From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 18 Aug 2000 19:03:23 -0000 Issue 76 Date: Friday, August 18, 2000 11:04 AM krnet Digest 18 Aug 2000 19:03:23 -0000 Issue 76 Topics (messages 1665 through 1694): Safety 1665 by: Garland, Norm F 1666 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com 1669 by: larry flesner 1679 by: AviationMech.aol.com 1687 by: Robert Stone 1691 by: Mike Mims Re: Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft 1667 by: Edwin Blocher 1671 by: SLemke1.aol.com 1672 by: SLemke1.aol.com 1675 by: Ross Youngblood 1677 by: Ross Youngblood 1678 by: Ross Youngblood 1681 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) 1682 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) 1686 by: James Sellars shipping 1668 by: Richard Parker 1835 VW and Insturments for sale 1670 by: Steven Vitrella Sky Smith 1673 by: Ross Youngblood Re: insurance 1674 by: Ross Youngblood Re: Re:Brakes 1676 by: Ross Youngblood Safty 1680 by: rme114.juno.com WAF 1683 by: Schmidt, Curtis 1684 by: Schmidt, Curtis 1685 by: Mark Langford 1690 by: Jerry Mahurin 1692 by: Schmidt, Curtis 1693 by: Edwin Blocher Re: corvaircraft: Engine Isolators 1688 by: David Mullins 1694 by: Richard Parker webpage update/progress 1689 by: John Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:52:54 -0400 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "Garland, Norm F" Subject: Safety Message-id: <613309F30B6DD2118C020000F809376C0559B321@emss03m09.orl.lmco.com> The message is: A Properly constructed homebuilt, one that is one that is built using good plans and proper materials/procedures, will be much better than anything built by an assembly line or job shop. Most builders that trust their life to the airplane will go the extra step and do the extra something that could or will cost more or take more time. Does this mean that assembly line or job shoppers are not good at their job? NO. It means that they may not have as much riding on the results of their efforts. The majority of homebuilts that have problems happen when the homebuilder just wants to get into the air as FAST and CHEAP as possible. They tend to cut corners in materials and training needed to properly build an aircraft. I've watched A&P's, Auto Tech. and Missile tech's do some things that, even though it may meet the intent of the requirements, I would not let fly. People are all human. Can you build an aircraft for $10-20K that will out perform and be as safe or safer than a 20 year old airplane made by a manufacturer? YES! Just take your time and ask questions, get training and have as much fun building as you will flying. That's the name of the game. Norman > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Mims [SMTP:kr2sflyer@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 12:04 PM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft > > Did I understand that some of you feel that homebuilts > are built better and are more reliable than Pipers and > Cessnas? If that's a correct assumption you guys are > smoking crack! I am not saying that homebuilts are > more dangerous but if your saying build quality is > better I have to disagreed 100%! Spam cans maybe slow > and use old technology but they are VERY well built > and extremely safe. Just because the person who built > the plane isn't planning on flying in it doesn't mean > he will do shoddy work. Give me a break. > > ===== > ........| > .......-^- > ....-/_____\- > ...(O\__o__/O) > ...[#]oxxxo[#] > -----Y2K Bug--- > Yes I drive one! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:06:20 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Safety Message-ID: <78.912d0fb.26cd839c@aol.com> In a message dated 08/17/2000 12:51:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, norm.f.garland@lmco.com writes: << A Properly constructed homebuilt, one that is one that is built using good plans and proper materials/procedures, will be much better than anything built by an assembly line or job shop. >> Hate to start a firestorm here but I'm 100% with Mike Mims on this one. I feel much more secure in my Bonanza than ANY homebuilt I have ever flown in. Let's look at a couple of issues. A factory build aircraft must comply with an assortment of handling requirements dictated by the category in which that aircraft will operate. Homebuilts have absolutely no flight envelope requirements. I could go into requirements for factory built aircraft to such a degree that I could more than cloud the issue but let's look at one requirement. A factory aircraft must demonstrate the ability to function with one flap fully extended and one fully up with the ailerons having enough authority to counter act this arrangement. Does the homebuilt have this requirement, or any other, NO. As for workmanship on the whole, I'll take the factory built any day where I'll really have to look at the homebuilt before I'll sit my butt in it. Am I saying that homebuilts are unsafe...........no. The construction of a factory built is dictated and overseen with a high degree of oversight, is the construction of a homebuilt............... Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:27:36 -0500 To: KR2616TJ@aol.com,krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Safety Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000817162736.0083ae00@mail.midwest.net> At 02:06 PM 8/17/00 EDT, KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 08/17/2000 12:51:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >norm.f.garland@lmco.com writes: ><< A Properly constructed homebuilt, one that is one that is built using good > plans and proper materials/procedures, will be much better than anything > built by an assembly line or job shop. >> ========================================================================= >Hate to start a firestorm here but I'm 100% with Mike Mims on this one. >Dana Overall ====================================================================== I agree with Dana and Mike. The primary considerations here would be proof of design and consistancy of construction. Maintenance , or lack of, can affect both