From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 5 Aug 2000 23:51:32 -0000 Issue 69 Date: Saturday, August 05, 2000 3:51 PM krnet Digest 5 Aug 2000 23:51:32 -0000 Issue 69 Topics (messages 1499 through 1528): Re: thrust line? 1499 by: AviationMech.aol.com 1501 by: WA7YXF.aol.com 1502 by: Wolf Packs, Inc Re: Dynel 1500 by: AviationMech.aol.com 1519 by: N925SG 1522 by: Frank Ross 1523 by: Mike Mims Conventional Retracts 1503 by: Derek Naude Epoxy & Polyester ... 1504 by: APECORAR.steelcase.com Lurker looking for KR2 1505 by: Michael Sharp engine for sale 1506 by: Richard Parker 1508 by: flykr2s.execpc.com 1509 by: Richard Parker 1512 by: George "inspectors"of experimentals 1507 by: Bob Smith 1518 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER Thrust line question 1510 by: Seifert, Richard E 1514 by: Ronald R. Eason Gear latch springs 1511 by: Seifert, Richard E Re: Kansas 1513 by: terry spinners 1515 by: Schmidt, Curtis Re: krnet Digest 4 Aug 2000 01:48:51 -0000 Issue 68 - thrust line 1516 by: Joseph H. Horton 1520 by: Joseph H. Horton Re: kr2 for sale] 1517 by: jwells1.impop.bellatlantic.net Re: KR cloth 1521 by: Richard Parker Update, will it fly?? YES 1524 by: AviationMech.aol.com Havelock Flying Club annual fly-in 1525 by: Gaston Landry 1526 by: Robert Stone 1527 by: Gaston Landry 1528 by: Gaston Landry Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:48:13 EDT To: langford@hiwaay.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> thrust line? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/3/00 8:35:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, langford@hiwaay.net writes: > Depending on > which drawing you look at you can come up with just about any number you > want. Mark, I don't have my plans available to refer to, so anything that I say is probably based on a guess and some BS. The premolded fwd deck and cowling follow the line of the top longeron. The fwd deck sits on top of the longeron and the cowling top half follows the same line. Thus, the opening in the center of the front of the cowl marks the center and thrust line. The engine mount drawing probably only considers the strength of the fuselage/ firewall structure and identifies the best area to attach the mount to. So, I think that it is safe to say that in as far as the plans are concerned the thrust line for a KR built using the premolded parts is the line identified by the upper longeron extended to the end of the cowling. As you say any KR built with the intent of using other engine/cowling combinations, you could locate the thrust line as you like. Any alternate location would force you the rethink the design and loading of the firewall and fuselage structure as it relates to the stress of the engine attachment. Of the three gear options (Rand retract, Rand fixed, and Diehl) The Rand fixed offers the greatest ground clearence. I have a 54 inch prop and still have over 4" available in level attitude. With the Bigger engine I'm sure that clearence is an issue. Orma A&P /IA KR builder/driver N110LR aviationmech@aol.com http://members.aol.com/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:37:12 EDT To: langford@hiwaay.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: WA7YXF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> thrust line? Message-ID: <48.91f95c1.26bba278@aol.com> Mark, An early news letter quoted the thrust line as .8 + - .2 below the top surface of the top longeron.. I started a conversation here on the net last year about this because in looking at photo's there seems to be quite a verity. The response was that it really didn't make much difference.. As to prop diameter it used to be stated in the tail dragger days you needed 9" of ground clearance. Now days with nose wheels its not so critical and pretty much a personal responsibility. Tony Bingeli states in his book that some inspectors may insist on a minimum clearance ??? Also note it is generally accepted that the propeller diameter should be larger for efficient low airspeed operations, and smaller for high airspeeds ??? This all relates to a conversation off the net we are having right now about p-factor. As the KR was designed to be powered with a light weight, high rpm, short prop VW engine... I have been looking into this as I'm putting a lyc 0-235 in mine and wondering about the possibilities of using some offset.. 1/2 degree or so... Today I have the plane finished firewall back, wheel farings too, primed and ready to paint as soon as the paint gets here.....This winter I do firewall forward. I'll send some updated pictures for your KRs under construction site.. Lynn Hyder WA7YXF N37LH Redmond, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 01:26:35 -0700 To: AviationMech@aol.com, langford@hiwaay.