From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 24 Aug 2000 02:20:04 -0000 Issue 79 Date: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 6:20 PM krnet Digest 24 Aug 2000 02:20:04 -0000 Issue 79 Topics (messages 1754 through 1783): Re: Plastic for layups 1754 by: Steven Eberhart 2000 gathering 1755 by: Dave Vieira 1756 by: Mark Langford 1757 by: Richard Parker 1758 by: Mark Langford 1762 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com 1763 by: larry flesner 1764 by: Edwin Blocher 1767 by: John Roffey Old but like new, 0-time 2100cc Revmaster 1759 by: william d morrison 1760 by: Mike Mims anybody need a shoulder harness reel? 1761 by: DONAN5.aol.com Re: knock sensors 1765 by: Mark Langford spam cans 1766 by: w.g. kirkland Beer? 1768 by: Mark Langford Re: canopy front hinge placement 1769 by: Chris Gardiner 1770 by: Chris Gardiner kr2forsale 1771 by: MLWCRW.aol.com Help Quick Please 1772 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) 1775 by: Cary Honeywell gathering 1773 by: Richard Parker Shop Vac report 1774 by: Mark Langford 1776 by: Richard Parker 1777 by: Doug 1778 by: Bob Smith 1779 by: Garland, Norm F 1780 by: Ronald R. Eason 1782 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER Web addresses 1781 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com Any dirty airplanes??? Also Toe brakes for sale Also shoulder harnesses 1783 by: DONAN5.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:43:26 -0500 (CDT) To: EagleGator@aol.com From: Steven Eberhart cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Plastic for layups Message-ID: Rick, THe easy solution is to use "Visqueen" (sp?) get it from Lowes or Home Depot. Mark Langford demonstrated the technique at the Gathering last year. Draw the part dimensions on the visqueen in magic marker. Cut your glass a little oversize and place on the visqueen. Pour on the epoxy and cover with a top sheet of visqueen. Using your squeege work the epoxy into the glass. When all saturated peel off the top layer of visqueen and use the bottom layer as your mold release against the foam mold. Next cover with a layer of peel ply (1.7 oz uncertified Ceconite from Wicks) followed by the breather felt (the stuff quilt makers use for batting inside of quilts) then the vacuum bag, which can be another layer of thin visqueen. Hook up your refrigerator compresser that you have modified for use as a vacuum pump, or borrow mine, draw a vacuum and wait for the mess to setup. Peel off the batting and peel ply and you have a molded part. THis is how I will be making the skins for the stabilator on my BX-2. You can modify this method by putting a foam layer, that was cut when you hot wired the mold on the epoxied glass and put an inner layer of glass on the foam core to form a sandwich then vacuum bag the whole thing. Another variation is to vacuum bag the outer skin like in #1 above. When cured the inner surface with epoxy and place a layer of nomex honeycomb on the glass then put on an inner skin of glass or carbon fiber like in #2 above then vacuum bag. THis gives you honeycomb skins. If you are interrested in this technique I have a video from Fibre Glassed Composites, Inc. That details the process. Email with any questions. Steve On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 EagleGator@aol.com wrote: > Oh keepers of the ark of composite construction knowledge: > > I want to use a combination of the Langford and Eberhart layup techniques to > make the skins for my stub wings, and I need to get some plastic to put on > the foam molds to serve as a barrier/release medium. What kind of plastic do > I need to use, and where do I get it? Thanks in advance for the help. > > OK, the pane glass thing worked GREAT, thanks to all who responded. I didn't > try the RainX, however, because I was making skins for my vertical stabilizer > and didn't want the problem of possibly painting over silicon -- which would > have turned out to be the case. Three coats of quality paste wax worked > beatifully, and the second skin is curing as I type. I'm going to try the > RainX with some pieces that won't need paint, as it would be much quicker > than the paste wax. > > A funny thing happened when I moved the stick in my airplane tonight before I > came in from the garage -- the elevator moved, and even in the right > direction! That's two nights in a row of measurable progress, and I have the > plan for tomorrow night's work. I think I'm back in the saddle. > > Cheers, > Rick Junkin, St. Charles MO > EagleGator@aol.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com THE WING FLIES! - http://www.newtech.com/nlf for info on the new, flight tested, KRnet/UIUC airfoils. Good job KRnet, you can be proud of your contribution to Sport Aviation. Special thanks to Dr. Ashok Gopalarathnam and Dr. Michael Selig for some great Sport Aviation airfoils. One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author All information, in any of my aircraft related correspondence, is strictly food for thought requiring additional, qualified, engineering analysis. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:20:08 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Dave Vieira Subject: 2000 gathering Message-ID: <20000822172008.3859.qmail@web1002.mail.yahoo.com> Hey, Just a question, will it cost extra to park my plane there? ===== Dave Vieira Ontario, Canada __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:57:20 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> 2000 gathering Message-ID: <001201c00c62$6bd23340$58e6a58c@tbe.com> > Just a question, will it cost extra to park my plane > there? Not a dime, during the Gathering anyway. Probably never, since it's a State Park facility, but I'm just guessing... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:42:24 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> 2000 gathering Message-ID: > > Just a question, will it cost extra to park my plane > > there? It might cost you a couple of rides. but I'm sure people would be willing to share expenses. :-) Rich Parker ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:04:16 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> 2000 gathering Message-ID: <001a01c00c6b$c5938fb0$58e6a58c@tbe.com> I had three people email me privately about where the Gathering was going to be, so here's three birds with one stone, found on my web page (listed below)... The "Official" 2000 KR Gathering will be at Lake Barkley State Park in far western Kentucky on the twin lakes. The dates are Friday, September 22 and Saturday the 23d, but some folks will show up on Thursday to get things set up. The phone number for reservations is 1-800-325-1708. Since the Park is booked up, you'll probably have to find a room somewhere in Cadiz, Kentucky. Dana Overall is hosting the affair this year. You can expect about 15-25 KR aircraft to fly in for the Gathering, depending on weather. This is THE place to put your hand on real KR aircraft so don't miss it! Most everybody that wants a ride in one gets it. You won't likely forget it soon either. We will once again have dinner catered Friday evening along with lunch on Saturday. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:38:17 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> 2000 gathering Message-ID: <7a.950678f.26d45ad9@aol.com> In a message dated 08/22/2000 1:20:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave172c@yahoo.com writes: << Just a question, will it cost extra to park my plane there? >> There is no cost to park your airplane at the airport. For those of you who fly in, in something other than a KR, please continue on to end of the ramp and park in the grass. The concrete ramp is reserved for nothing but KRs. See ya there, Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:15:33 -0500 To: KR2616TJ@aol.com,krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> 2000 gathering Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000822181533.00843100@mail.midwest.net> ========================================================================= >There is no cost to park your airplane at the airport. For those of you who >fly in, in something other than a KR, please continue on to end of the ramp >and park in the grass. The concrete ramp is reserved for nothing but KRs. > >Dana Overall >2000 KR Gathering host ===================================================================== Those flying in to the gathering would be wise to bring their own tie-downs and ropes. Even those on the ramp may need ropes. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:18:07 -0500 To: , , "larry flesner" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> 2000 gathering Message-ID: <002c01c00c8f$3c949140$888daec7@com> And if you bring your own tie downs be sure you can drive them into rocks. The screw in type won't work as several can attest to from last year. ED ----- Original Message ----- From: larry flesner To: ; Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 6:15 PM Subject: Re: KR> 2000 gathering > ========================================================================= > >There is no cost to park your airplane at the airport. For those of you who > >fly in, in something other than a KR, please continue on to end of the ramp > >and park in the grass. The concrete ramp is reserved for nothing but KRs. > > > >Dana Overall > >2000 KR Gathering host > ===================================================================== > > Those flying in to the gathering would be wise to bring their own > tie-downs and ropes. Even those on the ramp may need ropes. > > Larry Flesner > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:16:57 -0500 To: larry flesner From: John Roffey CC: KR2616TJ@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> 2000 gathering Message-ID: <39A34229.90595137@tir.com> larry flesner wrote: > ========================================================================= > > > Those flying in to the gathering would be wise to bring their own > tie-downs and ropes. Even those on the ramp may need ropes. > > Larry Flesner > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org Bring a diamond drill and a one horse drill motor too. The place is solid rock. I didn't have much luck with my screw in tie downs last year. John Roffey jeroffey@tir.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:16:35 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: william d morrison Subject: Old but like new, 0-time 2100cc Revmaster Message-ID: <20000822.171636.