groups of aircraft equally. If this were a game of Russian roulette(sp) with 10 aircraft on the ramp (5 spam cans and 5 homebuilts) and I HAD to fly any five of them, I'd start with the five spam cans ! Will I feel safer in the Tripacer or the KR when it's finished? I'll lean toward the Tripe even though I built the KR and plan to properly maintain each of them. I also plan to fly the he** out of the KR. I'll just be a bit more suspect while doing it!!! Larry Flesner P.S. My wife is keeping a list of my retirement possibilities. Maybe I'll have her add Philosopher to that list !! (ha, ha ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:07:57 EDT To: KR2616TJ@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Safety Message-ID: <61.675219c.26ce028d@aol.com> In a message dated 8/17/00 2:07:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KR2616TJ@aol.com writes: > To start a firestorm The great thing about this discussion group is the amount of intelligent discussion that occurs. Here we go, spam cans-Wichita all but quit building small aircraft because of safety, now there's an argument. Insurance companies dealt the final blow to small plane manufacturing because of the law suits over safety. The singles that are manufactured now cost three times too much. On the safe side of things, the companies build in safety that most home builders can't afford, and have no knowledge of how to do the testing for. Very few aircraft ever crash immediately after manufacture. Some crash because of neglect and others due to carelessness and still others due to operator error. Each example of homebuilding in unique. If all the aircraft built had to conform to the specs of manufactures or designers for material and workmanship there would be the same level of safety. When a problem occurred on wing attach fittings the designer could send out a notice stating this is what is wrong and this is the fix. To build in safety each builder must be strict and not cut corners, or redesign safety out. Home builds crash also. Mostly they crash for the same reasons other aircraft do. Its hard to say, but how many people sell 90% projects because they are suddenly fearful that they must fly their creations. I would bet more then a few. I have known award winning aircraft that have been cut up because the craft scared its owner. I knew another that was dismantled because of a fear laden deal made between a builder and his wife. Hell, I even delayed flying mine for an extra month after signoff, somewhat for fear and somewhat for time to gain courage and confidence in the new plane. The issue is safety. Sometimes we disregard safety and tell ourselves some lie. Ken Rand, he died. Was his plane unsafe? John Denver died trying to bring home his new toy. Was his plane unsafe, or was he untrained? If your glue fails in a 3 G pull out, you could say the plane was unsafe for high G's. Or, was the plane really able to handle 4 G's, just because the literature said so. What tests were done, what tests did you do along the way to ensure your safety. Safety is expensive and time consuming. Some on the side that says "Homebuilts are safe", will sell out when the beads of sweat begin to drop, when it becomes time to leave the safety of Earth. Some will opt for a real airplane (Manufactured), never considering its age, maintenance and the previous owners, who over stressed the craft a few times too many. Some on the side of Spams will secretly cry every time they see a sleek KR doing a 200 MPH fly by and say, what is it? And how fast does it go. Most won't say "That pilots crazy" or "Those things aren't safe," they just wish they could take his place for a few second to see what it really feels like. These are just a few of my thoughts, to throw into an argument about safety and homebuilts. Which ever side you stand on be safe Orma A&P /IA KR builder/driver N110LR aviationmech@aol.com http://members.aol.com/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:56:45 -0500 To: , , From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Safety Message-ID: <002701c009ed$b2a91b20$67e818d0@pavilion> Your right, but unfortunately there is always some jackass who thinks that anyone who has an opinion that is not the same as his is on crack or crazy. Ladies and gents who take part in discussion groups need to understand that other peoples opinion deserves the same respect they expect for their point of view. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:07 PM Subject: Re: KR> Safety > In a message dated 8/17/00 2:07:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KR2616TJ@aol.com > writes: > > > To start a firestorm > The great thing about this discussion group is the amount of intelligent > discussion that occurs. Here we go, spam cans-Wichita all but quit building > small aircraft because of safety, now there's an argument. Insurance > companies dealt the final blow to small plane manufacturing because of the > law suits over safety. The singles that are manufactured now cost three > times too much. On the safe side of things, the companies build in safety > that most home builders can't afford, and have no knowledge of how to do the > testing for. Very few aircraft ever crash immediately after manufacture. > Some crash because of neglect and others due to carelessness and still others > due to operator error. Each example of homebuilding in unique. If all the > aircraft built had to conform to the specs of manufactures or designers for > material and workmanship there would be the same level of safety. When a > problem occurred on wing attach fittings the designer could send out a notice > stating this is what is wrong and this is the fix. To build in safety each > builder must be strict and not cut corners, or redesign safety out. Home > builds crash also. Mostly they crash for the same reasons other aircraft do. > Its hard to say, but how many people sell 90% projects because they are > suddenly fearful that they must fly their creations. I would bet more then a > few. I have known award winning aircraft that have been cut up because the > craft scared its