From: KR-net users group digest[SMTP:kr-net@telelists.com] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 12:18 AM To: kr-net digest recipients Subject: kr-net digest: November 07, 1999 KR-net users group Digest for Sunday, November 07, 1999. 1. Re: Engine& Instruments 2. Re: RevMaster Carb Diameter 3. for sale 4. Re: Engine& Instruments 5. Re: Cost of a KR2 6. Re: Cost of a KR2 7. Re: To hard to use? 8. Re: Auto Fuel Filter 9. KR-net award 10. Recreational in EAA 11. Painting A KR2 12. Peel Ply and SmoothPrime 13. Re: Painting A KR2 14. Painting with spray cans? 15. Re: Painting with spray cans? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine& Instruments From: "The Stones" Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 08:58:57 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1 From: Mike Mims >Well you have to admit that your case is WAY out of >the ordinary. snip >--- Steven Vitrella wrote: >> I beg to differ, Mike. snippage It can be done! >> Steve You're both correct. It's all in the averages. What type of builder are you. Are you the patient type to take the time to scrounge around for the needed bits and pieces? This way you can build cheaper, but usually longer. Or you can purchase the needed things up front from the vendors, more expensive, but usually quicker. Then you have a builders skill level to factor in. Are you a down home whiz bang cobbler extrordinaire, or are you learning a bunch of new skills with each phase in the building of your project. There's a ton of variables in the field of building our toys. Of all the approaches available for building, the closed minded expert intent on building their way with no regard for quality, safety, or anyone around them is the only one I find I disagree with. And yes, this person can be found throughout the builder type spectrum. Tim S. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: RevMaster Carb Diameter From: "Ken Jordan" Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 7:9:22 X-Message-Number: 2 Thanks, Mike. Not too concerned about it. RevMaster said they'd send just what I need for the 2110cc. They build them, so I figure they know which Supercarb works best on the bored/stroker. The needle is a squared taper type. I have not disassembled it! Thanks for all the good info everyone!-) (Except for the virus) Ken ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: for sale From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:04:44 -0500 X-Message-Number: 3 W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: w.g. kirkland > To: kr-net > Subject: > Date: Friday, November 05, 1999 5:33 PM > > For sale cheap. numerous small triangular blocks left over from fuselage > construction. Angles slightly off or reversed. It must be friday:) > W.G. KIRKLAND > kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Engine& Instruments From: "Steven Vitrella" Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 10:16:09 PST X-Message-Number: 4 Yes, mine is a little on the low side, but no one HAS to spend anywhere near 10K if they don't want to. If you want brand new tools, insturments, a new engine, and bells and whistles like electronic trim, elect. fuel guages, huge inst. panel, nav lights etc.--than yes, you will spend more than 10K. But if a builder wants to fly a great looking, well built, eyecatching KR, they don't have to spend any more money than they are willing to. The keys are: Don't be in a hurry Talk to others Don't limit yourself Search, search, search Steve Gainesville, FL P.S. No, my KR is still in the process. Thanks, BTW, to Tom Crawford for mentoring and helping me with my KR so far; Not only has he let me share his hanger with him, he's been a GREAT help with ideas, suggestions, and building help! > >Well you have to admit that your case is WAY out of >the ordinary. I still say a person needs to realize >that they will spend close to $10k by the time they >are done. Is your plane finished and flying? > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Cost of a KR2 From: "BillStarrs" Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:05:47 -0700 X-Message-Number: 5 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF29F2.5AD69520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mrs. That was a funny letter. We went to church and now we are = going to Yarnell (a little town near here in the mountains). The wind = is blowing but it is nice. Daddy showed me this paper in the Sunday = bulletin where you can get tests for osteoporosis and plaque in your = arteries and two other things ( you get them in the church- your doctor = can't prescribe them unless you have symptoms) anyhow it is $120 and I = always underlined say no I don't want to do things like that but I = decided I would. What a long dumb sentence. You have funny children. = How is Billy? Say hello to everyone and give everyone kisses. Love, Ma -----Original Message----- From: Wolf Packs, Inc. To: KR-net users group Date: Saturday, November 06, 1999 11:21 PM Subject: [kr-net] Cost of a KR2 =20 =20 I took over a KR2 project thinking it was a real steal. It was, but = it needed lots of hours (400?) and money to make it the way I want it. = Taking over a project you assume the risk of not really knowing how well = the parts were built. Test them well. I have just over $7,000 (and = two+ years) invested in mine with only the finish paint left to do. = It's not as fast or gorgeous as I'd like (yet) but it makes me smile = every time I fly it. 49 hours on the meter and climbing. =20 =20 If there are builders our there who =20 think they are gonna build a plane for less than $10k you may as well quit now because you are in for a big disappointment! > =20 =20 Paul Martin Ashland, OR www.wolfpacks.com/KR=20 mailto:paul@wolfpacks.