From: "KR-net users group digest" To: "kr-net digest recipients" Subject: kr-net digest: December 13, 1999 Date: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 12:19 AM KR-net users group Digest for Monday, December 13, 1999. 1. Epoxy flox 2. Re: Flox 3. Brakes again 4. Re: carbs 5. Simulation? 6. Re: Wing spar 7. Re: Total cost of KR2S? 8. Re: Wing spar 9. Re: Gas sight guage 10. Re: KR2 for sale!! 11. Re: KR2S Speed -vs- Hp (2.2L DDSoob) 12. Re: carbs 13. Re: KR2 for sale!! 14. phone number 15. Re: KR2S Speed -vs- Hp (2.2L DDSoob) 16. Re: Spanish consultant 17. weight vs speed 18. Re: Wing spar 19. Re: KR2 for sale!! 20. Re: weight vs speed 21. KRnet Message Database 22. Re: need info 23. Don't flox your wafs 24. KR2 for sale!! 25. Re: Don't flox your wafs 26. Re: KR2 for sale!! 27. Rand Robinson Web Site 28. KR-2S cockpit space 29. Re: Rand Robinson Web Site ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Epoxy flox From: "macwood" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:23:01 -0000 X-Message-Number: 1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BF4564.CC0CCBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As an NDI inspector, retired now, I recall x-raying 13 metre = wind-generator blades,for the integrity of the blade attach studs to = flox bonding. There was no doubt about the structural properties of the = flox, but you had to be sure that you had at least 80 % contact between = stud and flox.As these studs held the blades to the hub,were inconstant = use and were stressed to withstand 120mph winds, I think the case is = proved, (I dont think any have fallen off yet!) Seasons = greetings to all our readers! Cheers ! Mac. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BF4564.CC0CCBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As an NDI inspector, retired now, I = recall x-raying=20 13 metre wind-generator blades,for the integrity of the blade=20 attach studs to flox bonding. There was no doubt about the = structural=20 properties of the flox, but you had to be sure that you had at least 80 = %=20 contact between stud and flox.As these studs held the blades to the = hub,were=20 inconstant use and were stressed to withstand 120mph winds, I think = the=20 case is proved, (I dont think any have fallen off=20 yet!)           &n= bsp;   =20 Seasons greetings to all our readers!  Cheers=20 !        Mac.   =20
------=_NextPart_000_006B_01BF4564.CC0CCBA0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Flox From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 07:37:35 -0600 X-Message-Number: 2 Ray, "Flox", also known as cotton fiber (or "flock"), is mixed with epoxy to give a thickened mixture that is used for a variety of building tasks such as building up sharp corners, filling gaps , adding strength to inside corners, etc. A good catalog from Wicks Aircraft Supply or Aircraft Spruce and Specialty will help you learn some of these terms used when working with epoxy and fiberglass. The term "flox" is usually considered by most builders as the mixture obtained from adding this flock to the epoxy - not the flock itself. This mixture is strong enough to be considered structural. Ed Janssen -----Original Message----- From: Ray Wallace To: KR-net users group Date: Sunday, December 12, 1999 8:39 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: Wing spar >OK I'm clueless. What is Flox? Is there a FAQ for this kind of thing? > >Ray > >> Danny, >> This does NOT sound good. Is the play in the attach fitting against the >> spar or in the bolts through the spar. I just can't believe that with all >4 >> attach >> fittings bolted that you have ANY measureable play at all. I ended >lifting up >> my boat when I "played" with mine at that stage, if I recall. >> >> I belive the fix will be to insert bushings into the Wing Attach fitting >to >> use the same size bolt. (I think this is acceptable.) As far as any slop >> for the fittings go, you "could" flox the bolts into place, but then >removal >> is a pain. The bolts should be snug in the spar holes, requiring you to > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ejanssen@chipsnet.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Brakes again From: "Oscar Zuniga" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 05:58:42 PST X-Message-Number: 3 Hello, KRNuts Just another thought on the "new" brakes Dana and others were talking about (from Great Plains). Take a look at Tracy O'Brien Specialties; I think maybe he makes them for Steve. I have his flyer and can scan/post if anybody is interested; they seem to be about $100 a set lower in cost direct from Tracy. He also has the wheels, tires, and other stuff Great Plains and AS&S offer; he reworks them to improve the fit, finish, and operation. Again, cost seems to be a smidgen lower than GPASC. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: carbs From: Tom Crawford Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:23:23 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4 Dont know if this one got thru, so I send it once again.- > > Actually, the Ellison is very picky about how air enters it on all > engines. This fact is well documented in the installation manual, along > with suggestions on how to plumb it properly. Any questions that I had > on setting it up that were not covered in the manual were answered over > the phone by Ben Ellison. I found him to be very eager to help me get my > plane set up properly and safely. > > On having a loss of RPM at full throttle, I have found that if you pull > the throttle back just a hair from full, you will get a slight increase > in RPM. > > > -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Mailto:toys@atlantic.net http://www.tomshardwoodtoys.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Simulation? From: Walter Lounsbery Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 06:06:46 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 5 I want to thank everyone for their comments on my message about the "math of drag". When I get home this evening I hope to have some time to add to the discussion. There were definitely some good ideas. And to think that I haven't even SEEN these equations for a good five years! Now if I can only remember where I put the car keys. Has anyone seen the specs on the new Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000? According to the box, the "Pro" version allows you to enter the numbers for any aircraft, so you can simulate anything. If a KR-2 could be produced in this simulation, it would be very interesting! People who are concerned about handling might be able to get some impression of the plane. What do you think? ===== Walter Lounsbery day (972) 432-3621 evening (817) 285-8520 Walt@Lounsbery.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing spar From: marmet Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:17:01 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_fGFCoJNqrCsPGA2X4NPyLg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Suggestion ! You should use close tolerance bolt, mesure their size and use a reamer about .001" bigger. Then you'll have no play. JC "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" wrote: > Thanks guys > I have decided to pull out my reamer and go one size bigger on the bolt > size. Incidentally the play was on big bolts. > > Danny Livingstone > Natref > Inspection Department > Tel: +27-16-9402663 > e-mail: livd0124@natref.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: marmet2@videotron.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com --Boundary_(ID_fGFCoJNqrCsPGA2X4NPyLg) Content-type: text/x-vcard; name=marmet2.vcf; charset=us-ascii Content-description: Card for marmet Content-disposition: attachment; filename=marmet2.vcf Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:Marcoux;J. C. & Jocelyne x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:M & M adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:marmet2@videotron.ca fn:J.C. end:vcard --Boundary_(ID_fGFCoJNqrCsPGA2X4NPyLg)-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Total cost of KR2S? From: Tom Crawford Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:55:07 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7 KRBLUCH@aol.com wrote: > > N197DB was built in 1600 hours, over a three and a half year period, at a > total cost of 18,000 dollars. NSI Subaru powered. > > N262TC was built in 1800 hours over 22 months and cost around $16,000, $6,000 of that is in the motor. I used all the premolds, Diehl wingskins, new electronics. Saved a little money on some used instruments. -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Mailto:toys@atlantic.net http://www.tomshardwoodtoys.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing spar From: Donald Reid Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:11:15 -0500 X-Message-Number: 8 Livingstone, Danny (DJ) wrote: > > Thanks guys > I have decided to pull out my reamer and go one size bigger on the bolt > size. Incidentally the play was on big bolts. > I need to jump in here now with a bit of a warning. If you ream the large bolt holes out to the next size, do you have enough strength remaining in the fitting? The WAF is 4130 steel, 1.5 inches wide and 0.125 inches thick. The normal bolt hole is 3/8" in diameter. In its stock design, one WAF can safely carry approximately {(1.5" - 3/8") x 0.125"} x 90,000 psi = 12,660 pounds in tension. If you go to a 7/16" bolt, the fitting can now safely carry approx {(1.5" - 7/16") x 0.125"} x 90,000 psi = 11,950 pounds. In this case, the answer is ... probably OK. This is a small reduction in strength. You probably have enough margin to allow it, but do you know for sure? If it were the small bolts that needed to be reamed to the