owner. I knew another that was dismantled because of a fear > laden deal made between a builder and his wife. Hell, I even delayed flying > mine for an extra month after signoff, somewhat for fear and somewhat for > time to gain courage and confidence in the new plane. The issue is safety. > Sometimes we disregard safety and tell ourselves some lie. Ken Rand, he > died. Was his plane unsafe? John Denver died trying to bring home his new > toy. Was his plane unsafe, or was he untrained? If your glue fails in a 3 G > pull out, you could say the plane was unsafe for high G's. Or, was the plane > really able to handle 4 G's, just because the literature said so. What tests > were done, what tests did you do along the way to ensure your safety. Safety > is expensive and time consuming. > Some on the side that says "Homebuilts are safe", will sell out when the > beads of sweat begin to drop, when it becomes time to leave the safety of > Earth. Some will opt for a real airplane (Manufactured), never considering > its age, maintenance and the previous owners, who over stressed the craft a > few times too many. > Some on the side of Spams will secretly cry every time they see a sleek KR > doing a 200 MPH fly by and say, what is it? And how fast does it go. Most > won't say "That pilots crazy" or "Those things aren't safe," they just wish > they could take his place for a few second to see what it really feels like. > These are just a few of my thoughts, to throw into an argument about safety > and homebuilts. > Which ever side you stand on be safe > Orma > A&P /IA KR builder/driver N110LR > aviationmech@aol.com > http://members.aol.com/aviationmech > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:43:02 -0700 From: Mike Mims CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Safety Message-ID: <399D6796.AF9BA2D2@home.com> Robert Stone wrote: > > Your right, but unfortunately there is always some jackass who thinks that > anyone who has an opinion that is not the same as his is on crack or crazy. [OPINION a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge b : a generally held view] So someone throws and opinion (a dangerous one) out there that just may influence someone with lesser knowledge and its OK? Give me a break! In the case of opinions concerning the way something looks (paint job, designed shape, etc.), you are completely correct but lets say an opinion about the way a WAF is constructed, materials, size etc. can be dangerous and if someone doesn't point that out we could have a problem here. I have had the benefit of seeing hundreds of homebuilts in the "construction phase" and I am here to tell you some of the builders out there ARE crazy, IE On Crack. Sorry if that offending someone, it was just an opinion of an opinion and those on the list that know me, realize that I like to toss in a little humor now and then. -- __________________ Micheal Mims Not on crack http://explanes.com/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:49:42 -0500 To: , , From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: <000701c0087b$e966c540$3a8caec7@com> RR sells their WAF's for $395.00. I believe TET, Mark & Dr. Dean, WAF's are less than $300.00. Correct me if this is wrong Mark. From looking at Marks fittings they are underpriced compared to RR. I understand the RR fittings leave a lot to be desired. When you get TET fittings they'll be perfect and save you a lot of Tylenol when you attach them. Hope this doesn't stir up to much sh#*. Ed Blocher ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:46 AM Subject: Re: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft > In a message dated 8/17/00 8:41:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > ACMan5548@aol.com writes: > > << I have seen several people on the net saying they purchased projects that > had > aluminum wing attachments. I am wondering if these sellers had made them for > temporary construction use and not intended for flight, (Or I hope not), > until they could get the 1/8" 4130 stock needed. > > The reason I suggest this is, I just started fabricating my wing attachment > hardware. I went to Aircraft Spruce and bought the last peace of 1/8"x1" > 4130 > (needed to cut down to .5") They were totally out of 1/8" x 1 1/2" and have > been out for quite a while and don't know when they will get any more. They > said they are having a hard time finding a source for 1/8" 4130. I also > tried > Wicks and several local steel suppliers no stock. I finally bought a peace > of > 3/16" x 1 1/2" and will machine it down to the correct thickness. > > Bottom line, 1/8" 4130 comes in sheets and no one will shear off a 1 1/2" > strip off a full sheet. I'm committed now but I think buying the fittings > from RR or Langford maybe the thing to do. > > Tony > Mission Viejo, CA >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:22:09 EDT To: LIVD0124@natref.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: SLemke1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: <9a.88535c9.26cdbf91@aol.com> Hello KRNET First time contributer here. I just sent away for my plans for the KR2S but have been planning and listening for sometime. Here is my dilema, I am going to build 2 KR2S at the same time. One for my self and one for my brother who will be helping in construction. He live 500 miles away, so we decided to divide up the work. He could do half were he live and I can do half in my shop. Any Ideas on dividing up the work? wings, avionics, boat, engine? I would appreciate any input from experience builders. Steve Lemke Omaha, Nebraska slemke1@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:22:23 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: SLemke1@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: <3a.9396249.26cdbf9f@aol.com> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:34:07 -0700 To: Mark Langford From: Ross Youngblood CC: KRNet Subject: Re: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: <399C847F.D7B8E107@teleport.com> I talked with a EAA'er many years ago, who indicated that the FAA is mainly interested that the weight of the paperwork equals the weight of the aircraft. Since it is an 'experimental' I think technically, you could use PVC pipe as a material, and tape... although you should probably know if it will handle the stresses... I'm not sure the Designee would sign off on it, but you never know. Thats one reason why I have had multiple Tech Counselors look over my project. Hmmm... I'm about due for another. -- Ross Mark Langford wrote: > >and chunking a set of aluminum waf's as far as I could, I'm > > convinced I saved this guys life buying his project. > > Aluminum WAFs? I believe that takes the cake!!!!!! I have a copy of a > Canadian KR accident report in which the builder used PVC pipe for a > vertical stab spar, among other atrocities. He hadn't bothered to register > it, nor was he anywhere near current, when it crashed killing him and his > son. And some of ya'll think I'M taking chances... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:42:10 -0700 To: ACMan5548@aol.com From: Ross Youngblood CC: LIVD0124@natref.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: <399C8662.34A2F4C8@teleport.com> I made my own wing attach fittings... actually I made enough for three KR's but only one set came out good enough. 4130 is TOUGH stuff. I was fortunate to know someone who had a bit that could make the lightning holes in the big ones. I would recommend to folks that you are TIME ahead in buying the WAF's instead of machining them yourself... it's fun on the first 8 or so, but by number 32 you are wondering if you might buy the set and save having to make two more.... ACMan5548@aol.com wrote: > I have seen several people on the net saying they purchased projects that had > aluminum wing attachments. I am wondering if these sellers had made them for > temporary construction use and not intended for flight, (Or I hope not), > until they could get the 1/8" 4130 stock needed. > > The reason I suggest this is, I just started fabricating my wing attachment > hardware. I went to Aircraft Spruce and bought the last peace of 1/8"x1" 4130 > (needed to cut down to .5") They were totally out of 1/8" x 1 1/2" and have > been out for quite a while and don't know when they will get any more. They > said they are having a hard time finding a source for 1/8" 4130. I also tried > Wicks and several local steel suppliers no stock. I finally bought a peace of > 3/16" x 1 1/2" and will machine it down to the correct thickness. > > Bottom line, 1/8" 4130 comes in sheets and no one will sheet off a 1 1/2" > strip off a full sheet. I'm committed now but I think buying the fittings > from RR or Sangfroid maybe the thing to do. > > Tony > Mission Viejo, CA > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 18:06:13 -0700 To: SLemke1@aol.com From: Ross Youngblood CC: LIVD0124@natref.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: <399C8C04.D4A2D86D@teleport.com> Building up the jigs for the fuselage sides takes time, so I would have one builder construct the fuselage sides, and the other do the wing spars. Once you are setup, you could actually zip out 4 fuselage sides and two sets of wing spars. Also the tail surfaces could be divided and conqured. Then it gets trickier... you may want to each take one aircraft into your garages after that point, and share tools, jigs etc that you come up with. Or, one person could build the fuselage, and the other could construct the engines... I'm not sure how the FAA will look upon this... you might want to chat with the local FSDO, I'm sure that with photos etc, you can demonstrate that you each did 51% or more of the work... -- Ross SLemke1@aol.com wrote: > Hello KRNET > First time contributer here. I just sent away for my plans for the KR2S but > have been planning and listening for sometime. Here is my dilema, I am going > to build 2 KR2S at the same time. One for my self and one for my brother who > will be helping in construction. He live 500 miles away, so we decided to > divide up the work. He could do half were he live and I can do half in my > shop. Any Ideas on dividing up the work? wings, avionics, boat, engine? I > would appreciate any input from experience builders. > > Steve Lemke > Omaha, Nebraska > slemke1@aol.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:21:00 +0200 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: RE: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: <042104686D63D311B51A0000C110B8E4449B41@sasltd06.sasol.com> Here is an easy but cruel solution - You build both and let your brother do the finnishing - thats about 50/50 work Just kidding - just feels that way! On a more serious note: one of you could do all the metal / aluminium work while the other can do the wood work, this will help with tooling as you both won't need all the tools then. Cheers and good luck on your KR's Danny South Africa ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:25:08 +0200 To: From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Cc: KRNet Subject: RE: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: <042104686D63D311B51A0000C110B8E4449B42@sasltd06.sasol.com> Hey guys have you never seen the A-TEAM build an aircraft yet? Duck tape, an old bicycle and the barn door and off you go.......... > -----Original Message----- > From: Ross Youngblood [SMTP:rossy@teleport.com] > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 2:34 AM > To: Mark Langford > Cc: KRNet > Subject: Re: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft > > I talked with a EAA'er many years ago, who indicated that the FAA is > mainly > interested that the weight of the paperwork equals the weight of the > aircraft. > > Since it is an 'experimental' I think technically, you could use PVC pipe > as > a material, and tape... although you should probably know if it will > handle > the > stresses... I'm not sure the Designee would sign off on it, but you never > know. > > Thats one reason why I have had multiple Tech Counselors look over my > project. > Hmmm... I'm about due for another. > > -- Ross > > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > >and chunking a set of aluminum waf's as far as I could, I'm > > > convinced I saved this guys life buying his project. > > > > Aluminum WAFs? I believe that takes the cake!!!!!! I have a copy of a > > Canadian KR accident report in which the builder used PVC pipe for a > > vertical stab spar, among other atrocities. He hadn't bothered to > register > > it, nor was he anywhere near current, when it crashed killing him and > his > > son. And some of ya'll think I'M taking chances... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:54:10 -0300 To: Ross Youngblood , SLemke1@aol.com From: James Sellars Cc: LIVD0124@natref.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000818114905.00a81e00@mail.auracom.com> Ross; I'm looking for a tail wheel assembly, would anyone who may direct me to one please send a post to me direct. I would like to have the thing yesterday, as my assembly is a little unorthodox, the spring steel coming from the back of the plane has a bolt hole connection to it for the yoke into which the tail wheel goes. When the plane is loaded with operating weight it casters back enough to change the turning angle on the assembly rendering it difficult to turn at the best. Anyone have an idea? regards Jim At 06:06 PM 8/17/00 -0700, Ross Youngblood wrote: >Building up the jigs for the fuselage sides takes time, so I would have >one builder construct the fuselage sides, and the other do the wing >spars. Once you are setup, you could actually zip out 4 fuselage sides >and two sets of wing spars. Also the tail surfaces could be divided and >conqured. Then it gets trickier... you may want to each take one >aircraft into your garages after that point, and share tools, jigs etc >that you come up with. > >Or, one person could build the fuselage, and the other could construct >the engines... > >I'm not sure how the FAA will look upon this... you might want to chat >with the local FSDO, I'm sure that with photos etc, you can demonstrate >that you each did 51% or more of the work... > >-- Ross > >SLemke1@aol.com wrote: > > > Hello KRNET > > First time contributer here. I just sent away for my plans for the > KR2S but > > have been planning and listening for sometime. Here is my dilema, I am > going > > to build 2 KR2S at the same time. One for my self and one for my > brother who > > will be helping in construction. He live 500 miles away, so we decided to > > divide up the work. He could do half were he live and I can do half in my > > shop. Any Ideas on dividing up the work? wings, avionics, boat, > engine? I > > would appreciate any input from experience builders. > > > > Steve Lemke > > Omaha, Nebraska > > slemke1@aol.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:56:09 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: shipping Message-ID: Anyone have a ballpark idea of how much it would cost to ship a soob engine from New Hampshire to Tennesee? Rich Parker ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:21:33 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Steven Vitrella" Subject: 1835 VW and Insturments for sale Message-ID: I have an 1835 Hapi conversion VW for sale. It comes with a brand new prop, spinner, engine mount and engine stand. I also have these insturments for sale: ASI, VSI, ALT, Tach, Manifold Press, Accelerometer, EGT/CHT, Ammeter Asking only $1700 for all. Still trying to get rid of it before I go into the military. Questions? 352-379-7673 Steve N. FL ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:20:15 -0700 To: James Sellars From: Ross Youngblood CC: John and Janet Martindale , To post messages to the new KRNet Subject: Sky Smith Message-ID: <399C813E.478109E7@teleport.com> SkySmith International, Ltd. dba SkySmith International Insurance Agency 2525 NW 71st Place Ankeny, Iowa 50021-9048 Voice (515)-289-1439 Fax (773) 326-0690 Email: ins@skysmith.com James Sellars wrote: > Hey Ross; How are you ? I was just talking with Kip Lounsbury in Maine, > he has the great little stock KR-2 ;on retract gear that flies like a > dream,very quick dream at that. He is talking about coming to Moncton, > where I am trying to get up to speed with my KR-2 at the airport. He needs > confirmation of insurance to traverse the border, as he's working away from > his computer this afternoon he asked me to write you about "Scotty" Sky > Smith in Ankeny IOWA, who has his plane insured. Can you put on the net > this fellows phone number so that Kip can call him when he gets home ? Big > story simple solution, hope someone out there can help. Regards Jim. > > At 09:19 AM 8/16/00 -0700, Ross Youngblood wrote: > >John, > > I had the same problem. I cast and re-cast different shapes until I > > got one that gave me > >enough weight, and didn't require too much cutting into the wing, (as I > >had already glassed the > >hole), Can't make it too much longer, as it interferes with the spar. I > >looked at Cessnas and they > >use long thin lead weights on the bottom edge of the aileron. > > > > At any rate I will photograph and put a picture of the shape I used on > > my website this weekend. > > > >I have cast the second weight, but haven't mounted or validated that it is > >large enough. I'm having > >fun working on my IFR rating. I passed the written last June ('99) and > >need to finish before it > >turns into a pumpkin. > > > > -- Regards > > Ross > > > >John and Janet Martindale wrote: > > > > > Hi Folks > > > > > > I've epoxied, bolted and fibreglassed in my aileron aluminium > > counterbalance bracket and now find difficulty mounting sufficient weight > > (about 3 lbs) on it due to the short arm (only 3 inches). If I extend the > > arm further it then interferes with the rear spar as the aileron drops. I > > am also concerned about the resultant stress on the right angle of the > > bracket which cannot be gussetted without interfering with the clearance > > between aileron spar and the wing trailing edge. The bracket is currently > > 2 inches wide. > > > > > > I was wondering whether anyone else had this problem and whether a > > possible solution would be to widen the bracket to say 6 inches but > > reduce its arm. However, this would create more