-297607.0.liteflyer50@juno.com> Greetings to everyone This is my first time up to bat so to speak, so I'll try to keep it simple and to the point. I just purchased a 2100cc Revmaster Engine that has never been installed on an airplane, was created, new from the factory, in 1982. The motor is complete, and is ready to install, except that it needs a plane to go on. That may be a KR2-S, or the new Sonnex, I haven't made my choice yet. Regardless, I plan to bring the engine up to todays flight standards, and go from the high compression 64hp. motor to the 75hp. med. compression engine. Also, i would like to do away with the Bendix D-2000 mag. and go with a single mag, with impulse coupling, and some form of electronic secondary ignition. The motor was to originally have gone on a Q2. Any help, regarding the updating of this engine, will be greatly appreciated. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:37:23 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> Old but like new, 0-time 2100cc Revmaster Message-ID: <20000822213723.17161.qmail@web1404.mail.yahoo.com> --- william d morrison wrote: > Any help, regarding the updating of this engine, > will be greatly > appreciated. Thanks > Contact Revmaster 760.244.3074 and give them the serial number. It is possible you might have to replace the crank shaft too. Some of the engines from the late 70s had cast cranks in them. Otherwise you have a great little engine. ===== ........| .......-^- ....-/_____\- ...(O\__o__/O) ...[#]oxxxo[#] -----Y2K Bug--- Yes I drive one! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:18:24 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: DONAN5@aol.com Subject: anybody need a shoulder harness reel? Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=413589166 Shoulder harness reel on Ebay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 19:08:23 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> knock sensors Message-ID: <07c701c00c96$40d4a7c0$a5f780ce@300emachine> > I'm looking for a source for a knock sensor set up i can put on my subaru > EA81. I responded to this one already, but forgot that I have a link to another knock sensor ( http://www.american-pi.com/safegard.html ) on my Corvair page ( http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/ ). This guy will make you one for whatever you want to put it on... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:19:32 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "w.g. kirkland" Subject: spam cans Message-ID: <002701c00ca8$939aab00$c8905bd1@kirkland> ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C00C87.0BB678C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My 1960 cessna 150 has 12000 hrs and is on it's sixth engine. My insurer = lets any licenced pilot fly it without increasing my premium. If it = isn't safe I don't know what is! W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C00C87.0BB678C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:17:07 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Beer? Message-ID: <07e901c00ca8$3c93eba0$a5f780ce@300emachine> Somebody mentioned beer (at least that's my story and I'm stickin' to it). Last year at the Gathering I took the right seat out of the Scirocco and brought an iced down keg of beer (which I should mention, Troy helped pay for too). While we didn't advertise it's existence, we didn't keep it a secret either, and we still managed to finish it off Saturday afternoon (and Troy didn't even get a SIP!). I'm pretty sure that the ensuing expedition to Rick Junkin's place that night (where, it was rumored, there was plenty of beer) was purely a coincidence. My point is that since I didn't go to jail last year, this year I might as well bring two kegs, and broadcast (now the back seat's coming out too). So here's the message. We'll have beer (maybe in the back of Dr. Dean's truck again). All I ask is that you contribute a little something to help defray costs. Not necessarily a dollar every time you grab a cup, but something, sometime, to be determined. We just about went broke driving to get ice every few hours last year. This might be a good time to bring up the need for a Port-o-potty. I know if I was the guy that lives at the FBO, I'd rather not have 150 people each trooping to the bathroom every few hours. And there were the occasional log jams. I'll bet the FBO guy would be happy to arrange that for us. I sincerely hope that NEXT year, I won't have room in the KR for a keg of beer, so somebody else will have to volunteer to take up my slack for me... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:09:24 -0400 To: Bob Smith From: Chris Gardiner CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> canopy front hinge placement Message-ID: <39A33254.52A62375@netcom.ca> Bob, I was also very apprehensive of mounting my KR2S canopy on the back side of the fuel header tank . However I did it exactly as per the KR2S supplement instructions using 10 layers of 7781 etc, and it is SOLID ! I wouldn't have believed it but it is strong and looks great. Regards Chris Gardiner C-GKRZ 90% KR2S Bob Smith wrote: > > HELP! > My dragonfly forward-hinged canopy setup has turned into my biggest headache so far, so I could use some design suggestions. > > I don't like the idea of using the upper aft fuel tank wall as a mounting bulkhead for 2 canopy hinges since there will be lots of stress on this when the canopy is open and you can't put bolts throught a fuel tank. > > I'd really like to hinge the canopy very close to the fuselage longerons to gain strength and a wide stance but I can't figure out how to do it with a normal fuel tank. If I try to keep the hinge axis low near the longerons it must be moved far forward (about 5 inches) in order to let the canopy frame rotate upwards....and I can't move it forward