From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 9 Jul 2000 13:06:19 -0000 Issue 55 Date: Sunday, July 09, 2000 5:06 AM krnet Digest 9 Jul 2000 13:06:19 -0000 Issue 55 Topics (messages 1174 through 1193): Re: Longer wing (was engine) 1174 by: Donald Reid 1175 by: Mark Langford Good news / Bad news (KR2 for sale) 1176 by: Steven Vitrella 1177 by: Schmidt, Curtis Re: KR! 1178 by: Bobby Whisenant Re: Can't get carb heat 1179 by: DONAN5.aol.com 1184 by: Tim Bellville Floats ? 1180 by: rme114.juno.com Re: Bendix D-2000 Magneto 1181 by: Michael Taglieri 1192 by: KRkip.aol.com Re: Wing Skin Supplier 1182 by: Todd Servaes Bouncing mail 1183 by: macwood Visio CAD 1185 by: Oscar Zuniga KR-1 1186 by: Dave Vieira 1190 by: Greg S Martin Compufire 1187 by: AviationMech.aol.com 1188 by: Mark Langford 1193 by: Tom Kilgore v.w. type-4--2600c.c. 1189 by: Airnut98.aol.com KR-1 project for sale 1191 by: Ed Janssen Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 05:54:20 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Longer wing (was engine) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000707054219.0095b7e0@pop.erols.com> --=====================_1668102==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:11 PM 7/6/00 -0700, Lon V Boothby wrote: >Does the longer wing mean lower stall speeds, and shorter take off and >landing distances? >Lon All other things being equal, longer wings do not mean a lower stall speed, that requires more wing area. The trouble with that statement is that all of the other things will not be equal. If you maintain the same wing chord dimensions and lengthen the wing, then you add wing area. This means that you decrease your stall speed. If you maintain a constant wing area and change the wing's aspect ratio, then the stall speed is not affected. In general terms: wing area (length multiplied by width) controls stall speed, wing aspect ratio (length divided by width) controls the V speeds. This is a really simple explanation, A real discussion needs several equations and paper. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm USUA Club 250 at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html --=====================_1668102==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:38:48 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Longer wing (was engine) Message-ID: <002401bfe818$af1dd410$58e6a58c@tbe.com> Lon V Boothby wrote: > Does the longer wing mean lower stall speeds, and shorter take off and > landing distances? > Is there any out there flying with the Diehl wing skins? More wing area (which is what you'd get be simply making your existing wings longer) also means lower wing loading, which will get you bumped around more in turbulence, especially at high speed. This is the main reason I'm leaving off the foam spar extension on my KR2S wings. My large flaps will make up the difference in stall speed, and I'll get a smoother ride at high speed. It's all a compromise, but flaps are one place where a little extra weight and complexity can pay big dividends at landing time. Landing distance is going to be the factor that determines how short a runway you can use, mainly because of the slippery shape and "ground effect" due to the wing being so close to the ground. Flaps (especially a split flap) or a speed (belly) brake will help a lot there. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/99102912.jpg for a nice view of my split flap setup. The top surface of the wing is continuous, but the flap extends out of the bottom. > Is there any out there flying with the Diehl wing skins? Any WHAT flying with Diehl wing skins? There sure are a lot of KR2s flying with them. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:37:14 PDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Steven Vitrella" Subject: Good news / Bad news (KR2 for sale) Message-ID: <20000707183714.69158.qmail@hotmail.com> Well, the good news is that I got a phone call yesterday saying that I was accepted into the Navy pilot program! I’m very excited and can’t wait to go. I leave for officer candidate school on Jan. 6th in Pensacola, FL--after I finish my bachelor’s degree here at UF. The bad news is I won’t have the time now to finish my KR2. So now I have to put it up for sale. It’s a retract with the engine and insturments, in the boat stage with the spars done. You can call or e-mail me for more info or pictures. Steve Gainesville, FL 352-379-7673 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jul 2000 14:57:00 -0700 To: "Steven Vitrella" , "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Schmidt, Curtis" Subject: RE: KR> Good news / Bad news (KR2 for sale) Message-ID: <000011B6@kaydon.com> Steven: Congrats on your acceptance to the Navy! It's a great feeling, especially = when ya get to climb into a hot