From: "KR-net users group digest" To: "kr-net digest recipients" Subject: kr-net digest: January 19, 2000 Date: Thursday, January 20, 2000 12:39 AM KR-NET Digest2 for Wednesday, January 19, 2000. 1. Plans sold. 2. Fwd: SV: DFLY: Which carb with VW ? 3. Shielded wires: Partial solution 4. Re: Fwd: SV: DFLY: Which carb with VW ? 5. Re: Fwd: SV: DFLY: Which carb with VW ? 6. Re: Fwd: SV: DFLY: Which carb with VW ? 7. "Grommets" 8. Re: Fwd: SV: DFLY: Which carb with VW ? 9. Re: Plans sold and 3D plans (enough) 10. Best Carb? 11. Re: Shielded wires: Partial solution 12. Stromberg Carbs 13. Stromberg carb with VW 14. Re: Stromberg Carbs 15. Re: Stromberg Carbs 16. Re: Best Carb? 17. Re: Best Carb? 18. Zenith / Stromberg Carburetor 19. Re: 3D CAD files of KR-2 20. Cold Engine 21. aileron travel 22. KR-1 infomation for prospective builder. 23. Canopy 24. Looking For a Kr2 or 2S 25. counterbalance elevator? 26. Re: Canopy 27. Re: Cold Engine 28. Re: Cold Engine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Plans sold. From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 06:52:35 EST X-Message-Number: 1 In a message dated 1/18/00 11:48:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, jrlkc@mindspring.com writes: << Do you really think that selling a few plans yeals that kind of $$? KRRon >> Without a doubt, the plans are her dominate money maker. Look at the plans number and multiply it out. Now, add to that fact that she has relatively no cost of goods sold in these plans. It's easy to see that it's free money. Any premold stuff she sells is icing on the cake. Now, what about that property??????????????? Dana Overall 2000 Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Fwd: SV: DFLY: Which carb with VW ? From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:27:02 EST X-Message-Number: 2 --part1_dc.c44075.25b723b6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This from the Dragonfly Boys, what do you think ? --part1_dc.c44075.25b723b6_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (rly-yc01.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.33]) by air-yc03.mail.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 06:39:53 -0500 Received: from inter2.interstice.com (inter2.interstice.com [209.50.32.201]) by rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (v67.7) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 06:39:50 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by inter2.interstice.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08128 for dragonlist-outgoing; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 03:30:20 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: inter2.interstice.com: majordom set sender to owner-dragonlist@mail.interstice.com using -f Received: from bednorz.get2net.dk (bednorz.get2net.dk [130.227.3.2]) by inter2.interstice.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08121 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 03:30:18 -0800 Received: from sashjemmepc (p302-013.ppp.get2net.dk [195.82.209.13]) by bednorz.get2net.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA28912 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:30:09 +0100 (MET) From: "Jorgen Skov Nielsen" To: Subject: SV: DFLY: Which carb with VW ? Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:29:45 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3884B002.95E1CB6D@filnet.fr> Sender: owner-dragonlist@inter2.interstice.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dragonlist@inter2.interstice.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by inter2.interstice.com id DAA08128 THE BEST CARB FOR THE VW IS A STROMBERG ZENITH,YOU CAN HAVE IT IN DIFFERENT SIZE,NORMALLY A 1=BD" IS OK. THIS CARB PROVIDE AUTOMATIC MIXTURE CONTROL WITH INCREASED ALTITUDE.LIMBACH USE IT ON THERE ENGINES. REGARDS JORGEN NIELSEN,OF DENMARK -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: owner-dragonlist@inter2.interstice.com [mailto:owner-dragonlist@inter2.interstice.com]P=E5 vegne af Emmanuel Beranger Sendt: 18. januar 2000 19:25 Til: dragonlist@inter2.interstice.com Emne: DFLY: Which carb with VW ? Hi, Some of you may remember I have posted a few months ago a "field landing" notification. My F-PCFD canard was destroyed, and I'm starting the LS one as a retrofit (and also Tri-gear, for a change ...) Last, but not least, I may change something in the GMP ... I have no clue what can have happened to it. (after 2 Touches, I took off for the third, and in the initial climbing, the engine started decreasing RPM. I tried the carb heating - may be not long enough -, and after a few coughs ... silence. The carb heating had been on before touchdown). The experts from local FAA (let's call it French Aviation Authorities) did not find any clues ... The only thing we could think of was carb icing (weather conditions could have allowed)... though unlikely. Alright, now is the question : I more or less trust the JPX (VW 1835 mod) engine, but not the 36/33 Del'Orto Carb, which is quite a "gas factory". Would anyone have a good idea for a nice "no problem", not too expensive, (possibly second hand) carb ? The only extra feature (which was on the Del'Orto) I would be happy to find would be an "accelerating" additional pump (injects additional gas in the pipe when the gas stick is pushed). Thanks for any enlightement on the subject. EB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - dragonlist is hosted courtesy of Interstice Inc., a provider of reasonably priced virtual domain hosting for the world, and dedicated circuit and dialup for Silicon Valley. http://www.interstice.com (408) 369-4490 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= - dragonlist is hosted courtesy of Interstice Inc., a provider of reasonably priced virtual domain hosting for the world, and dedicated circuit and dialup for Silicon Valley. http://www.interstice.com (408) 369-4490 --part1_dc.c44075.25b723b6_boundary-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Shielded wires: Partial solution From: RFG842@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:34:20 EST X-Message-Number: 3 Found a partial solution to the shielded wire problem. My electronics shop carries braided coper mesh in sizes from 1/4" to 3/4". Used 1/2" @ .50 cents per foot and was able to run 3 no. 10 guage wires through it. With a little planning can combine wires to the mag, master and ampmeter. Only problem is that you can't get it through the grommet in the firewall. Will have to stop the mesh at the firewall and start it again in the engine compartment. Not a big deal but must be sure to ground the mesh on both sides of the firewall. Can get all the shielded wire I want but have to buy in 500 ft reels. One netter suggested the mobile sound installation shops for a source. Haven't tried that yet. Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fwd: SV: DFLY: Which carb with VW ? From: Willard561@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:38:59 EST X-Message-Number: 4 In a message dated 1/19/00 7:28:57 AM Mountain Standard Time, Laheze@aol.com writes: << THE BEST CARB FOR THE VW IS A STROMBERG ZENITH,YOU CAN HAVE IT IN DIFFERENT SIZE,NORMALLY A 1=BD" IS OK. THIS CARB PROVIDE AUTOMATIC MIXTURE CONTROL WITH INCREASED ALTITUDE.LIMBACH USE IT ON THERE ENGINES. REGARDS JORGEN NIELSEN,OF DENMARK >> The only problems I can think of are; 1 you need a special tool kit to work on them (JC Whitless used to have them) I know because I helped a friend who lived in a area with no trained mechanics keep her MGB running, and 2 if the rubber diaphragm tears you A problem. Bill HIgdon Willard561@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fwd: SV: DFLY: Which carb with VW ? From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:43:55 -0600 X-Message-Number: 5 I don't know, but he sounds like he's convinced! All I know is that it ISN'T the Posa! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ----- Original Message ----- From: To: KR-net users group Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 8:27 AM Subject: [kr-net] Fwd: SV: DFLY: Which carb with VW ? > This from the Dragonfly Boys, what do you think ? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fwd: SV: DFLY: Which carb with VW ? From: Tlongcrier@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:55:36 EST X-Message-Number: 6 In a message dated 1/19/00 8:49:09 AM Central Standard Time, Willard561@aol.com writes: << The only problems I can think of are; 1 you need a special tool kit to work on them >> There are several large distributors for MG, etc. parts including carburetors - all parts for all models carbs. The tool is inexpensive. The diaphram is cheap. All other parts are reasonable. Try: www. victoriabritish.com. T Thurman Longcrier TLongcrier@aol.com Florence, AL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: "Grommets" From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:55:54 -0600 X-Message-Number: 7 On a related note - I was looking through the pollution control section of my local auto store ("Auto Zone") and noticed several rubber products which could be used as firewall grommets. Often, thicker center grooves are needed to accomodate the thickness of our firewalls and some of these items look like they just might work. Could save having to make a special order to Wicks or Aircraft Spruce. Ed Janssen -----Original Message----- From: RFG842@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 8:43 AM Subject: [kr-net] Shielded wires: Partial solution >Found a partial solution to the shielded wire problem. My electronics shop >carries braided coper mesh in sizes from 1/4" to 3/4". Used 1/2" @ .50 cents >per foot and was able to run 3 no. 10 guage wires through it. With a little >planning can combine wires to the mag, master and ampmeter. Only problem is >that you can't get it through the grommet in the firewall. Will have to stop >the mesh at the firewall and start it again in the engine compartment. Not a >big deal but must be sure to ground the mesh on both sides of the firewall. > >Can get all the shielded wire I want but have to buy in 500 ft reels. One >netter suggested the mobile sound installation shops for a source. Haven't >tried that yet. > >Bob > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: ejanssen@chipsnet.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-17739N@telelists.