the word "experimental". Go to the EAA >web page (www.eaa.org) and notice the logo in the upper left corner: Now you know one reason why I have no affection for the EAA anymore. I just realized it a decade before you! Ron Lee ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Quasi-Constant Speed Propeller (QCS) From: "Capps Family" Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:22:42 -0600 X-Message-Number: 4 To All; Global Aircraft Corporation has designed, fabricated and is currently testing a flexible, quasi-constant speed, composite propeller for use on General Aviation and Experimental aircraft. The innovations of the QCS Propeller are its ability to flex (change pitch) predictably under operating loads, performing similarly to variable pitch achieved through modern propeller acoustic design. Increased performance and efficiency over fixed pitch propellers include 35% reduction in take-off distance, 40% increase in rate-of-climb, and 10% increase in cruise speed. The QCS Propeller retains the advantages of fixed pitch propeller, specifically, low cost, low weight, low maintenance, and simple operation with no requirement for engine pitch/speed control with no requirement for engine pitch/speed control. No other fixed-pitch propeller demonstrates comparable characteristics. The Global QCS Propeller is currently being developed for 160 to 210 horsepower engines. http://www.eagle.com/global/ Blue Skies; Larry Larry A. Capps cappsfan@ameritech.net Naperville, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine change From: "Richard Parker" Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 07:31:59 PST X-Message-Number: 5 That engine is prime for a KR. Thats what the Pulsar uses and in my opinion its just a 90's KR Rich Parker >From: "Steven Bounds" >Has anyone tried any other engines other than the VW, porshe, or corvair? I >have a nice low time Rotax 912s 90HP engine,(4-stroke, 4-cyl,electric >start, with gearbox) I would like to try in a KR2. I'm open to all advice >and opinions..... > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: richontheroad@hotmail.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: EAA Commercialized???? From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:56:30 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 6 Brother Ron, I too was a member of the EAA for one whole year back in the 80s, I decided it was not for me and bailed on them the following year. All I can say is I made the right choice because it is still "Not For Me". I did join the SAA last month though and feel that most of us here on the KRNet would feel more at home with Paul and his little club. --- Ron Lee wrote: > > >Corporate EAA is now concerned about > commercialization and are > >disassociating themselves with the word > "experimental". Go to the EAA > >web page (www.eaa.org) and notice the logo in the > upper left corner: > > Now you know one reason why I have no affection for > the EAA anymore. > I just realized it a decade before you! > > Ron Lee > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: > kr2sflyer@yahoo.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: EAA Commercialized???? From: "Stefan B." Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 17:26:54 +0100 X-Message-Number: 7 --------------D6A077559B7C4E79E58A7F4F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could one subscribe to "Sport Aviation" magazine without being EAA member? Stefan Balatchev, France mail me --------------D6A077559B7C4E79E58A7F4F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could one subscribe to "Sport Aviation" magazine without being EAA member?