rod fighter! (I was in the Air Force). So your KR2 is for sale! How much and what's all there? Is it a package deal or will you sale off parts? I have a KR in the same stage but no engine or instruments so let me know,= I might be interested. Curtis Schmidt -----Original Message----- From: Steven Vitrella [SMTP:svitrella@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 2:35 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Cc: cschmidt@kaydon.com Subject: KR> Good news / Bad news (KR2 for sale) Well, the good news is that I got a phone call yesterday saying that I was accepted into the Navy pilot program! I'm very excited and can't wait to go. I leave for officer candidate school on Jan. 6th in Pensacola, FL--after I finish my bachelor's degree here at UF. The bad news is I won't have the time now to finish my KR2. So now I have to put it up for sale. It's a retract with the engine and insturments, in the boat stag= e with the spars done. You can call or e-mail me for more info or pictures. Steve Gainesville, FL 352-379-7673 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Bobby Whisenant Subject: Re: KR> KR! >This is Jerry Boggs' super KR1 stretched plane built in 1979. Has been >modified to fixed gear with an A75 Continental engine. Engine should be checked because of a hard landing. Does not have >starter but has place to mount starter. All instruments included. Has new >main spar and has been sanded to be repainted. $3500 OBO I am located in East Texas, thirty miles east of Lufkin. Must sell quickly due to relocation out of state and can't take it with me. For more info, my phone number is (936) 854-2644. Ask for Bobby. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:46:50 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: DONAN5@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Can't get carb heat Message-ID: <63.8024ee9.2697fe2a@aol.com> Got the electric heating element and have installed it on the posa really heats it up quickly Think this will take care of the carb ice problem Will check temp with a therm tomorrow to see ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 07:41:38 -0400 To: , From: "Tim Bellville" Subject: Re: KR> Can't get carb heat Message-ID: <001001bfe8d1$7c6891e0$79d12581@default> Don,can you give a description of the installation,I am very interested in this experiment. Tim Sonerai I N2206X ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 11:46 PM Subject: Re: KR> Can't get carb heat > Got the electric heating element and have installed it on the posa > > really heats it up quickly > Think this will take care of the carb ice problem > > Will check temp with a therm tomorrow > to see > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:15:04 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: rme114@juno.com Subject: Floats ? Message-ID: <20000707.221507.-377277.0.rme114@juno.com> Hi , this is Steve, Bisbee AZ, Does anyone out there have a KR on floats ? Would appreciate any thoughts or comments on the subject pro and con. rme114@juno.com Thanx. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:07:26 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Michael Taglieri Subject: Re: Bendix D-2000 Magneto Message-ID: <20000708.010806.9318.2.MikeT_NYC@juno.com> >My father is building a KR2 with a Revmaster 2100D motor using a Bendix = >D-2000 Magneto. It has a number stamped on it 29938. This motor has not = >run in 10 years and my father bought it as an unfinished project. He is = >now ready to start the motor but it does not seem to have a spark. > >Could anyone e-mail a wiring diagram or a diagram of how the Bendix = >Magneto works? There was an AD out on some old Bendix magnetos. Most of the bad ones were replaced with Slicks, but maybe not in a project that's sat for 10 years. Before you try to fly this, make sure the mag is not one of those. Mike Taglieri - miket_nyc@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:07:28 EDT To: bigm@pccare.net.au, krnet@mailinglists.org From: KRkip@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Bendix D-2000 Magneto Message-ID: <57.820c8f2.26994670@aol.com> The Revmaster 2100 is timed at 25degrees befor topdead center. This is determined at the initial timing of the mag to the engine using the split in the case and the markings onthe prop hub. The bendix mag was used on many engines and the timeing to start the engine was based on the impluse spring As there are many diffferent springs you have to make sure you have the right one. I have the complete parts manusl for the D2000/3000 series mags which lists all the different springs and their part numbers. I have found the best support for these from AERO MAG in Califorina. This gentleman used to work for Revmaster and now he seems to be ready and willing to help with any mag problems