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF29F2.5AD69520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Mrs. That was a funny = letter.  We=20 went to church and now we are going to Yarnell (a little town near here = in the=20 mountains).  The wind is blowing but it is nice.  Daddy showed = me this=20 paper in the Sunday bulletin where you can get tests for osteoporosis = and plaque=20 in your arteries and two other things ( you get them in the church- your = doctor=20 can't prescribe them unless you have symptoms) anyhow it is $120 and I = always=20 underlined say no I don't want to do things like that but I decided I=20 would.  What a long dumb sentence.  You have funny = children.  How=20 is Billy?  Say hello to everyone and give everyone kisses. Love,=20 Ma
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Wolf Packs, Inc. <paul@wolfpacks.com>
To:=20 KR-net users group <kr-net@telelists.com>
D= ate:=20 Saturday, November 06, 1999 11:21 PM
Subject: [kr-net] = Cost of=20 a KR2

I took over = a KR2=20 project thinking it was a real steal.  It was, but it needed = lots of=20 hours (400?) and money to make it the way I want it.  Taking = over a=20 project you assume the risk of not really knowing how well = the parts=20 were built.  Test them well.  I have just over $7,000 (and = two+=20 years) invested in mine with only the finish paint left to do.  = It's=20 not as fast or gorgeous as I'd like (yet) but it makes me smile = every time I=20 fly it.  49 hours on the meter and climbing.   =20

If there are builders our there who
think they are gonna build a plane = for less=20 than $10k
you may as well quit now because you are in for a=20 big
disappointment! >


Paul = Martin
Ashland,=20 OR
www.wolfpacks.com/KR
mailto:paul@wolfpacks.com
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF29F2.5AD69520-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Cost of a KR2 From: "BillStarrs" Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:23:08 -0700 X-Message-Number: 6 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF29F4.C7A68000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OOPS! My wife clicked the wrong "Reply To" sorry about that guys. Bill -----Original Message----- From: BillStarrs To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, November 07, 1999 12:58 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Cost of a KR2 =20 =20 Hello Mrs. That was a funny letter. We went to church and now we = are going to Yarnell (a little town near here in the mountains). The = wind is blowing but it is nice. Daddy showed me this paper in the = Sunday bulletin where you can get tests for osteoporosis and plaque in = your arteries and two other things ( you get them in the church- your = doctor can't prescribe them unless you have symptoms) anyhow it is $120 = and I always underlined say no I don't want to do things like that but I = decided I would. What a long dumb sentence. You have funny children. = How is Billy? Say hello to everyone and give everyone kisses. Love, Ma -----Original Message----- From: Wolf Packs, Inc. To: KR-net users group Date: Saturday, November 06, 1999 11:21 PM Subject: [kr-net] Cost of a KR2 =20 =20 I took over a KR2 project thinking it was a real steal. It was, = but it needed lots of hours (400?) and money to make it the way I want = it. Taking over a project you assume the risk of not really knowing how = well the parts were built. Test them well. I have just over $7,000 = (and two+ years) invested in mine with only the finish paint left to do. = It's not as fast or gorgeous as I'd like (yet) but it makes me smile = every time I fly it. 49 hours on the meter and climbing. =20 =20 If there are builders our there who =20 think they are gonna build a plane for less than $10k you may as well quit now because you are in for a big disappointment! > =20 =20 Paul Martin Ashland, OR www.wolfpacks.com/KR=20 mailto:paul@wolfpacks.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF29F4.C7A68000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OOPS! My wife clicked the wrong "Reply = To"=20 sorry about that guys. Bill
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 BillStarrs <bstarrs@cybertrails.com>To:=20 KR-net users group <kr-net@telelists.com>
D= ate:=20 Sunday, November 07, 1999 12:58 PM
Subject: [kr-net] = Re: Cost=20 of a KR2