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Wolf Packs, Inc" Subject: Re: KR> thrust line? Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000804011501.00ae8ce0@pop.mindspring.com> > I'd think that the thrust line coincides with the top of the >longeron. But looking at the KR2S side view (on the C size promotional >drawing) you'd think it was about 2" lower than the longeron. >The fwd deck sits on top of the longeron and the cowling top half follows >the same line. > snip< So, >I think that it is safe to say that in as far as the plans are concerned the >thrust line for a KR built using the premolded parts is the line identified >by the upper longeron extended to the end of the cowling. And remember that the prop. hole is a few inches (don't know exactly) below the split line of the two cowling halves. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:47:50 EDT To: rlspjs@dashlink.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Dynel Message-ID: <6e.1c947be.26bb7ac6@aol.com> In a message dated 8/3/00 8:52:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rlspjs@dashlink.com writes: > Does anyone know if dynel cloth is still available. In 83 dynel was available and part of N110LR was constructed with the cloth. It was great to work with. I dropped a screw driver on one of the parts and the driver went thru the cloth and resin matrix with ease. I'm sure better materials are available unless you just can't work around glass fibers. Orma A&P /IA KR builder/driver N110LR aviationmech@aol.com http://members.aol.com/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:33:15 -0700 To: , , From: "N925SG" Subject: Re: KR> Dynel Message-ID: <001101bffe74$bffdb580$107bd6ce@glover> I have a whole roll of it... Make an offer...... Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 6:47 PM Subject: Re: KR> Dynel > In a message dated 8/3/00 8:52:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rlspjs@dashlink.com writes: > > > Does anyone know if dynel cloth is still available. > In 83 dynel was available and part of N110LR was constructed with the cloth. > It was great to work with. I dropped a screw driver on one of the parts and > the driver went thru the cloth and resin matrix with ease. I'm sure better > materials are available unless you just can't work around glass fibers. > > Orma > A&P /IA KR builder/driver N110LR > aviationmech@aol.com > http://members.aol.com/aviationmech > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 09:35:37 -0700 (PDT) To: N925SG , AviationMech@aol.com, rlspjs@dashlink.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Dynel Message-ID: <20000805163537.9800.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> All this talk about Dynel got me wondering...If I bought a plane originally made with Dynel and it needed repairs, do I have to repair with Dynel? Steve, does your roll indicate who made it or what another name for the fabric might be? I understand it is very easy to work with and doesn't have a lot of the skin irritation problems that fiberglass does. Could it be used for KR2 construction? I know stronger products are readily available, but are they necessary? Thanks. Frank Ross, San Antonio TX --- N925SG wrote: > I have a whole roll of it... Make an offer...... > > Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 6:47 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Dynel > > > > In a message dated 8/3/00 8:52:28 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > > rlspjs@dashlink.com writes: > > > > > Does anyone know if dynel cloth is still > available. > > In 83 dynel was available and part of N110LR was > constructed with the > cloth. > > It was great to work with. I dropped a screw > driver on one of the parts > and > > the driver went thru the cloth and resin matrix > with ease. I'm sure > better > > materials are available unless you just can't work > around glass fibers. > > > > Orma > > A&P /IA KR builder/driver N110LR > > aviationmech@aol.com > > http://members.aol.com/aviationmech > > ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 09:41:58 -0700 From: Mike Mims CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Dynel Message-ID: <398C43D6.E9ACF45C@home.com> Frank Ross wrote: > I know stronger products are readily available, but are they necessary? Thanks. Frank Ross, San Antonio TX>>> Go for a ride and ask for a 180 mph high speed pass and look out at the wings. Yes stronger material is desired. Does fiberglass really bother ones skin or is it the epoxy? -- __________________ Micheal Mims Trying to get this thing done! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://explanes.com/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:49:16 +0200 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: Derek Naude Subject: Conventional Retracts Message-ID: <01202F16A412D311B448009027718ADF016BAB@RANMSG01> Hi all, Can anyone help me with sketches or CAD drawings for a retract system which has the wheels folding in towards the fuselage and completely concealing the wheels (Conventional Retract) within the aerofoil for a tail dragger KR-2 or 2s. Mark has informed me that Don Betchan has built a "neat" retract and if anyone has sketches it will be appreciated. Thanks Derek Naude South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:43:00 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: APECORAR@steelcase.com Subject: Epoxy & Polyester ... Message-ID: There was a question about a week ago concerning the compatibility of epoxy and polyester resin. I don't have the referencing document but if I recall correctly, someone stated that you can put epoxy over polyester, but not the other way around. If the above statement is correct, does this also apply to fillers? I noticed that many fillers have polyester resins in them. In RR's product catalog, they sell RR structural epoxy resin for the fiberglass work and Featherfill as the filler - this is a polyester-based product. The following description is from Wick's Online: FEATHER FILL Used for filling scratches, blemishes and exposed fiberglass threads before final sanding and painting. Sprayable polyester filler cures in 45-60 minutes. Catalyst included in kit. 1 catalyst per quart, 4 per gallon. UPS ground shipping only. However, I notice that SuperFil is epoxy-based: SUPERFIL EPOXY FILLER Epoxy resin with non-MDA hardener - ships non hazardous. Use as you would an epoxy micro slurry. Mix by weight for best results. Scuff-sand smooth surfaces before application. Trowel or squeegee to desired thickness. EP420 primer may be applied directly over dried superfil. Mix by weight 2 parts A to 1 part B. Cure to sand - 12 hours at 77°, pot life 1 hour at 77°. Can be used on many substrates such as wood, fiberglass and metals. I am using the West System Epoxy for my fiberglass work. Does this mean I have to steer clear of polyester-based fillers and use only epoxy-based fillers, or can I use a polyester-based fillers over my epoxy layups? Please cc: me in the reply because I only receive the digest. Albert Pecoraro apecorar@steelcase.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:31:25 CDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Michael Sharp" Subject: Lurker looking for KR2 Message-ID: Hey out there! I'm a new Lurker out here. I'm looking for a KR2 project, either completed or in the works. If anyone knows of one out there, please let me know....... I'm located in Texas, but will travel..... Thanks, mike ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:00:50 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: engine for sale Message-ID: I am going to be selling my ea-81 subaru conversion somewhere in the neighborhood of $1100. It still needs an intake manifold, and radiator setup etc. I'll also through in a Hapi Supercarb (35 mm Posa) with an assortment of needles and all of the accessories that I have. The conversion was done by Dan Woodward at KnightHawke. Dan is an EAA Tech Counselor and has built lots of subaru conversions for gyrocopters and aircraft including the first turbine powered controllable prop gyrocopter. He makes the hubs and other parts for most of the other subaru conversion companies. I can deliver it to Dan's facility if you want him to complete installation of motor mount, intake manifold and some of the accessories that you might want. His prices can be beat. Contact me for pictures and details. The only reason I'm selling it is that I got a schweeet deal on a low mileage corvair. The corvair engine I picked up is from a 66 that was put up on blocks in 1980 and had been there since. It only has 28K miles on it. The person I bought it from put new seals in, rebuilt the carburetors, alternator, distributor and replaced all gaskets etc. It looks like a brand new engine. I thought he was going to cry when I told him I would be stripping it to use in an aircraft as he is a big corvair fan (after I paid him) Pictures of the new engine and its progress can be seen at http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/corvair.htm Rich Parker Peterborough NH ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:17:01 -0500 To: "Richard Parker" From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> engine for sale Message-Id: <200008041417.JAA03034@mailgw02.execpc.com> Richard, That is the cleanest and nicest used Corvair engine I have ever seen. I must say you have an exceptionally good engine for converting. I am curious as to what you paid. That would probably really make everyone jealous if you got it at a reasonable price. Mark Jones > I am