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Fwd: SV: DFLY: Which carb with VW ? From: "Mark Langford" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:20:22 -0600 X-Message-Number: 8 > I don't know, but he sounds like he's convinced! All I know is that it > ISN'T the Posa! Well, we can add me to the list of idiots who replied to stuff on KRNet that should have been private. I could have sworn this was sent directly to me so I replied to it just to be nice, to whoever Laheze@aol.com is (you'd never know from the signature, that's for sure). But I refuse to send the newbies and prime offendors to the FAQ at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/project_viking/introduction/krnetiquette.h tml for a lesson on civilized KRNet behavior. I need a vacation... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Plans sold and 3D plans (enough) From: HAshraf@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:58:34 EST X-Message-Number: 9 Hi gang, I hate to be a net mama but this 3D thing and 'easy money' for plans things have gone too far. Lets drop it please. Thanks Haris ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Best Carb? From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:11:56 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 10 Well we all know there is no such thing as "the best carb" for this or that. But while we are talking carbs I talked to Bruce (a KR flyer at my airport) about his Revflow carb. Bruce has a 2100 Revmaster with the newer Revflow carb mounted. Bruce flies the crap out of his airplane (maybe more than my friend Brad) and he has never had a single issue with this carb. What I found interesting was that his engine will turn a certain pithced Sterba prop almost 200 rpm higher than two other 2180VWs (using the same prop) that have Ellison carbs installed. If they made a Revflow large enough to work on my Lycoming I would give one a try! --- Mark Langford wrote: > > I don't know, but he sounds like he's convinced! > All I know is that it > > ISN'T the Posa! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Shielded wires: Partial solution From: Joann Hill Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:59:32 -0800 X-Message-Number: 11 What I use for shielding is RG174 coax (thin stuff) and UR67 Coax (thick stuff): carefully strip back the jacket and pull out the central conductor and insulator leaving just the braid. Joann, NM RFG842@aol.com wrote: > > Found a partial solution to the shielded wire problem. My electronics shop > carries braided coper mesh in sizes from 1/4" to 3/4". Used 1/2" @ .50 cents > per foot and was able to run 3 no. 10 guage wires through it. With a little > planning can combine wires to the mag, master and ampmeter. Only problem is > that you can't get it through the grommet in the firewall. Will have to stop > the mesh at the firewall and start it again in the engine compartment. Not a > big deal but must be sure to ground the mesh on both sides of the firewall. > > Can get all the shielded wire I want but have to buy in 500 ft reels. One > netter suggested the mobile sound installation shops for a source. Haven't > tried that yet. > > Bob > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Stromberg Carbs From: "Kobus de Wet" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:25:38 +0200 X-Message-Number: 12 I have two Strombergs on my KR2 2Lt and the work magnificently. Infact all three KR2's locally have the same engines and carbs. Cheers Kobus de Wet Cape Town South Africa GMT +2.00 mailto:jfdewet@intekom.co.za Ph +27-21-988-3671 Fax +27-21-987-1850 Cell 082-424-0194 http://home.intekom.com/kobusdw ----- Original Message ----- From: To: KR-net users group Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 16:27 Subject: [kr-net] Fwd: SV: DFLY: Which carb with VW ? This from the Dragonfly Boys, what do you think ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Stromberg carb with VW From: "fly" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:47:42 +1300 X-Message-Number: 13 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BF6323.03EE0940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use a Stromberg CD150 on my Revmaster 2100D and has done just on = 600Hrs with only one problem and that was caused by me. Have never = needed any special tools and the diaphram has been replaced once because = I was told it should be. We fly in some strange weather and temps here = in New Zealand at varying altitudes but mainly 5000' or below. My carb = heat controll is well oiled and used frquently......Regards....Dave... David J Stuart, Wellington New Zealand. Email: fly@paradise.net.nz Pictures: http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/~fly ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BF6323.03EE0940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I use a Stromberg CD150 on my Revmaster 2100D = and has done=20 just on 600Hrs with only one problem and that was caused by me. Have = never=20 needed any special tools and the diaphram has been replaced once because = I was=20 told it should be. We fly in some strange weather and temps here in New = Zealand=20 at varying altitudes but mainly 5000' or below. My carb heat controll is = well=20 oiled and used frquently......Regards....Dave...