Hello Mrs. That was a funny = letter.  We=20 went to church and now we are going to Yarnell (a little town near = here in=20 the mountains).  The wind is blowing but it is nice.  = Daddy showed=20 me this paper in the Sunday bulletin where you can get tests for=20 osteoporosis and plaque in your arteries and two other things ( you = get them=20 in the church- your doctor can't prescribe them unless you have = symptoms)=20 anyhow it is $120 and I always underlined say no I don't want to do = things=20 like that but I decided I would.  What a long dumb = sentence.  You=20 have funny children.  How is Billy?  Say hello to everyone = and=20 give everyone kisses. Love, Ma
-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Wolf Packs, Inc. <paul@wolfpacks.com>
To:=20 KR-net users group <kr-net@telelists.com>
D= ate:=20 Saturday, November 06, 1999 11:21 PM
Subject: = [kr-net]=20 Cost of a KR2

I took over=20 a KR2 project thinking it was a real steal.  It was, but it = needed=20 lots of hours (400?) and money to make it the way I want = it. =20 Taking over a project you assume the risk of not really = knowing=20 how well the parts were built.  Test them well.  I = have just=20 over $7,000 (and two+ years) invested in mine with only the = finish paint=20 left to do.  It's not as fast or gorgeous as I'd like (yet) = but it=20 makes me smile every time I fly it.  49 hours on the meter = and=20 climbing.   

If there are builders our = there=20 who
think they are gonna build a = plane for=20 less than $10k
you may as well quit now because you are = in for a=20 big
disappointment! >


Paul = Martin
Ashland,=20 OR
www.wolfpacks.com/KR
mailto:paul@wolfpacks.com=20
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BF29F4.C7A68000-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: To hard to use? From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 15:45:20 +0000 X-Message-Number: 7 Mike, Send me the response you got from KR-net on the bounced emails and I will check it out. There could be a problem with KR-net. I think we restircted the posting to 4 posts per day down from 10 per day, and a maximum of 100 per day total from all members (the total hadn't changed). I think 4/day is a bit extreme, so I could increase it back to say 6-10. The goal was to catch the "me-too" posters. There is also a restriction on the length of quoted lines. If your bounced message didn't refer to too many lines or too many posts/day we have some other problem going on. I did post before making these changes that I was going to do them. It was in response to the large amount of WHINING I was having to sift through before moving down to Arizona. -- Ross Mike Mims wrote: > I guess yesterday I got a little frustrated at the KR > net but before you go and say "aww, poor baby" check > this out. I had just spent no less than 30 minutes > reading email from the KRNet and then another 30 > responding to several post. Well just as I was > responding to the last post for the day all my > messages started getting kicked back! OK, so I had > just spent an hour dealing with the KRNet only to have > my replies sent back because they were too long or > what ever. If there is new criteria that post must > meet so that it may be allowed on the list someone > please post it. I know a lot of us have complained in > the past about KRNet sometimes being a waste of time > and I just felt that yesterday it was a COMPLETE waste > of time. Thank You. > > BTW We all know that T-88, with its thicker > consistency is a better glue for high vibration > applications like that found in a airplane than West > Systems. :o) Oh yeah and thanks for the reply on the > Revflow Peter. > > ===== > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Auto Fuel Filter From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 15:54:58 +0000 X-Message-Number: 8 Aircraft Spruce sells a auto fuel filter for about $15.00 that you can use if you fill your KR from 5 gallon fuel tanks and want to keep the sludge (and water I think) out. -- Ross Laheze@aol.com wrote: > There have been plastic and metal factory built airplanes burnt to the ground > when > fueling with plastic jugs, and some cases of same while using regular gas pump > while not grounded. > Always ground your plane while fueling and this may help prevent an accident. > I have on many occasions used a filter while fueling at a pump ( trying to > keep > out water and debris ) depending on the airport. > Always use a filter while pouring in from cans, or plastic jugs from a > filling station, > this practice may help keep your engine running. > > Pour Safely and Fly Safely > > Larry Howell laheze@aol.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: rossy@teleport.