Stefan Balatchev,
France
mail me
 
  --------------D6A077559B7C4E79E58A7F4F-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: EAA Commercialized???? From: David Moore Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:59:11 -0800 X-Message-Number: 8 At 07:56 AM 11/3/99 -0800, you wrote: >Brother Ron, I too was a member of the EAA for one >whole year back in the 80s, I decided it was not for >me and bailed on them the following year. All I can >say is I made the right choice because it is still >"Not For Me". I did join the SAA last month though and >feel that most of us here on the KRNet would feel more >at home with Paul and his little club. KRnetters, Mike is right about SAA, You might want to check out their web site http://www.sportaviation.org, They have listed the KR Gathering as a link from their web page. It doesn't cost anything to join SAA, Paul P. is trying to see if the grass roots of aviation is still alive. Or if Sport Aviation has gone the way of the fast build kit. Dave Moore David G. Moore mailto:dgmoore1@gte.net Henderson, Nevada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: EAA Commercialized???? From: Donald Reid Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 14:05:06 -0500 X-Message-Number: 9 Stefan B. wrote: > > Could one subscribe to "Sport Aviation" magazine without being EAA > member? You need to belong to EAA to get the magazine. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: 4 engine, plans built, quick build aircraft From: "Richard Parker" Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:45:34 PST X-Message-Number: 10 Heres something for those days that its too cold to work on your airplane. a 4 engine, plans built, quick build aircraft http://www.email.net/work-well-together.html Rich Parker ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: west system From: "Joe Weber" Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:35:04 -0600 X-Message-Number: 11 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BF2611.000CC680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John The West System is an epoxy that can be used for gluing wood or = laying up fiberglass. For more information on the West=20 System write Gougeon Brothers inc. P.O. Box 908, Bay City, MI. 48707 or call them at 517-684-7286. -----Original Message----- From: John Baker To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 6:51 AM Subject: [kr-net] Re: west system =20 =20 Pardon my complete ignorance... what's the west system? could you advise? Tks! John Baker ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Weber=20 To: KR-net users group=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 7:01 PM Subject: [kr-net] west system =20 =20 Two years ago when I deceided to build a KR-2S I talked to an = A&P who=20 specilized in rebuilding antique aircraft. He also built a = Pietenpol. He recommended the west system to bond the wood together. I made = several test samples using the west system. On every one the wood failed = before the epoxy. Thus I used the west system throughout the wood part = of the airframe. Hope to have my KR-2S at the gathering next year at Lake = Barkley, however=20 that might be a bit optimistic. =20 =20 I would be interested in hosting the 2001 gathering at = Platteville, Wisconsin. The airport has two paved runways. camping on the field, and = probably some=20 open hanger space. There a least four motels in Platteville including a Best = Western and a=20 Super 8 Joe Weber molly@mhtc.net ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BF2611.000CC680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi John
    The West=20 System is an epoxy that can be used for gluing wood or laying up=20 fiberglass.
   For more information on the West =
System=20 write  Gougeon Brothers inc. P.O. Box 908, Bay City, MI. = 48707
or call them at 517-684-7286.
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 John Baker <bookman2020@earthlink.net&g= t;
To:=20 KR-net users group <kr-net@telelists.com>
D= ate:=20 Wednesday, November 03, 1999 6:51 AM
Subject: [kr-net] = Re:=20 west system

Pardon my complete ignorance... what's the west=20 system?
could you advise?
Tks!
John Baker
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Joe = Weber=20
To: KR-net=20 users group
Sent: Tuesday, November = 02, 1999=20 7:01 PM
Subject: [kr-net] west = system

Two years ago when I = deceided to build a=20 KR-2S I talked to an A&P who
specilized in rebuilding = antique=20 aircraft. He also built a Pietenpol.  He
recommended the west system = to bond the=20 wood together. I made several
test samples using the west = system. On=20 every one the wood failed before
the epoxy. Thus I used the = west system=20 throughout the wood part of the airframe.
  Hope to have my KR-2S = at the=20 gathering next year at Lake Barkley, however 
that might be a bit=20 optimistic.
         =
 