next larger size, you can NOT safely ream out the pair that is closest to the end of the spar, the other six can be safely enlarged from 3/16" to 1/4". Bolts though wood require a minimum spacing to ensure full strength. Aircraft bolts have a manufacturing tolerance. The normal AN6 (3/8") bolt can be as much as 0.004" undersized. If your WAF hole is a few thousands oversized, then you will have a lot of motion at the end of the spar. You may want to check all of your bolts with a micrometer. You may have a few that are below tolerance. Other options include close tolerance aircraft bolts. In this case, an AN6 could be replaced with an AN176. This is a maximum of 0.0013" undersized. A third option is to get the bolts re-plated with more cadmium to build up the thickness. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Gas sight guage From: Tom_Livingston@pass-seymour.com Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:40:56 -0500 X-Message-Number: 9 On my KR2 tail-tragger I marked the fuel for both level flight and ground position. The gauge varies by about 5 gal between the different positions. I felt the dual marking allows my to know the true fuel level before flying. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2 for sale!! From: "Jim Sellars" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:01:09 -0400 X-Message-Number: 10 Larry; Where are you located ? Jim -----Original Message----- From: Larry & Dorothy Jones To: KR-net users group Date: December 12, 1999 10:41 PM Subject: [kr-net] KR2 for sale!! >Lost Medical! Must Sell! 1997 KR2 tail dragger, 1600 VW engine >complete rebuild. Signed off as airworthy 7/97. 10 hours on aiiraft, >all taxi time. Complete and ready to fly. $8,000. >If interested, contact Larry Jones by email at jones@ncis.com > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jsellars@mon.auracom.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2S Speed -vs- Hp (2.2L DDSoob) From: "William J Crawford" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:59:28 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11 I'm not altogether sure weight is the full answer to speed, I fly a KR2S , 5" extended in front, 14" aft, using a Continental 85F and turning an Ed Sterba 59" prop with a 60" pitch gives my 750 pound empty weight plane a cruise of 150 mph, max speed has been no greater than 165. I weigh in at 215 and with all tanks full these speeds are reached at a TOW of 1063 lbs. Besides the engine weight, additional fiber glass was used generating this 750 pounds. It would seem to me, that those flying KR's with 550 pounds and less should get considerable better cruise if weight was a major contributor. "Ken Jordan" on 08/12/99 12:34:43 PM Please respond to "KR-net users group" To: "KR-net users group" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:30:34 -0500 X-Message-Number: 12 I found this to be true on my Sonerai also. Tom Crawford wrote: > > Dont know if this one got thru, so I send it once again.- > > > > > Actually, the Ellison is very picky about how air enters it on all > > engines. This fact is well documented in the installation manual, along > > with suggestions on how to plumb it properly. Any questions that I had > > on setting it up that were not covered in the manual were answered over > > the phone by Ben Ellison. I found him to be very eager to help me get my > > plane set up properly and safely. > > > > On having a loss of RPM at full throttle, I have found that if you pull > > the throttle back just a hair from full, you will get a slight increase > > in RPM. > > > > > > > > -- > Tom Crawford > Gainesville, FL > N262TC > Mailto:toys@atlantic.net > http://www.tomshardwoodtoys.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: baleco@worldnet.att.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com -- Marty Hammersmith http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/hangar/1071 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2 for sale!! From: Lon & Jody Boothby Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:38:50 -0800 X-Message-Number: 13 I live in Spokane Wash. Lon (509)443-0173 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: phone number From: "Richard Parker" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:00:56 PST X-Message-Number: 14 Tom, Dan woodward / Knight Hawke phone number is 603-798-3136 He is also a Warp Drive dealer and sells them at his cost. I just ordered mine. Dad bought it for me for X-mas. yippee! Rich Parker ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2S Speed -vs- Hp (2.2L DDSoob) From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:45:55 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 15 William J Crawford wrote: > I'm not altogether sure weight is the full answer to > speed, I fly a KR2S , 5" extended in front, 14" aft, using a Continental 85F and turning an Ed Sterba 