that you might have. I have his number here somewhere and will post it when i find it. If you call Revmaster they will get it for you. For what it is worth this same gentleman also builds the engines for the raceplane Nemesis.. Kip Lounsbury Lincoln Me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:25:16 -0700 To: KRNET From: Todd Servaes Subject: RE: Wing Skin Supplier Message-ID: <3966046C.10F4ABB9@netzero.net> --------------65D987EB0F48C85BED7D7F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Has anyone found a good source for wing skins. I checked Rands price and > it was (as I recall) $4200. I keep hearing of some for around $1300. > Any ideas? Hi All, The Rand Robinson KR -2S wing skins are expensive, but they are a major step up in technology. They use epoxy prepregs, honeycomb cores and are oven cured; thus they are lighter, more stable and more heat resistant than any wet lay-up construction can be even if done in a mold by a pro like Dan Diehl. In essence the RR wing skins bring Lancair technology to KR's. Mine equal our exceed the quality and design of any aircraft composite components I have seen: Lancair, Pulsar, Velocity, Glassair, and Europa. I guess if you want to equal or exceed the the best in the kit aircraft industry you have to pay a price simular to their's for this one most critical component. Todd Servaes KR-2S taservaes@netzero.net --------------65D987EB0F48C85BED7D7F50-- _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 09:55:13 +0100 To: "krnet user group" From: "macwood" Subject: Bouncing mail Message-ID: <003401bfe8ba$571331a0$4f563c3e@tinypc> ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BFE8C2.9C22F7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't understand what this is all about. I seem to be getting mail OK = ,but when I hit the "Reply all" key,only the addressee comes up in the = "To" slot. I'm new to this game, so I'm probably YFI-ing .Please = explain. Yrs Mac W ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BFE8C2.9C22F7A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 08:25:21 PDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org, STOL@onelist.com, a51@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Visio CAD Message-ID: <20000708152521.93012.qmail@hotmail.com> G'day, netters- An off-topic post, but if anybody has the CAD program Visio, please email me off-net if you can help with converting a .VSD file to .DXF for me. Thanks! Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:34:12 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Dave Vieira Subject: KR-1 Message-ID: <20000708183412.2613.qmail@web1005.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, What is the KR-1's 'G' rating? same as KR-2? would be considered for aerobatics? ===== Dave Vieira Ontario, Canada __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:31:05 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Greg S Martin Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Message-ID: <20000708.192130.-145421.0.idrawtobuild@juno.com> On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Dave Vieira writes: > Hello all, > > What is the KR-1's 'G' rating? same as KR-2? > > would be considered for aerobatics? > > > > ===== > Dave Vieira > Ontario, Canada I've had two KR-1's (one burned in a house fire and one I have now is in the shop right now for mods) and I would say that you could do some mild (no snap) maneuvers. It's the vertical tail assembly that I have the real concern about with snap maneuvers and speed. This one doesn't have any thing extra done to the vertical stabilizer than what's called for in the plans. I have done loops, rolls, chandelles. But I never exceeded 150mph at the bottom of a loop. That's still about 2 1/2 to 3 G's in an easy pull out. And if your weather is some what like Southern California. Do it in the morning as the air is calm. By the way, are you thinking of building or buying a ONE or have you got it in your possession now? Good luck and happy building and/or flying. Greg Martin, idrawtobuild@juno.com 1783 Glenwood Court Bakersfield, California 93306 work 661-861-0570, fax 861-0517 home 661-872-8781, fax 871-1822 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:15:14 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Compufire Message-ID: <9c.54f9ef5.269901f2@aol.com> I have flown a 009 and currently have a Slick Mag. I keep hearing about the Compufire Electronic ignition system. Help me out Netters, What is the compufire???? What components make up the system and How much does it cost. Why a compufire and not a mag, or 009. Orma A&P with Inspection Authorization aviationmech@aol.com http://members.aol.com/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:48:01 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Compufire Message-ID: <001501bfe92e$922c7de0$a5f780ce@300emachine> Orma wrote: > Help me out Netters, What is the > compufire???? What components make up the system and How much does it cost. > Why a compufire and not a mag, or 009. The Compu-Fire is an electronic "set of points" for the Bosch 009 distributor. It's the blue thing that replaces the distributor cap shown at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/98120614.jpg. It also comes with it's own pair of coils, seen fastened to the fan shroud in the picture. It delivers a much hotter spark, but IF it fails, it will fail immediately, leaving you up the creek without a paddle. For that reason, it is a great primary ignition system, but some sort of backup (like a mag or a crank triggered electronic system and an MSD "coil switcher") is good to have. You might could even use the same pair of coils and just add two crank triggers, if you knew what you were doing, but then you wouldn't have advance, but who cares at 3000 rpm? I've had a Compu-Fire on my Karmann Ghia for 7 or 8 years, and I LOVE it! They're about $200-$250, and Great Plains (http://www.greatplainsas.com/welcome.html ) sells them, along with others as found in Hot VWs magazines (buy it from Steve and support one of the few VW aircraft engine guys left!). Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 06:05:56 -0700 To: From: "Tom Kilgore" Subject: Re: KR> Compufire Message-ID: <001901bfe9a6$6bbf3800$0d12ea18@lvcablemodem.com> Mark is correct, however they also make a cheaper "points eliminator" which is simply a disk with 4 magnets that fits just below your existing rotor and an electronic pickup that fits in place of the original points, no other changes except for connecting the pickup wire to the coil. About $60. I installed one in my Porsche 914 last year. The old points just wouldn't fire the plugs hot enough and it would start to miss a little above 4k rpm. With the Compufire, it's smooth and powerful all the way to redline and the car now runs like it should. I think that Steve at Great Plains has it also since I overheard him telling Jim Faughn about it at the gathering a couple of years ago when he was having trouble with points in his KR. Tom Kilgore Las Vegas, NV tkilgore@lvcm.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 3:48 PM Subject: Re: KR> Compufire > Orma wrote: > > > Help me out Netters, What is the > > compufire???? What components make up the system and How much does it > cost. > > Why a compufire and not a mag, or 009. > > The Compu-Fire is an electronic "set of points" for the Bosch 009 > distributor. It's the blue thing that replaces the distributor cap shown at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/98120614.jpg. It also comes with it's own > pair of coils, seen fastened to the fan shroud in the picture. It delivers > a much hotter spark, but IF it fails, it will fail immediately, leaving you > up the creek without a paddle. For that reason, it is a great primary > ignition system, but some sort of backup (like a mag or a crank triggered > electronic system and an MSD "coil switcher") is good to have. You might > could even use the same pair of coils and just add two crank triggers, if > you knew what you were doing, but then you wouldn't have advance, but who > cares at 3000 rpm? I've had a Compu-Fire on my Karmann Ghia for 7 or 8 > years, and I LOVE it! > > They're about $200-$250, and Great Plains > (http://www.greatplainsas.com/welcome.html ) sells them, along with others > as found in Hot VWs magazines (buy it from Steve and support one of the few > VW aircraft engine guys left!). > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 20:28:51 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Airnut98@aol.com Subject: v.w. type-4--2600c.c. Message-ID: lets hear the good ,the bad,and ugly. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:04:38 -0500 To: From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: KR-1 project for sale Message-ID: <000b01bfe952$6b8a9ea0$020110ac@dad> KRnetters, I have a KR-1 project for sale, with a zero time Monnett conversion 1700cc VW (no carb or mag). Boat stage on standard retracts. Included are wheels, tires, mechanical brakes, tinted canopy. Most controls installed. Removeable fiberglass seat. Outer spars built. Horizontal stab and elevator (with built-in trim tab) ready for paint. No further foam or fiberglass work done. No instruments. In clean, dry storage for many years. I will include the KR-1B long wing (motorglider version) plans. Everything for $1200.00. Located Central Illinois. If there seems to be little interest, I plan to place it on an auction site. Will e-mail pictures on request. Will be happy to answer your questions. Ed Janssen ejanssen@chipsnet.com ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************