I would be interested in = hosting the=20 2001 gathering at Platteville, Wisconsin.
The airport has two paved = runways.=20 camping on the field, and probably some 
open hanger = space.
   There a least = four motels=20 in Platteville including a Best Western and a
Super 8
      Joe=20 Weber
  =20 molly@mhtc.net
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BF2611.000CC680-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Pushrod Control System drawings From: Kimball Anderson Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 16:37:03 -0500 X-Message-Number: 12 Hi, all. Don Clarke's pushrod control system drawings are now up on the FAQ under Chapter 5. http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking Kimball Anderson isleno@hargray.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Pushrod Control System drawings From: DClarke351@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:54:49 EST X-Message-Number: 13 In a message dated 11/3/99 4:54:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, isleno@hargray.com writes: << isleno@hargray.com >> I would like to thatnk youfor doing that. I just hope they will be of some benifit to someone. Don Clarke ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Quasi-Constant Speed Propeller (QCS) From: "J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd." Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:48:05 -0600 X-Message-Number: 14 -----Original Message----- From: Capps Family To: KR-net users group Cc: Squirrel Net Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 8:21 AM Subject: [kr-net] Quasi-Constant Speed Propeller (QCS) >To All; > >Global Aircraft Corporation has designed, fabricated and is currently >testing a flexible, quasi-constant speed, composite propeller for use on >General Aviation and Experimental aircraft. >The innovations of the QCS Propeller are its ability to flex (change pitch) >predictably under operating loads, performing similarly to variable pitch >achieved through modern propeller acoustic design. Increased performance and >efficiency over fixed pitch propellers include 35% reduction in take-off >distance, 40% increase in rate-of-climb, and 10% increase in cruise speed. >The QCS Propeller retains the advantages of fixed pitch propeller, >specifically, low cost, low weight, low maintenance, and simple operation >with no requirement for engine pitch/speed control with no requirement for >engine pitch/speed control. No other fixed-pitch propeller demonstrates >comparable characteristics. >Blue Skies; > >Larry > >Larry A. Capps >cappsfan@ameritech.net >Naperville, IL > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jrlkc@mindspring.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > Larry, I have a "Almost Constant Speed" Propeller which is said to do the same thing. I don't know if it will because it has not flown yet. The props are expensive relative to other wood props and it has many laminates about 1/8" each. Each laminate is stress oriented to flex with RPM. Sounds good anyway. Don't know but I will find out. I am glad some other people experimenting with this idea. KRRon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: 4 engine, plans built, quick build aircraft From: "Austin Clark" Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:10:12 -0600 X-Message-Number: 15 One question RIchard; Will West Systems sufffice or should one use T-88? :) Austin Clark -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 2:46 PM Subject: [kr-net] 4 engine, plans built, quick build aircraft >Heres something for those days that its too cold to work on your airplane. a >4 engine, plans built, quick build aircraft > >http://www.email.net/work-well-together.html > >Rich Parker > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: itac@datasync.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fwd: Spraying Flight Gloss From: EagleGator@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:16:18 EST X-Message-Number: 16 --part1_0.6613332a.25524672_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Those of you using the Poly Fiber system to finish your airplane will find this interesting. Anyone with experience spraying Flight Gloss, please chime in! In a message dated 11/3/99 5:48:05 PM Central Standard Time, info@polyfiber.com writes: > Mr. Junkin, > > We find that a conventional suction gun (old standby like the Binks or > Devilbiss running off a compressor) works best. An HVLP does not atomize > as well as the old suction guns, and we find that it leaves too much orange > peel. If you must use an HVLP, use a 1.0mm nozzle. > > Thanks > Jon Goldenbaum > Poly Fiber, Inc. > 1-800-362-3490 > Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO KR-2S N415RJ, "The Phantom Eagle", 40% complete http://members.aol.com/eaglegator --part1_0.6613332a.25524672_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (rly-yg05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.5]) by air-yg02.mail.aol.com (v62.15) with ESMTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 18:48:04 -0500 Received: from magnolia.pe.net (magnolia.pe.net [216.100.16.35]) by rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (v62.10) with ESMTP; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 18:48:00 1900 Received: from c2p016.riv.pe.net (c2p016.riv.pe.net [216.100.24.116]) by magnolia.pe.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA02447 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:47:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911032347.PAA02447@magnolia.pe.net> X-Sender: pf01@pop.valueweb.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 15:51:33 -0800 To: EagleGator@aol.com From: Jon Goldenbaum Subject: Re: Spraying Flight Gloss In-Reply-To: <0.2f3fe5d3.25520c38@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 05:07 PM 11/3/99 -0500, you wrote: >I need to buy a spray gun. What size nozzle orafice will work for Flight >Gloss? The gun I'm considering is an HVLP gun with a 1.4mm nozzle. Will that >work? > >Regards, >Rick Junkin >EagleGator@aol.com Mr. Junkin, We find that a conventional suction gun (old standby like the Binks or Devilbiss running off a compressor) works best. An HVLP does not atomize as well as the old suction guns, and we find that it leaves too much orange peel. If you must use an HVLP, use a 1.0mm nozzle. Thanks Jon Goldenbaum Poly Fiber, Inc. 1-800-362-3490 --part1_0.6613332a.25524672_boundary-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: EAA Commercialized???? From: Michael Taglieri Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 01:53:25 -0500 X-Message-Number: 17 I've been a member for some years, but I don't plan to renew when it comes up in December. I really like "Experimenter," but "Sport Aviation" is a snooze, and the nepotism in the EAA leadership is very irritating. I've also wondered why they NEED a magazine like "Experimenter," full of homebuilding tips, when they could put them in "Sport Aviation" itself. If they're trying to distance themselves from experimental aviation, that explains it. Mike Taglieri On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:56:30 -0800 (PST) Mike Mims writes: >Brother Ron, I too was a member of the EAA for one >whole year back in the 80s, I decided it was not for >me and bailed on them the following year. All I can >say is I made the right choice because it is still >"Not For Me". I did join the SAA last month though and >feel that most of us here on the KRNet would feel more >at home with Paul and his little club. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com