drag when it protrudes > > below the wing planform as the aileron rises, that is, it might upset any > > balance achieved by the designed differential ailerons. Any suggestions > > or experience here would be most welcome. > > > > > > John > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:29:31 -0700 To: Richard Parker From: Ross Youngblood CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Re: insurance Message-ID: <399C836B.53F0E62C@teleport.com> Richard Parker wrote: > I use PICLife. been real happy with them. www.piclife.com > > Do you guys know that your life insurance through work wont cover you in an > experimental or private aircraft? > > Rich Parker My Metropolitan Life insurance coverage will (I believe), as it has been in force for longer than 5 years. Otherwise, I would have had to complete the 'aviation questionare' to get an aviation rider, and when they wanted to increase my coverage a few years back, it turned out that 'suprise', I couldn't be covered... so I told them I'd keep the old policy thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:39:55 -0700 To: marmet From: Ross Youngblood CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Re:Brakes Message-ID: <399C85DA.C14302D5@teleport.com> Marmet, I purchased my Matco brakes several years ago after hearing that a local KR pilot ran off the end of the runway working on the Azusa brakes... I don't know if it was the braking action, or having to use the hand on the pull cable that did it... at any rate I thought that toe brakes would be a good idea. I had to machine a small notch in each of the forks so that the brakes would be positioned "aft". I think I got this idea from Tony Bengilis in one of his books, at any rate, it was a bit of work to cut, and machine a nice spot for them. I then had to manufacture my own spacers out of steel and aluminum rod stock to get the calipers mounted and provide enough clearance. I submitted a drawing to the KRnewsletter at the time. If I can dig it up, I will post it on the web... it was about 88-90 time frame I believe. ** this setup is not yet flying ** -- Regards Ross marmet wrote: > I have a retractable gear KR2 with mechanical brakes (Azusa whells & brakes) > that I would like to change for hydrolic brakes. > I would like to order the parts but there is one thing I would like to know. > Does the disk & caliper still fit in the same fork, or is there any other > changes to be made?. > Maybe some of you have the answer. > Thanks > > J.C, Marcoux > Quebec, CANADA > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 22:06:33 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: rme114@juno.com Subject: Safty Message-ID: <20000817.221251.-3671909.6.rme114@juno.com> Bravo Orma,, Well said !!! Steve ( the "float" guy ) ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 2000 07:41:00 -0700 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Schmidt, Curtis" Subject: WAF Message-ID: <0000DBB5@kaydon.com> Hello all: Some say that there having a hard time getting 4130 for there WAF. If you h= ave access to a catalog called "MSC industrial supply " (most larger machin= e shops have them) They have 4142 hardened, ground and tempered (to a machinable state) 1/8 fl= at stock from 1/2 inch wide to 6 inches in 18 and 36 inch lengths. The 1/8 = x .500 x 18 piece is $11.97 and the 1/8 x 1.500 x 18 piece is $22.15. If you cant find one of there catalogs you can call them at 800-645-7270 th= e part numbers are 06271043(1/8 x .500) and (1/8 x 1.500) 06271126. Someone= there should be able to get them out to you in a couple days ! While I am a tool maker I would still have to recommend that you buy these= fittings from either RR or one of the guys that set up and build several a= t one time. The special tooling That it takes to machine this type of metal (the hardened 4142) is both exp= ensive and hard to find (sometimes) so do yourself a BIG favor, buy them an= d get on with the building process! CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS USA ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 2000 09:27:00 -0700 To: "Tony Clark" , "KR NET (E-mail)" From: "Schmidt, Curtis" Subject: RE: KR> WAF Message-ID: <0000DCEB@kaydon.com> TONY: EDM"S are great little machines---BUT--- for the average JOE, finding someo= ne that has one and is willing to write a program and make the parts for hi= m is cost prohibitive! CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS USA -----Original Message----- From: Tony Clark [SMTP:tclark@abmb.com] Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:05 AM To: cschmidt@kaydon.com Subject: Re: KR> WAF as a machinest, i'm sure you've heard of edm wire line machine......will cu= t the stuff like butter <<< "Schmidt, Curtis" 8/18 7:52a >>> Hello all: Some say that there having a hard time getting 4130 for there WAF. If you h= ave access to a catalog called "MSC industrial supply " (most larger machin= e shops have them) They have 4142 hardened, ground and tempered (to a machinable state) 1/8 fl= at stock from 1/2 inch wide to 6 inches in 18 and 36 inch lengths. The 1/8 = x .500 x 18 piece is $11.97 and the 1/8 x 1.500 x 18 piece is $22.15. If you cant find one of there catalogs you can call them at 800-645-7270 th= e part numbers are 06271043(1/8 x .500) and (1/8 x 1.500) 06271126. Someone= there should be able to get them out to you in a couple days ! While I am a tool maker I would still have to recommend that you buy these= fittings from either RR or one of the guys that set up and build several a= t one time. The special tooling That it takes to machine this type of metal (the hardened 4142) is both exp= ensive and hard to find (sometimes) so do yourself a BIG favor, buy them an= d get on with the building process! CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:36:59 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> WAF Message-ID: <000701c00921$c5143320$58e6a58c@tbe.com> Curtis wrote: > They have 4142 hardened, ground and tempered (to a machinable state) 1/8 flat stock from 1/2... It should be noted that after being machined, the fittings should be heat treated (normalized) to increase their strength to aircraft standards. Otherwise you might end up with fittings that are easily bent by hand. And if you start with the hard stuff (from Wicks or wherever), it is very difficult to machine (as many have discovered)... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 16:40:53 GMT To: cschmidt@kaydon.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> WAF Message-ID: Greetings, Call MSC Industrial Supply at 800-645-7270. Ask and they will send you a catalog. That sucker is 6" thick and a CD-ROM will come with it also. It's full of all kinds of goodies and makes a better 'wish book' than a Sears catalog..... Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC >From: "Schmidt, Curtis" >Reply-To: "Schmidt, Curtis" >To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" >Subject: KR> WAF >Date: 18 Aug 2000 07:41:00 -0700 > >Hello all: >Some say that there having a hard time getting 4130 for there WAF. If you >have access to a catalog called "MSC industrial supply " (most larger >machine shops have them) >They have 4142 hardened, ground and tempered (to a machinable state) 1/8 >flat stock from 1/2 inch wide to 6 inches in 18 and 36 inch lengths. The >1/8 x .500 x 18 piece is $11.97 and the >1/8 x 1.500 x 18 piece is $22.15. >If you cant find one of there catalogs you can call them at 800-645-7270 >the part numbers are 06271043(1/8 x .500) and (1/8 x 1.500) 06271126. >Someone there should be able to >get them out to you in a couple days ! > While I am a tool maker I would still have to recommend that you buy >these fittings from either RR or one of the guys that set up and build >several at one time. The special tooling >That it takes to machine this type of metal (the hardened 4142) is both >expensive and hard to find (sometimes) so do yourself a BIG favor, buy them >and get on with the building process! >CURTIS R SCHMIDT >CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING >LARNED KANSAS USA > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 2000 13:30:00 -0700 To: "KR NET (E-mail)" From: "Schmidt, Curtis" Subject: RE: KR> WAF Message-ID: <0000DED8@kaydon.com> HEY TONY: We don't have woods here in Kansas, its just flat,. I agree with you in the= fact that technology is great! Especially to those of us who do have acces= s to and know how to use it! But hey! If you want to set down and make a few hundred and hand them out for nothin= g--- great ! Stacking or no stacking I still think the average JOE JIM BOB = is better off buying his WAF and saving Themselves the trouble and headache! CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS USA -----Original Message----- From: Tony Clark [SMTP:tclark@abmb.com] Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 1:57 PM To: cschmidt@kaydon.com Subject: RE: KR> WAF not sure what the woods are like where you are, but they're common here....= don't you know that you can STACK metal in an edm....you could cut out a bu= nch with little effort. and programming is just a little harder that impor= ting an autocad file....technology is fine !!!!!!!!!! <<< "Schmidt, Curtis" 8/18 9:30a >>> TONY: EDM"S are great little machines---BUT--- for the average JOE, finding someo= ne that has one and is willing to write a program and make the parts for hi= m is cost prohibitive! CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS USA -----Original Message----- From: Tony Clark [SMTP:tclark@abmb.com] Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:05 AM To: cschmidt@kaydon.com Subject: Re: KR> WAF as a machinest, i'm sure you've heard of edm wire line machine......will cu= t the stuff like butter <<< "Schmidt, Curtis" 8/18 7:52a >>> Hello all: Some say that there having a hard time getting 4130 for there WAF. If you h= ave access to a catalog called "MSC industrial supply " (most larger machin= e shops have them) They have 4142 hardened, ground and tempered (to a machinable state) 1/8 fl= at stock from 1/2 inch wide to 6 inches in 18 and 36 inch lengths. The 1/8 = x .500 x 18 piece is $11.97 and the 1/8 x 1.500 x 18 piece is $22.15. If you cant find one of there catalogs you can call them at 800-645-7270 th= e part numbers are 06271043(1/8 x .500) and (1/8 x 1.500) 06271126. Someone= there should be able to get them out to you in a couple days ! While I am a tool maker I would still have to recommend that you buy these= fittings from either RR or one of the guys that set up and build several a= t one time. The special tooling That it takes to machine this type of metal (the hardened 4142) is both exp= ensive and hard to find (sometimes) so do yourself a BIG favor, buy them an= d get on with the building process! CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 13:41:33 -0500 To: "Schmidt, Curtis" , "KR NET (E-mail)" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> WAF Message-ID: <004701c00943$f01460a0$6686aec7@com> Curtis and all, You are right. My machinest friends who have the latest CNC's on the market don't even want to consider doing them (no charge, of course) but they will machine any other parts for me. Then as Mark Langford says you still got to heat treat them. Since this is Friday maybe TET will tell you what they have and how much. You really need to see their WAF's to appreciate what you are getting. Hope to see all of you at the Gathering. It's get'n close. ----- Original Message ----- From: Schmidt, Curtis To: KR NET (E-mail) Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 3:30 PM Subject: RE: KR> WAF HEY TONY: We don't have woods here in Kansas, its just flat,. I agree with you in the fact that technology is great! Especially to those of us who do have access to and know how to use it! But hey! If you want to set down and make a few hundred and hand them out for nothing--- great ! Stacking or no stacking I still think the average JOE JIM BOB is better off buying his WAF and saving Themselves the trouble and headache! CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS USA -----Original Message----- From: Tony Clark [SMTP:tclark@abmb.com] Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 1:57 PM To: cschmidt@kaydon.com Subject: RE: KR> WAF not sure what the woods are like where you are, but they're common here....don't you know that you can STACK metal in an edm....you could cut out a bunch with little effort. and programming is just a little harder that importing an autocad file....technology is fine !!!!!!!!!! <<< "Schmidt, Curtis" 8/18 9:30a >>> TONY: EDM"S are great little machines---BUT--- for the average JOE, finding someone that has one and is willing to write a program and make the parts for him is cost prohibitive! CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS USA -----Original Message----- From: Tony Clark [SMTP:tclark@abmb.com] Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:05 AM To: cschmidt@kaydon.com Subject: Re: KR> WAF as a machinest, i'm sure you've heard of edm wire line machine......will cut the stuff like butter <<< "Schmidt, Curtis" 8/18 7:52a >>> Hello all: Some say that there having a hard time getting 4130 for there WAF. If you have access to a catalog called "MSC industrial supply " (most larger machine shops have them) They have 4142 hardened, ground and tempered (to a machinable state) 1/8 flat stock from 1/2 inch wide to 6 inches in 18 and 36 inch lengths. The 1/8 x .500 x 18 piece is $11.97 and the 1/8 x 1.500 x 18 piece is $22.15. If you cant find one of there catalogs you can call them at 800-645-7270 the part numbers are 06271043(1/8 x .500) and (1/8 x 1.500) 06271126. Someone there should be able to get them out to you in a couple days ! While I am a tool maker I would still have to recommend that you buy these fittings from either RR or one of the guys that set up and build several at one time. The special tooling That it takes to machine this type of metal (the hardened 4142) is both expensive and hard to find (sometimes) so do yourself a BIG favor, buy them and get on with the building process! CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING LARNED KANSAS USA --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:25:14 -0400 To: corvaircraft@usm.edu From: David Mullins CC: krnet Subject: Re: corvaircraft: Engine Isolators Message-ID: <399D555A.7EEEB876@ici.net> I found a set of just the urethane end link bushings at my local Pep Boys for $8. Addco part #609D (Deep ruby red color) Addco Industries, Lake park, Florida My local Speed Shop ordered me a set of Energy Suspension End Link Bushings For about the same price. I believe these are the correct part numbers. I don't have them right in front of me at this moment. Part #8130B Blue #8130Y Yellow They also come in red, orange and black All are sized for a 3/8" bolt, a 5/8" nipple, and a 1" OD. The Addco ones have a cone shape to the top of them and the Energy Suspension ones have a rounded top. http://www.energysuspension.com/ http://www.addco.net/ Dave M Nashua, New Hampshire David Stroud wrote: > > ===============================CorvAIRCRAFT=============================== > Subject: Re: corvaircraft: Engine Isolators > > >Dave, Do you have a UAP Automotive store near by. If so I can give you > >a part number for some very cheap (shock bushings) like less than a dollar. > >But you will have to ream them out a lithe, which is no problem with a > small > >die grinder. > > > >Wayne Grimes > > Yup..what's the number please..thanks. > > Dave Stroud > L 16 B replica (Christavia) > C-FDWS Ottawa, Canada > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:03:20 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> Re: corvaircraft: Engine Isolators Message-ID: I picked up some nice little urethane bushings for $2 a pair at my local skateboard shop. Ask for "truck bushings" They come in various durometers and "groooovy" colors. When you tell them you are using them in an airplane they'll tell you that your are "Rad" or "Fat" or whatever the cool term is. Rich Parker (skateboardless for many years now) >I found a set of just the urethane end link bushings at my local Pep >Boys for $8. > >Addco part #609D (Deep ruby red color) Addco Industries, Lake park, >Florida > >My local Speed Shop ordered me a set of Energy Suspension End Link >Bushings >For about the same price. I believe these are the correct part numbers. >I don't have them right in front of me at this moment. > >Part #8130B Blue > #8130Y Yellow > >They also come in red, orange and black > >All are sized for a 3/8" bolt, a 5/8" nipple, and a 1" OD. The Addco >ones have a >cone shape to the top of them and the Energy Suspension ones have a >rounded top. > >http://www.energysuspension.com/ > >http://www.addco.net/ > >Dave M >Nashua, New Hampshire > > >David Stroud wrote: > > > > >===============================CorvAIRCRAFT=============================== > > Subject: Re: corvaircraft: Engine Isolators > > > > >Dave, Do you have a UAP Automotive store near by. If so I can give >you > > >a part number for some very cheap (shock bushings) like less than a >dollar. > > >But you will have to ream them out a lithe, which is no problem with a > > small > > >die grinder. > > > > > >Wayne Grimes > > > > Yup..what's the number please..thanks. > > > > Dave Stroud > > L 16 B replica (Christavia) > > C-FDWS Ottawa, Canada > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:25:29 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: John Subject: webpage update/progress Message-Id: <00081809262901.00808@Y2krsoob> progress... I glued down the turtledeck, added the bulkhead behind pilot's head and covered it with fabric I got at the upholstery place. Ran out of epoxy, ordered some more from AS&S on webpage Saturday. They finally got around to shipping it Wednesday. Funny thing that. I ordered it Saturday thinking I'd have it by this weekend. . . . I sent my exhaust and turbo housing off to Jet-Hot coatings for 2000 degree blue. Should have it back late next week or last week of August, will snap some pictures then too. Changed the main photo, and added 3 photos - click on 'Tail' button on the left - and they're under heading '...added 8/17/00" -- John Los Alamos NM jeb@thuntek.net http://www.thuntek.net/~jeb/krpage.htm ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************