since the fuel tank is there. > > Anyone have any magical solutions? > > Bob Smith, Albany, NY KR2S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:09:24 -0400 To: Bob Smith From: Chris Gardiner CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> canopy front hinge placement Message-ID: <39A33254.52A62375@netcom.ca> Bob, I was also very apprehensive of mounting my KR2S canopy on the back side of the fuel header tank . However I did it exactly as per the KR2S supplement instructions using 10 layers of 7781 etc, and it is SOLID ! I wouldn't have believed it but it is strong and looks great. Regards Chris Gardiner C-GKRZ 90% KR2S Bob Smith wrote: > > HELP! > My dragonfly forward-hinged canopy setup has turned into my biggest headache so far, so I could use some design suggestions. > > I don't like the idea of using the upper aft fuel tank wall as a mounting bulkhead for 2 canopy hinges since there will be lots of stress on this when the canopy is open and you can't put bolts throught a fuel tank. > > I'd really like to hinge the canopy very close to the fuselage longerons to gain strength and a wide stance but I can't figure out how to do it with a normal fuel tank. If I try to keep the hinge axis low near the longerons it must be moved far forward (about 5 inches) in order to let the canopy frame rotate upwards....and I can't move it forward since the fuel tank is there. > > Anyone have any magical solutions? > > Bob Smith, Albany, NY KR2S ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:44:17 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: MLWCRW@aol.com Subject: kr2forsale Message-ID: There is a KR2 project for sale in the St Louis area. The boat is built, the turtle deck is on , the wings are built, the motor mount is there, as is the cowling, it is on retract's , the owner is asking 1300.00 but I'm sure will take an offer. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:25:54 +0200 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: Help Quick Please Message-ID: <042104686D63D311B51A0000C110B8E4449B4A@sasltd06.sasol.com> What is the AS&S part number for the aileron piano hinge? Danny South Africa ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:39:46 -0400 To: "Livingstone, Danny \(DJ\)" , From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: Re: KR> Help Quick Please Message-ID: <002101c00cff$37f830e0$0205a8c0@server1> "A0U T0F 5T0cK" would be appropriate based on comments here. - Cary - -Cary Honeywell - Ottawa Ontario Canada caryh@home.com ve3ev@rac.ca Home page http://24.112.208.98/ KR2 area http://24.112.208.98/kr2/kr2.shtml ----- Original Message ----- From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 2:25 AM Subject: KR> Help Quick Please > What is the AS&S part number for the aileron piano hinge? > > Danny > South Africa > > > > > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. > ********************************************************************** > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:16:01 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: gathering Message-ID: The Port-o-potty is a good idea. We should look into renting one. (or maybe 2 if the same caterers will be providing lunch) Rich Parker >From: "Mark Langford" >Reply-To: "Mark Langford" >To: >Subject: KR> Beer? >Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:17:07 -0500 > >Somebody mentioned beer (at least that's my story and I'm stickin' to it). >Last year at the Gathering I took the right seat out of the Scirocco and >brought an iced down keg of beer (which I should mention, Troy helped pay >for too). While we didn't advertise it's existence, we didn't keep it a >secret either, and we still managed to finish it off Saturday afternoon >(and >Troy didn't even get a SIP!). I'm pretty sure that the ensuing expedition >to Rick Junkin's place that night (where, it was rumored, there was plenty >of beer) was purely a coincidence. > >My point is that since I didn't go to jail last year, this year I might as >well bring two kegs, and broadcast (now the back seat's coming out too). >So >here's the message. We'll have beer (maybe in the back of Dr. Dean's truck >again). All I ask is that you contribute a little something to help defray >costs. Not necessarily a dollar every time you grab a cup, but something, >sometime, to be determined. We just about went broke driving to get ice >every few hours last year. > >This might be a good time to bring up the need for a Port-o-potty. I know >if I was the guy that lives at the FBO, I'd rather not have 150 people each >trooping to the bathroom every few hours. And there were the occasional >log >jams. I'll bet the FBO guy would be happy to arrange that for us. > >I sincerely hope that NEXT year, I won't have room in the KR for a keg of >beer, so somebody else will have to volunteer to take up my slack for me... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 07:27:09 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Shop Vac report Message-ID: <001501c00cfd$75be5140$58e6a58c@tbe.com> VacuumHeads, The results are in! 6 votes for Craftsman shop vacs, 2 for Shop Vac, and absolutely zero for any other. My favorite comments were, "prepare to be saved", "the only thing the Genie does well is convert electricity to sound", and "if I lived where my shop vac lives, I'd send you a picture of it". So I bought a hundred dollar 5.5 hp Craftsman which came with a free a "fine powder" filter, and it is far quieter and much more powerful than the Genie. I vacuumed up a bunch of carbon fiber dust last night and could see no evidence of anything floating in the air. Somehow I just KNEW I shouldn't have to wear a dust mask or see lots of urethane dust particles floating around while vacuuming with the Genie. Thanks for the feedback... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:06:32 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> Shop Vac report Message-ID: I have a shop vac and my biggest bi*ch about the model I have is that I cant attach peice of tubing to it to vent it outside. The outlet is all the way around under the top. Rich Parker > >VacuumHeads, > >The results are in! 6 votes for Craftsman shop vacs, 2 for Shop Vac, and >absolutely zero for any other. My favorite comments were, "prepare to be >saved", "the only thing the Genie does well is convert electricity to >sound", and "if I lived where my shop vac lives, I'd send you a picture of >it". > >So I bought a hundred dollar 5.5 hp Craftsman which came with a free a >"fine >powder" filter, and it is far quieter and much more powerful than the >Genie. >I vacuumed up a bunch of carbon fiber dust last night and could see no >evidence of anything floating in the air. Somehow I just KNEW I shouldn't >have to wear a dust mask or see lots of urethane dust particles floating >around while vacuuming with the Genie. Thanks for the feedback... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 08:51:51 -0500 To: From: "Doug" Subject: Re: KR> Shop Vac report Message-ID: <002c01c00d09$4ac0f400$a77492ce@infolink.net> maybe I'm not too late.Doug "Copied from Marvin Kayes website. Hope it's ok." http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/ click 'lancair project' then click 'shop' and about 2/3 down page. Keeping the dust down This is a view into the container of my shopvac,(go to url aboveand click the two buttons) to which I've made a slight modification to help keep the dust at bay in the shop. Shopvacs typically use a multi-stage filter around the motor, starting with a layer of foam, then a cloth bag followed by a paper filter element. I've found that even with all that filtration the very fine dust that results from sanding fiberglass components still manages to make its way through. And if it doesn't, it clogs those filters so quickly that it almost makes the vac a worthless device by drastically limiting the available suction . What I've done here is cut the shoulder away from the inlet and attached a 2" PVC pipe elbow and a 2" PVC drop tube that reaches to within 1.5 inches of the bottom of the canister. For filtration I use only the foam filter and about 3 inches of water in the bottom of the canister, and to keep everything smelling clean I add about an ounce of laundry bleach to the water. No dust ever gets past the water, the suction is completely unrestricted, and all I need to do is dump it and rinse it out about once a week (depending on the amount of sanding being done.) Beats the heck out of pumping all that dust around the shop. (If you decide to do this, my only admonition would be that you don't cement any of the PVC components, just use a friction fit to hold everything together... this way when you suck up your favorite pencil there's a way to get it out of the drop tube. Additionally, be sure to check the dimension of your inlet, as it may be something other than 2". Taking the cutoff shoulder from the inlet on that shopping trip to the building supply store will insure you get an elbow that fits perfectly. ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:51:26 -0700 To: "Mark Langford" , From: "Bob Smith" Subject: Re: KR> Shop Vac report Message-ID: <002a01c00d3b$85ece3e0$a9911918@nycap.rr.com> Remember that the most dangerous (respirable) particles are too small to be normally seen in the air, and too small to be trapped by almost any filter. One day the sun was beaming into my house family room and I couldn't believe how many particles I could see in the air that otherwise looked completely clean. Now that you guys have me thinking about this, I'm going to run an exit vent from my shopvac to the outdoors. This dust can be nasty stuff. Bob Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Langford To: Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:27 AM Subject: KR> Shop Vac report > VacuumHeads, > > The results are in! 6 votes for Craftsman shop vacs, 2 for Shop Vac, and > absolutely zero for any other. My favorite comments were, "prepare to be > saved", "the only thing the Genie does well is convert electricity to > sound", and "if I lived where my shop vac lives, I'd send you a picture of > it". > > So I bought a hundred dollar 5.5 hp Craftsman which came with a free a "fine > powder" filter, and it is far quieter and much more powerful than the Genie. > I vacuumed up a bunch of carbon fiber dust last night and could see no > evidence of anything floating in the air. Somehow I just KNEW I shouldn't > have to wear a dust mask or see lots of urethane dust particles floating > around while vacuuming with the Genie. Thanks for the feedback... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:06:31 -0400 To: "'Bob Smith'" , Mark Langford , krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Garland, Norm F" Subject: RE: KR> Shop Vac report Message-id: <613309F30B6DD2118C020000F809376C0559B33F@emss03m09.orl.lmco.com> Why don't you just put the vacum outside and run the suction tube into the work area? Norman F. Garland Jr. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Smith [SMTP:rsmith5@nycap.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 3:51 PM > To: Mark Langford; krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> Shop Vac report > > Remember that the most dangerous (respirable) particles are too small to > be > normally seen in the air, and too small to be trapped by almost any > filter. > > One day the sun was beaming into my house family room and I couldn't > believe > how many particles I could see in the air that otherwise looked completely > clean. > > Now that you guys have me thinking about this, I'm going to run an exit > vent > from my shopvac to the outdoors. This dust can be nasty stuff. > > Bob Smith > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Langford > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:27 AM > Subject: KR> Shop Vac report > > > > VacuumHeads, > > > > The results are in! 6 votes for Craftsman shop vacs, 2 for Shop Vac, > and > > absolutely zero for any other. My favorite comments were, "prepare to > be > > saved", "the only thing the Genie does well is convert electricity to > > sound", and "if I lived where my shop vac lives, I'd send you a picture > of > > it". > > > > So I bought a hundred dollar 5.5 hp Craftsman which came with a free a > "fine > > powder" filter, and it is far quieter and much more powerful than the > Genie. > > I vacuumed up a bunch of carbon fiber dust last night and could see no > > evidence of anything floating in the air. Somehow I just KNEW I > shouldn't > > have to wear a dust mask or see lots of urethane dust particles floating > > around while vacuuming with the Genie. Thanks for the feedback... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:32:29 -0500 To: "Bob Smith" , "Mark Langford" , From: "Ronald R. Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Shop Vac report Message-ID: <001501c00d28$1ee745e0$677239ce@winbook> Let not over react to this I've been working in this environment for 30 years, not every day but allot of time. I realize some people are more sensitive but let relax and enjoy or work. KRron -----Original Message----- From: Bob Smith To: Mark Langford ; krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:56 AM Subject: Re: KR> Shop Vac report >Remember that the most dangerous (respirable) particles are too small to be >normally seen in the air, and too small to be trapped by almost any filter. > >One day the sun was beaming into my house family room and I couldn't believe >how many particles I could see in the air that otherwise looked completely >clean. > >Now that you guys have me thinking about this, I'm going to run an exit vent >from my shopvac to the outdoors. This dust can be nasty stuff. > >Bob Smith > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark Langford >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:27 AM >Subject: KR> Shop Vac report > > >> VacuumHeads, >> >> The results are in! 6 votes for Craftsman shop vacs, 2 for Shop Vac, and >> absolutely zero for any other. My favorite comments were, "prepare to be >> saved", "the only thing the Genie does well is convert electricity to >> sound", and "if I lived where my shop vac lives, I'd send you a picture of >> it". >> >> So I bought a hundred dollar 5.5 hp Craftsman which came with a free a >"fine >> powder" filter, and it is far quieter and much more powerful than the >Genie. >> I vacuumed up a bunch of carbon fiber dust last night and could see no >> evidence of anything floating in the air. Somehow I just KNEW I shouldn't >> have to wear a dust mask or see lots of urethane dust particles floating >> around while vacuuming with the Genie. Thanks for the feedback... >> >> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >> mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >> see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:06:19 -0400 To: "Garland, Norm F" , "'Bob Smith'" , "Mark Langford" , From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Shop Vac report Message-ID: Too simple for the KR Team :0) Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com Why don't you just put the vacum outside and run the suction tube into the work area? Norman F. Garland Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:45:30 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Web addresses Message-ID: They may not be KR but they're still cool. http://lightning.pwr.eng.osaka-u.ac.jp/lrg/temp/plane.html www.aeroplanner.com Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:19:29 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: DONAN5@aol.com Subject: Any dirty airplanes??? Also Toe brakes for sale Also shoulder harnesses Message-ID: <4c.9837bb2.26d5e031@aol.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=411995319 I cornered the market on this stuff but it is not moving I will let it go for a Dollar a can if anybody is interested thanks You can only clean a sonerai only so many times... and I have plenty thanks Don S Also I have two sets of brake pedals set up for toe brakes if there is any interest these too are for salehttp://donan5.tripod.com/rudder_pedals_toe_brakes.JPG thanks $35 per set and I have two sets Oh yeah have a few shoulder harnesses for sale these are multipoint with retract reels email back if any inerest thanks ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************