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR-net award From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 16:00:25 +0000 X-Message-Number: 9 Dr Dean & All KR-netters! I recieved the nifty KR-net Special Recognition award plaque last week one day after moving into our apartment. It's mounted on the wall just to the right of my monitor. Thanks Everyone! -- Ross ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Recreational in EAA From: Mark Jones Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 20:34:39 -0600 X-Message-Number: 10 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BC3154073E12A17187C0E1D2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Netters, Thought you would like to see EAA's response to my e-mail to them concerning the Recreational Aviation Term they are now using. --------------BC3154073E12A17187C0E1D2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from a.mx.execpc.com (a.mx.execpc.com [169.207.1.102]) by core0.mx.execpc.com (8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22544 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:54:09 -0600 (CST) Return-Path: Received: from exchange.eaa.org (exchange.eaa.org [216.47.228.162]) by a.mx.execpc.com (8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01950 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:54:49 -0600 (CST) Received: by EXCHANGE_HQ with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:50:40 -0600 Message-ID: <9CF55E217D0AD311A55B0008C79FD3753BAE1E@EXCHANGE_HQ> From: Steve Brown To: "'flykr2s@execpc.com'" Subject: FW: Feedback Form Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:50:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Dear Mark, Thanks for writing. We appreciate your comments. EAA is not pushing the Experimental groups aside at all. That is the basis and core of our membership. Actually, we have increased the focus on the Experimental constituency with our formation of the Homebuilders Council this year. AirVenture was extremely focused on the different Experimental groups with in EAA. We are also making a huge investment over the next 3 years on the Forums and Workshops which are aimed at the Homebuilder and Restorer. Recreational Aviation is a term which helps to accurately describe the vast diversity of EAA members you see at AirVenture. Their interests are broad and include building, restoring, flying or just looking at airplanes...but the tie that binds is that we gather for the love, joy and fun of aviation. Ergo Recreational Aviation. So as we focus even more resources on all of our core groups within the Experimental movement, Recreational Aviation is a description of who we all are, and why we do what we do. EAA will never change to RAA. Thanks for your membership and keep the feedback coming. Sincerely, Stephan Brown Sr. VP, Marketing EAA -----Original Message----- From: Rene Myers Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 8:22 AM To: Steve Brown Subject: FW: Feedback Form -----Original Message----- From: flykr2s@execpc.com [mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 8:07 AM To: webmaster@eaa.org Subject: Feedback Form Name: Mark Jones Comments: Hi, I am EAA number 559163. In viewing your new site, I noticed the term experimental no longer is being used, as it has been replaced with the term recreational. What a mistake! It is orginazations such as EAA which keep the EXPERIMENTAL world of aviation alive. EAA is losing sight of this quickly as you are becoming more commercialized with each passing day. EAA needs to get back to the grass roots of aviation and focus on what developed EAA, the experimental aircraft. Are we also going to be notified that EAA's name has changed to RAA to include the term Recreational Aircraft Association? I sure hope EAA does not continue to push the experimental group aside as it has been doing for the past several years. Just look at Air Venture, it is just about as commercialized as you can get. I hope positive change is in the future for EAA. Sincerely, Mark S. Jones EAA #559163 mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com HTTP_USER_AGENT = Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; I) REMOTE_ADDR = 169.207.71.147 --------------BC3154073E12A17187C0E1D2-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Painting A KR2 From: GARYKR2@cs.com Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:46:16 EST X-Message-Number: 11 In response to the number of off net inquiries I received last week about my using RUST-OLEUM spray to paint my "2," I thought it best and easier to throw this out to everybody. The #1 question was: How do I get a smooth finish with a spray can? Answer: Spraying with a spray can is no different than with a gun. You have to watch the fan pattern,amount of over lap, and the amount of material you are applying. As long as the spray hole stays clear, the fan width will remain the same. The amount of over lap should be 1/3 to 1/2 the width of each pass. When using a spray can, the amount of paint coming out can't be controlled. So the speed at which you move back and forth is important. Fast enough to prevent a run or sag, but slow enough to prevent "orange peal" or "anti-skid" effect. It all comes with practice. The paint job on the elevator on my plane was rushed and was too dry. I left it there to show how it looks when done wrong. No one has noticed it until I point it out. The normal steps were used to prep the surface prior to painting. Bondo to fill the worst of the low spots( I know ,weight ). Then a product called Nitro-Stan. This is a spot and glazing putty. I use the red #9001, made by Standard Coating Corp, in Ridgefield,New Jersey 07657. I started using this in the mid '60s and love it. Goes on easy, dries fast, sands easy. It's not cheap, and can only be had thru auto body supply houses. If you can't get it in your neck of the woods and want a tube or two, let me know and I'll help you out. I can buy all I want. Next is RUST-OLEUM AUTO PRIMER, #2081. It's light gray,and the same stuff used on cars. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BLACK. The gray or red will stop the light the same as black. How many fabric covered airplanes have you seen undercoated with black to stop the UVs from killing the fibers? I have only ever seen silver used. Setup a test piece of glass, spray it and hold it up to the sun. It may take a couple coats to get there. I have some places where I used black, and that's where the color coat always peels. Next, is the color. I used RUST-OLEUM PROFESSIONAL HIGH PERFORMANCE ENAMEL. Product number: 7592 for the white, 7579 for the gloss black. This stuff dries to the touch in 15 to 20 minutes, can be handled in 1 to 2 hours. The orange trim color is PLASTI-KOTE fast dry engine enamel, #200. This sets up in about an hour. You may think I'm bats, but this system works great for me. I have painted autos and airplanes for many years, using high priced paint, with very little difference in looks, but a big difference in price. How about less than $50 for fuselage and wing stubs( outer wing panels were done with auto paint). My dad was a body and paint man for lots of years (one of the best in our area) and he can't believe the results I'm able to get. I never did tell him I did my Cessna 175 with rust-oleum, he would have wacked me upside my head for being so cheap. And I never will tell him. If you want to know more, e-mail me your phone number, and I'll give you a call. Gee, maybe I'll think about doing something for the gathering if I can make it. Thanks for your time. I'm a slow typer(2 fingers) and this is the most I've ever done at one sitting. Now all those that want to shoot holes in this method of mine, have at it. I spent far less money, had way less over spray dust than you will or did, and have just as nice a finish as you. So put that on your eggs and bacon and eat it. Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Peel Ply and SmoothPrime From: Mike Mims Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:33:17 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 12 Folks I just got home from adding the second coat of smoothprime to the aft end of my airplane and wanted to share this bit of info. I know time and time again people on the list have advised other builders to use peel ply over ALL LAYUPS and after applying smooth prime today I noticed something that sure reinforces this idea. The areas on my plane where peel ply was used end up completely filled with only two coats of smooth prime! The other areas where I had to add filler or needed to fill the glass weave are gonna need all six coats (recommended by PolyFiber). If I would have used peel ply over all my lay-ups, I would have saved big $$$ and lots of time. So head out to your local fabric store and buy yourself a roll of heavy duty dacron. Use it over your lay-ups and save time and money in the long run. ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Painting A KR2 From: Krwr1@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:39:05 EST X-Message-Number: 13 In a message dated 11/07/1999 9:47:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, GARYKR2@cs.com writes: << out. The normal steps were used to prep the surface prior to painting. Bondo to fill the worst of the low spots( I know ,weight ). Then a product called Nitro-Stan. This is a spot and glazing putty. I use the red #9001, made by Standard Coating Corp, in Ridgefield,New Jersey 07657. I started using this in the mid '60s and love it. Goes on easy, dries fast, sands easy. It's not cheap, and can only be had thru auto body supply houses. If you can't get it in your neck of the woods and want a tube or two, let me know and I'll help you >> I too used this nitro-stan , and Bondo on my KR, and it worked good, and lasted for over 20 yrs . I painted cars for over 30 yrs , and used this same method on them . Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Painting with spray cans? From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:45:40 -0600 X-Message-Number: 14 Boy, Gary's got me excited now. I'm about to cover and paint my nearly finished TEAM Eros (a 1 year interim project before getting back to my KR-1 renovation). I've been pricing paint and have been getting $600.00 + figures just for materials, which is not unusual I guess, but it still boggles the mind of a bargain hunter ( ie: cheapscate) like me . I'm interested enough to at least do some test pieces before pronouncing the idea as folly. My only concern is the lack of a flex agent, especially when it comes to painting fabric? Any thoughts on this , Gary? I'll throw my 2 cents worth of advice about canned spray paint. Like most everyone else, I've used lots of canned paint on different household projects with pretty good results. I was looking for some aluminum paint in the aviation aisle of Walmart the other day for spraying some metal parts