59" prop with a 60" pitch gives my 750 pound empty weight plane a cruise of 150 mph, >>>>> One thing that is missing from this discussion is the pounds per hp ratio. Typically the less weight you have per hp the better your climb rate but you should also get a better indicated airspeed if your pounds to hp ratio favors it. In the example you gave at max TOW and assuming you are at sea level you have about 12.5 pounds per hp. Where are a VW powered KR at this same weight would be somewhere in the range of 19 pounds per hp. Even though my KR is considered heavy my ratio is something like 8.8 pounds per hp. We all know how well Marty Roberts KR flies and he is sitting somewhere in the 11 pounds per hp range. See a trend here? Sure weight will slow you down and light KRs fly fast but I have to agree that an additional 50 to 100 pounds isnt gonna do much to your top end or cruise speed. Your climb rate will suffer a bit but that’s about it. By the way a Cessna C-207 cruises about 130 knots either full of soda pop (1200 pounds worth) or empty. I dont know, maybe I am full of beans or is that soda pop? :o) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Spanish consultant From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:18:50 -0300 X-Message-Number: 16 Mike Your translation "al español" is very good! Eduardo emiglesias@cpenet.com.ar ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: weight vs speed From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:43:31 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 17 --- Mike Mims wrote: <<<>>> I forgot this is true "as long as power remains constant". __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Wing spar From: jscott.pilot@juno.com Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:39:25 -0800 X-Message-Number: 18 On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:11:15 -0500 Donald Reid writes: > Livingstone, Danny (DJ) wrote: > > > > Thanks guys > > I have decided to pull out my reamer and go one size bigger on the bolt > > size. Incidentally the play was on big bolts. > > > > I need to jump in here now with a bit of a warning. > > If you ream the large bolt holes out to the next size, do you have > enough strength remaining in the fitting? The WAF is 4130 steel, 1.5 > inches wide and 0.125 inches thick. The normal bolt hole is 3/8" in > diameter. In its stock design, one WAF can safely carry approximately > {(1.5" - 3/8") x 0.125"} x 90,000 psi = 12,660 pounds in tension. If > you go to a 7/16" bolt, the fitting can now safely carry approx > {(1.5" - 7/16") x 0.125"} x 90,000 psi = 11,950 pounds. > > In this case, the answer is ... probably OK. This is a small reduction > in strength. You probably have enough margin to allow it, but do you > know for sure? Some (not all) of my WAF bolt holes are reamed to the next larger size. There appears to be plenty of mass there for reaming without any significant loss of strength. I did have an expert in metals look at my problem before I drilled and reamed the fittings. My problem was a bad misalignment of the fittings on the project when I bought it. I built a drilling and reaming jig to ensure that all of it would be square and properly aligned. I guess you could say this fix has been flight tested as I now have 225 hours on the plane with much of it grossing at 1100 - 1200 lbs. Jeff Scott - Los Alamos, NM mailto:jscott.pilot@juno.com See N1213w construction and first flight at http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krjeff.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2 for sale!! From: Larry & Dorothy Jones Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:19:59 -0800 X-Message-Number: 19 Hi Lon, Sorry, but I have no use for 4 wheelers even though they sound fun. I live in Mora, MN and my phone number is 320 679 5980 in case you're still interested in the plane. Larry Jones ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: weight vs speed From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:30:13 -0500 X-Message-Number: 20 Let me ask you this Mike: Does a KR fly noticeably slower with two up as opposed to a single pilot? I fly 172,s as well as Cherokees and it doesn,t seem to matter how many people are in the plane with me, the cruise speed is virtually unaffected, climb however is another story. Kenny On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:43:31 -0800 (PST) Mike Mims writes: > --- Mike Mims wrote: > > <<< fast but I have to agree that an additional 50 to 100 > pounds isnt gonna do much to your top end or cruise > speed. >>>> > > > I forgot this is true "as long as power remains > constant". > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: klw1953@juno.