going to be selling my ea-81 subaru conversion somewhere in the > neighborhood of $1100. It still needs an intake manifold, and radiator setup > etc. I'll also through in a Hapi Supercarb (35 mm Posa) with an assortment > of needles and all of the accessories that I have. > > The conversion was done by Dan Woodward at KnightHawke. Dan is an EAA Tech > Counselor and has built lots of subaru conversions for gyrocopters and > aircraft including the first turbine powered controllable prop gyrocopter. > He makes the hubs and other parts for most of the other subaru conversion > companies. I can deliver it to Dan's facility if you want him to complete > installation of motor mount, intake manifold and some of the accessories > that you might want. His prices can be beat. Contact me for pictures and > details. > > The only reason I'm selling it is that I got a schweeet deal on a low > mileage corvair. The corvair engine I picked up is from a 66 that was put up > on blocks in 1980 and had been there since. It only has 28K miles on it. The > person I bought it from put new seals in, rebuilt the carburetors, > alternator, distributor and replaced all gaskets etc. It looks like a brand > new engine. I thought he was going to cry when I told him I would be > stripping it to use in an aircraft as he is a big corvair fan (after I paid > him) > > Pictures of the new engine and its progress can be seen at > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/corvair.htm > > Rich Parker > Peterborough NH > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:26:17 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> engine for sale Message-ID: Well after that comment I have to share this with the rest of the krnet I paid $206.00 learned about it from someone on the krnet. It was on Ebay. Rich >From: flykr2s@execpc.com >To: "Richard Parker" >CC: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> engine for sale >Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:17:01 -0500 > >Richard, >That is the cleanest and nicest used Corvair engine I have ever seen. >I must say you have an exceptionally good engine for converting. I am >curious as to what you paid. That would probably really make everyone >jealous if you got it at a reasonable price. >Mark Jones > > > > > I am going to be selling my ea-81 subaru conversion somewhere in the > > neighborhood of $1100. It still needs an intake manifold, and >radiator setup > > etc. I'll also through in a Hapi Supercarb (35 mm Posa) with an >assortment > > of needles and all of the accessories that I have. > > > > The conversion was done by Dan Woodward at KnightHawke. Dan is an >EAA Tech > > Counselor and has built lots of subaru conversions for gyrocopters >and > > aircraft including the first turbine powered controllable prop >gyrocopter. > > He makes the hubs and other parts for most of the other subaru >conversion > > companies. I can deliver it to Dan's facility if you want him to >complete > > installation of motor mount, intake manifold and some of the >accessories > > that you might want. His prices can be beat. Contact me for >pictures and > > details. > > > > The only reason I'm selling it is that I got a schweeet deal on a >low > > mileage corvair. The corvair engine I picked up is from a 66 that >was put up > > on blocks in 1980 and had been there since. It only has 28K miles on >it. The > > person I bought it from put new seals in, rebuilt the carburetors, > > alternator, distributor and replaced all gaskets etc. It looks like >a brand > > new engine. I thought he was going to cry when I told him I would be > > stripping it to use in an aircraft as he is a big corvair fan >(after I paid > > him) > > > > Pictures of the new engine and its progress can be seen at > > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/corvair.htm > > > > Rich Parker > > Peterborough NH > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:49:06 -0400 To: "Richard Parker" , From: "George" Subject: Re: KR> engine for sale Message-ID: <005e01bffe23$243dbec0$6401a8c0@megapathdsl.net> I was looking at it also. decided not to bid it, it is 95HP (serial# TI206RG) But how you can you go wrong with that price? ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Parker To: Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 10:26 AM Subject: Re: KR> engine for sale > Well after that comment I have to share this with the rest of the krnet > > I paid $206.00 learned about it from someone on the krnet. It was on Ebay. > > Rich > > > > >From: flykr2s@execpc.com > >To: "Richard Parker" > >CC: krnet@mailinglists.org > >Subject: Re: KR> engine for sale > >Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:17:01 -0500 > > > >Richard, > >That is the cleanest and nicest used Corvair engine I have ever seen. > >I must say you have an exceptionally good engine for converting. I am > >curious as to what you paid. That would probably really make everyone > >jealous if you got it at a reasonable price. > >Mark Jones > > > > > > > > > I am going to be selling my ea-81 subaru conversion somewhere in the > > > neighborhood of $1100. It still needs an intake manifold, and > >radiator setup > > > etc. I'll also through in a Hapi Supercarb (35 mm Posa) with an > >assortment > > > of needles and all of the accessories that I have. > > > > > > The conversion was done by Dan Woodward at KnightHawke. Dan is an > >EAA Tech > > > Counselor and has built lots of subaru conversions for gyrocopters > >and > > > aircraft including the first turbine powered controllable prop > >gyrocopter. > > > He makes the hubs and other parts for most of the other subaru > >conversion > > > companies. I can deliver it to Dan's facility if you want him to > >complete > > > installation of motor mount, intake manifold and some of the > >accessories > > > that you might want. His prices can be beat. Contact me for > >pictures and > > > details. > > > > > > The only reason I'm selling it is that I got a schweeet deal on a > >low > > > mileage corvair. The corvair engine I picked up is from a 66 that > >was put up > > > on blocks in 1980 and had been there since. It only has 28K miles on > >it. The > > > person I bought it from put new seals in, rebuilt the carburetors, > > > alternator, distributor and replaced all gaskets etc. It looks like > >a brand > > > new engine. I thought he was going to cry when I told him I would be > > > stripping it to use in an aircraft as he is a big corvair fan > >(after I paid > > > him) > > > > > > Pictures of the new engine and its progress can be seen at > > > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/corvair.htm > > > > > > Rich Parker > > > Peterborough NH > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:07:23 -0700 To: From: "Bob Smith" Subject: "inspectors"of experimentals Message-ID: <001901bffe36$7598cae0$999d1918@nycap.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BFFDFB.C8EF2E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From reading KRnet I see plenty of references to having a tough = "inspector" watching over the KR project. I know that EAA wants one of their technical advisors to check a project = 3 times during construction for insurance purposes. But the only EAA = guy I could find in my area doesn't seem to know much about composite = construction so even when he shows up, I don't feel that he offers any = concrete suggestions. And when I called the local FAA office they just said "call us when you = are done". I feel like I'm completely on my own. Thank God for KRnet, its the only = good advice I can get. So where do these "tough inspectors" come from??? I wish I had one. Bob Smith ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BFFDFB.C8EF2E40-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 19:12:36 -0400 To: , "Bob Smith" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> "inspectors"of experimentals Message-ID: I'm tech counselor #4126, and a designee before that. Available in South Florida spring and fall, Kokomo Indiana summer and xmas holidays. Tough but cheap. Don't like fibreglass fuel tanks. Don't like posa carbs. What you get is advice, use it any way you wish. Three documented visits qualify you for insurance privleges from Avemco; other that that, the number of visits is up to you. The FAA does not ask for any TC feedback. I've found many discrepancies after the Feds are done. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Smith [mailto:rsmith5@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 1:07 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> "inspectors"of experimentals From reading KRnet I see plenty of references to having a tough "inspector" watching over the KR project. I know that EAA wants one of their technical advisors to check a project 3 times during construction for insurance purposes. But the only EAA guy I could find in my area doesn't seem to know much about composite construction so even when he shows up, I don't feel that he offers any concrete suggestions. And when I called the local FAA office they just said "call us when you are done". I feel like I'm completely on my own. Thank God for KRnet, its the only good advice I can get. So where do these "tough inspectors" come from??? I wish I had one. Bob Smith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:33:07 -0700 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "Seifert, Richard E" Subject: Thrust line question Message-Id: Mark Langford wrote: Anybody every actually SEEN a published thrust line location for the KR2 or 2S? Hi Mark; Yes I fabricated my own steel tube engine mount from plans published in an old issue of the KR Newsletter. This mount was for a HAPI accessory case conversion to my VW 2100 engine. It used a four bolt connection to the firewall and located the thrust line .8 inches below the center line of the top two firewall bolts. I have been using this location with a 54" x 54" prop on my retract KR-2 without problems. I am currently building a new mount for my 110 Corvair engine and intend to use that same location. Since my retract sits lower than your fixed gear you should be able go larger than 54" at this location. I can't tell you which issue the motor mount plans came from but I could fax you a copy of the plans if you're interested. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:27:56 -0500 To: "Seifert, Richard E" , From: "Ronald R. Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Thrust line question Message-ID: <000b01bffe39$56f8cc40$657239ce@winbook> Early RR plans showed this also. -----Original Message----- From: Seifert, Richard E To: 'krnet@mailinglists.org' Date: Friday, August 04, 2000 9:33 AM Subject: KR> Thrust line question > Mark Langford wrote: Anybody every actually SEEN a published thrust line >location for the KR2 or 2S? > Hi Mark; Yes I fabricated my own steel tube engine mount from plans >published in an old issue of the KR Newsletter. This mount was for a HAPI >accessory case conversion to my VW 2100 engine. It used a four bolt >connection to the firewall and located the thrust line .8 inches below the >center line of the top two firewall bolts. I have been using this location >with a 54" x 54" prop on my retract KR-2 without problems. I am currently >building a new mount for my 110 Corvair engine and intend to use that same >location. Since my retract sits lower than your fixed gear you should be >able go larger than 54" at this location. I can't tell you which issue the >motor mount plans came from but I could fax you a copy of the plans if >you're interested. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:44:44 -0700 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "Seifert, Richard E" Subject: Gear latch springs Message-Id: A great many retract pilots have found the mouse trap springs to be inadequate and have converted to small coil springs located forward of the latch and have tied the two latches together via a small cable and three pulleys so that when the pilot side latch is tripped the passenger side latch is also tripped. I have used this method for many years without a problem. Rich Seifert KR-2 (N56SR) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:35:28 -0500 To: "terry" , "Ronald R. Eason" , , From: "terry" Subject: Re: KR> Kansas Message-Id: <200008041634.e74GYoq27837@sard.southwind.net> > Planning on having a cook out and camp out saturday August 12th around 6:00 > PM at Marion, KS Airport. [ 43K] I will have my KR2 that I am flying and > my KR2s about half done there and should have another KR2 there and some > other KR2 builders. Just got my kr2 runing good had one mag droup off on runup . had new distribater block put in and still cut out on two clyd. had plug wires check and had two bad wires . and still cut out on one clyd. had the plugs bead blasted and that did the trick been cleaning the plugs with a wire brush so the wire brush don't get the lead offf but the plug did look clean . and learn a new trick if you put some blue chalk on the exhaust pipe next to the clyd . the clyd that cutting out will still be blue . Camp out cook out got a pitts coming to give us a air show maybe and ww11 bomber pilot speaker after the diner and Im going to give a fiber glass layup dimo. so it be a late night and bring a jackit the night are getting cool this is going to be in a hanger and out side.plan on coming around 4;00 pm . TERRY CHIZEK CHITL@SOUTHWIND.NET ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 2000 15:10:00 -0700 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Schmidt, Curtis" Subject: spinners Message-ID: <000095BD@kaydon.com> HEY GUYS: Can anyone tell me the size of spinner/nosecone that's used on most KR2's thanks = CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:09:10 -0400 To: krnet-digest-help@mailinglists.org From: "Joseph H. Horton" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: krnet Digest 4 Aug 2000 01:48:51 -0000 Issue 68 - thrust line Message-ID: <20000804.180910.-294561.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Mark, From a conversation with Rand Robinson a few years ago and a couple calls to other builders at the same time I had aways believed that the thurst line was the top longeron. But now that you bring up the question I don't find any hard proof of it. Maybe someone with a RR engine mount would be able to figure out where the thrust line was designed for. Like you I was looking for as much prop space as possible. Happy building Joe H. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 20:27:49 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Fw: Re: krnet Digest 4 Aug 2000 01:48:51 -0000 Issue 68 - thrust line Message-ID: <20000804.203539.-320245.1.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Joseph H. Horton To: krnet-digest-help@mailinglists.org Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:09:10 -0400 Subject: Re: krnet Digest 4 Aug 2000 01:48:51 -0000 Issue 68 - thrust line Message-ID: <20000804.180910.-294561.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> Mark, From a conversation with Rand Robinson a few years ago and a couple calls to other builders at the same time I had aways believed that the thurst line was the top longeron. But now that you bring up the question I don't find any hard proof of it. Maybe someone with a RR engine mount would be able to figure out where the thrust line was designed for. Like you I was looking for as much prop space as possible. Happy building Joe H. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! 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I'm sure >better > > materials are available unless you just can't work around glass fibers. > > > > Orma > > A&P /IA KR builder/driver N110LR > > aviationmech@aol.com > > http://members.aol.com/aviationmech > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 18:55:38 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Update, will it fly?? YES Message-ID: Well, the worlds longest engine change is over. At 0940 this morning tower gave N110LR the order to pass over the short runway(27R) and without delay taxi to 27L, our long parallel runway. At first I had thought that I would do some taxi runs, but it felt natural, just like old times, not at all like 2 years 8 month and 4 days. As I got to the big runway(100ftx10000, I just kept rolling, pushing the throttle in picking the tail up and watch the AS increased and the centerline passed under the nose. It was like old times, just like we knew what we were doing. The wind was calm and the sky looked inviting. I was much too excited to take in the big picture. I did notice that at 60 Kts the VSI read 400fpm. The Tach indicated 3000. The CHT was just under 400 the EGT seemed high at 1400. On downwind(2700RPM), it statred to cool. I Only made it once around the patch. The trim tab that I modified (extended) did not have suffient hinge support on the added segments and the tab started to flutter after lift off. Before I made the turn to downwind, the stick started to feel like one of those corp jet stick shakers. The flutter gained intensity on downwind. After landing I determined that my poor little trim tab would not have made another trip around the pattern. I had given one of the airport Bum's(building a Falco) my handy cam and he recorded the event for me. I happened to catch Mike the Owner of Aeroworks (an excellent place for hardware) and got a new piece of hinge and I will install it tomorrow. And then I'll have time to check out all the aircraft systems and see if I maed any gains in performance. As of today I'm sure that my room reservation for Barkley will be filled as planned. Orma A&P /IA KR builder/driver N110LR aviationmech@aol.com http://members.aol.com/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:16:32 ADT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Gaston Landry" Subject: Havelock Flying Club annual fly-in Message-ID: <20000805231632.99901.qmail@hotmail.com> I just got home from my first fly-in (since childhood, that is)... I had a blast!! we got tickets for draws for free flights. in the first draw after I got there, 2 of my 4 numbers got picked (we got one for each member of the family), so I went up with my 6 year old son... he loved it... huge grin :o) Then, I saw what surprised me... a kr-2!! in Havelock!! Turns out he was from Nova Scotia. (can't remember his name or city, offhand, but they're recorded for posterity on a film I have yet to get developped. I took quite a few pics of 2 Hummelbirds, a Jodel (built in 66), and, of course, the kr-2... as soon as I can get them scanned, I'll put them up and let you all know the url... I wish the kr owner had been a little more talkative, but I think he was more preoccupied with enjoying his weekend there, and relaxing, which I can fully understand... Anyways, I just had to share that... Running around, arms in the air, making airplane noises... Gaston ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:26:32 -0500 To: "Gaston Landry" From: "Robert Stone" Cc: "KRNet" Subject: Re: KR> Havelock Flying Club annual fly-in Message-ID: <001001bffffd$c21db9c0$bdeb18d0@pavilion> Gaston: Where is Havelock flying club Bob Stone rlspjs@dashlink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaston Landry" To: Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 3:16 PM Subject: KR> Havelock Flying Club annual fly-in > I just got home from my first fly-in (since childhood, that is)... > I had a blast!! we got tickets for draws for free flights. in the first > draw after I got there, 2 of my 4 numbers got picked (we got one for each > member of the family), so I went up with my 6 year old son... he loved it... > huge grin :o) > Then, I saw what surprised me... a kr-2!! in Havelock!! Turns out he was > from Nova Scotia. (can't remember his name or city, offhand, but they're > recorded for posterity on a film I have yet to get developped. > I took quite a few pics of 2 Hummelbirds, a Jodel (built in 66), and, of > course, the kr-2... as soon as I can get them scanned, I'll put them up and > let you all know the url... > I wish the kr owner had been a little more talkative, but I think he was > more preoccupied with enjoying his weekend there, and relaxing, which I can > fully understand... > > Anyways, I just had to share that... > > > Running around, arms in the air, making airplane noises... > > Gaston > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:41:07 ADT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Gaston Landry" Subject: Re: KR> Havelock Flying Club annual fly-in Message-ID: <20000805234107.91685.qmail@hotmail.com> forgot to mention an unfortunate mishap, sometime between 1:30 and 2:00... an experimental (can't remember what kind) came in for a hard landing, one of the wings touched ground, and the plane flipped over... I saw it happen, and my heart dropped as I saw the tail come over, and I started running, then realized there would be about a dozen or so people there before me, so I walked the rest of the way. By the time I got there, they had the plane back on its wheels, and the pilot was out, unharmed (physically, at least). So I helped pick up debris from the runway, as they pushed the plane off to the side. I would've gotten pics of the plane, but felt like it would've been tasteless to pull out the camera right then right there... The plane sustained some damage, mainly to firewall-forawrd, where the engine looked to have been snapped off the mount, as well the canopy was damaged somewhat, and the tail got a some winor scraping, where it'll need a bit of surgery.... >From: "Gaston Landry" >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> Havelock Flying Club annual fly-in >Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:16:32 ADT > >I just got home from my first fly-in (since childhood, that is)... >I had a blast!! we got tickets for draws for free flights. in the first >draw after I got there, 2 of my 4 numbers got picked (we got one for each >member of the family), so I went up with my 6 year old son... he loved >it... >huge grin :o) >Then, I saw what surprised me... a kr-2!! in Havelock!! Turns out he was >from Nova Scotia. (can't remember his name or city, offhand, but they're >recorded for posterity on a film I have yet to get developped. >I took quite a few pics of 2 Hummelbirds, a Jodel (built in 66), and, of >course, the kr-2... as soon as I can get them scanned, I'll put them up and >let you all know the url... >I wish the kr owner had been a little more talkative, but I think he was >more preoccupied with enjoying his weekend there, and relaxing, which I can >fully understand... > >Anyways, I just had to share that... > > >Running around, arms in the air, making airplane noises... > >Gaston > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > Running around, arms in the air, making airplane noises... Gaston ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 20:51:46 ADT To: rlspjs@dashlink.com From: "Gaston Landry" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Havelock Flying Club annual fly-in Message-ID: <20000805235146.92349.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: "Robert Stone" >Reply-To: "Robert Stone" >To: "Gaston Landry" >CC: "KRNet" >Subject: Re: KR> Havelock Flying Club annual fly-in >Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:26:32 -0500 > >Gaston: Where is Havelock flying club > > Bob >Stone > >rlspjs@dashlink.com > Sorry... Havelock is a small community about 20-25 minutes west of Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada... sould've mentionned that in the OP... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gaston Landry" >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 3:16 PM >Subject: KR> Havelock Flying Club annual fly-in > > > > I just got home from my first fly-in (since childhood, that is)... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************