on the Eros. Because it was for "my airplane" I decided to go all out and pay an extra dollar or so for some Rustoleum "Premium" instead of the standby el cheapo Krylon brand that I usually use. Wow, what a difference that extra dollar made! It could have been the difference in spray nozzles, can pressure, paint or whatever, but the paint went on so much better and the results looked so much better that I'll probably never buy the cheaper stuff again ------ well , maybe for aviation projects at least. :o) Ed Janssen -----Original Message----- From: GARYKR2@cs.com To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, November 07, 1999 8:47 PM Subject: [kr-net] Painting A KR2 > In response to the number of off net inquiries I received last week about >my using RUST-OLEUM spray to paint my "2," I thought it best and easier to >throw this out to everybody. > The #1 question was: How do I get a smooth finish with a spray can? > Answer: Spraying with a spray can is no different than with a gun. You >have to watch the fan pattern,amount of over lap, and the amount of material >you are applying. > As long as the spray hole stays clear, the fan width will remain the >same. > The amount of over lap should be 1/3 to 1/2 the width of each pass. > When using a spray can, the amount of paint coming out can't be >controlled. So the speed at which you move back and forth is important. Fast >enough to prevent a run or sag, but slow enough to prevent "orange peal" or >"anti-skid" effect. It all comes with practice. > The paint job on the elevator on my plane was rushed and was too >dry. I left it there to show how it looks when done wrong. No one has noticed >it until I point it out. > The normal steps were used to prep the surface prior to painting. >Bondo to fill the worst of the low spots( I know ,weight ). Then a product >called Nitro-Stan. This is a spot and glazing putty. I use the red #9001, >made by Standard Coating Corp, in Ridgefield,New Jersey 07657. I started >using this in the mid '60s and love it. Goes on easy, dries fast, sands easy. >It's not cheap, and can only be had thru auto body supply houses. If you >can't get it in your neck of the woods and want a tube or two, let me know >and I'll help you out. I can buy all I want. > Next is RUST-OLEUM AUTO PRIMER, #2081. It's light gray,and the >same stuff used on cars. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BLACK. The gray or red will >stop the light the same as black. How many fabric covered airplanes have you >seen undercoated with black to stop the UVs from killing the fibers? I have >only ever seen silver used. Setup a test piece of glass, spray it and hold it >up to the sun. It may take a couple coats to get there. I have some places >where I used black, and that's where the color coat always peels. > Next, is the color. I used RUST-OLEUM PROFESSIONAL HIGH >PERFORMANCE ENAMEL. Product number: 7592 for the white, 7579 for the gloss >black. This stuff dries to the touch in 15 to 20 minutes, can be handled in 1 >to 2 hours. The orange trim color is PLASTI-KOTE fast dry engine enamel, >#200. This sets up in about an hour. > You may think I'm bats, but this system works great for me. I have >painted autos and airplanes for many years, using high priced paint, with >very little difference in looks, but a big difference in price. How about >less than $50 for fuselage and wing stubs( outer wing panels were done with >auto paint). > My dad was a body and paint man for lots of years (one of the best >in our area) and he can't believe the results I'm able to get. I never did >tell him I did my Cessna 175 with rust-oleum, he would have wacked me upside >my head for being so cheap. And I never will tell him. > If you want to know more, e-mail me your phone number, and I'll >give you a call. Gee, maybe I'll think about doing something for the >gathering if I can make it. > Thanks for your time. I'm a slow typer(2 fingers) and this is the >most I've ever done at one sitting. > Now all those that want to shoot holes in this method of mine, >have at it. I spent far less money, had way less over spray dust than you >will or did, and have just as nice a finish as you. So put that on your eggs >and bacon and eat it. > Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. > garykr2@cs.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ejanssen@chipsnet.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Painting with spray cans? From: WGLIDE78@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 23:47:14 EST X-Message-Number: 15 I have no idea if this is going to 1 or 450 people but I hope you test for resistance to fuel before getting to excited about the rustoleam.I mentioned this off net at first but apparently people are getting caught up on the idea.I had a fresh paint job on an industrial tractor literally jump off do to a gas spill.That was with a sand blasted quality auto primer Dp40 preperation. The only thing I was left with was the primer? Jeff Grover Seattle mail to wglide78@aol.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@timberline.com To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17800J@telelists.com