From: "KR-net users group digest" To: "kr-net digest recipients" Subject: kr-net digest: January 03, 2000 Date: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 12:24 AM KR-net users group Digest for Monday, January 03, 2000. 1. Taking over a project 2. Re: putting on wings 3. canopy latches 4. Solenoids 5. Re: canopy latches 6. Re: canopy latches 7. Re: sling seat 8. Propellers 9. Re: Propellers 10. Props (was canopy latches) 11. Re: Propellers 12. Re: Fw: [Fwd: Sticky Exhaust Valve] 13. web site 14. kr size 15. Re: kr size 16. Warmth 17. Prop Duplicator 18. Re: Solenoids 19. Re: Warmth 20. Re: kr size 21. Re: Propellers 22. Cockpit width ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Taking over a project From: "Kitselaar, Ton" Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 09:39:31 +0100 X-Message-Number: 1 Wow, what an active discussion group (74 mail over the millennium) that an encouragement to continue. I have been offert to take over a KR2 project. The builder cleams a 40% readiness. Now I'm wondering what's the best way to take it over? I suppose an certified person must document the project from a technical point of view and a description of the conditions. Over here (the Netherlands) the regulations are quite tough and beside that, I don't wanne end up with a box of rubbish. So, how do I ensure the status? I would appreciate any suggestions. Regards, Ton. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: putting on wings From: Donald Reid Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 20:21:27 -0500 X-Message-Number: 2 fred smith wrote: > > I am ready to put main spar in and start buiding wings. based on plans or > lack of- I may know what is going on by the time i am done. SNIP > Can you do the tops and then cut off and > remove both wings and then turn over and reattach wings. Will everything > still be ok this way. That is the way that I did my wings. I did not have any trouble with the alignment. I suspect that there are very few people who are able to leave the wings on and glass both sides. The only way that I can imagine this happening is if you have a hanger to work in. The normal gargage door is just not large enough to allow you to flip without removing the wings. -- Don Reid Bumpass, Va. mailto:donreid@erols.com KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: canopy latches From: flykr2@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 6:26:29 X-Message-Number: 3 I was not a clear as I should have been with my queston dealing with canopy latches. I'm using the same style that was on Roy Marsh KR2S, that is 4 latches, 2 on each side, with a swing forward canopy. The latches are the type that RR sells. Clay Brod flykr2@aol.com Harlem, ga ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Solenoids From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 09:32:09 EST X-Message-Number: 4 Mounted the starter and master solenoids on the firewall Sunday and found that to mount the battery connection closest to the battery, (pilot's side), I had to mount the solenoids upside down with the cap on the bottom. Don't believe this is a problem since they are not gravity driven. Or am I missing something? Tnks for the help, Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: canopy latches From: "J. Miller" Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:47:12 X-Message-Number: 5 Hello Krnetter's, It's nice to see that we're all still here and haven't fallen of the edge of the world. A special "attaboy" to all those well blessed 'mates' down under who had the chance to be in Sidney for NY's. A tremendous show... Now re: a couple questions I've been chewing on for quite some time. I have always felt the the "sling seat' could be GREATLY improved. There is a reference to an article in one of the previous newsletters about seat design. Does anyone have that information (or any other detailed relevant info) which they can email to me or was I just not looking for it in the wrong place on the KR-net? Also, I have decided to use a Prince P-Tip composite prop and would like to find out more about them from fylers currently using them or who have used them in the past. Pros and Cons are encouraged. It's a big piece in the puzzle and I'd like that one to fit correctly right from the start. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: canopy latches From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:53:17 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 6 Well I can almost promise you that you will not get the right prop the first time around. I think the advantage to wooden props is the fact that they can easily be re-pitched if needed. I don't think this is possible with the P-tip but I would find out for sure if I were you. Also find out what the turn around time is for re-pitching. I don't know what the cost of the P-Tip is in your area but its more than twice the price of a Ed Sterba or Props Inc. prop here in the US. I hear a lot of negative comments on the sling seat. The sling seat is not that bad guys. If you go with the sling seat I would find some of the material that Jeff Scott built his out of. The sling seat is very comfortable and easy to make, cheap and its also very light to boot. KISS!!!!!!!! If there is a problem with thinking the "sling seat" is not an airworthy design keep in mind many certified aircraft use sling seats. If you build a seat other than the sling type make sure all of the weight is supported by the two spars. You do NOT want the seat sitting on the floor of the aircraft as it was not designed to support weight in that manor. --- "J. Miller" wrote: I have decided to use a Prince P-Tip composite prop and would like to find out more about them from fylers > currently using them or who have used them in the > past. Pros and Cons are encouraged. >>>> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: sling seat From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:43:13 EST X-Message-Number: 7 In a message dated 1/3/00 2:54:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, kr2sflyer@yahoo.com writes: << If there is a problem with thinking the "sling seat" is not an airworthy design keep in mind many certified aircraft use sling seats. >> I kinda like my sling seat. It is easily repositioned and is quite comfortable. It is light and a piece of cake to install. Dana Overall 2000 Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Propellers From: "The LeTempt Family" Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 16:43:42 -0600 X-Message-Number: 8 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01BF5609.B176A3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Got a question about making a wooden prop. Does anyone have any = knowledge of the company that advertises the propeller carving machine = in Kit Planes magazine ? (NEVER BUY ANOTHER PROPELLER) Sounds like a = very small investment, but my daddy always told me you get what you pay = for. Jeffrey A. LeTempt ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01BF5609.B176A3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Got a question about making a wooden prop.  = Does anyone=20 have any knowledge of the company that advertises the propeller carving = machine=20 in Kit Planes magazine ?  (NEVER BUY ANOTHER PROPELLER) Sounds like = a very=20 small investment, but my daddy always told me you get what you pay=20 for.
 