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com > ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KRnet Message Database From: "Walter Lounsbery" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:13:31 -0600 X-Message-Number: 21 I hate to distract anyone from weighty matters, but http://www.Lounsbery.com has a link to the beginnings of a KRnet Message Database. Now I think I need to go get reacquainted with airplanes... Walter Lounsbery POB 54266 Hurst, TX 76054 (817) 285-8520 Walt@Lounsbery.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: need info From: USAUS@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:19:13 EST X-Message-Number: 22 Hello, I am building a KR2S right now I am in Austin. I have my boat on gear and I am building the wings now. Just put on the engine mount and engine cowl. I have everything I need to finish my plane less instruments,canopy and paint. I am in for 6.5k right now. Yes that includes a turbo 2180 cc engine. Regards Scott ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Don't flox your wafs From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:27:58 -0500 X-Message-Number: 23 He said.... Flox IS structural. This is one way (bed the bolts in flox) to fix the problem (loose bolts in spar caps) but probably not the best way. For what its worth I bedded all my spar cap bolts in flox. But what does it mean, "structural"? In this context, it is something stronger than wood, which means it can fill holes in WOOD to repair or strengthen. Don't even think about it as a filler for loose bolt holes as a metal replacement. Ron Freiberger .now in Kokomo mailto:ronald.freiberger@prodigy.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR2 for sale!! From: Larry & Dorothy Jones Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:36:22 -0800 X-Message-Number: 24 Lost Medical! Must Sell! 1997 KR2 tail dragger. 1600 VW engine complete rebuild. Signed off as airworthy 7/97. 10 hours on aircraft, all taxi time. Complete and ready to fly. $8,000. Contact Larry Jones, Mora, MN 55051. 320 679-5980 email address jones@ncis.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Don't flox your wafs From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:33:44 -0800 X-Message-Number: 25 "RONALD.FREIBERGER" wrote: > But what does it mean, "structural"? In this context, it is something > stronger than wood, which means it can fill holes in WOOD to repair or > strengthen. Don't even think about it as a filler for loose bolt holes as a > metal replacement. > Well in all seriousness if someone was thinking about using flox to modify the holes in the WAF itself (4130 steel part) then that person should think about building a model airplane vs a real one dontcha think? -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ mirror @ http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: KR2 for sale!! From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:36:10 -0800 X-Message-Number: 26 Larry & Dorothy Jones wrote: > > Lost Medical! Must Sell! 1997 KR2 tail dragger. 1600 VW engine > complete rebuild. Signed off as airworthy 7/97. 10 hours on aircraft, > all taxi time. Complete and ready to fly. $8,000. > Contact Larry Jones, Mora, MN 55051. 320 679-5980 email address > jones@ncis.com FWIW Because you didn't fly off the restriction hours within two years of it being signed off the entire process will have to be done again. -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ mirror @ http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Rand Robinson Web Site From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:37:25 -0800 X-Message-Number: 27 I noticed the Rand Robinson web site has been down for a couple of days. Anyone else notice this? -- zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Micheal Mims Sanding and Filling AGAIN! :o( http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ mirror @ http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4136/ http://members.home.com/mikemims/ Aliso Viejo CA ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR-2S cockpit space From: "Pierre Van Biljon" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:41:59 X-Message-Number: 28 I'm new to KR-Net... I live in South Africa (in Kempton Park to be exact) and I've been wanting to start building an aircraft for some time. I've had my heart and mind set on a KR-2S for some time now, but I read something yesterday that concerned me. It seems that the KR-2S is still rather small in terms of accomodation in the cockpit. Does it lend itself easily to modifications in this respect? If so, what other moifications would need to be taken into consideration. Can anyone help in this matter? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Rand Robinson Web Site From: "Pierre Van Biljon" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:9:48 X-Message-Number: 29 Yup... I tried to gain access toi this sight yesterday, but to no avail. --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@ipinc.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com