David J Stuart,
Wellington  New=20 Zealand.
Email:    fly@paradise.net.nz
Pictures:&= nbsp;  =20 http://homepages.paradise.= net.nz/~fly
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01BF6323.03EE0940-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Stromberg Carbs From: Tlongcrier@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:31:44 EST X-Message-Number: 14 In a message dated 1/19/00 2:00:59 PM Central Standard Time, jfdewet@intekom.co.za writes: << I have two Strombergs on my KR2 2Lt and the work magnificently. Infact all three KR2's locally have the same engines and carbs. >> I have worked with both Strombergs and SUs some on British Sports Cars over the years and my experience has been that they do very well if you know what to do with them. I still have a couple of Strombergs, 45CDs I think, albeit with water controlled automatic chokes. I also have a brand new SU, HS 6, (manual choke) which would be terific on an 1800 cc and up VW, in my opinion. What I am leading up to, is can you give me some information on how you have the 2 Strombergs (I assume manual chokes) installed? What kind of intake system? Are they bottom mounted? Did you make your own intake flanges to mount them on? Where did you locate the dash pots so you can keep the oil replinished? I'd sure like to use a Stromberg. Haven't seen one used in the U.S. I'd also like to use of the SU 6, probably. I also have a couple of new downdraft Webbers (for MGBs), but they look as though they would be impractical. I'd be interested in anything you can enlighten me on. Thanks for the good "Plug" on the stromberg. Most people I know can't stand them. Thanks T Thurman Longcrier TLongcrier@aol.com Florence, AL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Stromberg Carbs From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:49:14 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 15 What model of carb? --- Kobus de Wet wrote: > I have two Strombergs on my KR2 2Lt and the work > magnificently. Infact all > three KR2's locally have the same engines and carbs. > Cheers __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Best Carb? From: Mike Mims Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:52:47 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 16 http://www.propermg.com/zsc001.htm Is this the one? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Best Carb? From: Tlongcrier@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:47:56 EST X-Message-Number: 17 In a message dated 1/19/00 4:02:21 PM Central Standard Time, kr2sflyer@yahoo.com writes: << http://www.propermg.com/zsc001.htm Is this the one? >> Mike That's "almost" the one. As the ad says that is a replacement for the Original 175 CD..... It looks identical to the original and has a coolant controlled automatic choke. Of course VWs use no coolant (liquid). This is the carb used on the late MGBs. This model is also, or used to be, available with a mechanical choke. The MG Midget used the identical carb, except in the smaller model, the 150 CD. Some had water controlled chokes. Some had mechanical controlled chokes. Otherwise, they were the same. It appears the boys down under - and in South Africa - are using the Stromberg 150 CD and, of course, the manual choke model. Evidentally some are using a twin carb set up ala the earlier SU carburetor setups. I thought the 150 CD would be undercapcitated for the 1800 cc and up VW ( that may be why they use the twin carb set up). The MG Midget (and the Triumph Spitfire) used 1500 cc engines, so one carb was sufficient. The MGB engine is 1800 cc and uses the larger 175 CD. I suppose you could use a twin set up of these, ala the Triumph TR 7, which sould be fine for 2180 and up cc. But that may be too much and the reason they are using the twin 150 CDs even on the larger VWs. This information is based upon the cars imported into the U.S.. Cars going to other parts of the world, British cars that is, used different and various specifications from U.S cars - including carburetor setups - to meet the regs in the various countries. I've always found them to work well on the cars and they should work well on VW conversions, as the guys downunder have attested. They are not of the latest technology, however - as HW and some of the others will attest. The original is not made anymore, though, and the replacements seem to be a little pricey - ain't they all? Thurman Longcrier TLongcrier@aol.com Florence, AL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Zenith / Stromberg Carburetor From: Laheze@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:07:16 EST X-Message-Number: 18 When I saw the statement from Mr Nielsen, from Denmark, on the DFLY list, about the Stromberg/Zenith carburetors, I thought that I would see if any of you guys knew anything about them because I had never heard of them before. Mr Nielsen seems to think they are the best. I do appreciate the positive input from you respondees on this subject, this is what this forum is for, thanks a lot. Larry Howell laheze@aol.com I have a Revflo but have not flown it yet so I can't comment on its greatness or lack of. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: 3D CAD files of KR-2 From: "J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd." Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:07:51 -0600 X-Message-Number: 19 -----Original Message----- From: Laheze@aol.com To: KR-net users group Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 11:44 PM Subject: [kr-net] Re: 3D CAD files of KR-2 >$ 200.00 X 8000 = 1,600,000/20 yrs= $80,000 - all taxes & expenses > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: jrlkc@mindspring.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-39476L@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Cold Engine From: GARYKR2@cs.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:53:31 EST X-Message-Number: 20 Mike, the oil cooler is blocked off, except for 2in where my cabin heet comes from. Also just reduced the cowl air inlets to 28sq in[ .35xhp=required sq in of inlet]. That's why I was wandering how the up north guys stay warm. Another item that puzzels me. Why does an engine have to be perheated after it is installed in an airplane? Do all of you preheat your car? Do you preheat your snowblower? If you use multi weight oil, fly more than once a month, what's the need? And yes I know all about how a cold engine is tighter, and all the wear happens in the first 30 sec, and I don't buy it. When you preheat, now your thinning what oil is left, and making it easier to run off before start. Sunday when it was 15deg out, I had oil pressure just as fast as during the summer. So, lets hear the answers. Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: aileron travel From: WA7YXF@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:49:49 EST X-Message-Number: 21 Help--------the plans call for 20 degrees up and 10 degrees down... My notes show that I was once told to go 1 1/2" up and 3/4" down.. I measured a KR once that was 1 1/4" up and 1" down. Now that I'm finally at the stage of doing it, I find that's a long way from 20 and 10. What should I do????? Lynn Hyder WA7YXF N37LH Redmond, Oregon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: KR-1 infomation for prospective builder. From: "Jim Payne" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 11:08:29 -0800 X-Message-Number: 22 I am interested in building A KR-1 and would like a few questions answered. 1. Are the new Airfoils that are being used on the KR2 applicable to the KR1? 2. I've heard discussions about fiberglassing the sides of the "Boat" is this recommended or not? 3. Is the VW powerplant able to handle -g's? If not are their any other powerplants that are being used that would? Also their seems to be alot of internet based support for the KR2/KR2S but very little on the KR-1. The KR-1 for a small, single seat, slow price, high performance plans built airplane seems to be an ideal project. I'm supprised their appears to be so few active projects, anything I should know about it before building? Thanks for any infomation you can give, Jim Payne jim@manufacturingconcepts.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Canopy From: "Robert E Sauer" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:16:11 -0800 X-Message-Number: 23 Does anyone have a Dragonfly Dark Gray canopy they are willing to sell? Also, with many changing over to the Corvair engine, what nosegear are you using? Bob ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Looking For a Kr2 or 2S From: SClay10106@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:32:49 EST X-Message-Number: 24 I am looking to purchase a completed and flying Kr2 or 2s Please email me directly with any possibles specs and pictures are also great Thank guys SCLAY10106@AOL.COM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: counterbalance elevator? From: "Steve Glover" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:57:55 -0800 X-Message-Number: 25 Hello Netters, I am trying to find out if the elevator on KR's should be counterbalanced. I am just assembling my elevator and want to make provisions for the counter weight if needed. My plane is a KR-1 specifically so I don't know if that makes any difference. Thanks in advance for the assistance! Steve Glover KR-1 builder in Southern California ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Canopy From: Mark Jones Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 23:30:44 +0000 X-Message-Number: 26 Robert E Sauer wrote: > Also, with many changing over to the Corvair engine, what nosegear are you > using? Bob Bob, I am building a KR-2S with the 110HP RH coded Corvair engine. I also am utilizing the tri-gear version and am using the Diehl main gears and nose gear. The Corvair engine mount will be built to accept the nosegear mounting bracket. You may view my project at the link listed below. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Waukesha,WI mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Cold Engine From: "Cary Honeywell" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:44:42 -0500 X-Message-Number: 27 Briefly put, I don't care much if my car engine quits at 0 AGL on a cold day. However, when the engine grinds metal because the oil is too thick to properly lube the pistons, etc, I want to be at 0 AGL when it grinds to a halt. You need to thin out the oil up here. Even 10W50 oil gets pretty thick at -15F. The local flying clubs up here in the deep freeze won't sanction flights when the OAT is less than -20F. They pre-heat any engine that has sat for more than an hour in any temp below 0-F and when the temp is over 15-F they will only pre-heat at the satr of the day and whenever the CFI and AME feels a pre-heat is needed. My 172 has the winter kit, but I preheat or I don't fly at all. Most of the residual metal that is discovered by our AME when doing an annual, comes from aircraft which have either had a bad engine moment, or the aircraft was used extensively during cold weather without proper pre-heating. It is easier to say "Glad I preheated" than "I wish I had." Less expensive in the long run. - Cary - -Cary Honeywell - Ottawa Ontario Canada caryh@home.com ve3ev@rac.ca Home page http://24.112.208.98/welcome.shtml KR2 area http://24.112.208.98/kr2/kr2.shtml -----Original Message----- From: GARYKR2@cs.com To: KR-net users group Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 9:15 PM Subject: [kr-net] Cold Engine > Mike, the oil cooler is blocked off, except for 2in where my cabin heet >comes from. Also just reduced the cowl air inlets to 28sq n[ .35xhp=required >sq in of inlet]. > That's why I was wandering how the up north guys stay warm. > Another item that puzzels me. Why does an engine have to be perheated >after it is installed in an airplane? Do all of you preheat your car? Do you >preheat your snowblower? If you use multi weight oil, fly more than once a >month, what's the need? And yes I know all about how a cold engine is >tighter, and all the wear happens in the first 30 sec, and I don't buy it. >When you preheat, now your thinning what oil is left, and making it easier to >run off before start. > Sunday when it was 15deg out, I had oil pressure just as fast as >during the summer. > So, lets hear the answers. > Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. > garykr2@cs.com > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: caryh@home.com >To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-62695J@telelists.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Cold Engine From: "w.g. kirkland" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:16:46 -0500 X-Message-Number: 28 Gary. Both my cars have block heaters and I use them if it gets below 5F. When I lived in Winnipeg where during the winter it seldom gets above 0 F all the parking spots have plug ins for the block heaters. Otherwise you just don't start. In Churchill and points north they just keep the trucks running all night. Yes I use lighter weight oil in winter. 15W50 or lighter. The preheat doesn't warm the engine so much that the oil is thinned out much. See also Cary's comments. W.G. KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ---------- > From: GARYKR2@cs.com > To: KR-net users group > Subject: [kr-net] Cold Engine > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 8:53 PM > > Mike, the oil cooler is blocked off, except for 2in where my cabin heet > comes from. Also just reduced the cowl air inlets to 28sq in[ .35xhp=required > sq in of inlet]. > That's why I was wandering how the up north guys stay warm. > Another item that puzzels me. Why does an engine have to be perheated > after it is installed in an airplane? Do all of you preheat your car? Do you > preheat your snowblower? If you use multi weight oil, fly more than once a > month, what's the need? And yes I know all about how a cold engine is > tighter, and all the wear happens in the first 30 sec, and I don't buy it. > When you preheat, now your thinning what oil is left, and making it easier to > run off before start. > Sunday when it was 15deg out, I had oil pressure just as fast as > during the summer. > So, lets hear the answers. > Gary Hinkle Middletown, Pa. > garykr2@cs.com > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: kirkland@vianet.on.ca > To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-39277K@telelists.com --- END OF DIGEST --- You are currently subscribed to kr-net as: johnbou@ipinc.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-kr-net-110995W@telelists.com