Jeffrey A. LeTempt
------=_NextPart_000_0039_01BF5609.B176A3A0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Propellers From: cartera Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:53:04 -0700 X-Message-Number: 9 > The LeTempt Family wrote: > > Got a question about making a wooden prop. Does anyone have any > knowledge of the company that advertises the propeller carving machine > in Kit Planes magazine ? (NEVER BUY ANOTHER PROPELLER) Sounds like a > very small investment, but my daddy always told me you get what you > pay for. > > Jeffrey A. LeTempt Paid $15.00 for a set of plans years ago and modified it to my liking and built my 5 props on it. Was the best investment I made for experimenting my props. This is only a guideline you can modify it until you have what you want. Good Luck! -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Props (was canopy latches) From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:59:45 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 10 Well that post sure as hell didnt have anything to do with canopy latches did it? Sorry about that guys! --- Mike Mims wrote: > Well I can almost promise you that you will not get > the right prop the first time around. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Propellers From: Tlongcrier@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 18:43:15 EST X-Message-Number: 11 In a message dated 1/3/00 4:55:05 PM Central Standard Time, cartera@cuug.ab.ca writes: << knowledge of the company that advertises the propeller carving machine > in Kit Planes magazine ? (NEVER BUY ANOTHER PROPELLER) >> That would be Gary McGill, Department A-5, P.O. Box 2566, Glendale, AZ 85311. As per his ad in Sport Aviation. He does not list a telephone number. He says make a prop carving machine for $50 or less. Gary also sells plans for building a 1/2 VW for aircraft use. Thurman Longcrier TLongcrier@aol.com Florence, AL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fw: [Fwd: Sticky Exhaust Valve] From: JEHayward@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 19:36:14 EST X-Message-Number: 12 In a message dated 01/02/00 10:17:02 PM Mountain Standard Time, langford@hiwaay.net writes: << Yes, short stacks do indeed lead to faster erosion of the valves and seats, but warped instantly. I don't think so. >> Back in the '60's, my dad had a friend who flew a P-51 and had lots of trouble with warped exhaust valves. Some old timer told him to get some exhaust pipe covers and cover the stacks as soon as he shut down and was out of the plane. Reportedly, he did and never had any further problems with the valves warping. Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: web site From: Mike Mims Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 17:26:58 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 13 Check this out: http://sites.netscape.net/rawresources http://sites.netscape.net/rawresources/prices __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: kr size From: "TONY SOLDANO" Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 18:2:41 X-Message-Number: 14 I have recently purchased a set of plans for the kr2.I am concerned about the size of the plane and if it could hold 2 people. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: kr size From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 21:42:44 EST X-Message-Number: 15 Tony The KR2 was enlarged as the KR2S but you also have to buy the supplements. It turned it into a better airplane but is really still too small. Most builders enlarge the fuselarge by widening it and some by streatching it in length. Before you start building check the KR manual, Mark Langford, Mike Mimms and there are many other excellent KR building sites. All are on the WEBB. Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Warmth From: Joseph Cygan Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 19:40:06 -0800 X-Message-Number: 16 Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Joe Cygan, and I am new to the net. I have been reading the KR-net for a couple of months now and I am impressed with the wealth of knowledge out there. I have just moved to Pittsburgh,Pa. The Weather is cold and I am wondering if anybody could suggest a way to warm my COLD garrage, so I can start glueing my KR-2S together? Joe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Prop Duplicator From: "Rick Hubka" Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 20:24:01 -0700 X-Message-Number: 17 I have purchased the Prop Duplicator Plans from Gary McGill. If you can build a KR you can easily build Gary's machine from his plans. The plans are good. If you are familiar with lathe duplicators, that is exactly what it is like. A hard plastic stylus on one arm follows the original prop and your router( on the other end of the arm) carves out the new prop. As he has already mentioned, Adrian Carter here in Calgary has built one several years ago and loved it. His machine came to a sad end, but that's another story... The catch is that this process teaches you nothing about prop design etc. It just duplicates all the props you borrow until you borrow the right one. Adrian tells me you can alter the carving to change the props slightly. After I build my machine (maybe later in the next year) and borrow a few props and get Adrian over here for counseling. I'll give KRNet a report. Rick Hubka Email: rick@hubka.com Web Site: www.hubka.com Calgary, Alberta, Canada My thought for the day: "Errors have been made. Others will be blamed." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Solenoids From: AviationMech@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 00:23:52 EST X-Message-Number: 18 When not energized the solenoid contacts are held apart by a spring. If the spring were to fail, the contact could be made. The good part is that they usually never fail. Lee Robbins AviationMech@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Warmth From: "Richard McCall" Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 00:00:49 -0600 X-Message-Number: 19 Joe, Try a large kerosine heater placed well away from any epoxy fumes. Rich McCall Harker Hts, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Cygan To: KR-net users group Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 9:40 PM Subject: [kr-net] Warmth > Hello, > I just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Joe Cygan, and > I am new to the net. I have been reading the KR-net for a couple of > months now and I am impressed with the wealth of knowledge out there. > > I have just moved to Pittsburgh,Pa. The Weather is cold and > I am wondering if anybody could suggest a way to warm my COLD garrage, > so I can start glueing my KR-2S together? > > Joe > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: planecraft@earthlink.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: kr size From: "Richard McCall" Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 00:05:23 -0600 X-Message-Number: 20 TONY, That is the very reason for some of the modifications that builders have made on their projects. I personally have stretched mine an additional 14" and widened it to 44". Read through the messages on this net for awhile and you will begin to get a good idea. The best scenario of all is to buddy up with another KR builder in your area. This way you can help each other and keep each other motivated. Rich McCall Harker Hts, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: TONY SOLDANO To: KR-net users group Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 6:00 PM Subject: [kr-net] kr size > I have recently purchased a set of plans for the kr2.I am concerned about > the size of the plane and if it could hold 2 people. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: planecraft@earthlink.net > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Propellers From: "Richard McCall" Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 00:12:58 -0600 X-Message-Number: 21 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BF5648.74A0EA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff, This something I plan on doing, when I get my engine ready, because it = is a Legacy 2.2 and I don't know which prop size will work the best on = it. Rather than buying a bunch of expensive props, I plan on making = them (it's much cheaper that way). Maybe we could get together on this = aspect. Rich McCall Harker Hts, TX ----- Original Message -----=20 From: The LeTempt Family=20 To: KR-net users group=20 Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 4:43 PM Subject: [kr-net] Propellers Got a question about making a wooden prop. Does anyone have any = knowledge of the company that advertises the propeller carving machine = in Kit Planes magazine ? (NEVER BUY ANOTHER PROPELLER) Sounds like a = very small investment, but my daddy always told me you get what you pay = for. Jeffrey A. LeTempt ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BF5648.74A0EA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jeff,
 
This something I plan on doing, when I get my engine = ready,=20 because it is a Legacy 2.2 and I don't know which prop size will work = the best=20 on it.  Rather than buying a bunch of expensive props, I plan on = making=20 them (it's much cheaper that way).  Maybe we could get together on = this=20 aspect.
 
Rich McCall
Harker Hts, TX
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 The=20 LeTempt Family
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 = 4:43=20 PM
Subject: [kr-net] = Propellers

Got a question about making a wooden prop.  = Does anyone=20 have any knowledge of the company that advertises the propeller = carving=20 machine in Kit Planes magazine ?  (NEVER BUY ANOTHER PROPELLER) = Sounds=20 like a very small investment, but my daddy always told me you get what = you pay=20 for.
 
Jeffrey A. = LeTempt
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BF5648.74A0EA00-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Cockpit width From: "Pierre Van Biljon" Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 23:31:27 X-Message-Number: 22 Greetings... I'm a South African, living on the outskirts of Johannesburg (± 4000' ASL). I'm also what some would call a large chap (weighing about 210 pounds). I have been keen on getting my butt upstairs for some time now, and have finally settled on the KR. I will be logging alot of hours in my bird, and most of this will be with my wife sitting next to me. As a result, I need to increase the cockpit size on my KR-2S from the standard 38" to 48" (that's 10"!) I also need to increase the instrument panel height to get the tree stumps sticking out of the bottom of my body into the rudder pedals. I realise that this is extreme, and I also know that it will have considerable ramifications on the rest of the airplane design. My main concerns are: Wing alterations to compensate for the increase in weight. At our altitude, I don't want to go bounding down the airstrip and find out at the end, doing 80mph that my wings are not generating enough lift. The CG positioning, I don't want a tail heavy aircraft. The power required to take off at this altitude: My initial powerpant was to be a turbo-charged VW type 4, machined to 2.40 litres as well as a few other tricks like a gas-flowed head, etceterra. Does anyone have any constructive advice as to how I should go about this? --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@ipinc.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com